On January 06 2013 09:28 grush57 wrote:
WTF LYNCH JACKAL
WTF LYNCH JACKAL
I'm not going to vote my vote in the voting thread ^^
That's all, I'm voting for tomorrow lynch
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On January 06 2013 09:28 grush57 wrote: WTF LYNCH JACKAL I'm not going to vote my vote in the voting thread ^^ That's all, I'm voting for tomorrow lynch | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:30 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 09:24 Djodref wrote: With wbg dead and really cop, Jackal is confirmed scum right now. I don't see mafia framing anyone with 3 cops (now 4) already in the cemetery... I don't understand why mafia chose the 1 for 1 solution. I also believe iamp when he says being protected and shoot, he was confirmed town after all. Jackal was already confirmed mafia before, or at least pretty much. Everyone knew it's either Bugs or Jackal mafia the moment Bugs claimed. There's no reason to vote Bugs instead of Jackal so might as well shoot the confirmed townie and make Jackal a 99% confirmed mafia instead of just being 98% confirmed. The problem with iamP is that I agree with you, he was pretty much confirmed town and I still think he's town. That however leaves the question why mafia didn't opt to sac that KP for a dayvig as well. But a town-vig shooting iamP makes 0 sense... why would a townie shoot him and on top of that not even claim prior to deadline. So I guess it was mafia for some reason I don't understand yet? Maybe mafia was afraid of being shot by vigs. The only downside I see for day vigs is that mafia players can be shot by town vigs before shooting themselves. | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:34 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 09:32 Djodref wrote: On January 06 2013 09:30 Toadesstern wrote: On January 06 2013 09:24 Djodref wrote: With wbg dead and really cop, Jackal is confirmed scum right now. I don't see mafia framing anyone with 3 cops (now 4) already in the cemetery... I don't understand why mafia chose the 1 for 1 solution. I also believe iamp when he says being protected and shoot, he was confirmed town after all. Jackal was already confirmed mafia before, or at least pretty much. Everyone knew it's either Bugs or Jackal mafia the moment Bugs claimed. There's no reason to vote Bugs instead of Jackal so might as well shoot the confirmed townie and make Jackal a 99% confirmed mafia instead of just being 98% confirmed. The problem with iamP is that I agree with you, he was pretty much confirmed town and I still think he's town. That however leaves the question why mafia didn't opt to sac that KP for a dayvig as well. But a town-vig shooting iamP makes 0 sense... why would a townie shoot him and on top of that not even claim prior to deadline. So I guess it was mafia for some reason I don't understand yet? Maybe mafia was afraid of being shot by vigs. The only downside I see for day vigs is that mafia players can be shot by town vigs before shooting themselves. 1) as already mentioned twice there's a nother downside: Mafia KP is untrackable, Day-vigs are kind of trackable due to rolecops. It's something that can not be faked or avoided unlike alignmentcops (framer / GF). 2) Dayvigs shoot on d2. Mafia KP was sacced on n1. So the n1 shots would have been earlier than the dayvigs. If they were afraid of dying they would not have sacced but shot on n1. 1)Yes, I agree with that. 2)Maybe Jackal was afraid of being shot. He was pretty lurky and useless after all. Maybe the other mafia members were also afraid to be shot so they decided to shoot iamp on N1. It's the only reasonable thing I'm thinking right now. But maybe I'm missing something. | ||
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On January 06 2013 14:32 Clarity_nl wrote: Can we change the rules to "pretend Jackal AND MZ are already dead, who do you wanna lynch"? Foolishness | ||
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On January 06 2013 15:56 yamato77 wrote: I only let Marv make that joke because he and I had a conversation about it post game in YANMM I'm not wrong EVERY time. It reminds me that kush is definitively town for wanting to lynch marv | ||
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On January 06 2013 23:50 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 09:24 Djodref wrote: With wbg dead and really cop, Jackal is confirmed scum right now. I don't see mafia framing anyone with 3 cops (now 4) already in the cemetery... I don't understand why mafia chose the 1 for 1 solution. I also believe iamp when he says being protected and shoot, he was confirmed town after all. wat? No. Chezinu, I chose you! We can be the very best that no one ever was. Okay, I'm going to bed. I've not finished reading the thread but I've made a decent dent. I'll talk to you all tomorrow. Good luck town! @ Prox Explain me how iamp was not confirmed town at the end of D1. And even more right now that he has claimed to be shot. 1)He really looks like town iamp 2)He claimed to have masoned Palmar on D1, which strongly indicates a town iamp, regardless of Palmar's alignment 3)The only solution left is Palmar and iamp scum together. But this is way too far fetched. Keep it simple, iamp is one-shot mason, as he claimed. | ||
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On January 07 2013 04:52 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 04:50 supersoft wrote: it might be a theoretical possibility, however as i already pointed out, why would the scumteam send iamp to palmar... The 1-shot thing fits into the set-up... and he claimed a shot... no scumteam does all that with one guy... i don't know... the obvious explanation is: he's a 1shot mason who got shot, because scum thought he's almost confirmed. although the point is why not just day vig if thats the case unless there is some sort of restriction that we are not aware of. I already told Toad about this, but the little downside of dayvigs for the mafia is that they could get shot before getting their shot. For example, I don't think that Jackal is a dayvig today, because he was potentially a town vig target. I assume it was the same for other mafia members. | ||
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I understand your concerns, but it goes all down to a time-constraint problem from my side ^^ 1)My activity is bigger in all my other games, regardless of my alignment. I was scum in Witchcraft, Mario Mini and Looney Mini and I've been pretty active as scum in these games. Here I was in the plane coming back to Korea when the game started, and I had a lot of work to do because they didn't wait for me when I was on vacation back in France. I was also jet-lagged and super tired. Like, it's 5am here, and I'm fucking awake... And I'm not usually very active on week-ends ") 2)Yeah, you cannot read Also I didn't have so much time to take a decision at that time 3)I didn't have time to push him, I was reading the thread again to see if I didn't miss anything important. I woke up in the middle of the night to follow the game, I remind you 4)Again, lack of time from my part | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:28 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 05:25 Djodref wrote: @ debears I understand your concerns, but it goes all down to a time-constraint problem from my side ^^ 1)My activity is bigger in all my other games, regardless of my alignment. I was scum in Witchcraft, Mario Mini and Looney Mini and I've been pretty active as scum in these games. Here I was in the plane coming back to Korea when the game started, and I had a lot of work to do because they didn't wait for me when I was on vacation back in France. I was also jet-lagged and super tired. Like, it's 5am here, and I'm fucking awake... And I'm not usually very active on week-ends ") 2)Yeah, you cannot read Also I didn't have so much time to take a decision at that time 3)I didn't have time to push him, I was reading the thread again to see if I didn't miss anything important. I woke up in the middle of the night to follow the game, I remind you 4)Again, lack of time from my part seems legit plus he used two smiley's probably would have put more in if he was scum. There were 3 smileys in this post | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:30 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 05:23 iamperfection wrote: @debars he is a possiblity and you have good point about his activity considering he wanted to break the record he helped to make. His voting of BC was pure sheeping of marv and ve who pointed out that post by bc was extremly scummy considering the general feeling of the thread and it seemed purely disconnected at the time. i would want to see more from him but at least his filter isnt pure setup speculation like it was when he was scum last time i remember. Yeah, but it is filled with worthless stuff, such as this: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 06:38 Djodref wrote: On January 05 2013 06:31 marvellosity wrote: On January 05 2013 06:31 Djodref wrote: I don't think marv is a good lynch for today. Him pushing Palmar was legit, from a town point of view, because Palmar started to look town quite late. Also I think it's not fair to judge him in comparison with his performance in Rockband Mini Mafia. Also I don't disagree with much he has been saying and him being suspicious of Clarity at some point is not alignment indicative, because Clarity is not playing his usual town game (even if I'm buying his excuse as being sick for the moment). I don't think the chances for him to be mafia are high enough to justify a lynch on him, and it would be a shame to mislynch him if he is town. So I'm going to support the counter-bandwagon, and on top of that I think that BC lynch is a good lynch in itself + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck? Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day. People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion. ##vote palmar I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up I really don't like this post from BC, as in 'I don't like this post because it serves mafia interest'. First of all, Palmar is not going to get lynched today. Moreover, Palmar stopped trolling and was actually working on this game while masoning with Iamp. Also him pushing his marv's lynch like this makes him town in my eyes, and I think that BC should be able to see this as well. Secondly, regardless of marv alignment, I see scum motivation for this post. Defending marv and discrediting Palmar if marv is scum is good, but doing it when both of them are town is even better, because you are setting things up for lynching Palmar after marv. His post also allows him to avoid contributing by spending time in a useless tunnel. ##Vote BC where have you been? Working and sleeping mostly. Also I had to get back to my korean life ^^ Things at my job went crazy when I was in holidays in France, and Koreans don't take work lightly. Christmas and New Year are not real holidays over there so I had to get back all thing I was late on when I was not here while being jet-lagged. I went directly to sleep when I came back from work last night. I have my week-end right now though Do you have any breadcrumb by the way ? Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 09:54 Djodref wrote: @ Kei What do you make out of kush this game ? Especially from a meta point of view... I found this one extremely odd since he had gone through such lengths to declare kush as town based on meta all d1. Why does he need keir's input if he is an expert on it? Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 23:02 Djodref wrote: On January 05 2013 22:46 thrawn2112 wrote: On January 05 2013 22:44 Djodref wrote: On January 05 2013 22:40 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 05 2013 22:38 Djodref wrote: If this is true than I will reconsider. But the question is: is it true?On January 05 2013 22:34 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 05 2013 22:33 Clarity_nl wrote: In my personal experience, and I am sure you also feel this way, scum is more inclined to push townies than scum.On January 05 2013 22:31 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 05 2013 22:27 Clarity_nl wrote: Clarity wtf is wrong with you? So how do you KNOW that Marv is bussing?[quote] You keep saying you "think" things without explaining why. Why do you think it's so unlikely for a scum marv to be bussing a teammate who he knows won't be lynched today, Everytime you have an answer and the answer includes "I think", try asking "why do I think that" and if that answer includes "I think" do it again. repeat this process until you reach facts or an opinion that makes bloody sense. HOW DO YOU EVEN FUCKCCKCCKCKCKCKC You say it's unlikely for both to be scum, I ask you why it's unlikely for a scum marv to bus a scum MZ. It's called a hypothetical, this isn't hard This is not true. I don't think it's true for marv because he has to deliver, regardless of his alignment, and it's definitively not true for kush. I also like to bus by the way I have to look it up for marv. I've heard somewhere sometime that he had been bussing almost his whole scumteam in one game. But it's definitively true for kush, and it's also true for me. That's why I really don't think kush is scum in this game by the ay. how does this make sense? you don't think kush is scum because he's not bussing this game? how would you know if he's bussing o.0 Because he would post better cases. Because he would know what to look for. As scum, he would also defend townies. Because this guy loves being right above all. That's the real meta read on scum kush. see? and then posts like this Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 22:41 Djodref wrote: On January 05 2013 22:39 Clarity_nl wrote: Marv you shouldn't ragequit replacement. As scum it would be distasteful to even mention that and I think you know that, and as town it's just not cool and also puts an unfair "mod-confirmed townie" in the game. @ Clarity How a replacement would be "mod-confirmed townie" if marv is town ? This really doesn't look like town Djo to me I was asking Keir his view on Kush because Keir replaced Adam, which I was suspicious of, given his low participation. Also Keir is supposed to have a good use of meta. | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:29 thrawn2112 wrote: @debears I agree about djo Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 05:25 Djodref wrote: @ debears I understand your concerns, but it goes all down to a time-constraint problem from my side ^^ 1)My activity is bigger in all my other games, regardless of my alignment. I was scum in Witchcraft, Mario Mini and Looney Mini and I've been pretty active as scum in these games. Here I was in the plane coming back to Korea when the game started, and I had a lot of work to do because they didn't wait for me when I was on vacation back in France. I was also jet-lagged and super tired. Like, it's 5am here, and I'm fucking awake... And I'm not usually very active on week-ends ") 2)Yeah, you cannot read Also I didn't have so much time to take a decision at that time 3)I didn't have time to push him, I was reading the thread again to see if I didn't miss anything important. I woke up in the middle of the night to follow the game, I remind you 4)Again, lack of time from my part djo does lack of time prevent you from forming scumreads? At that time, yes... I could first catch up with the thread when all the talk was about policy lynch, and the second time around the end of D1. | ||
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Why do you claim now ? Also why you don't want to claim everything ? | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:38 debears wrote: And considering you aren't gettin lynched over Jackal today, this would be a dumb as shit move by you MZ if you are a full game mason Also you are forgetting the medic that should have saved iamp ^^ | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:43 thrawn2112 wrote: kush you still lurking?how is your internet weed? what are your scumreads now that marv is gone? @ thrawn All your case can be addressed because of lack of time from my part. You know well my scum meta because you were town in both Looney Game and Witchcraft. I also hope that you have followed Mario Mini. I'm active as both alignment. But let me address your points, just give me some time, ok ? | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:46 kushm4sta wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 05:43 thrawn2112 wrote: kush you still lurking?how is your internet weed? what are your scumreads now that marv is gone? Hi! Expect full reads from me later tonight. Internet weed is amazing! do you know you can buy any drug off the internet? I feel like this whole mafia game should know that. DJODREF explain your comment about iamp and the medic.? Kush, I've already explained why I think that iamp is confirmed town. iamp claimed to be shot and is still alive. Go have a look at the role list for town in the OP and tell me how that could be possible. Please also tell me what do you make of MZ claim after that ^^ | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:50 thrawn2112 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 05:48 Djodref wrote: On January 07 2013 05:43 thrawn2112 wrote: kush you still lurking?how is your internet weed? what are your scumreads now that marv is gone? @ thrawn All your case can be addressed because of lack of time from my part. You know well my scum meta because you were town in both Looney Game and Witchcraft. I also hope that you have followed Mario Mini. I'm active as both alignment. But let me address your points, just give me some time, ok ? the issue isn;t really your post count, it's that you've got low post count + no scuhunting Because I didn't have the time to get involved in this game yet. I should be able to have a better activity level and start scumhunting for real this week. If you don't believe my commitment, please consider that it's fucking 6am in South Korea right now and that I'm playing before going to work on my Monday morning. Give me some slack, seriously. | ||
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On January 07 2013 06:05 Foolishness wrote: Does anyone remember that Promethelax is in this game? speaking of the devil Are you not supposed to be one of the best town players on this forum ? Where were you ? | ||
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Are you still around ? I think I have an explanation why mafia tried to shoot you at night ! Look at this 1 KP -> one dayvig shooting WBG 1 KP -> one dayvig shooting Keir 0.5 KP -> MZ is mason remaining 0.5 KP rounded to 1 KP -> shoot iamp at night ! The remaining KP gets rounded, that's what we were missing ! | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:50 HiroPro wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 06:49 Keirathi wrote: On January 05 2013 06:44 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 05 2013 06:42 Palmar wrote: This game is not a normal game. If Marv is fakeclaiming, scum will take a severe blow by sacrificing KP.This is a desperation claim, not to mention according to Ace logic that is always perfect, you should always lynch day 1 roleclaimers. Don't unvote marv, kill that scummy bastard This is actually a good point. If marv is scum and fakeclaiming, then scum can't use their full 3 KP tonight. A scum team with a town marv as cop would 100% either kill marv or give up KP to roleblock him. uh, kp gets rounded up doesn't it? Which is going to be an introduction to my following case. I think that Hiro is scum. Just to give you the heads-up, I was looking for someone blending in, because I think that mafia didn't do anything special on day 1 when the lynch was going to be beween marv and BC. | ||
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On January 07 2013 06:15 thrawn2112 wrote: djo that's not scumhunting... your current scumread is mz correct? what do you make of his claim? and do you have an alternate scumread with reasons behind it, not just a lurker lynch you are ok with? I'm going to come up with it. I think Hiro and MZ are scum with Jackal. The rounded-up thing makes so much sense, that's why iamp was shot at night and not during the day. MZ was under a lot of pressure, so mafia decided to make a mason out of him and that we don't see it because of KP usage. | ||
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