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On October 04 2012 05:37 risk.nuke wrote:Who on that list would do you feel like going after then BC, I've been wanting to go after Sharrant however having been to lazy to actually read the last 20-25ish pages properly + Show Spoiler +King procastination first due to a 10 page gap after day 1 and then marv instantly outing himself. it felt inapropriate to make up my mind who I want to lynch. While I'm posting, people who voted marv before this are more suspicious then the rest. Seeing as the mafia knew risen did protect marvellosity while the rest of us would still have to deal with other possibilitys, my point is that mafia would probably have wanted to get on marv as quickly as possible.
mattchew and one of sharrant or kush provided you start posting like I know you can. If you continue to be lazy and unhelpful I will start pushing you again.
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On October 04 2012 10:58 slOosh wrote:Yea I know what you mean. Like, a post that scares me is Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 04:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, after looking through marv's filter and gazing at the people he was fine with lynching and those he defended / tried to suggest were bad options for lynches were
Risk.nuke Kush Sharrant.
Of these 3 I think it is highly likely that at least 1 is scum. Of the people he accused I think mattchew is most likely to flip red as well. Like, I don't understand how he picked the pool (people marv was fine with lynching and defended from lynching seems to cover the whole pool) and saying that at least 1 is scum seems so prone to a string of mislynches (lynch A, flips town, oh B and C must be more likely to be scum). I'm agreeing with the mattchew read though and can understand the players he picked objectively, but yea it's scary. Anyone you want to talk about?
if you are curious to know why I picked the three names I did with risk, kush and sharrant is because of how he did it. They weren't strong reads, it was like "ima use my name to push this on "meta" or the like". Given that a fair number of the people he actively wanted to lynch have flipped town leads me to believe the ones he defended but kept from talking about in detail are likely people to keep a strong eye on.
-_- I am not sure why this is a scarey post, it seems rather logical to me. What specifically are you guys expecting from me here?
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On October 04 2012 11:31 slOosh wrote: Ah I see. It's scary when you do it without explaining like you now did because you might be doing some high level scum play given your reputation.
Then let's talk about the list. I think kush is town based on his demeanor (throwing up thoughts onto thread without the scummy tendency to double check / review). Your turn.
Er? Its scummy thing to recheck / review? I don't do that ever unless I am town making some epic post by post analysis.
I think he could easily be mafia given his interactions with people, his odd post that he just made
On October 04 2012 11:15 kushm4sta wrote: im so town though
This may just be the living up in a household with a mother who is an english major, but using the word "so" as he did seems weird to me.
However throwing ones thoughts into the thread mean near jackshit when you look at the last three pages of his filter have been basically none useful. I don't see solid reasoning for reads, I see summarizing of other peoples shit, spam, and the same.
I honestly believe if someone is active like he has been this game there should be real content in his filter, and honestly I am not seeing it.
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On October 04 2012 12:03 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 04 2012 11:31 slOosh wrote: Ah I see. It's scary when you do it without explaining like you now did because you might be doing some high level scum play given your reputation.
Then let's talk about the list. I think kush is town based on his demeanor (throwing up thoughts onto thread without the scummy tendency to double check / review). Your turn. Er? Its scummy thing to recheck / review? I don't do that ever unless I am town making some epic post by post analysis. I think he could easily be mafia given his interactions with people, his odd post that he just made On October 04 2012 11:15 kushm4sta wrote: im so town though This may just be the living up in a household with a mother who is an english major, but using the word "so" as he did seems weird to me. However throwing ones thoughts into the thread mean near jackshit when you look at the last three pages of his filter have been basically none useful. I don't see solid reasoning for reads, I see summarizing of other peoples shit, spam, and the same. I honestly believe if someone is active like he has been this game there should be real content in his filter, and honestly I am not seeing it. Dude my mom is an english major too... I think that means we are spiritual brothers. And that's cold about my recent posts! I think my posting has improved greatly since the first day as it always does. I've been giving my thoughts and reads freely. I've been asking people questions. The only thing I haven't done is made big wall of text cases. But honestly I threw away all my towncred d1 so I doubt anyone would read them anyway. ALSO This is a huge game so people who are better at this game always say what I would say better and before I do. Therefore there hasn't really been the opportunity or the drive for walls of text. ALSO compiling all those cases against VE.. that took like 20 minutes give me some credit there.
I can give credit for compiling, but its not giving original content, its just pushing old content. I think you can understand why I would have an issue with it?
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On October 04 2012 12:16 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 04 2012 11:31 slOosh wrote: Ah I see. It's scary when you do it without explaining like you now did because you might be doing some high level scum play given your reputation.
Then let's talk about the list. I think kush is town based on his demeanor (throwing up thoughts onto thread without the scummy tendency to double check / review). Your turn. Er? Its scummy thing to recheck / review? I don't do that ever unless I am town making some epic post by post analysis. I think he could easily be mafia given his interactions with people, his odd post that he just made On October 04 2012 11:15 kushm4sta wrote: im so town though This may just be the living up in a household with a mother who is an english major, but using the word "so" as he did seems weird to me. However throwing ones thoughts into the thread mean near jackshit when you look at the last three pages of his filter have been basically none useful. I don't see solid reasoning for reads, I see summarizing of other peoples shit, spam, and the same. I honestly believe if someone is active like he has been this game there should be real content in his filter, and honestly I am not seeing it. It's a general heuristic that town post more freely than scum, who have inherent guilt and are scared of making scumslips etc. That's how you caught goodkarma last game no? I agree that there isn't much substance in his filter, but it's feels different from the typical trying-to-blend-in-with-town lack of substance. Worth a vig shot, not a lynch kinda thing. Thoughts on Sharrant's more recent posts?
I caught goodkarma that way yes and no. His post was huge and looked heavily "tailored'. When I do giant posts that are heavy in analysis I do edit them regardless of my alignment but a tailored post is more alignment indicative as its a post that appears to be useful while saying shit all. It takes a good eye to realize a huge cloud of bs went into the air.
I will keep a better eye on kush to see if my view of him is off but hes still suspect to me. Sharrant needs to post more. Looks too much like feigned activity and given that he hasn't even posted once since the day post went up I will keep him on my possible scum list.
What is your view on him?
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On October 04 2012 12:41 kushm4sta wrote:
I got mad because I hate the idea of being vig shot.
Why are people always suggesting: don't know if this guy's scum. Someone vig him. Why not vig people you actually believe to be scum???
if you know the guy is 100% scum or insanely high chances you do shoot him. However if someone could be scum and their behaviour is disruptive, counter productive or the like then shooting them and having them flip green is not the end of the world as it removes a negative influence from the town. It also helps get rid of players who are basically mafia players without realizing due to bad reads or the like who will never get mafia shot or lynched and end up losing town the game.
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Darth I like how you play, please keep it up. Need more of you around!
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Hey all. I am aware I have been mia for awhile and to sum it all up, I have had a family emergency situation arise friday which is now thankfully dealt with for the time being, thanksgiving and work. I should be able to start committing time again to the game and will be doing so by reading through the thread since the marv lynch. I am apologetic to those in the game and those running it that I basically vanished but I honestly realize I hadn't said anything till now.
Again, I am sorry for the disappearance and will begin sifting through the thread.
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On October 08 2012 04:03 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 03:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hey all. I am aware I have been mia for awhile and to sum it all up, I have had a family emergency situation arise friday which is now thankfully dealt with for the time being, thanksgiving and work. I should be able to start committing time again to the game and will be doing so by reading through the thread since the marv lynch. I am apologetic to those in the game and those running it that I basically vanished but I honestly realize I hadn't said anything till now.
Again, I am sorry for the disappearance and will begin sifting through the thread. Just quickly: Were you targetted this night again? We still havent heard anyone claim anything.
I was not. Based on the kills I saw, and given that we have had a vig claim in thread, I would guess some townie was shot and didn't claim, or mafia stacked toutestchaos or austin / third party shot one of these two as well. I would say it was likely toutestchaos given that he was mod confirmed as town.
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Mattchew
This guy has got to go. If anyone would like to quickly take a gander at his filter with me. Here
You will quickly find that for a player of his caliber that his filter contains near nothing in forms of reads. However, the reads he has shared however are nearly all universally from day 1. He has not shared a single read since the start of day 2. He did nothing to further hunting for mafia day 2, he has not done anything day 3. Day 1 his views of near every person he was ok with lynching has flipped town in the exception of sloosh who is someone he has mentioned many times but not attempted to actually try and get people to see the guy as scum.
More importantly he has spent most of his time only responding to the thread once called out rather then being here contributing. This shows that he has been concerned with keeping himself alive, but doesn't give jack shit about the thread.
Matchew is Mafia
Coagulation
Hi coag. You have done nothing productive this game. You can say "i have no meta" all you want but you and I both know you have one vital difference between your scum and town play. The difference? You actually give a shit about finding mafia as town. Instead you sit back and are active while saying sweet fuck all. You haven't attempted to convince anyone in the game of someone who is mafia, you haven't called people out for their retarded shit. Instead you have a ton of one liners defending yourself as why you 'arent scum". Content is telling and you have 0 of it. I don't need to find a scumtell for you as your entire filter is the proof of your alignment. 0 content with a lot of confrontation for anyone who pushes at you while not providing anything helpful to town = scum. You and I both know it.
Coagulation is mafia
Risk.nuke
This guy is universally one of the scummiest players in the game. He has been defended by a known scum (marv) day 1. He is apathetic and has even said straight out
On October 06 2012 06:37 risk.nuke wrote: I'm just to lazy to build a case before the nightflip. I'm always watching the thread incase someone decides to pull some shenanigans. As for why I'm not posting. I consider the atleast last 20 pages useless shit and I haven't seen a point in joining the conversations that's been had.
This guy doesn't give two shits about the thread given that he has outright said "i'm always watching the thread" ie hes actively reading and keeping up to date, then "I haven't seen a point in joining the conversations had" which means he doesn't A) have opinions on said thread B) bother to attempt to change the conversations into something that would have a point to him.
He actively doesn't care about the game. He has outright said he is actively reading the thread and then says in his next post that he hadn't bothered to do any scumhunting. The only name he was able to offer up as potential scum was kush. A player being universally harassed by everyone at the time. He has offered nothing original to the thread, and has outright said hes too lazy to make cases but is actively reading. He makes a point of coming into the thread to defend himself, but nothing else. Clearly doesn't give two shits about the town winning or losing.
Risk.nuke is scum
These are my top three reads. All of them follow the pattern of how a mafia player would play. Even when active in thread none of them do jack shit to scumhunt, none of them do anything to help sort good cases from bad or interact in any real positive way. They are all around enough to ensure they survive modkilled but offer nothing to help further the day in any productive way. All of them are playing a very clear scum game.
If there is for some reason another scum player after we kill these 3 + hapa we should move into offing Mementoss and then potentially into sloosh. Both of these players have horrible filters. Mementoss has done nothing but make sure he survives a modkill as he has 0 worthwhile content in his posts but has alot of excuses as to why he can never contribute. Sloosh is capable of heavy serious analysis on players and has the voice to make sure his message gets heard and has spent 0 time doing so. However his biggest tell to me is this
On October 01 2012 06:15 slOosh wrote: This is the most upsetting start to a game I've played. So I'm gonna lay some ground rules because people are playing in a way that they shirk responsibilities with their actions / words.
Biggest thing is stop saying "I wanna lynch player X what do you think?". There is no back up analysis, and it allows people to toss out names at random. You think someone is scum, back it up. Don't say "seems scummy maybe". It lets people sow seeds of suspicion and it makes mislynches more untraceable.
See the bolded spot in that quote? Go take a gander through his filter and compare his play after day 1. He is guilty of alot of that behaviour and has no solid analysis on any player. Any reads of his are near aside comments made to appear to be contributing but never trying to get people solidly looking in any specific direction.
I am going to continue sifting through the thread but near universally the behaviour of all the players I mentioned have very little in form of contributions and near always pop into the thread to avoid modkills / directly respond to suspicion put on them but refuse to help in any other way. (sloosh is the slight exception to this but his play has been horrific given his ability and he has proven that he is reading the thread actively).
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On October 08 2012 08:14 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 08:06 kushm4sta wrote: @coag do you still want to lynch bc even though he kind of returned and has an excuse? Do you still think zboson is town? If yes then why do you disagree with my case? Sure I wouldnt mind a BC lynch. zboson is more of a null read to me now. He did look scummy as fuck to me at first. then he had a bit of a townie tell and now hes back to being scummy. I wouldnt lynch him yet tho cause hes at least active.
zboson has put more time into this game then you have and has been quite open with his reads, pushed down early on one known mafia and has been aggressively pushing his opinions. He has quite clearly illustrated his alignment. The fact you are unable to see this is frightening given a player of your quality.
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On October 08 2012 08:45 risk.nuke wrote: nice case BC, I can also spend 5 minutes too call all the afk vets scummy for beeing afk. Really nice demonstration of your scumhuntingskills. And you're different how?
I'm sorry my grandmother was in the hospital and thus haven't been around to keep up with the game but hey, mafia more important am i rite?
Prove me wrong, do something productive and useful, oh wait you openly stated you don't give a shit. My bad. Compare our filters dude, when I am here I am far more productive then everyone I mentioned. Its also impressive that you are thinking I called you out for being afk. I called you out for being scummy as shit who is actively lurking and not helping. Mattchew for the same shit, and coag isn't afk. Hes useless as fuck and I know what hes capable of as town. Douchebag town coag still does scumhunting and the like, hes just a dick about it.
Still prove me wrong broski. Do something productive.
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On October 08 2012 08:45 BroodKingEXE wrote: @BC Ive found both Matt and Coag to be scummy. I personally would like to lynch Coag to draw out Matt (as I think Coag has been more scummy). Who would you lynch first/ have a bigger scumread?
I would lynch mattchew/risk/coag in that order. No one will defend coag on a scum team from my experience and he tends to just do what he wants as scum so attempting to get solid reads on his team is annoying as hell. However the people who come out in defense of either risk or mattchew or based on how they play while being up for a lynch will net more information about their team to solidify the mafia team.
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On October 08 2012 08:53 Coagulation wrote: Im not scum bc. I think your greatly over estimating my abilitys to play town well. Not to mention I got a shit role so Im not really too worried about playing the "OMG I GOTTA DO WHATEVER I CAN TO MAKE EVERYONE KNOW IM TOWN CAUSE IM BLUE"
not happening this game. I will be sure to raise hell soon as I see scum tho.
My best bet so far would be either YOU or risk
You are seriously trying to tell me that by day 3 of a mafia game, you have 0 solid reads that you'd be willing to push? Seriously? You and I both know what you just said is horseshit.
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On October 08 2012 08:59 Coagulation wrote: also your acting like we havnt had 2 confirmed scum in a row completely stagnate town discussion 2 lynch cycles in a row now. This isnt really a "standard" game in that aspect.
I expect a slightly stagnate discussion because of this, however if you look at the thread its the same people pushing the new discussion trying to keep hunting. So there are people obviously trying to make productive use of said cycles while you are fine with sitting back with your feet up waiting till someone posts on you to jump in and go "luls no im not scum" and go back to your sitting there.
Don't make excuses for your shitty play. If you want to avoid a lynch because your town and afraid you will be misslynched do something to prove your actually town. You are only looking worse with every post.
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On October 08 2012 09:06 risk.nuke wrote: You say lurking but I atleast am more simmilar to afk. I'm on a break because nothing is happening in this game, the last 40 pages are useless and might well not have existed because too many are just waiting for it to come to an end. we have our lynch and there isn't anything else to it. Too me personally I can't be bothered to make a case for the lynch 3 days from now, I can't motivate myself for that. Not to mention that after the nightflips you will have better information hence making time spent scumhunting post nightflips more effective then before the flip.
This is how I feel and that is all to it. And you might have been forced to be away and unable to scumhunt but you're here now and I'm telling you your case does not impress me the slightest. If this is the best you'll give us I'll lynch you because I know you can do alot better then those sorry lines for scumhunting.
luls. Apathy isn't a town trait when town is winning arttard. Yet here it is, a butthurt risk nuke who is apathetic while winning a game. Why so mad yo. Pissed that your team is getting raped so easily? Mad that you've had people on your case since day 1? Yet don't give enough shit to actually help town win the game, or try and stop useless conversation.
As for motivate yourself to make a case for a lynch 3 days from now? All you just said is "i don't want to have my name associated with any specific player in the off chance they flip green and im fucked"
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On October 08 2012 09:06 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 09:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 08 2012 08:59 Coagulation wrote: also your acting like we havnt had 2 confirmed scum in a row completely stagnate town discussion 2 lynch cycles in a row now. This isnt really a "standard" game in that aspect. I expect a slightly stagnate discussion because of this, however if you look at the thread its the same people pushing the new discussion trying to keep hunting. So there are people obviously trying to make productive use of said cycles while you are fine with sitting back with your feet up waiting till someone posts on you to jump in and go "luls no im not scum" and go back to your sitting there. Don't make excuses for your shitty play. If you want to avoid a lynch because your town and afraid you will be misslynched do something to prove your actually town. You are only looking worse with every post. oh please. People pushing shit doesnt mean they are fucking town in the slightest. I generally spend more time "contributing" as scum than I do as town just for that stupid misconception alone.
Actually town aligned contributions are fairly distinct from mafia aligned ones. Its not a stupid misconception, its often people can't differentiate between the two. Good try though.
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On October 08 2012 09:11 Coagulation wrote: Like honestly Its going on night 3. IF BC doesnt die hes scum. Theres no way he would be alive still if hes town. Thats pretty much gonna be my fucking lynch campaign in a nutshell.
So we should lynch you, me, VE, and sloosh as we are all the "biggest" names left and alive by day 3. Hey guys Coag solved the thread, I found the remaining scum team right here.
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On October 08 2012 09:20 Coagulation wrote: you know damn well if town BC is alive end game theres something wrong.
Sure, but is this the end game? Its day 3 dude with town doing extremely well. Hell, mafia has already tried to off me once. Should be pretty clear I'm not scum.
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On October 09 2012 04:35 Mementoss wrote:I am the Medical Examiner aka, I am the watcher, after clues got taken away my role was changed. Breadcrumb, the only breadcrumb would be I changed my quote to "mommy whats a gravedigger" cause I imagined the medical examiner digging up dead people to examine them. The other would be how I exchanged words with BC after he claimed he was shot. Okay to the more juicy stuff. Night 1: I watched BC, BC was visited by Node(Hapa) or the mafia vigilante. So he did not lie about the shot. However, he did lie about being medic protected. Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 04:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: That is the single most amusing outing of a scum I have seen since A RNG shot toad a few games ago. Shitty that you were punished for bad play Marv, but well, if it makes you feel any worse.... I survived your shot. Thank you magical man who saved my life, as I didn't want to die again before day 2. Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 04:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 04 2012 04:47 Mementoss wrote:On October 04 2012 04:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: That is the single most amusing outing of a scum I have seen since A RNG shot toad a few games ago. Shitty that you were punished for bad play Marv, but well, if it makes you feel any worse.... I survived your shot. Thank you magical man who saved my life, as I didn't want to die again before day 2. Why do you think marv shot you? I find it highly unlikely a town vig shot me over any of the other players in the game tbh. Given that I was shot and survived I assume it was the mafia and thus thanking the magical medic. Why would town lie about this? I can't think of motivation. The only reason BC would lie about this would be because he wanted to make scum think there was a medic saving his ass. Actually, the only possible way BC is town is if he is veteran, I don't see why he would lie about this as town, and just say hai guys I was shot, but I was veteran so give me some protection tonight. However, I doubt Blackmamba would take out the veteran role after one of the vets already lost his life. Also, given the fact that Mafia didn't try to shoot him again makes me 95% sure BC is the 3rd Party Night Immue Serial Killer. Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 05:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 04 2012 05:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Wait, so Risen the paramedic, another medic on BC, and, incredibly, another one @ austin, who was also shot?? Do we have three medics, does everyone buy this?? Given that no one has claimed any of the shots on the dead players, (ie no one is claiming vig) We know we have two dead vanilla's, shots on me and austin, and risen raped himself while giving us marv. We know we have mafia, and 1 third party based on setup, so 4 kp appearing isn't that unlikely I think. This quote also seems like he knows a bit too much, it implies that third party has some kp since no one is claiming vig. I would 100% lynch BC tomorrow because of this lie. That brings me to my next point. Mafia knew BC was third party after night 1. Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 09:08 Hapahauli wrote: Guys guys guys.
Don't lynch BC - he's a 3rd Party Role Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 09:11 Hapahauli wrote:On October 08 2012 09:09 Coagulation wrote: How the fuck do you know hes third party? On October 05 2012 10:57 marvellosity wrote: Seriously guys, BloodyC0bbler. I expect specific thanks from all of you later in the game. It's actually really obvious. Last minute ploys by dead mafia players to get the lynch on the third party to try and save members of their team or just to put WIFOM not to kill BC. We can use this now known knowledge to our advantage. Anyone who has been pushing BC hard after night 1 without much reason, or seems like they know too much, is scum. They are scum looking for some town cred for leading a lynch on anti town. Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 09:47 kushm4sta wrote: bc is scum. bc lied about getting shot. zboson is also scum. ve is also scum. these are my current thoughts. ##unfos coag Case later. This post rubbed me the wrong way. BC is scum because he lied about getting shot, yet kushm4ster has no evidence to prove BC lieing about being shot. He is using this as his only reasoning. Also Marv, hard defended this guy, almost single handedly getting a wagon off him with a meta case. Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 23:33 marvellosity wrote:kush as townie: On September 03 2012 18:47 kushm4sta wrote: So it seems like the consensus is to lynch either cubu or kville. Anyone not feel this way? Even if they aren't mafia they are solid policy lynches. Now the question is which one. Kville is the bigger lurker, but I think there is a higher possibility for cubu to actually be mafia. Honestly cubu probably isn't mafia either, just because I think mafia would put more effort into their posts. Lynching one of these guys is better than lynching someone who is active though. So my vote is still on cubu. Will vote for policy lynches just fine, check Calls Cubu probably not mafia but is happy to have his vote on him, check Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 23:57 marvellosity wrote: Good luck rationalising kush's play from any perspective. As in the post-game to my most recent newbie game, Hapahauli pointed out the significant difference in his town/scum play - his attitude. I'm nowhere near convinced his attitude this game is his scum attitude.
I could see kushm4sta as scum. Night 2: I watched sloosh and nothing happened. I wish the night deadline was earlier so I could do this last minute and get one last watch. But hopefully this will prove to be useful. Since I was shit all game and I'm sorry lol. But yeah look back after night 1/2 and see people that seemed to have a switch of thoughts on BC or knew too much. Because scum knew BC was 3rd party pretty early. I wish I could be more helpful but I haven't been doing enough reading into the game. I would say lynch BC > lynch kushm4ster TLDR; BloodyC0bblerkushm4stap
You are correct, I did claim medic prot to avoid getting shot again. Given that I only have 1 extra night life. Not sure why everyone keeps coming at me about being a third party but since your reasoning for your conclusion is wrong I will sum it up for you. Miller was removed from this game, the miller role was named "veteran". The actual veteran role however was not removed from the game. I am Lucky Citizen .
Whats even worse is that you assumed I was a third party serial killer. If you watched me you would have seen me visited and me go out and do something had I had a night action. Given that you knew that I had not visited anyone, and that I was visited you should realize the only logical conclusion is that I am town. You base your conclusion on false information as well as trusting two dead mafia.
Not sure what to say here other then you are a horribly bad townie or mafia desperately attempting to remove me from the game.
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