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Let's play a game maybe?
##Vote: phagga
Thrawn, see above. Why no suspicions on me, when I also wrote a case on you and expressed interest in voting you? Also, give phagga a look over, and try and get some thoughts on him out. I heard he's got 3 votes now and you haven't voted.
The suspense. The intrigue. Who will be lynched!?
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EBWOP: I heard wrong about you not voting, but you can always move it. I already failed my own fun game.
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On September 29 2012 05:15 thrawn2112 wrote: so there's no way sinensis is getting lynched?
##Unvote Not today.
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On September 29 2012 05:20 phagga wrote: nice game that's going on here...
austinmcc, are you pressuring thrawn into voting me? I'm legitimately interested in his read on you.
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Again, anyone here other than just us three fine folks?
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On September 29 2012 05:46 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count!
Thrawn2112 (4) - iamperfection, Ottoxlol, Sinesis, strongandbig Phagga (4) - ShiaoPi, Bluelightz, austinmcc, Thrawn2112
Not Voting (1) -Phagga
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Day ends in 14 minutes on Friday, Sep 28 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00) Anyone that's not one of us three fine fellow OR BLAZINGHAND around?
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On September 29 2012 05:48 thrawn2112 wrote: if anyone has a question for me please hurry up and ask You said you were suspicious of everyone voting for you. Can you narrow that down to a most scummy person out of that group?
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On September 29 2012 05:52 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 05:47 austinmcc wrote:On September 29 2012 05:46 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count!
Thrawn2112 (4) - iamperfection, Ottoxlol, Sinesis, strongandbig Phagga (4) - ShiaoPi, Bluelightz, austinmcc, Thrawn2112
Not Voting (1) -Phagga
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Day ends in 14 minutes on Friday, Sep 28 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00)Anyone that's not one of us three fine fellow OR BLAZINGHAND around? i am here (1) How do I know you're not actually BH? (2) It's too close to deadline. Was going to try and drum up some discussion about phagga and thrawn with people who aren't phagga and thrawn, but we can do that over N1.
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On September 29 2012 05:56 iamperfection wrote: 5 min is a liftetime austin. Thoughts on phagga? Those would be the pressing ones.
Followed by:On September 29 2012 03:43 austinmcc wrote: iamperfection, two questions. (1) Have you played any games as scum, and if so, which (I'm so lazy)? (2) How do you read shiaopi right now, or...general thoughts on shiaopi?
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Old friend staying with me for the weekend, won't be as active as during the week. Will put some time in tomorrow before deadline to get reads out and look things over.
Was this actually to phagga, or was it to me?
On September 29 2012 11:54 iamperfection wrote:phagga can you please explain your thinking in detail towards the end there especially at this juncture. Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 05:57 austinmcc wrote:On September 29 2012 05:56 iamperfection wrote: 5 min is a liftetime austin. Thoughts on phagga? Those would be the pressing ones. Followed by: On September 29 2012 03:43 austinmcc wrote: iamperfection, two questions. (1) Have you played any games as scum, and if so, which (I'm so lazy)? (2) How do you read shiaopi right now, or...general thoughts on shiaopi?
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On September 29 2012 22:14 Ottoxlol wrote:@austin Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote: Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time. Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later. Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga?
As to the first, here's what I wrote:On September 28 2012 11:43 austinmcc wrote: I'll look over things again tomorrow morning and make sure, specifically check some other games of Ottox, but right now I don't think he's scum. Going to unvote for now, and will find a new target unless his past games give me a bad feeling.
The entire lack of a defense and lack of any effort at actually putting one up doesn't feel scummy to me. Other thoughts on that? I've had that feeling all afternoon, but was hoping maybe there would be more action created, votes or unvotes, or other candidates filtering up. It didn't generate too much, but oh well.
##Unvote
Basically, I found the way you reacted to votes to be townie. I need to look over it again because now you're kind of in my blind spot after I label you town in my head, but that's where you are. However, we needed SOMETHING to galvanize discussion. Votes on you, getting you close to lynch but not lynched, was something that I hoped to provide that. Anything would have been helpful, maybe picking out one of the later votes on you as scum (I thought thrawn's vote fit the bill) or seeing someone argue that you were town (Sinensis had that weird "unfairly voted for" line). Just figured that the longer someone was close to lynch, the more discussion we could generate.
So I didn't want you lynched, but I wanted something to be actively happening in the thread, and having someone close to the chopping block was what we had. Therefore, I didn't want to unvote and weaken the only action going on in thread, but I didn't want you to actually get lynched.
You're correct about me wanting to lynch Thrawn. If phagga wasn't going to vote him then I was. I liked both for scum and so, again, figured maybe something would shake out if both got close in the voting and we could get pressure on them. But I didn't want to lynch him right away since he'd been gone so much of the time he had lots of votes and we basically had no information from him for much of the day. Voting phagga and getting pressure on phagga in addition to Thrawn seemed like the most useful thing to do with my vote if I wasn't going to hammer Thrawn early.
If anyone had come in thread and moved a vote from Thrawn to phagga, I would have happily entertained that lynch as well, so I felt fine having my vote on non-Thrawn since either lynch was good imo.
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On September 30 2012 00:01 Ottoxlol wrote: @austin However despite your efforts(?) not too much of a discussion emerged even though iamperfection was in the thread. You voted at .15, then waited half an hour, asked if anyone around at .45, then when iamp .52 posted that was too late for discussion for you, when he replied that its still a plenty of time you had a question for him at 57 (moments before the lynch). If your main priority was to stir up the thread a bit why wait so long? Also why not make a nice case on him that you can point to, instead of just asking "what do you think about phagga"? I feel somehow the same with the thing in my previous post about unvoting me, you seem to put a lot of effort into the game but doesnt care at all about who we lynch. I didn't care much about who we lynched yesterday between those two.
I posted a little on phagga earlier in the day, but no, no big case. ShiaoPi and Bluelightz covered a lot of his play, I gave my thoughts on Shiao's case and then had some questions for phagga late.
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Going to start getting some thoughts into thread. Everyone should be doing this. SUPER DUPER WALL OF TEXT ACTIVITE!!!!! My rough reads right now are:
Ottoxlol - Because of his response to pressure, although we need to make sure that not to just write him off as town and never scrutinize him.
ShiaoPi - I can see where a lot of his questions are coming from, but I wish he'd get more completed thoughts into the thread. At some points shiao is very vague - phagga has kind of weakened my suspicions on him a bit, but I am still uncertain about him. Sinensis and iamperfection are also on my watchlist. For different reasons though. Sinensis has some stuff that has been pointed out already and I am too tired right now to dig up the other things. Iamperfection deserves some closer inspection for being around quite often but not doing that much, also he started the thrawn mislynch with pretty weak reasoning. but he calls attention to that and has not been so throughout the game. Also not entirely sure that scum would suggest a new lynch target in phagga when votes were coming so slowly and could have mislynched thrawn yesterday. That bit is entirely speculative and not worth much.
Bluelightz - I don't know bluelightz play well. Will have to look it over if I survive. He tossed out a decent number of reads during the day (Initially ottox and I were scum, then Sinensis/phagga) and gave occasional other thoughts. However, especially on the sinensis/phagga reads, it feels like he just gives very cursory explanations. Whereas his thoughts on Ottox and I were spelled out a little more, then second set feels a little weaker, and I'm unsure what to make of that.
strongandbig - Right now, when I think of snb, I think of this post:On September 28 2012 15:14 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:Ebwop On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:
I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. Why do you say this please elaborate. This is important Sinensis's weird offhand remark about ottox was something that looked weird, and I like that snb seemed to pick that up. But he never gave ANY thoughts on it. He just asks sinensis to elaborate, says it's "important," but doesn't say anything about that comment himself and never returns to it. A lot of the rest of his filter is just nothing or tiny bits on the random lynch, which says nothing about alignment. I still want to hear more from snb regarding sinensis's comment and elaboration.
Sinensis - Look at his D1. Early on, pretty active. Very critical of me, hounding me somewhat, seems interested and has a read and is pushing it. Later in the day though, there are lots of little things that concern me: this post - + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 04:46 phagga wrote: Sinensis, while you are here, I would like to know your stance on Ottoxlol. I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. I'm null on him. I think the worst thing he's done is instead of formulating a proper defense (against something that really didn't need defending against), he tried to shift the blame onto others...BUT he wasn't trying to shift the blame onto 1 or 2 other people, he was trying to shift the blame back onto everyone. That's why I think he just believes he's being treated unfairly and is just lashing out at everyone else. This doesn't strike me as scummy so much as just bad town play. Aside from that all he's done is be critical of SnB's play. Which I understand because SnB has been posting weird stuff this game. First there was the random lynch suggestion. He posted this too: Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 05:22 strongandbig wrote: what about vt's fakeclaiming boxer
lets all claim boxer I've said a lot already about why VTs shouldn't be fake claiming. Was SnB fishing for people to agree with him or is he suggesting something that benefits mafia on purpose? ANYWAY I just think Ottoxlol is understandably concerned with SnB's play, and I think in the future Ottoxlol should start making proper defenses instead of blaming everyone else. Look at how wishy washy his READ on Ottox is despite all these strong statements. "I think Ottoxlol believes he is being unfairly voted for" "The worst thing he's done is x, x doesn't strike me as scummy so much as bad town play" "The only other thing he's done is be critical of SnB's play. Which I understand..." To me, those ALL look like they should generate a town read, at least when taken together. But Sinensis is null. And that "unfairly voted for" bit still just feels...it's weird. It's a weird conclusion to pull out. and his play concerning thrawn. Again, just like the way he was pushing me, he's very involved with thrawn at one point - + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote: @Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
What do you have to say about that? On September 28 2012 13:34 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 13:19 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote: ##Unvote austinmcc is being logical, compliant, and is saying things I agree with so I can't justify voting for him today anymore. Even though I disagree with him about hammer votes, he is right about it being largely irrelevant.
@Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog.
@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
What do you have to say about that? First what are you talking about with this part? " Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players" Also could you be more specific with the accusations? I am accusing you of sabotaging meaningful discussion by nit picking everyone's posts. I think you're doing this because people are voting for you and you're looking for ANYTHING that will get the spotlight off you. The problem isn't with 1 or 2 of your posts, it's most of them. How would you like me to be more specific? On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too. Note his vote post. He wants to see what everyone else thinks. But he never does. He doesn't talk with ANYONE in the thread really after voting thrawn. See: On September 28 2012 16:13 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 15:14 strongandbig wrote:On September 28 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:Ebwop On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:
I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. Why do you say this please elaborate. This is important top of page 10 On September 28 2012 16:19 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 15:18 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too. Those are serious questions I want you to answer, and they address the the problems I have with your accusations. Anyways, Sinensis makes this comment: On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it. On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken. Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself. But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it. I addressed this earlier. Going so far as to call it out and say he's "just making a note of it" all reads like he was suspicious of our actions. When I asked him to further elaborate, he said: On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 21:40 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it. On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken. Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself. But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it. "just making a note of it" Wanna say anything further than that? No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that. He doesn't say anything about him thinking it was suspicious. Just that it was probably making us angry so we shouldn't act like that. No hint of suspicion at all there. I pointed that out to him and asked him if what he was thinking at the time of the original post and his response was: On September 28 2012 11:08 Sinensis wrote:On September 28 2012 07:06 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that. When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting? Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it. So now his stance is that he was suspicious of us maybe being mafia and faking a disagreement. I see no consistency between his first post and his last. He has also completely disregarded my defense, and something I want to point out about his case against me is this: On September 28 2012 13:55 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious. On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking. I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them? What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are. He makes a case against me that's full of general statements about my play. I address each of his concerns and ask for specific examples of what I've done is scummy. He responds by not answering or talking about a single thing I posted in that defense and brushes it aside and votes for me. ##Unvote##Vote Sinensis What is that, 1000 words plus later and you STILL haven't disagreed with my accusations? ALL you have done is shift blame to me. My vote is in the right place. On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote: @ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.
I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play. Look at his posts. "I want to see what everyone else thinks." But what does he do after voting and making that comment? He responds to an SnB question and a ShiaoPi question (So we know he's reading thread at those 2 points, but not commenting on anything else or doing anything or trying to push his thrawn read/be at all involved in the thrawn lynch). I don't like how he's on me, then on thrawn, then just detached. Why does his play change? Why does he not push thrawn, or comment on any other thrawn case? I really dislike the drop off in activity once he and the failure to follow-up with anything. He also contributed a decent amount early, but kept it really focused - hounding me or hounding thrawn. Some comments elsewhere, but while he responds to some questions, he doesn't really seem to be doing too much looking at others. Looking back through, Sinensis would maybe be at the top of my preferred lynch candidates for tomorrow.
Phagga - Giving a cursory read here, see comments yesterday. ShiaoPi and Bluelightz have some good points. Blah blah. Interesting, but not necessarily scummy, is his response to iamperfection's deadline question during the night. iamperfection asks for phagga's thinking in detail towards the end of the day, especially when I'm asking about him with 5 minutes to go. What does phagga post? This enormous wall of text discussing his read throughout the entire day, his thought process on all sorts of people, concerns about a no lynch, etc. It felt kind of out of place, like he was asked the question, but was worried about being scrutinized and voted for, so he responded to a bunch of questions or concerns that weren't being raised.
iamperfection - Look at his filter. It's chock full of one liners, of single questions that he never follows up on. Needs to be compared against past play, but there are SO MANY one liners and dangling questions. There are very few full, original thoughts. His thrawn vote was...I guess people vote sometimes of single things they find scummy, but it felt like something that a townie would do in a rush, then later change his vote or explain his vote further. I overreacted, found that thing you did scummy, but this other guy is entirely scummy OR I overreacted and voted you for x, but then I went through your filter and, you know what, I like my vote because of x, y, z. He just NEVER gives much out in the way of thoughts, never follows up the questions he asks, I really don't love this filter.
D2 my strongest candidates right now would be imperfection and sinensis I think, as odd as that sounds given my concerns about phagga yesterday and my vote on him. I need to look him back over a little closer with thrawn green, but I don't have a town read, just...iamperfection and sinensis's filters don't look great.
Most of my reads are WEAK this game though because there's so little to go on.
If I die, please consider these thoughts. If I die, MAKE SURE that the following things get repeatedly brought up, explained, scrutinized, whatever:- Sinensis's weird "unfairly accused" comment
- SnB's lack of followup
- iamperfection's tiny posts and lack of followup
- ANYONE who offhand said they had a townread on someone (iamperfection had this offhand comment on me, a couple people commented that they had townreads on ottox or thrawn without backing those up). Track those posts down, remember them.
If I'm not around tomorrow, there should be some contribution exercises. Everyone should list 3 people they find scummy. Seen Chezinu do that in a few threads and it seems like a good way to get some reads out and to make everyone THINK and to make everyone do so without tunneling a single player. Game is so small that there's no need to tunnel hard, everyone can read the entire thread and everyone should be noticing things out of the corner of their eyes. Something like...top 3 people you find scummy, one post that you find VERY TOWNIE from anyone, one post that you find VERY SCUMMY from anyone, and reasons why. We have 72-hour days. Someone should enforce this, really make it happen. It sounds dumb, you may think it's dumb, but we really need participation from all corners.
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EBWOP: ACTIVATE!!!!
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So many people with almost nothing overnight (me included)
Sinensis and SnB with NOTHING overnight.
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I tried to find a picture of the Cheetos mascot ODed on cheese. No dice. Just create one in your mind and place it here.
gg town I guess.
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Big fat sadface. thanks hosts for hosting and for putting up with this.
NONE of us can complain about inactivity, because we all blew goats. It doesn't matter how many pages of filter anyone had because we sucked donkey dicks and even trying to get active late doesn't make up for such a bad start. We need that activity early. Also apparently I like farm animal genitalia. Sorry town for not trying to push things more D1, I got stuck with the thought that I needed to survive and then didn't realize I was being dumb until too late.
That said, I just want to point this out - + Show Spoiler +Sinensis - Look at his D1. Early on, pretty active. Very critical of me, hounding me somewhat, seems interested and has a read and is pushing it. Later in the day though, there are lots of little things that concern me: this post - + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 04:46 phagga wrote: Sinensis, while you are here, I would like to know your stance on Ottoxlol. I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. I'm null on him. I think the worst thing he's done is instead of formulating a proper defense (against something that really didn't need defending against), he tried to shift the blame onto others...BUT he wasn't trying to shift the blame onto 1 or 2 other people, he was trying to shift the blame back onto everyone. That's why I think he just believes he's being treated unfairly and is just lashing out at everyone else. This doesn't strike me as scummy so much as just bad town play. Aside from that all he's done is be critical of SnB's play. Which I understand because SnB has been posting weird stuff this game. First there was the random lynch suggestion. He posted this too: Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 05:22 strongandbig wrote: what about vt's fakeclaiming boxer
lets all claim boxer I've said a lot already about why VTs shouldn't be fake claiming. Was SnB fishing for people to agree with him or is he suggesting something that benefits mafia on purpose? ANYWAY I just think Ottoxlol is understandably concerned with SnB's play, and I think in the future Ottoxlol should start making proper defenses instead of blaming everyone else. Look at how wishy washy his READ on Ottox is despite all these strong statements. "I think Ottoxlol believes he is being unfairly voted for" "The worst thing he's done is x, x doesn't strike me as scummy so much as bad town play" "The only other thing he's done is be critical of SnB's play. Which I understand..." To me, those ALL look like they should generate a town read, at least when taken together. But Sinensis is null. And that "unfairly voted for" bit still just feels...it's weird. It's a weird conclusion to pull out. and his play concerning thrawn. Again, just like the way he was pushing me, he's very involved with thrawn at one point - + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote: @Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
What do you have to say about that? On September 28 2012 13:34 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 13:19 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote: ##Unvote austinmcc is being logical, compliant, and is saying things I agree with so I can't justify voting for him today anymore. Even though I disagree with him about hammer votes, he is right about it being largely irrelevant.
@Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog.
@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
What do you have to say about that? First what are you talking about with this part? " Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players" Also could you be more specific with the accusations? I am accusing you of sabotaging meaningful discussion by nit picking everyone's posts. I think you're doing this because people are voting for you and you're looking for ANYTHING that will get the spotlight off you. The problem isn't with 1 or 2 of your posts, it's most of them. How would you like me to be more specific? On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too. Note his vote post. He wants to see what everyone else thinks. But he never does. He doesn't talk with ANYONE in the thread really after voting thrawn. See: On September 28 2012 16:13 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 15:14 strongandbig wrote:On September 28 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:Ebwop On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:
I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. Why do you say this please elaborate. This is important top of page 10 On September 28 2012 16:19 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 15:18 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too. Those are serious questions I want you to answer, and they address the the problems I have with your accusations. Anyways, Sinensis makes this comment: On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it. On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken. Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself. But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it. I addressed this earlier. Going so far as to call it out and say he's "just making a note of it" all reads like he was suspicious of our actions. When I asked him to further elaborate, he said: On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 21:40 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it. On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken. Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself. But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it. "just making a note of it" Wanna say anything further than that? No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that. He doesn't say anything about him thinking it was suspicious. Just that it was probably making us angry so we shouldn't act like that. No hint of suspicion at all there. I pointed that out to him and asked him if what he was thinking at the time of the original post and his response was: On September 28 2012 11:08 Sinensis wrote:On September 28 2012 07:06 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that. When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting? Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it. So now his stance is that he was suspicious of us maybe being mafia and faking a disagreement. I see no consistency between his first post and his last. He has also completely disregarded my defense, and something I want to point out about his case against me is this: On September 28 2012 13:55 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious. On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking. I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them? What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are. He makes a case against me that's full of general statements about my play. I address each of his concerns and ask for specific examples of what I've done is scummy. He responds by not answering or talking about a single thing I posted in that defense and brushes it aside and votes for me. ##Unvote##Vote Sinensis What is that, 1000 words plus later and you STILL haven't disagreed with my accusations? ALL you have done is shift blame to me. My vote is in the right place. On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote: @ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.
I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play. Look at his posts. "I want to see what everyone else thinks." But what does he do after voting and making that comment? He responds to an SnB question and a ShiaoPi question (So we know he's reading thread at those 2 points, but not commenting on anything else or doing anything or trying to push his thrawn read/be at all involved in the thrawn lynch). I don't like how he's on me, then on thrawn, then just detached. Why does his play change? Why does he not push thrawn, or comment on any other thrawn case? I really dislike the drop off in activity once he and the failure to follow-up with anything. He also contributed a decent amount early, but kept it really focused - hounding me or hounding thrawn. Some comments elsewhere, but while he responds to some questions, he doesn't really seem to be doing too much looking at others. Looking back through, Sinensis would maybe be at the top of my preferred lynch candidates for tomorrow. Phagga - Giving a cursory read here, see comments yesterday. ShiaoPi and Bluelightz have some good points. Blah blah. Interesting, but not necessarily scummy, is his response to iamperfection's deadline question during the night. iamperfection asks for phagga's thinking in detail towards the end of the day, especially when I'm asking about him with 5 minutes to go. What does phagga post? This enormous wall of text discussing his read throughout the entire day, his thought process on all sorts of people, concerns about a no lynch, etc. It felt kind of out of place, like he was asked the question, but was worried about being scrutinized and voted for, so he responded to a bunch of questions or concerns that weren't being raised. iamperfection - Look at his filter. It's chock full of one liners, of single questions that he never follows up on. Needs to be compared against past play, but there are SO MANY one liners and dangling questions. There are very few full, original thoughts. His thrawn vote was...I guess people vote sometimes of single things they find scummy, but it felt like something that a townie would do in a rush, then later change his vote or explain his vote further. I overreacted, found that thing you did scummy, but this other guy is entirely scummy OR I overreacted and voted you for x, but then I went through your filter and, you know what, I like my vote because of x, y, z. He just NEVER gives much out in the way of thoughts, never follows up the questions he asks, I really don't love this filter. D2 my strongest candidates right now would be imperfection and sinensis I think, as odd as that sounds given my concerns about phagga yesterday and my vote on him. I need to look him back over a little closer with thrawn green, but I don't have a town read, just...iamperfection and sinensis's filters don't look great.
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On October 07 2012 02:01 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 01:48 ShiaoPi wrote: oh another thing, I think the long day-cycles were counter-productive. They kind of let people just cruise by without having to worry for a deadline. Probably the standard 48/24h works better to encourage more active play. The idea of the 72-hour deadline was to allow the voting to be controlled by the insta-lynch mechanic as opposed to the deadline. We were even discussing a 96-hour deadline. It clearly didn't work as intended with the inactivity, and I'm not sure what BH's thoughts are on the length. That being said, I want to see this with a more active player-lineup first. ^
I don't think we took advantage of the cycles. If we'd used instant lynch to put a lot of pressure on a number of different people D1, get them to 3-4 votes and really turn the screws, I think we could have gained a TON of useful information.
The 72-hour day is just...a red herring. Or whatever. Like, we read that and go "the day was 72 hours, so long!" But really, we had full control over how long days were, and the day was however long we said it was. I agree that the long cycles didn't help town in this game, but I don't think that's intrinsic to the length of the cycle, it's how we played things.
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On October 07 2012 09:04 iamperfection wrote: guys guys guys
Austin not mvp. Should have posted closer to deadline. Epic fail. Changed nk.
Awwww, really? Deadline was right around when I leave work. If scum would have told me they'd let me survive, I'd have stayed a little later.
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Who were you planning on killing?
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