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On January 03 2013 08:39 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 08:37 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 03 2013 08:34 kushm4sta wrote:On January 03 2013 08:33 iamperfection wrote:On January 03 2013 08:27 kushm4sta wrote: @iamp I didn't run away im lurking. do you feel like commenting on anything or do you plan on being useless? no to both ##Vote: kushm4staThis guy... let me give you some insight into kush. he says retarded things all the time regardless of alignment (regardless of being in game or not really). Change your mind at all? The game just started, and I'm perfectly okay with swapping my vote later on.
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On January 03 2013 08:40 yamato77 wrote: Outspoken player =/= scum. Palmar is overly active and has good reasons for the policy lynch.
Marv you know better so you starting this Palmar is scum stuff is fishy. How is a blind WBG lynch a good reason for policy lynch? Or did I miss something?
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On January 03 2013 07:13 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote lazermonkey Yo k4sh, apparently you voted me(in voting thread that is) without mentioning it at all, care to explain?
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Leaning town on yamato.
No scum in their right minds would defend Palmars troll vote on WBG. It would be standard scum-getting-free-townie-points play by dismissing it.
With that said, I think his logic is bad.
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On January 03 2013 08:55 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 08:54 Lazermonkey wrote: Leaning town on yamato.
No scum in their right minds would defend Palmars troll vote on WBG. It would be standard scum-getting-free-townie-points play by dismissing it.
With that said, I think his logic is bad. What if wbg was scum. Well, the lynch on WBG isn't serious at all. If we are lynching WBG, surely we aren't doing it because Palmar wants to RNG kill him, right? So I don't think it would make any sense what so ever to defend him even if their both are scum. It would be much better just not to mention it/attack him.
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Tunekeg: You keep complaining about bad town play, however you haven't given ONE SINGLE read yet. You have one post were you give some null reads or w/eOn January 03 2013 08:33 Tunkeg wrote: You can lean whatever the fuck you want iam...
Also Palmar is either being stupid or fishing for reactions. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar, that one is easy. Even though Palmar experienced the catastrophy that was WBG's last game, he won't lynch WBG for policy as town. Why even bother to say all this when it's clearly not adding anything.
Most of your other posts are basically you shouting at several players calling them bad. Calling out players for bad logic is good. But only as a complement to scum hunting. Right now you are demoralizing the thread by calling everyone bad. This is bad.
Leaning scum on you bro.
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On January 03 2013 09:29 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:19 Lazermonkey wrote:Tunekeg: You keep complaining about bad town play, however you haven't given ONE SINGLE read yet. You have one post were you give some null reads or w/e On January 03 2013 08:33 Tunkeg wrote: You can lean whatever the fuck you want iam...
Also Palmar is either being stupid or fishing for reactions. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar, that one is easy. Even though Palmar experienced the catastrophy that was WBG's last game, he won't lynch WBG for policy as town. Why even bother to say all this when it's clearly not adding anything. Most of your other posts are basically you shouting at several players calling them bad. Calling out players for bad logic is good. But only as a complement to scum hunting. Right now you are demoralizing the thread by calling everyone bad. This is bad. Leaning scum on you bro. Again lean whereever you want. Alot of easily insulted townies tend to call me scum, because it is easier then actually dealing with me. There isn't much to read in to just yet. Except the fact that what Palmar is doing isn't what he is doing when he puts his serious town game face on. Also my posts are far more usefull than your own. You leaning town on yamato at this point is so very care. And besides that you have just tried to justify a policy lynch on grush and posting a stupid gif. Leaning NOTHING on you BRO! Good jobb at posting a post where you don't really say anything but OMGUS at me. So Palmar isn't playing his normal game. Does it make him scum/town? If you cannot decide, is this really relevant information?
Yes, I am aware of that there isn't much to read but instead of trying to analyse the little info that exist you spend all your time to throw rocks at everyone who are trying to.
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On January 03 2013 09:36 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:28 Toadesstern wrote:On January 03 2013 09:22 Tunkeg wrote:On January 03 2013 09:17 yamato77 wrote:On January 03 2013 09:12 Tunkeg wrote:On January 03 2013 09:08 yamato77 wrote: Marv I understand now.
As for actual scum, I think hopeless looks pretty bad right now. Toad pointed the post out earlier and I think he's been pretty useless despite not wanting us all to waste time.
I have to go so that's my thought on the game for now. Be back later with some updated ideas. You think hopeless looks pretty bad now? For not wanting the thread to waste time on a silly policy lynch? Line up the reasons. Don't just spit this out, without any reasons behind it. What ewxactly is scummy about it. Please explain... It was a pointless post. All he says is "guys stop wasting time." And now he's gone, being useless. He hasn't said anything meaningful himself. Cognitive dissonance, if you will. Like pretty much all the posts in this game thus far. He then stated pretty clearly that he is not interested in any policy lynches besides a lynch lurker policy. If his posting thus far make him look pretty bad, I wonder how you scale things, because really, this little information on him is in my book not even enough to be leaning one way or the other.I don't like these types of FOS'es at all. well it's d1. 1 and a half hour into the day. Of course it's incredibly slim. We could all be holding hands and put things this way: "I've got some very minor thing about you, if it isn't to bothersome to read and all" but that's not going to accomplish anything. People are exaggerating early on d1 because there's little we've got. The alternative would be not posting, because what you found are only very minor things and wait for more posts. Clearly you'll see the flaw in the 2nd method if everyone thinks that way. No need to read too much into everything like this Hopeless dude claiming I'm already setting up the lynch for d2,[irony] which obviously has to be the case here [/irony] :p I'd actually prefer people not posting, than posting exaggerated reads. Sure put on some pressure, analyse whats being said, but don't just post bullshit like Player A is 100% scum because he said he likes kittens. It is just nonsensical bullshit, and it shits up the thread. Your logic is quite terrible. If everyone would think like this, there would be nothing to analyze.
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On January 03 2013 09:36 kushm4sta wrote: lazer I had my vote on you for a terrible reason but I didn't have anyone else to put it on at the time.
Now i'm going to move it to hopeless because his posts look really weird for obvious reasons people have already said. Can you, using your own words, explain exactly why Hopeless deserves your vote. His posts being wierd doesn't necessarilly make him scum btw. Explain why or unvote him.
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On January 03 2013 09:44 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:37 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 03 2013 09:29 Tunkeg wrote:On January 03 2013 09:19 Lazermonkey wrote:Tunekeg: You keep complaining about bad town play, however you haven't given ONE SINGLE read yet. You have one post were you give some null reads or w/e On January 03 2013 08:33 Tunkeg wrote: You can lean whatever the fuck you want iam...
Also Palmar is either being stupid or fishing for reactions. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar, that one is easy. Even though Palmar experienced the catastrophy that was WBG's last game, he won't lynch WBG for policy as town. Why even bother to say all this when it's clearly not adding anything. Most of your other posts are basically you shouting at several players calling them bad. Calling out players for bad logic is good. But only as a complement to scum hunting. Right now you are demoralizing the thread by calling everyone bad. This is bad. Leaning scum on you bro. Again lean whereever you want. Alot of easily insulted townies tend to call me scum, because it is easier then actually dealing with me. There isn't much to read in to just yet. Except the fact that what Palmar is doing isn't what he is doing when he puts his serious town game face on. Also my posts are far more usefull than your own. You leaning town on yamato at this point is so very care. And besides that you have just tried to justify a policy lynch on grush and posting a stupid gif. Leaning NOTHING on you BRO! Good jobb at posting a post where you don't really say anything but OMGUS at me. So Palmar isn't playing his normal game. Does it make him scum/town? If you cannot decide, is this really relevant information? Yes, I am aware of that there isn't much to read but instead of trying to analyse the little info that exist you spend all your time to throw rocks at everyone who are trying to. I am not OMGUS'ing you, I am just saying you have contributed as little, if not less than myself, and that you are throwing stones in a glasshouse. If I were to OMGUS you I would just call you stupid. But I am not sure if you are atm (Want to rack that up as a scumtell on me as well, huh, huh?) You saying that your posting this far is either equal good or better than mine would be an OMGUS imo. I call you out for only calling everyone bad. I say that this is harming town, at least if it is the only thing that you are doing. You keep on doing it, dispite not saying that you disagree with my point. Does that mean that you disagree with me? I don't know. You instead opt to attack me rather than the point I made against you.
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Owell, I will go to bed now. Will vote Tunkeg for the time being tho it is subject to change.
##Unvote ##Vote: Tunkeg
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Just woke up, anyone still awake in the US and A?
I read through the thread quickly once and I must say hopeless looks bad. He has a scum read on Palmar, tho not willing to9 lynch him. And like Toad pointed out earlier, the way he is reacting to post just doesn't make alot of sense to me. In a bad way.I feel he is overreacting quite a bit to this which reminds me of an old game were he basically did the same thing as scum. Hapa wrote a two paragraph response to some guy and Hopeless jumped up and told us how Hapa were writing a big case and what not, when it clearly wasn't what happend.On January 03 2013 12:25 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 11:45 yamato77 wrote:On January 03 2013 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 11:38 yamato77 wrote: What does anything these good mafia players say in the early game mean?
They basically just post to post. The only alignment indicative things they do in the game is lynch people. Or rather, try to lynch townies. This post is useless, quite like your suspicions against me. What would you like to hear from me yamato? Do you have any thoughts about the game that don't involve policy lynches? yeah, palmar looks more like scum to me than town, but again, not willing to lynch into him. Toad also looks scummy because he's spewing nonsense and then telling me I'm dumb for taking him even remotely seriously. In the event that I manage to get lynched, he plays the "guys it was Day 1 I was just joking around" card. Toad's last post isn't particularly alignment indicative, and while a nice sentiment (no town reads), it ultimately lends more to my confirmation bias that he isn't actually helping town this game, he`s just posting and being active. why are you already talking about what might happen if you end up being lynched. Seriously that is a weird post you just did. You're telling me I'm setting up a d2 lynch (which I wasn't lol, not even setting up a d1 lynch yet) and now you get in here telling people that if you get lynched (why?) I'm playing some kind of card? That's the most backwards posting I've ever seen. I also never said you're dumb, I told you that I got a problem with one line of your posts and that you need to chill out after you got all mad at me for pointing that out. Should I not have mentioned it instead? What should my approach should have been? Ignore it? And seriously don't make it look like I'm insulting you because I'm not. I haven't insulted anyone in this game besides bugs.
Will also do a quick meta check on tunkeg to see if he always plays like this. I may consider swapping my vote then.
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Tunkegs latest game is Hero mini mafia. He hasn't played scum even once which makes harder to use meta on him I guess. Still, checking if his meta is similar to Hero MM could help us a tiny bit.
Okay, ableit being a little bit more dicky this game I must say Tunkeg's play is looking somewhat close to what it did in Hero MM. While he isn't very active early on, almost every post in early D1 was him questioning other players. Players in that game is even calling him out for not giving any reads. That reminds me of something... Oh, he isn't giving us any reads in this game either!
While I don't agree with his way of playing, I don't think it's very alignment indicative anymore.
##Unvote ##Vote: hopeless1der
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On January 03 2013 18:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar your Bugs lynch not going anywhere bro. Check out that OP Tunkeg wagon it spawned tho! What are YOUR opinion about Tunkeg, VE? You have mentioned him quite a few times but yet provided your own thoughts on the matter.
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Randomly lynching still sucks tho. Sure, on avarage it gives us 24,6% instead if 21,1% to hit the right person, however, what do we do next? It's cool to lynch scum. but if we don't, we will more or less have wasted D1. There will be no way of analyzing vote patterns or w/e. The extra 3,5% doesn't make up for the fact that a random lynch doesn't give us anything to work with on the comming day.
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Palmar, you honestly don't have any scum reads what so ever? You've been fast to dissmiss all of the wagons this far yet not providing your own alternatives. WBG does not count for obvious reasons...
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On January 03 2013 20:01 Vivax wrote: @ Lazer
You know that Hoelessrider saw the OMGUS vote by Kush on you at the start of the game? How do you see him calling Kush out about that as a scum move? It's like he actually cared about that vote on you.
Now Kush admitted that it was a stupid vote on Lazer, so I can see a townie motivation behind Hoe noticing that vote O.o. I missed that. Though I don't see it as alignment indicative really. There were never a case or wagon on me so kush's vote were just bad in every single aspect so I think it woud hurt scum in any matter. hopeless didn't call him out as scum tho. He simply said:
On January 03 2013 07:14 Hopeless1der wrote: really kush? he calls you a troll so you ninja omgus lazer? Which I take as more of a ''U suck'' than ''U scum''.
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On January 03 2013 20:13 Vivax wrote: @ Supersoft
07:11 - You ask Lazer if he'd vote WBG 07:30 - You say bugs lynch isn't gonna happen anyway. 07:59 - You'd like to lynch MZ (why?)
I kinda have trouble in seeing your motivations here. Like, why asking 07:11 when you know 07:30? Then randomly 07:59? While I agree that this is strange, scum shouldn't really do things like this either. Also, in case you are wondering why he'd like to kill MZ, read his filter. He have been trolling/useless/etc the whole game so far.
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On January 03 2013 20:35 Vivax wrote: Like, having a scumread on Palmar but not wanting to lynch him. And (over)reacting to accusations.Although the (over) is subject to interpretation.
What about him calling out strange votes, defending Bugs? Being called out by Toad for calling out the Bugs lynching policy? Toad voted for Bugs together with Palmar. Toad calls the guy out opposing their duo.
You have to weigh in the townie points as well. Why would a scum hopeless question the legendary, infallible, bearded majesty of Eyafjallajokull Palmar this early, assuming that Palmar is town (which should be your current assumption)?
We all know that IF we are going to lynch bugs it's not because of Palmar's/Toad's idea of how town WBG is crap and scum WBG is good thus it's always good to lynch WBG policy. Town knows this, scum knows this. I cannot emphasize stupid a scum would be if he sincerely would try to lynch WBG based upon this. Like in a serious way. Not in a Toad's semi-trolling way.
When you say that he is calling out strange votes(the ones on WBG and Kush's vote on me)its more like he is calling out unserious votes. Wagons that isn't going to result in a lynch, at least not given the information we have now.
So, to summarize a bit, I don't really see these things as townie points TBH. Why? Because you cannot just look how much sense they make from town PoV but also from scum PoV. Calling out strange votes + attacking Palmar can very well give him credit as scum. Thus it all comes down to WIFOM. And thus its a null tell.
Things I hold against Hopeless 1.His reaction here
On January 03 2013 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 11:45 yamato77 wrote:On January 03 2013 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 11:38 yamato77 wrote: What does anything these good mafia players say in the early game mean?
They basically just post to post. The only alignment indicative things they do in the game is lynch people. Or rather, try to lynch townies. This post is useless, quite like your suspicions against me. What would you like to hear from me yamato? Do you have any thoughts about the game that don't involve policy lynches? yeah, palmar looks more like scum to me than town, but again, not willing to lynch into him. Toad also looks scummy because he's spewing nonsense and then telling me I'm dumb for taking him even remotely seriously. In the event that I manage to get lynched, he plays the "guys it was Day 1 I was just joking around" card. Toad's last post isn't particularly alignment indicative, and while a nice sentiment (no town reads), it ultimately lends more to my confirmation bias that he isn't actually helping town this game, he`s just posting and being active. 2. The fact that he has posted quite a bit but yet taken a strong stance anywhere.
I have a hard time seeing how town Hopeless would react in such a way, while I can see several reasons for scum Hopeless to do so.
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On January 03 2013 21:28 supersoft wrote: i want to lynch you - like i already said - because i highly doubt that you think i am scum, and now you're straight up lying to me. Worst reason for voting someone ever. If you truly would look townie, there is a slim chance scum would push you, no? Think of it, why in the world would they then push you out of the 29 players they have to chose from? yet Vivax is pushing you. The most logical conclusion would be something like:
a). You aren't looking very townie, in which case Vivax could be scum or townie b). You are looking very townie, in which case its much more likely that he is town than scum.
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