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On October 25 2012 18:30 da0ud wrote: EBWOP : How would you already know I am town ?
I don't know already if you are town or not. I've spoken too fast because I was thinking of our last game where you were town. It was a slip, but not a scumslip
Regarding Roco, I understand your hunch but he reminds me your first weird posts last game. He is suspicious but he doesn't deserve red bold font yet imo ^^
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@daoud
What do you think about Ini ?
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On October 25 2012 18:40 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 18:30 da0ud wrote: EBWOP : How would you already know I am town ? I don't know already if you are town or not. I've spoken too fast because I was thinking of our last game where you were town. It was a slip, but not a scumslip Regarding Roco, I understand your hunch but he reminds me your first weird posts last game. He is suspicious but he doesn't deserve red bold font yet imo ^^
@everyone
Please find in my quote the reasons why I called daoud town. It was a slip, I admit it, but it is in no way a scum slip. I'm ok to answer more questions about it if you are not satisfied.
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@sylver
Please answer my question regarding your question "what is your favorite role ?" I really want to understand your motivations for asking such a question.
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On October 25 2012 22:15 sylverfyre wrote: Let me also be clear: Opposing a policy and opposing the specific instance of a policy being enacted are two entirely different things. Just because I'm not opposed to Lynch a Lurker doesn't mean I think we should invoke it automatically. But if we were closer to lynch time, and Ini and Roco still only had the posts they have... I'd vote for one of them. By not responding adequately to accusations made against you, you give the town very little to work with.
I don't really agree with debears vote on rad, but I think debears is playing an aggressive game, which is clean to me.
@sylver
Would you prefer lynch Ini or Roco today ?
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As for now, the only guy I would like to lynch right now is Inig.
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On October 25 2012 21:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Just woke up fella's, have a few moments to read this over and give my thoughts. In the name of brevity, I'll keep it short. On Debears-Rad incident: Debears came out of the gate swinging; reminiscent of DP from the last newbie game. Personally, I don't like this style of hot-headed pursuit, but it can work. However, I feel the reasons he's giving for Rad being suspicious are ill-founded. There is all this talk of confidence and policy lynching, and everything seems to be a matter of personal opinion rather than a role shining through to the exterior. There may be something there in what Debears has concluded, but I cannot be sure of my opinion of Rad at this time. I'd much rather vote for a lurker atm because the evidence is just not there. Djodref: I find him to be exceedingly odd. I first thought his initial comment of my "serious policy lynching" to be weird, but with his recent two posts I find him suspicous. Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote:I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town How do you know he's town??? Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote:On October 25 2012 17:57 Roco69 wrote: @djodref
To keep it simple, "lurker policy on D1" seems to be a well known and basic strategy so I will do the exact opposite,=>so I will never be suspected.
@RocoI have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ? Are you mafia ? Why would you specifically ask someone about them being mafia. What do you hope to accomplish??? I find these two statements to be suspicious as hell. ##FOS DjodrefI'll be back in about 6 hours, after my classes.
@Cheese
Calling daoud town was a slip, I've already explained it. Regarding you and your "serious policy lynching", I have asked you a question and your answer satisfied me. I don't think you are 100% for a policy lynch anymore. I misinterpreted your post. Regarding my question "are you mafia?", this is a very uncomfortable question to ask to a mafia player, believe me or not. They have to lie to answer such a question and this is the best way to pressure them imo. So I want to see Roco reaction to this question. I'm not expecting him to admit that he is mafia. I'm going to gauge his reaction to this question in comparison to my own experience as a mafia player.
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On October 25 2012 22:48 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 22:43 Djodref wrote: As for now, the only guy I would like to lynch right now is Inig. On what do you base that? All I see is he made no contributions. So did other people. Some didn't even post yet. If it's what he said, why do you see him as scummier than Roco? Because I don't, so I'd like to know where this is coming from.
@dandel
When I see the 2 posts from Roco, I see a total newbie. But he has some ideas which make him stand out. I would expect a total scum newbie to not post at all or trying to blend in. Posting this kind of weird posts lead me to think that he has no team (i.e. no experienced scummates) or that they don't check him or that he doesn't use his coach. Moreover, he has only two posts.
At the other hand, Inig has 4 posts where he says basically nothing about his own mind. He is not interacting with anyone, he is just posting here for the sake of posting. I would expect scum to produce this kind of posts rather than the very suspicious posts from Roco.
Anyways, I have to hear more from the both players to take any decision. As for now, my FoS is on Inig
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On October 25 2012 22:59 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 22:52 Djodref wrote:On October 25 2012 21:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Just woke up fella's, have a few moments to read this over and give my thoughts. In the name of brevity, I'll keep it short. On Debears-Rad incident: Debears came out of the gate swinging; reminiscent of DP from the last newbie game. Personally, I don't like this style of hot-headed pursuit, but it can work. However, I feel the reasons he's giving for Rad being suspicious are ill-founded. There is all this talk of confidence and policy lynching, and everything seems to be a matter of personal opinion rather than a role shining through to the exterior. There may be something there in what Debears has concluded, but I cannot be sure of my opinion of Rad at this time. I'd much rather vote for a lurker atm because the evidence is just not there. Djodref: I find him to be exceedingly odd. I first thought his initial comment of my "serious policy lynching" to be weird, but with his recent two posts I find him suspicous. On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote:I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town How do you know he's town??? On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote:On October 25 2012 17:57 Roco69 wrote: @djodref
To keep it simple, "lurker policy on D1" seems to be a well known and basic strategy so I will do the exact opposite,=>so I will never be suspected.
@RocoI have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ? Are you mafia ? Why would you specifically ask someone about them being mafia. What do you hope to accomplish??? I find these two statements to be suspicious as hell. ##FOS DjodrefI'll be back in about 6 hours, after my classes. @CheeseCalling daoud town was a slip, I've already explained it. Regarding you and your "serious policy lynching", I have asked you a question and your answer satisfied me. I don't think you are 100% for a policy lynch anymore. I misinterpreted your post. Regarding my question "are you mafia?", this is a very uncomfortable question to ask to a mafia player, believe me or not. They have to lie to answer such a question and this is the best way to pressure them imo. So I want to see Roco reaction to this question. I'm not expecting him to admit that he is mafia. I'm going to gauge his reaction to this question in comparison to my own experience as a mafia player. Uuuuh Not really. You just say "no" as an answer. That's the 'correct' answer for both alignments. I'd imagine you won't be able to interpret much out of those 2 letters. I know in a post yesterday I semi-seriously pressured Roco to answer that same question, but as I just said, semi-seriously. You seem to really think that's a good strategy, lol.
@dandel
I've just played a game as a mafia player and the most difficult thing I had to answer to was
"why do you think you are not going to be targeted tonight ?"
I had a very strong case written against me at one time. But rather than this dead-on case (from mementoss if you want to read our Looney Lynching game), this only simple question has made my whole mentality crumbled.
I know everybody is going to say "lol, no, I'm not mafia". But my question is psychological warfare ^^
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Guys, for the last time, calling daoud town was a slip. In the same sentence, I was referring to the last game we have played together where he was town. I should have had something like "in the case you are town" at the end of my sentence by I have taken the shortcut.
If you think that this a serious scumslip, you are wrong.
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EBWOP: but I have taken the shortcut. I have no idea if daoud is town or not.
The guys I am really interested in atm are Inig, Rad, Roco and the lurkers
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On October 25 2012 23:12 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 23:06 Djodref wrote:On October 25 2012 22:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 25 2012 22:52 Djodref wrote:On October 25 2012 21:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Just woke up fella's, have a few moments to read this over and give my thoughts. In the name of brevity, I'll keep it short. On Debears-Rad incident: Debears came out of the gate swinging; reminiscent of DP from the last newbie game. Personally, I don't like this style of hot-headed pursuit, but it can work. However, I feel the reasons he's giving for Rad being suspicious are ill-founded. There is all this talk of confidence and policy lynching, and everything seems to be a matter of personal opinion rather than a role shining through to the exterior. There may be something there in what Debears has concluded, but I cannot be sure of my opinion of Rad at this time. I'd much rather vote for a lurker atm because the evidence is just not there. Djodref: I find him to be exceedingly odd. I first thought his initial comment of my "serious policy lynching" to be weird, but with his recent two posts I find him suspicous. On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote:I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town How do you know he's town??? On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote:On October 25 2012 17:57 Roco69 wrote: @djodref
To keep it simple, "lurker policy on D1" seems to be a well known and basic strategy so I will do the exact opposite,=>so I will never be suspected.
@RocoI have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ? Are you mafia ? Why would you specifically ask someone about them being mafia. What do you hope to accomplish??? I find these two statements to be suspicious as hell. ##FOS DjodrefI'll be back in about 6 hours, after my classes. @CheeseCalling daoud town was a slip, I've already explained it. Regarding you and your "serious policy lynching", I have asked you a question and your answer satisfied me. I don't think you are 100% for a policy lynch anymore. I misinterpreted your post. Regarding my question "are you mafia?", this is a very uncomfortable question to ask to a mafia player, believe me or not. They have to lie to answer such a question and this is the best way to pressure them imo. So I want to see Roco reaction to this question. I'm not expecting him to admit that he is mafia. I'm going to gauge his reaction to this question in comparison to my own experience as a mafia player. Uuuuh Not really. You just say "no" as an answer. That's the 'correct' answer for both alignments. I'd imagine you won't be able to interpret much out of those 2 letters. I know in a post yesterday I semi-seriously pressured Roco to answer that same question, but as I just said, semi-seriously. You seem to really think that's a good strategy, lol. @dandelI've just played a game as a mafia player and the most difficult thing I had to answer to was "why do you think you are not going to be targeted tonight ?" I had a very strong case written against me at one time. But rather than this dead-on case (from mementoss if you want to read our Looney Lynching game), this only simple question has made my whole mentality crumbled. I know everybody is going to say "lol, no, I'm not mafia". But my question is psychological warfare ^^ That's a different situation and a different question.. Most importantly, it's not a question you can just wave off with a "no". It's one that requires an answer with reasoning and logic. It's a decent question to ask. "are u scum" can be answered in a word, non-commitically. I don't think it's a good question. But I'm starting to argue semantics....
@dandel
Yeah, it's not exactly the same kind of question but I don't think you can freely wave it off as scum. If you have to lie, it makes you uncomfortable. If you are uncomfortable, you are going to post some shit.
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@debears
If you are around, I would like to know what do you think about Inig first posts.
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I did not find your answer sufficient. I don't like when people are talking about roles in general. Why did you mention the roles in your question ?
Moreover, I don't think you can answer this question with zero games or three games on forums which is the case for almost all of us. I had the chance to experience more roles but I think I need to roll them again to be sure. So, to really answer your question, I would say: - My game as cop was fun but I have played the newbie card too much and people didn't take my seriously... - My game as mafia pardoner was fun but it was very stressful when people got suspicious of me and I've felt bad at the end seeing some townies so desperate to be mislynched (I'm serious thrawn ). Plus I don't think I won because I was particularly brilliant, I think I won because people didn't manage to consider me as a possible scum.
My problem with your question is that it is irrelevant in this game and it is possible for you to check the sensibility of the players for roles. I don't believe you would ask such a question (loaded question from your own words) for the only sake of discussing. If you are town, you want to discuss to promote a good atmosphere and mainly scumhunting. Please tell me how such a question helps you to find the mafia players. If it doesn't help to find the mafia, I encourage you to start scumhunting in a more direct way
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@sylver
I don't care about who hasn't posted right now. I want to know what info you were expecting to get by asking your question.
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@Rad
Are you saying than debears and me are in the scumteam ? Why don't you vote one of us ?
Could you explain your slip ?
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On October 26 2012 00:25 Alsn wrote: All right, here I am again. First things first, Dandel asked me about lurker policy. I think that it's a potent tool in order to pressure scum into participating. Scum slips are nice and all, but if there's no pressure there's less chance of one happening. That being said in general I feel that lurker lynching is at the very best a ~25% chance of catching scum(random chance), policy or no. Generally I've gotten the feeling that lurkers don't lurk for strategic reasons, but because something pulled them away from the game and that's definitely something which can happen to anyone.
With regards to other policy, what would that be, exactly? I'm all in favour of logical policy lynching. If an argument can be made that town benefits from it I'm all for it(see my thoughts on kush from my first few posts last game if you're interested in an example of why I think so). There's no player in this game that warrants such a lynch though, unless we are talking behavioural policy, but I'm not really familiar with any example of that so I would have to address such policy on a case by case basis.
A few things stood out to me when I skimmed through the thread earlier today and I'll be posting some of my comments on what has actually happened so far over the course of the evening.
@Alsn
Roco did not raise your attention ? In my opinion, he could be lynched if we respect a no posting nonsense policy. Looking forward your next posts
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On October 26 2012 00:30 debears wrote:@Djo Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 23:18 Djodref wrote:On October 25 2012 23:12 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 25 2012 23:06 Djodref wrote:On October 25 2012 22:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 25 2012 22:52 Djodref wrote:On October 25 2012 21:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Just woke up fella's, have a few moments to read this over and give my thoughts. In the name of brevity, I'll keep it short. On Debears-Rad incident: Debears came out of the gate swinging; reminiscent of DP from the last newbie game. Personally, I don't like this style of hot-headed pursuit, but it can work. However, I feel the reasons he's giving for Rad being suspicious are ill-founded. There is all this talk of confidence and policy lynching, and everything seems to be a matter of personal opinion rather than a role shining through to the exterior. There may be something there in what Debears has concluded, but I cannot be sure of my opinion of Rad at this time. I'd much rather vote for a lurker atm because the evidence is just not there. Djodref: I find him to be exceedingly odd. I first thought his initial comment of my "serious policy lynching" to be weird, but with his recent two posts I find him suspicous. On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote:I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town How do you know he's town??? On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote:On October 25 2012 17:57 Roco69 wrote: @djodref
To keep it simple, "lurker policy on D1" seems to be a well known and basic strategy so I will do the exact opposite,=>so I will never be suspected.
@RocoI have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ? Are you mafia ? Why would you specifically ask someone about them being mafia. What do you hope to accomplish??? I find these two statements to be suspicious as hell. ##FOS DjodrefI'll be back in about 6 hours, after my classes. @CheeseCalling daoud town was a slip, I've already explained it. Regarding you and your "serious policy lynching", I have asked you a question and your answer satisfied me. I don't think you are 100% for a policy lynch anymore. I misinterpreted your post. Regarding my question "are you mafia?", this is a very uncomfortable question to ask to a mafia player, believe me or not. They have to lie to answer such a question and this is the best way to pressure them imo. So I want to see Roco reaction to this question. I'm not expecting him to admit that he is mafia. I'm going to gauge his reaction to this question in comparison to my own experience as a mafia player. Uuuuh Not really. You just say "no" as an answer. That's the 'correct' answer for both alignments. I'd imagine you won't be able to interpret much out of those 2 letters. I know in a post yesterday I semi-seriously pressured Roco to answer that same question, but as I just said, semi-seriously. You seem to really think that's a good strategy, lol. @dandelI've just played a game as a mafia player and the most difficult thing I had to answer to was "why do you think you are not going to be targeted tonight ?" I had a very strong case written against me at one time. But rather than this dead-on case (from mementoss if you want to read our Looney Lynching game), this only simple question has made my whole mentality crumbled. I know everybody is going to say "lol, no, I'm not mafia". But my question is psychological warfare ^^ That's a different situation and a different question.. Most importantly, it's not a question you can just wave off with a "no". It's one that requires an answer with reasoning and logic. It's a decent question to ask. "are u scum" can be answered in a word, non-commitically. I don't think it's a good question. But I'm starting to argue semantics.... @dandelYeah, it's not exactly the same kind of question but I don't think you can freely wave it off as scum. If you have to lie, it makes you uncomfortable. If you are uncomfortable, you are going to post some shit. Why did you ask the question? The answer is pretty obvious as town or scum You'd say "I'm town" no matter what. The question was useless and you know it. There is no real reaction that can be read from a question like that. It's not a big lie if the person is mafia by any means. I don't like that. It makes you look like you are contributing without actually doing so
@debears
I believe it would make mafia uncomfortable, no matter if it is easy to answer or not. I don't think it's too easy because I've also asked him another relevant question with this one. I was also interested to see who was going to pick it up. I'm expecting town players to read the thread more carefully than mafia players (I didn't even read twice the thread in the Looney Lynching game even if I was pretending to do so) and to jump on this kind of thing.
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On October 25 2012 15:27 Inigmaticalism wrote:I have a thought regarding the Rad-Debears argument, over the whole 'confidence' thing. Its possible Im wrong, but it seems that Rad views the world in a more 'logical' way, meaning that in this case (playing mafia) having sound logic and scum reads will naturally result in confidence from said logic. Debears may happen to be more 'emotional', in this case where having a strong will/confidence allows for people like him (and me) to be very logical when there is a strong emotional base beneath them. You've both brought up the pros and cons about each type of viewpoint, so it should be beneficial if you guys watch out for each other. It seems you've both explained what you meant fairly well, and Im especially glad to see this post from you Rad cause I was getting slightly worried. Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 14:11 Rad wrote: EBWOP - I also agree that there's no point in lynching a lurker over a clear scum read. That's not what I said originally but is what he's trying to make it seem like I said. Ha just saw you summed up my analysis for me: Show nested quote +You're pushing for "have confidence, the scum will show" while I'm pushing for "find the scum, if you're confident push it, otherwise we should lynch lurker". That stance seems completely reasonable to me. Does it not to you? @ sylver You seem fairly energetic. Also, don't really think "What's your favorite role to play in mafia?" keeps us all that focused on scum hunting, but as it may be some clever scheme of yours Ill bite.
......Well actually I won't because I realized I was typing how I play the game. How clever. Loaded question indeed.
@Inig
How can you seriously find sylver energetic ? Why don't you want to share with us how you play the game (I mean this game) ?
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@sylver
I've explained why I've answered this question ("are you mafia") already. Could you please re-read my filter and tell me if you are satisfied or not with my explanations ?
I don't care if I look clean or not, my principal concern is to find the mafia. And, for your information, I'm not tunneling you, just putting you under some pressure. The only player I have a FoS on is Inig as for now.
I'm accepting your explanations and I would like you to tell us what you think about Inig. I'm insisting on him because mafia players have this tendency to semi-lurk while looking like they contribute.
Regarding Rad, I'm trusting debears to take care of him right now ^^ I'm following their exchanges with great interest.
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