On January 11 2013 15:35 kushm4sta wrote:
I guess it's up to me to find the scumteam now?
I guess it's up to me to find the scumteam now?
Debears, Hiro, RoL, thrawn and some other guy I guess
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On January 11 2013 15:35 kushm4sta wrote: I guess it's up to me to find the scumteam now? Debears, Hiro, RoL, thrawn and some other guy I guess | ||
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On January 11 2013 15:39 kushm4sta wrote: wait a second we lose now right? 13 players 8 town/5 scum scum kill 3 5 town/5scum gg? Aren't we 14 right now ? | ||
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On January 11 2013 15:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2013 15:45 kushm4sta wrote: No we still lose actually. 14 players 9 town 5 scum -scum kills 3 town 11 players 6 town 5 scum -town lynches scum 10 players 6 town 4 scum -scum kills 2 town 8 players 4 town 4 scum gg? 4 tow Yeah, uh? Did kurumi say when he would get back? I kind of don't want to read and scum hunt if game is mathematically lost already. It's not like you would have done anything anyway... | ||
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On January 11 2013 15:56 Clarity_nl wrote: You're not counting night actions This ! It ain't over till it's over ! | ||
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On January 11 2013 16:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Basically we need a save or a kill tonight/next night, and we need to lynch scum the next two lynches to get to lylo where scum has 1 kp Who do you think is scum then ? | ||
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On January 11 2013 16:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2013 15:56 Djodref wrote: On January 11 2013 15:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On January 11 2013 15:45 kushm4sta wrote: No we still lose actually. 14 players 9 town 5 scum -scum kills 3 town 11 players 6 town 5 scum -town lynches scum 10 players 6 town 4 scum -scum kills 2 town 8 players 4 town 4 scum gg? 4 tow Yeah, uh? Did kurumi say when he would get back? I kind of don't want to read and scum hunt if game is mathematically lost already. It's not like you would have done anything anyway... No hard feelings, I'm just calling you scum ^^ | ||
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debears I think he has pretty much claimed scum in the thread. Since my case against him + Show Spoiler [for reference] + On January 09 2013 12:22 Djodref wrote: Debears the OMGUS way Here are the main reasons why debears is scum
Part I --- Fake contributions First of all, please remember debears idea of a random lynch. Did he push this idea ? Not really... Did he really think it through ? No, because he came up with statistics supporting a random lynch, when they are actually against a random lynch in our case. Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 14:13 debears wrote: On January 03 2013 14:10 Adam4167 wrote: On January 03 2013 13:53 debears wrote: On January 03 2013 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote: besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy. 2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? 1) I am not fine with lynching at random. I am not fine with lynching alphabetically I am not fine with lynching by forum post count I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers 2) Piss off On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Merry Christmas TL Mafia! Over the past 9 months, I've been going back through old games and putting together a mafia database. For each game, I have a record containing game details, the players to have played each game, their roles, and the whether they were lynched, killed, etc. I've put together a TL Mafia Library record for each game (excluding the summary/analysis). I may end up merging this entire post with the library sticky if I'm able to have access to the library account. Additionally, there is a list for each player for all the games they have played, their roles, and links to their filters. Hopefully this will come in handy for people who want an easy way to look for a game where player X was mafia or had a certain role. Finally, I put together a few fun statistics. Special thanks to Meapak, Dirkzor, VisceraEyes, layabout and Marv for their help! Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one. Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time. 44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game. There have been 931 distinct mafia players. Care to elaborate on what you're trying to imply here? Should be pretty clear. Random lynching is more successful than actual trying to lynch a scum by scumreads d1. You can't diss random lynching Show nested quote + On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: *snip* Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one. Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time. 44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game. There have been 931 distinct mafia players. If debears was really thinking at a random lynch for our game, he would have noticed that our chances to hit mafia with a random lynch were at 20%, which is even less that the global average of 21.1%. The fact that he didn't really pay attention to what he was proposing and that he didn't follow it through at all shows that he didn't want to do a random lynch in the first place. This contribution is totally fake, just a nice way to enter the thread for a scum player. Another example is here. Debears put up an act with Chezinu and made several posts of jokes and stuff about it. In here, you can see that he quickly identified Palmar and iamp as masons. Maybe a little too quickly for a town player in my taste. Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 08:32 debears wrote: Btw Iamp what are you guys calling your society? Is it still the Circle of Superfriends? I will talk over joining you with the rest of The Brown Brotherhood The best example of debears fake contribution is the following post. Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 03:47 debears wrote: Guys, with the thread as shitty as it is right now, I would like to propose a plan: Everyone, shut up, and do voting analysis with the info on the marv and BC flips. Let's make night all about voting analysis, and get on track BloodyC0bbler (13) marvellosity Clarity_nl Hopeless1der HiroPro froggynoddy [UoN]Sentinel iamperfection thrawn2112 VisceraEyes Djodref Promethelax Keirathi Lazermonkey Marvellosity (12) Palmar supersoft kushm4sta Toadesstern debears Mr. Cheesecake tube Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu yamato77 Foolishness grush57 hopeless1der (1) wherebugsgo Palmar (1) BloodyC0bbler tube(1) Vivax wherebugsgo (1) Jackal58 Haven't yet voted (1) Eywa- Day ends in 15 minutes. What do we know about the day 1 lynch candidates? They were both town. It is way more likely scum didn't give a fuck where their votes were. We need to look for people who didn't really give a shit where their votes were, especially concerning BC and marv Did he follow up with that post ? No. For example, he never mentions the fact that Vivax vote was on tube on D1 when he calls Vivax scum. That's why I think it was a fake contribution again. An other thing that I don't like here is that debears vote on marv was pretty sheepy and scummy. I would mean that his post points towards a hole in his play. Maybe he was expecting us to fall into his WIFOM trap at this point. Another fake contribution is this one. This was utterly useless, while allowing him to discredit iamp, when iamp, on top of looking like his town self, is almost confirmed town. Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 04:35 debears wrote: Hey guys I want to point something out about Iamp that I'm not liking right now 1) He claimed mason 2) The scum know that day vigs are unblockable 3) the scum for some reason felt the need to nk iamp, even though he's a mason who already used his power with palmar. All scum would have to do is wait til right after the nightpost to shoot him with an unblockable day vig instead of risking being blocked 4) We had 2 cops flip d1, including a role cop. the mafia were at a much lesser risk of being caught with their dayvigs with those flips 5) They didn't nk anyone else, yet had day vigs for 2 others. I'd say if Iamp makes it to lylo, you guys had better lynch the sucker. The mafia's choice to nk instead of dayvig would make no sense if true. However, I don't want to lynch Iamp because of the case that he could possibly be the mason and use his shot sometime I let you be judge of why town debears would post this. Part II --- Doesn't care who is going to get lynched So, debears has been tunneling Tunkeg all day 1 and has been shut down by marv and WBG. Which means that he somehow trusts their judgment. But then Hide in plain sight. Following Palmar, regardless of Palmar alignment, was a perfect excuse for scum to try to get marv mislynched, which they should have dreamed of since they received their role PM. I don't like how he dropped his vote on Cheese today as well. That's all his contributions for today. Part III --- Discrediting everyone attacking him So far, I have town reads on Vivax and Lazermonkey. I'm quite confident in these reads, because both of them seem genuinely involved, trying to figuring stuff out, and taking care of this game more than a lot of people. So, I'm very surprised that town debears don't share these reads. I mean, Vivax case had some bad points, but some points were good as well. He could have addressed the case without the OMGUS. It is worth of noting that he didn't provide as case, nor interacted with them so much before calling them scum. Debears had nothing to do with Vivax before that, and it's even more flagrant with LM. The accusation is coming out of nowhere. Show nested quote + On January 08 2013 07:41 debears wrote: On January 08 2013 05:18 Lazermonkey wrote: Vivax is sooo town in my book now. The case itself seems good and I am willing to sheep it tomrrow foh sho. Also, I have a hard time to see scum backing off and admitting that one of the points in the case was flawed the way Vivax did here. On January 08 2013 01:02 Vivax wrote: On January 08 2013 00:57 iamperfection wrote: Why do you think point 3 is scummy? Thinking about it, you're right, it's actually more in the WIFOM category since we can't tell if intended or not, but I see it as belonging to the category of posts he's been making about votes, setup, policy. Fluff, that'd be, it fits so well in there it caught my attention. On January 08 2013 07:03 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 08 2013 06:39 debears wrote: There are bad parts of the case. But you basically haven't been scum hunting much at all. You don't really push your suspects hard. You seemed very uninterested in the lynch, which evev according to yourself is a scum trait. Laser read the big wall of text I wrote and show me how he is reasonable Taking quotes out of context and misrepresenting someone with them is more likely scum than town, since if you assume they are town, you assume that person is just flat fucking bad You are scum Part IV --- Going for the easy targets then backing off From Hero Mini Mafia, debears should have known that Tunkeg, when town, is an easy mislynch. I'm quite surprised he chose Tunkeg for his tunnel, while knowing that. More surprising is how he let himself shut down but WBG and marv. Even more surprising is how he doesn't care about Prome anymore. Since Tunkeg has been replaced, debears doesn't put any pressure at all on Prom. Yet his suspicions are still here. And he should know that giving replacements some leeway is not necessarily good, because it has for example allowed me to survive for too long in Mario Mini Mafia. Show nested quote + On January 08 2013 06:36 debears wrote: On January 08 2013 06:32 Djodref wrote: On January 08 2013 06:27 debears wrote: Djo The strongest part of your Hiro case is the fact that he hasn't contributed. The rest is eh and can be done by town or mafia However, his recent list of reads is intriguing @ debears Why did you sheep Palmar's case on marv over your case on Tunkeg D1 ? What do you think of Prom right now ? I was shut down hard by multiple vets including marv and WBG. Marv's reaction to my case on Tunkeg was not what I expected of town Marv either. Palmar's thoughts reflected those of my own Prom is more active than Tun, but he hasn't done much. I'd rather keep him alive for now and see what he does Here is what he thinks about Prom right now, so I don't see why he wouldn't be after him today, even yesterday. Another easy target to go after was me, because of my low activity at the beginning. Please notice how debears comes after me with an discrediting post to back up quite quickly when I start to be more active. Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 05:11 debears wrote: Hey Iamp. What do you think of Djodref? I have noticed a few things that are alarming 1) His indifference to taking the helm in this game. His activity is much greater in his town games. 2) His weak reasoning for voting BC. He hides it among all the other stuff in this post, and says that the quoted post "serves mafia interest" without explaining On January 05 2013 06:31 Djodref wrote: I don't think marv is a good lynch for today. Him pushing Palmar was legit, from a town point of view, because Palmar started to look town quite late. Also I think it's not fair to judge him in comparison with his performance in Rockband Mini Mafia. Also I don't disagree with much he has been saying and him being suspicious of Clarity at some point is not alignment indicative, because Clarity is not playing his usual town game (even if I'm buying his excuse as being sick for the moment). I don't think the chances for him to be mafia are high enough to justify a lynch on him, and it would be a shame to mislynch him if he is town. So I'm going to support the counter-bandwagon, and on top of that I think that BC lynch is a good lynch in itself + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck? Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day. People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion. ##vote palmar I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up I really don't like this post from BC, as in 'I don't like this post because it serves mafia interest'. First of all, Palmar is not going to get lynched today. Moreover, Palmar stopped trolling and was actually working on this game while masoning with Iamp. Also him pushing his marv's lynch like this makes him town in my eyes, and I think that BC should be able to see this as well. Secondly, regardless of marv alignment, I see scum motivation for this post. Defending marv and discrediting Palmar if marv is scum is good, but doing it when both of them are town is even better, because you are setting things up for lynching Palmar after marv. His post also allows him to avoid contributing by spending time in a useless tunnel. ##Vote BC 3) He never pushes BC after that 4) He brings up others, yet no real reasoning On January 05 2013 23:37 Djodref wrote: I could lynch among Hopeless, Sentinel and MZ tomorrow. I have yet to see them do proper scumhunting. I don't think they are all scum though. I'll see how they react to the pressure. What I really like in Clarity's case against Sentinel is how Sentinel is promising to read the thread, without delivering. On January 05 2013 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: As hard as I try, I have no idea what the hell we're talking about anymore. Ima go read Adam's filter because for some reason he has been flying under my radar. Then I will have to go back to class because astronomy is my only free period For example, this was totally unnecessary. And reading Adam's filter takes like less than 5 minutes, so he could have given us his insight instead of saying this. One other thing I didn't like is this post On January 05 2013 20:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Agreed. I'm sitting the night out. I don't think Sentinel should feel any fear of being killed tonight. It's again another indirect way to hint that he is town, when he doesn't really need to. And then Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 09:42 debears wrote: Ok. List of people I want to lynch in order of importance after Jackal CC Djo Hiro/Miscellaneous to change it into Show nested quote + On January 08 2013 06:41 debears wrote: List of people that should be lynched, in order of importance after Jackal 1) CC 2) MZ 3) Hiro 4) Vivax/Laser 6) Palmar Let's lynch debears today ! ##Vote debears HiroPro HiroPro is just the definition of blending in and flying under the radar this game. His main contribution in this game his this case against Toad + Show Spoiler [for reference] + On January 10 2013 03:03 HiroPro wrote: We're going to lynch Cheesecake. I don't care whether you guys think that he is so inconsiderate that he would abandon one game completely to join another one. He is around, he is avoiding being modkilled by voting, but refusing to do anything at all so you have to lynch him. ##Vote Cheesecake Now let's talk about Toadesstern, since you guys are ignoring him. These are the posts with regards to his view on Palmar that I will be referring to: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 02:10 Toadesstern wrote: ##vote Palmar Let's get this going. Town palmar can be a dick, Town palmar can and will be very much trollish, Town palmar however won't do everything that's possible to make it sure it's hard for town to get reads on people or to even read the thread. That's something not-Town Palmar does. Get lynching guys. On January 04 2013 03:48 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 03:43 HiroPro wrote: /yawn. still dull toad, still dull. he's overdoing it though. Almost feels like Batman-Palmar... Town palmar however won't do everything that's possible to make it sure it's hard for town to get reads on people or to even read the thread. That's something not-Town Palmar does. I'd like some proof for these statements. Arkham City: Palmars filter And well about the first statement. I obviously can't prove he doesn't do that as town because that's impossible. Thing is I haven't seen him doing anything this extreme as town, and I've seen him a couple of times. Gosh you're wasting my time I'm off to McD for half an hour. On January 04 2013 04:37 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 04:23 HiroPro wrote: I want an actual explanation with some quotes and analysis, not a useless filter link. not going to happen On January 04 2013 04:40 Toadesstern wrote: and I'm not paranoid. I'm gauging the situation :p Though I really am not sure what to make of Palmar, which is troublesome. So what do we see here - Toad is voting for Palmar on some sort of meta read, but has absolutely no desire to explain it beyond "Palmar isn't like this is town. this is not-town Palmar". What motivations could a town Toad have for not willing to explain in detail why the person he's voting for should be lynched? He could either have an inherent dislike for explaining his thoughts or it could be a pressure vote (It's clear that this is not a pressure vote based on how quickly Toad drops the whole thing). At the same time, Toad has no problems with complaining about how marv won't share his thinking with him, so it's very unlikely that Toad doesn't like to explain his thoughts on his lynch target. So then the simplest explanation is that Toad is mafia and does not want to share his reasoning because he simply has nothing substantial. Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 06:00 Toadesstern wrote: On January 04 2013 05:38 marvellosity wrote: On January 04 2013 05:36 Toadesstern wrote: On January 04 2013 05:29 yamato77 wrote: Toad what are you serious about? not much yet. I don't want to die n1 again. I know, won't happen with this stacked of a playerfield but you can't be safe enough, can you? :p I mean, I'm serious with my reads and all that and I'm pretty sure I got some decent ones right now. I'm just not telling you and I have no intention of looking like I'm serious in here :p I just really don't like lynching into those people Marv wants to lynch into because they tend to flip like someone spinning a wheel of fortune instead of flipping their true alignment. well until you're willing to share your great wisdoms, why don't you just shut the hell up complaining at other people? seriously what's wrong with people this game. I asked you why you'd want to lynch into the guy in particular because I wouldn't be that comfortable lynching into him myself. I get that I might be a bit less on the serious side this game but I'm not being an ass here. You answered the question and that's all there is to it. I never said you're bad or scummy or anything for approaching the situation the way you are, I merely wanted to hear your thoughts about it and yet again I'm getting this kind of "piss off" answer from someone, I haven't figured you out yet, which is the reason I'm asking for your reasoning... that's not complaining at other people as far as I'm concerned. At the same time, the speed with which Toad's view on Palmar changes should be highly concerning. At 2:10, Toad is voting for Palmar and calling him very likely "not-town". Yet just 2.5 hours later, Toad suddenly is unsure about Palmar (It should be noted that Palmar has posted nothing in this time frame beyond expressing a slight doubt of Toad) and seems ready to back off. What could possibly cause this shift - at this time, I'm questioning Toad on his reasoning and supersoft is calling Toad paranoid and saying Palmar will absolutely not be lynched. Yet, Toad's response isn't to loudly refute us (which would be the normal drama queen toad reaction), but instead something that smells much more strongly of mafia - avoiding discussion and instead attempting to quitely appease others. Now let's look at the way that Toad treats Viscera (relevant quotes are in the spoiler): + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 03:49 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 03:43 Promethelax wrote: Oh, I see we're in lynch cycle. Can anyone link me to cases against the lynch targets? And a vote count? Also, CC, why the fuck are you seeping debears (whose name becomes defeats on my tablet) did the dude suddenly shoot sun beams out of his ass? 'Cause until that point sleeping him with out adding anything is about as smart as humping a hole in a brick wall. d1. We're lynching marv right now, mostly because Palmar said so and people like Supersoft and myself agree about it. Alternatives would be a policy lynch on WBG, A lynch on me because I'm weird according to VE (?) A lynch on BC because... I don't know hard to tell... I agree he's not looking good but I wouldn't be comfortable lynching him A lynch on VE for doing stuff other people want to do ALL THE TIME On January 05 2013 05:46 Toadesstern wrote: I really think any kind of lynch between Marv / BC / Hopeless / maybe VE would be awesome right now. But Palmars the man and he says it's Marv and not the other 3 guys, so Marv it is. On January 04 2013 07:46 Toadesstern wrote: the interessting thing, if at all is VE's vote. Though VE and I have somewhat of a history so it's really hard to get something out of that... I don't mind foolish to be honest. On January 05 2013 09:09 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote: On January 05 2013 02:44 VisceraEyes wrote: I just don't know anymore. I wanted to lynch you until you told me the bit about being disappointed and why, but thinking back it would have been easy as fuck to cater than answer to me. So I'm now taking it as null and by extension you as null too. Palmar's case is missing stuff - like the fact that this is your median activity/contribution level D1s regardless of alignment, and the fact that a town marv (who respects Palmar's ability as a player) WOULD want to lynch Palmar...but like Toad, it's been at the exclusion of everything else. And because I should be pretty obviously town to you, and because my sheeping shouldn't come as a surprise to ANYONE REGARDLESS of my alignment, least of all you, I wish you luck with the mob. I won't be adding my vote to the tally just yet, that's the extent of my effort in your defense. Dude, is VE chronically affected by sheepitis? If so, then why does Toad find him strange despite knowing him for longer? Can anybody confirm this statement? VE is problematic and plays somewhat anti-town no matter of alignment. Palmar once said that VE is one of the strongest mafia-aligned-forces no matter of alignment, resulting in town being at a disadvantage no matter what. That was before he started playing better. Nevertheless he's VERY eratic. He's either good or completly moronic. Pretty much nothing inbetween, which makes it hard to judge him. I've got a history with him because he'll probably tell you that I consider him scummy every game I play with him, no matter of our alignments, even if we're both mafia :3 So basicly you won't find a game of VE in which he's not strange, not a single one. The question is wether that strange is something bad strange. On January 06 2013 07:00 Toadesstern wrote: I'm going to make a bold statement here: I don't think I'm going to get doublestacked n1 again. I really don't think mafia will shoot me, but I might have overdone it a little because apparently there's a bunch of paranoid people who might be willing to shoot me. I'm mainly looking at hopeless, Ex-Tunk (?) and VE here. Tunk is unlikely simply because he replaced out but who knows. Hopeless could end up shooting me and if he does it's probably a townie-move although being utterly retarded because I really don't see mafia wasting KP on me this game, this early on, especially with Marv flipping town. If VE shoots me it's a null I guess... he'd be crazy enough to do that as both alignments and to claim it as both alignments. If he's mafia he could easily be sitting in his QT yelling <i>"look guys, if I shoot Toad and claim 10 secs prior to deadline I'll totally look like a misguided townie and with me yelling at Toad 10 times d1 I have all the reasoning to shoot him while making me look VE-ish!"</i>. I however could also see him do the same thing as town so no idea about him. I guess the best thing is to see who get's shot at deadline, that should give as some hints because right now it's really confusing within the vets. And I really hope possible vigs end up claiming prior to deadline. That's all that's relevant for this particular deadline from my point of view. I'm playing some zelda and will get onto more important things tomorrow. On January 10 2013 00:46 Toadesstern wrote: On the offchance that I'm pulling a WBG here, I'd rather not vote Debears. Who's an option besides him? I somewhat want VE dead, I somewhat want foolish dead but have no idea what's the status with his logs. Throughout his filter, Toad is clamoring for VE to be lynched on absolutely nothing (read it, you won't find a single reason for why VE might be mafia). Everything about his tone and attitude (specifically the constant double-talk where multiple explanations are given for VE's behavior but no real opinion is ever taken) suggest that Toad regards VE as some sort of oddity, not a prime lynch candidate. So then why is Toad pushing for VE to be lynched all the time? It's simply a baseless mafia push - Toad is content to throw dirt at VE without ever trying to really convince others. I'll be around for another half an hour, so talk to me right now please. Viscera, I would very much appreciate it if I could talk with you. Foolish/RoL Foolish only contributions were his cases against tube and Cheese. And they both turned out to be town. Please also note that Foolish's case against Cheese conveniently dismisses the first scum game of Cheese, where he was really active. Even if town Foolish could be wrong and lacking the time, he would expect him to go after bigger targets, or at least give something original and useful in the masonQT where he basically said almost nothing to MZ. RoL is going to be as inactive as Foolish, or at least it really looks like it, and I think it's all that mafia has to do at this point. Please also note that usually some vets are in the scumteam, for the game to be "balanced", and that both Palmar and marv flipped town. thrawn His activity level matches his only scum game (Mario Mini Mafia) and not anyone of his town games. He has been totally useless yesterday while tunneling Djodref and Prome when it was clear that we were not going to be lynched at all. He also failed to bring up relevant cases against us, and he is globally following the trend. I have usually a very clear town read on thrawn (even if the games where I roll town with him ), and that's not the case in this game, so it means he should be scum. | ||
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On January 11 2013 17:57 Promethelax wrote: you missed Yamato though djo I think Yamato is town, or at least he seemed to me that he was caring more of this game than any other of the scummers I've just mentioned in my post. He is trying to figure things out, even if I think that he is mostly wrong. Anyway, the remaining guy I have is not Yamato, and I'm quite confident in my scumteam right now, so Yamato has to be town by elimination, as well as you But I'm open to discussion | ||
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On January 11 2013 17:58 Promethelax wrote: which if those are you most confidant in? The remaining one, and debears, pretty sure that they are both scum. Foolishness has to be scum, but there is not so much to analyze. It's elimination process in the vet player pool and also the current player pool. I'm the least sure about HiroPro and thrawn, but the chances are pretty good for them to be mafia imo. | ||
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On January 11 2013 18:02 Promethelax wrote: which of these five do you want to lynch? debears or the other guy, it depends on which one we can consolidate on. I'm going to read yamato's filter again. | ||
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On January 11 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote: I think is association with Jackal makes him likely to be town. This is something called "taking your distances" that mafia players do all the time. Did he really follow up on Jackal ? Did he push it ? Also, go read his filter again and tell me if it's really the same thrawn that we were playing with in Hero Mini Mafia. | ||
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On January 11 2013 18:13 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2013 18:12 Djodref wrote: On January 11 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote: I think is association with Jackal makes him likely to be town. This is something called "taking your distances" that mafia players do all the time. Did he really follow up on Jackal ? Did he push it ? Also, go read his filter again and tell me if it's really the same thrawn that we were playing with in Hero Mini Mafia. He tried pushing the lynch away from marv/bc to vote for jackal with the knowledge that there were at least a couple of players interested. But the lynch was already set at that point, right ? Honestly, I need to read D1 again, but I don't think that you should focus on a point like that to derive your read. I've been wrong about marv all game in Hero because he reacted very well to WBG's bluff. Anyway, my read on thrawn is not set in stone, and I hope he steps up for following days because we need him to shine like a townie if he really is one, and this is something he usually does. But please consider reading his filter in this game, and then his filter in Hero Mini Mafia. | ||
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On January 11 2013 18:24 Promethelax wrote: Who is this fabled other guy, hiding it from the thread helps no one. We are either at r very near mylo. Our remaining blues need all the information they can get. I can give you a hint. You should read again what happened before and after Toad's mislynch. | ||
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On January 11 2013 18:35 Promethelax wrote: How about you don't just fuck around and instead provide the thread with everything you've got. Or at least a reasonable answer for not doing that. Let's say the I would be even more convinced that you are town if you find it by yourself I'm also preparing a better case to really convince everybody that this guy is indeed scum. | ||
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On January 11 2013 18:24 Promethelax wrote: Who is this fabled other guy, hiding it from the thread helps no one. We are either at r very near mylo. Our remaining blues need all the information they can get. Okay, in fact, I'm going out tonight, and I'm really not sure to be able to wake up before the deadline, so I'll give you this. It's supersoft ! Please have a look at this post here, it's golden ! On January 11 2013 07:13 supersoft wrote: late voteswitch, asking for game-ending modkills? my winrate is screwed :'( I think this is a huge scum slip from supersoft here. Please note how he refers to the modkills. They are game-ending ! Which means he knew that Cheese and froggy were town before the flips ! And he was counting how many town supersoft is scum, shoot that guy please ! I might come back in the night and post drunk ^^ See ya ! | ||
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Thanks to the players and the hosts ! I think the problem town had this game was the bad town atmosphere and the heterogenious activity from the players. I also think that people are giving too much leeway to the vets, Palmar, Foolish and Jackal should have been lynched D1 for what they did. We were very lucky with the BC bandwagon. Also for the further games, I think you can safely policy lynch thrawn based on his activity only But it's ok because he always gets to play town, so he is going to participate in the game rather than in the scumQT for the next one I think you can also policy lynch me quite safely because I always get mafia >.< I think my play D1 and D2 was poor, and I've tried to improve in the last days. But I was really lacking the time at some point. Regarding the setup I'm impressed by the number of blues town had in this game. I think it would have been imbalanced if we didn't figure out that we could abuse the dayvigs. I think that dayvigs should be removed by the way, but not the rounded KP part if town has so many blues. I also think that the Lurker Policy day one is a very good policy. | ||
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On January 12 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On January 12 2013 04:38 Djodref wrote: Hello everyone ! Thanks to the players and the hosts ! I think the problem town had this game was the bad town atmosphere and the heterogenious activity from the players. I also think that people are giving too much leeway to the vets, Palmar, Foolish and Jackal should have been lynched D1 for what they did. We were very lucky with the BC bandwagon. Also for the further games, I think you can safely policy lynch thrawn based on his activity only But it's ok because he always gets to play town, so he is going to participate in the game rather than in the scumQT for the next one I think you can also policy lynch me quite safely because I always get mafia >.< I think my play D1 and D2 was poor, and I've tried to improve in the last days. But I was really lacking the time at some point. Regarding the setup I'm impressed by the number of blues town had in this game. I think it would have been imbalanced if we didn't figure out that we could abuse the dayvigs. I think that dayvigs should be removed by the way, but not the rounded KP part if town has so many blues. I also think that the Lurker Policy day one is a very good policy. Setup overall was actually pretty balanced given you guys had the abilities you did and near all powers town had were dt aligned in some way in slow cops, role cops, etc... Each blue was basically a gimped version of a real blue role so we had 12 gimped blues which would equal roughly 6 real blue roles. You guys had 6 members. Given that you guys could turn all your kp into day kills and get 3 auto kills no matter what the game was actually quite favoured for you guys regardless of our numbers. You guys also go lucky no one actually took my list of scum seriously before i died =( Yes, very lucky, basically nobody cared of anyone's will after the kills. Chezinu wanted lcearly thrawn to be dead. You had nailed us, as well as Palmar, who had be immediately shot for it. | ||
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Otherwise, we are just 6 goons (because mafia is always going to priviledge KP over roles) against a town stacked with blues. | ||
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