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On September 05 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 09:51 BlackMamba24 wrote: GoodKarma - are you going to vote for mattchew right now?
GoodKarma is scum for this reason - he says that mattchew is confirmed scum but then doesn't vote for him and tries to push suspicion onto me instead, appeals to BC (buddying up to a vet, classic newbie scum)
basically the same as treehugger or whoever in tl mafia xxx who says "yeah youngminii is scum for sure but im not gonna vote for him and instead make a case on this random dude" The strange thing is that he buddied up to me and not to BC. Hell it's pretty clear from his post that he didn't read the thread, given his stances on Grush and lvdr.
Good Karma is the same person who said earlier that I was a lurker and called drH out for his vote on me (luls it was actually a valid vote at the time) then after a few posts said I wasn't a 1 line post semi lurker.
He obviously doesn't know who the players are in this game who have been around awhile. Nor does he appear to read the thread at all. It just shows a level of just general uncaring while appearing active.
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On September 05 2012 09:55 BlackMamba24 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote:On September 05 2012 09:51 BlackMamba24 wrote: GoodKarma - are you going to vote for mattchew right now?
GoodKarma is scum for this reason - he says that mattchew is confirmed scum but then doesn't vote for him and tries to push suspicion onto me instead, appeals to BC (buddying up to a vet, classic newbie scum)
basically the same as treehugger or whoever in tl mafia xxx who says "yeah youngminii is scum for sure but im not gonna vote for him and instead make a case on this random dude" The strange thing is that he buddied up to me and not to BC. Hell it's pretty clear from his post that he didn't read the thread, given his stances on Grush and lvdr. and ignoring ottox by buddying to BC I mean he's taking his side in a sense post comes off as totally constructed and edited like BC said, this dude is scum
Also if he had time to make his post, you think he would stick around at least for 30ish minutes and see what was going on / keep posting to avoid being one of those semi lurkers like he called out a bunch of people for. Instead he just seems to have jet. If he starts responding in the next few minutes I will be less annoyed or suspicious of him but seriously, if he doesn't have a damn good reason for not voting like a giant block of text post responding to a ton of us, guy has got to follow mattchew to the gallows.
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On September 05 2012 09:58 Rewok wrote: Sorry guys, basically meant this: Instead of just bringing up targets in passing, let's actually focus on it. Like, what's our priority here? My fav scum read right now is Ottox because of how hard he fought for Mattchew, even after the proof was up.
Plus, he spreads a fair amount of dissent - I see his names in multiple filters. He'd be my reco for D1 / N1. But if someone has a better reason for someone else, we should talk about this. Think about it: if we get two kills day one (two GOOD kills) we're looking at a huge advantage.
If we snag one red in d1 lynch we are looking realllllly good. If vigi's shoot accurately we will be insanely good. Right now we have found someone I would say is good for a lynch / vig shot.
However. I dislike trying to organize a blue vig shot at this moment in time. Why? Because as people discuss it and get into the heat of it it can out our blues. People who have roles post in such manners you can get an idea of their role or if they have one. I would like to avoid giving mafia free blue shots N1.
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On September 05 2012 09:59 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 09:48 BlackMamba24 wrote:On September 05 2012 09:47 Ottoxlol wrote:On September 05 2012 09:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 05 2012 09:32 Ottoxlol wrote:On September 05 2012 09:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 05 2012 09:17 Ottoxlol wrote: I just don't get it. Why is it simpler to fuck up as scum? Tell me "kid". I went into the whole hypotethical thing because I was discussing why would a nonscum Matt fake-claim. So why would a scum Matt fake-claim? if this was a selfaware miller game, a tracker could very well track him n1 then if he's scum it would be revealed. Think of it this way. It was a question never answered by Palmar in thread. Now, most people (even if self aware miller) tend to not claim as even if they do claim people tend to not take them seriously unless a group of them does it. Now, when one person claims, you can gauge the towns reaction and then to prove that millers are self aware the scum team slowly "claims". Basically you can have an entire team or 2-3 people out themselves in this manner and be given a full get out of lynch free card should the people they visit die for a night or two. This may not seem to be much but it means later on in the game people start arguing about if the claims are legit, are only some of them legit, etc.... It makes no sense for town to fakeclaim but in an setup that was so ambiguous it would be a brilliant move if you could pull it off. My only frustration is I could have potentially snagged more than just him had I waited longer before calling him out. why would they get out of any lynch if someone they visited died? 2-3 people claim nosy. Tracker or watcher sees one of them go to someone who dies. They claimed nosy, we accepted the claim as legit. It means an entire day will be spent clusterfucked around who did what or the like. As they claim nosy, if its accepted near no tracker will check them so only a watcher will see them and if he sees 2 people visit someone who dies the non claimer will be the one killed. Even if you figure out that 1 person lied, you won't know if the others did as we have no idea on the setup numbers. As such the likelyhood of town offing them is insanely lowered unless they get bad luck by being seen by a watcher where only they visit x player. Watcher see 2 ppl over a dead body, one of them claimed noisy. lynch the other, if he flips not red vig/rb the fake noisy Which is the same thing that would happen if he was a blue fakeclaiming nosy isn't it? Unless he has a visiting role there's no reason to claim nosy neighbor like that and your scenario still applies. No one is denying that what he did was stupid but I've seen scum do much dumber things than this So we agree it was dumb. Now tell me how come everyone thinks it is a dumb scum play, not a dumb assa or blue? Don't forget he asked the other millers to claim. That can work as assassin for instance. Or baiting a scum RB to claim? IDK. All I know it gave scum a very easy D1, some ppl attacking others for defending Matt, but ignoring me. What is that about?
You look horrible for your defense of matt, however you keep saying near universally the same crap over and over. You have been responded to multiple times and now just look even worse. The only reason I think you could possibly be town is I think if you were red your team would have told you to quit it by now.
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On September 05 2012 10:03 BlackMamba24 wrote: Hey, BC, you knew from the beginning that because you were the only one with that information that I was really just an incredulous town right?
Yep. I would have reacted near identically to you if roles were reversed.
I knew damn well what I was doing and how it looked by seriously I could not let that shit fly. I know damn well if our roles were reversed you would out him just as I did to avoid a potential clusterfuck of a game later / letting mafia slip by with an easy fakeclaim.
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On September 05 2012 10:06 BlackMamba24 wrote: I see. I want you to know that if shit hits the fan and mattchew is blue/black, that i have you completely figured out.
Eh? If he flips blue I am going to rip him a new one after game. If he flips black I will be surprised as hell but could understand taking that risk. However his reaction since being proven a liar suggests red. I cannot believe a townie or third party would just give up at this point.
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On September 05 2012 10:07 Rewok wrote: @Hap - I voted for him ten pages ago. No change in heart.
@BC - I agree. We got a good D1 going on. That's a fair point, too. My bad. I didn't think this through all the way. I wasn't going to post at all - I guess I should stick with that instinct haha.
No posting is always better. If you don't post you just come off as a lurker skirting a modkill for inactivity and that behaviour does not benefit town at all. Townies have no reason to fear posting as even if they make "mistakes", mafia tend to take the opportunity to take an easy lynch and roll with it, etc... and out themselves. Townies need to post to help catch scum and force them to play at our pace not us play at theirs.
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On September 06 2012 07:17 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 07:03 Bill Murray wrote: Ottox you care to make a top 3 scumread like I have? sorry to say you need vigged, but it'd be better if you would stop posting, or actually.. you know... do some work by reading filters and making logical cases ...wow this looks like coaching. I see... I see... maybe I should ease up on my suspicion of Forumite.
Scum could easily just be playing the lurker game this game, but if that's the case, let 'em sit back while players like BC and Toad get confirmed. Toad is scum. Hapahauli confirmed my suspicions by his last post, he's purposely trying to skew the discussion. I think these two are defending their mates by not letting the Matt discussion go on -> the other 2 possibly are lurkers who voted on Matt with no real content. imallinson Z-BosoN Shady Sands DarthPunk ShiaoPi BlackMamba24 goodkarma all voted Matt after Palmar's announcment and provide little to no reasoning. Bad town or scum can easily be among them
See I am not sure if anyone else caught this as I am still reading / catching up but no where in the OP does it tell me that I can see how many red's there are. As in town doesn't know how big the mafia team is.
By telling us that happa + toad are defending matt and the other two are lurkers means you KNOW THERE ARE 5.
So, I say we off you next.
If Palmar said the exact scum team numbers somewhere I have missed I apologize for my outburst and will find other people to hang.
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On September 06 2012 07:42 BlackMamba24 wrote:Here we go, I at least need an answer from BC here. I'm probably dead tonight so I gotta post what I can. If mafia keeps me alive to lynch me later, they're dumb. BloodyC0bbler - Changes his opinion of m and then lies about it. . First accuses me of being Mattchew's scumbuddy, then later claims he knew I was town all along and would have done the same thing. When he first claimed Mattchew was lying, he was belligerent toward other townies and even claimed I was Mattchew's scumbuddy. One question on my mind was "why is it that BC knew Mattchew was lying before anyone else?" e also used his first post to call him out. Nothing before that. Scum would of course be the first people expected to ask any role/setup questions along with blues, but blues usually only ask about their own roles. If it weren't for the inconsistency in his perception of my alignment (softly accusing me, unnecessary if he is town who thinks i'm town, then goes to "yeah I knew you were town from the beginning") I would assume he was a tracker. If he's a tracker, I've just outed him to the scum now but he's going to be hit target #1 regardless so it doesn't really matter tbh. I just want BC to answer to this. We know how he got the information, it seems an awfully strange question to ask before posting unless you saw his claim before you entered the thread and wanted to make sure. But surely you'd have something else to comment on? If it's a bus, it's a good bus. So consider that just pressure. I don't think BC or anyone is cleared by this flip. I've seen scum do buses like this and in fact I've orchestrated them myself. If mafia planned on bussing Mattchew previously it makes sense that BC's first post would be a call out. I really just want BC to answer about that inconsistency with regards to my alignment.
He claimed a Role that in every game I have that has normal setup type is not claimable. I double checked the OP and saw that it didn't say they were self aware but that virtually everyone in the thread to that point had accepted the claim more or less at face value. I saw near no one combatting the claim and more asking why he wanted others to claim. I then felt something was horribly off. Got the information I needed and acted. As you have seen thus far in this game and if you take a quick gander over to PtP3 I am like a dog with a bone when I think I have something I have found something scummy.
I do understand why you are asking me questions but drH the reason I was annoyed at you specifically at the time is you are one of the few players I assumed would understand how I got my info then doublecheck to make sure I wasn't totally full of shit, as if I was I'd have instantly outed myself and kept your argument up way to long before checking. However once cooling down I realized that I would have behaved near identically if I was anyone having to deal with what you all did with my call out.
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On September 05 2012 05:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 05:41 Gravan wrote: This post is passive and is just here to give you guys some information about me.
I am reading through all the filters and will be making a real contributive post sometime soon. I haven't been keeping up with this thread as well as I ought to have. For some reason, I can't seem to access the voting link from my phone - I am trying to work out when the vote is due, but I will be submitting one in a few hours after reading and pondering, once I get back to my computer. I hope I am not missing a deadline because I really would not like to be modkilled so early on.
I am done traveling after today, so I will be properly active very shortly. Sorry for lurking and not contributing.
Again, sorry for the spam, hello and expect to start hearing from me. You have one cycle. If you fail to contribute into the night period you should be vigi'd for not following through on your promise. All vigi's / hatters mark this target, if he fails to contribute please deal with him.
so its been over 24 hours since this post and in that time he has made 3 posts, both of which were yesterday, IE when he wouldn't be traveling and has made 0 contributions since. His other two posts are both filler IMO and do not offer solid contributions. HE EVEN LEAVES HIS LAST POST WITH THIS LINE
"Sleep time for me now; I'll actually have some rest by tomorrow and won't be travelling."
So for a well rested person not moving around alot. His posting is horrific. I believe he is also a good vig shot or lynch for tommorrow.
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On September 06 2012 09:06 BlackMamba24 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 09:04 DoYouHas wrote:Now that we are sure about Matt, I think I have found scum in Hopeless1der. Hopeless and Broodking are the two people who posted cases on people other than Mattchew (Forumite and Toad, respectively) in the time period between when BC's attack and Palmar's confirmation. This I think is a very important period of time because the uncertainty of the town on how to deal with BC and Matt makes it the best time for scum to try and divert the wagon of their scumbuddy. Both Hopeless and Brood's cases could have been made with that intent, but I see Hopeless as scum easier than I see Brood. Brood had expressed his distaste for Toad earlier in the game and just doesn't fit the reluctant busser as well as Hopeless. I have already taken issue with some of his case on Forumite Here. But when you combine his case with the post he made a page earlier. You have to admit that it looks awfully like he is attacking BC (the main proponent of a Matt lynch) and then trying to divert to another target. Not convinced this is what he was doing? Here is the first line of his case on Forumite: On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite:
Moving on to his "voteswitch" On September 04 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote: 1.I never actually did vote in the first place, but anyways:
##Unvote: Forumite ##Vote: Mattchew 2.Reasoning: See the entire fucking thread. 1. - He never did vote Forumite. this reads to me exactly like he was trying to use his case to divert the Matt bandwagon, and after Palmar confirmed the fakeclaim, is trying to save face. (Funny how nobody seems to call him out for this voteswitch despite searching for defenders of Matt.) 2. - He doesn't seem to happy to be switching to a guaranteed fakeclaim that is very likely scum right here, odd.
After Hopeless' vote has settled onto Mattchew I note 2 more things that read scummy to me. First, in these two posts (1)(2) Hopeless jumps at the chance to be the information provider, a very easy way to 'contribute' and with someone as inactive as Hopeless a definite scumtell. Second, On September 05 2012 07:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
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The whole point of his case is that you pushing DP wasn't a real scum read, it was errant Day 1 bullshit. Which most of the thread was at that point. I still think he's scummy because that's a shitty case at the time it arose, but it's reasonably consistent, despite the misinformation. This waffley statement is definitely something I would expect from scum.
To sum up, I think Hopeless1der fits a reluctant busser that is trying to slide by extremely well and I want to lynch him ASAP. we should lynch doyouhas too, this is a post that was definitely posted in the scum qt a few times my intuition is flaring up like crazy over this
I would say the biggest reason I could agree with you here is he has lurked so fing hard then appeared to post this. Also I would like to point out sloosh is likely scum for his insane lack of posting with 0 explanation combined with his near 0 effort to help the town. In his 3 posts he has had since coming back into the thread after over 24 hours of absence he has said
On September 06 2012 07:35 slOosh wrote: Cool. I think now is a good time for me to meander back into the thread and talk about good vig / lynch targets.
This to me screams that he doesn't actually give a shit about this game. Meandering is a really bad word choice as its a essentially lazy movement. Given that the town Sloosh is generally a fairly hardworking and not lazy person this speaks horribly of him. He also rather than discussing ANY OF THE POSTS in the day and a bit he was gone, he wants to talk about good vig targets or future lynches....
WHY DOESNT HE GIVE HIS READS OR HIS TOP SCUM CALL WITH THIS. He was gone for long enough he should be posting gems of information but instead shows a complete lack of concern or any form of town leaning.
On September 06 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote: Everyone shut up about Ottoxlol and let him cool down. There are much better targets, i.e. people who lurked the whole time after dropping their singular vote. I.e. DYH. And that maverick guy comes to mind.
Fact is (most likely) that scum got caught with their pants down and panicked. You can probably pick off some scum from the voting frenzy after Palmar's announcement. Then it would be incredibly uncomfortable to start talking about scum buddy Mattchew, so you do next best thing, which is lurk.
He now tells people to get off a player for no real reason, says we should look at people who lurked and dropped a vote then passes off two names. He spent enough time this game to find two people who fit this criteria yet doesn't even explain his own inactivity. Sloosh basically did the exact same thing the people he called out did.
His next post is a defense post that says near nothing important. The first two posts since his return have in no way helped the town in any way. Given that I have seen him be a beast as town this is inexcusable.
Sloosh for scum Ottoxlol for scum as well. Gravan for scum.
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On September 06 2012 09:16 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 09:06 BlackMamba24 wrote:On September 06 2012 09:04 DoYouHas wrote:Now that we are sure about Matt, I think I have found scum in Hopeless1der. Hopeless and Broodking are the two people who posted cases on people other than Mattchew (Forumite and Toad, respectively) in the time period between when BC's attack and Palmar's confirmation. This I think is a very important period of time because the uncertainty of the town on how to deal with BC and Matt makes it the best time for scum to try and divert the wagon of their scumbuddy. Both Hopeless and Brood's cases could have been made with that intent, but I see Hopeless as scum easier than I see Brood. Brood had expressed his distaste for Toad earlier in the game and just doesn't fit the reluctant busser as well as Hopeless. I have already taken issue with some of his case on Forumite Here. But when you combine his case with the post he made a page earlier. You have to admit that it looks awfully like he is attacking BC (the main proponent of a Matt lynch) and then trying to divert to another target. Not convinced this is what he was doing? Here is the first line of his case on Forumite: On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite:
Moving on to his "voteswitch" On September 04 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote: 1.I never actually did vote in the first place, but anyways:
##Unvote: Forumite ##Vote: Mattchew 2.Reasoning: See the entire fucking thread. 1. - He never did vote Forumite. this reads to me exactly like he was trying to use his case to divert the Matt bandwagon, and after Palmar confirmed the fakeclaim, is trying to save face. (Funny how nobody seems to call him out for this voteswitch despite searching for defenders of Matt.) 2. - He doesn't seem to happy to be switching to a guaranteed fakeclaim that is very likely scum right here, odd.
After Hopeless' vote has settled onto Mattchew I note 2 more things that read scummy to me. First, in these two posts (1)(2) Hopeless jumps at the chance to be the information provider, a very easy way to 'contribute' and with someone as inactive as Hopeless a definite scumtell. Second, On September 05 2012 07:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
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The whole point of his case is that you pushing DP wasn't a real scum read, it was errant Day 1 bullshit. Which most of the thread was at that point. I still think he's scummy because that's a shitty case at the time it arose, but it's reasonably consistent, despite the misinformation. This waffley statement is definitely something I would expect from scum.
To sum up, I think Hopeless1der fits a reluctant busser that is trying to slide by extremely well and I want to lynch him ASAP. we should lynch doyouhas too, this is a post that was definitely posted in the scum qt a few times my intuition is flaring up like crazy over this Your intuition is wrong. You should look into my past games before you make a gut read like this.
It took you a day to make that giant analysis post? You had nothing to say in that entire time? Given how much you aren't posting and your previous posts in this game you posted something that looks heavily tailored.
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On September 06 2012 09:27 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 09:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 06 2012 09:16 DoYouHas wrote:On September 06 2012 09:06 BlackMamba24 wrote:On September 06 2012 09:04 DoYouHas wrote:Now that we are sure about Matt, I think I have found scum in Hopeless1der. Hopeless and Broodking are the two people who posted cases on people other than Mattchew (Forumite and Toad, respectively) in the time period between when BC's attack and Palmar's confirmation. This I think is a very important period of time because the uncertainty of the town on how to deal with BC and Matt makes it the best time for scum to try and divert the wagon of their scumbuddy. Both Hopeless and Brood's cases could have been made with that intent, but I see Hopeless as scum easier than I see Brood. Brood had expressed his distaste for Toad earlier in the game and just doesn't fit the reluctant busser as well as Hopeless. I have already taken issue with some of his case on Forumite Here. But when you combine his case with the post he made a page earlier. You have to admit that it looks awfully like he is attacking BC (the main proponent of a Matt lynch) and then trying to divert to another target. Not convinced this is what he was doing? Here is the first line of his case on Forumite: On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite:
Moving on to his "voteswitch" On September 04 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote: 1.I never actually did vote in the first place, but anyways:
##Unvote: Forumite ##Vote: Mattchew 2.Reasoning: See the entire fucking thread. 1. - He never did vote Forumite. this reads to me exactly like he was trying to use his case to divert the Matt bandwagon, and after Palmar confirmed the fakeclaim, is trying to save face. (Funny how nobody seems to call him out for this voteswitch despite searching for defenders of Matt.) 2. - He doesn't seem to happy to be switching to a guaranteed fakeclaim that is very likely scum right here, odd.
After Hopeless' vote has settled onto Mattchew I note 2 more things that read scummy to me. First, in these two posts (1)(2) Hopeless jumps at the chance to be the information provider, a very easy way to 'contribute' and with someone as inactive as Hopeless a definite scumtell. Second, On September 05 2012 07:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
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The whole point of his case is that you pushing DP wasn't a real scum read, it was errant Day 1 bullshit. Which most of the thread was at that point. I still think he's scummy because that's a shitty case at the time it arose, but it's reasonably consistent, despite the misinformation. This waffley statement is definitely something I would expect from scum.
To sum up, I think Hopeless1der fits a reluctant busser that is trying to slide by extremely well and I want to lynch him ASAP. we should lynch doyouhas too, this is a post that was definitely posted in the scum qt a few times my intuition is flaring up like crazy over this Your intuition is wrong. You should look into my past games before you make a gut read like this. It took you a day to make that giant analysis post? You had nothing to say in that entire time? Given how much you aren't posting and your previous posts in this game you posted something that looks heavily tailored. I've been thinking about Hopeless for a while now, but I was waiting for Matt's flip to put together the case (it wouldn't have held much water if he had flipped town). And yes, I am a slowish reader and it takes me hours to put together cases. I tailor them quite a bit. I understand you don't like me lurking. But at least address my case.
Not horrific considering I have my own reservations about him. Primarily his activity levels. However I also find it very unlikely that it took you this long to write up a case then refused to post it as you waited for mattchews flip. By admitting you tailor it alot then waited to post it for mattchews flip its almost as if you knew for certainty what he would flip and thus waited to avoid being suspicious. You also aimed for a player who has a very short filter and is incredibly easy to analyze.
So the case while not bad is not good in the same light. If you keep posting and contributing my reservations on you will go away, and my view of your case far higher aside from "convenient"
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Also yea, toad has it right. You case for the most part doesn't really require mattchew being red.
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Boson, Ottoxlol still has to respond to me how he came up with 5 red as the team size. Its not in the OP and no mod has come into thread clarifying thus it is unlikely they have decided how to respond to it yet.
Basically, as you guys all know how I caught mattchew day 1? Well until a mod comes in and clears him by saying the mafia # is something not 5 hes mafia. As of right now, the only people who have the actual mafia size # are mafia thus I believe it was an unintentional slip by him, but one that is unsurprising giving the heat he was taking.
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On September 06 2012 08:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 07:17 Ottoxlol wrote:On September 06 2012 07:03 Bill Murray wrote: Ottox you care to make a top 3 scumread like I have? sorry to say you need vigged, but it'd be better if you would stop posting, or actually.. you know... do some work by reading filters and making logical cases ...wow this looks like coaching. I see... I see... maybe I should ease up on my suspicion of Forumite.
Scum could easily just be playing the lurker game this game, but if that's the case, let 'em sit back while players like BC and Toad get confirmed. Toad is scum. Hapahauli confirmed my suspicions by his last post, he's purposely trying to skew the discussion. I think these two are defending their mates by not letting the Matt discussion go on -> the other 2 possibly are lurkers who voted on Matt with no real content. imallinson Z-BosoN Shady Sands DarthPunk ShiaoPi BlackMamba24 goodkarma all voted Matt after Palmar's announcment and provide little to no reasoning. Bad town or scum can easily be among them See I am not sure if anyone else caught this as I am still reading / catching up but no where in the OP does it tell me that I can see how many red's there are. As in town doesn't know how big the mafia team is. By telling us that happa + toad are defending matt and the other two are lurkers means you KNOW THERE ARE 5. So, I say we off you next. If Palmar said the exact scum team numbers somewhere I have missed I apologize for my outburst and will find other people to hang.
For those who missed it the first time.
He clearly states happa + toad are trying to defend their "mates" or in this case "mate" by trying to drop the matt discussion. This is 3 reds. He then states the other 2 mafia are lurkers who voted with no real content then generically lists a bunch of lurkers and DrH who has been one of the most active players in the game.
But he told us 5. 2 defending 1 and then 2 in a group of lurkers. It wasn't I think there are two more or anything. he clearly outlines 2 defending their scumbuddy by shutting down conversation (lul as that wasnt the reason they argued with him) and 2 in lurkers.
Guy outright mislabeled one of the most active players calling him a "lurker" and outed the mafia team # as 5.
Burn him with fire.
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On September 06 2012 09:55 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 09:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 06 2012 08:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 06 2012 07:17 Ottoxlol wrote:On September 06 2012 07:03 Bill Murray wrote: Ottox you care to make a top 3 scumread like I have? sorry to say you need vigged, but it'd be better if you would stop posting, or actually.. you know... do some work by reading filters and making logical cases ...wow this looks like coaching. I see... I see... maybe I should ease up on my suspicion of Forumite.
Scum could easily just be playing the lurker game this game, but if that's the case, let 'em sit back while players like BC and Toad get confirmed. Toad is scum. Hapahauli confirmed my suspicions by his last post, he's purposely trying to skew the discussion. I think these two are defending their mates by not letting the Matt discussion go on -> the other 2 possibly are lurkers who voted on Matt with no real content. imallinson Z-BosoN Shady Sands DarthPunk ShiaoPi BlackMamba24 goodkarma all voted Matt after Palmar's announcment and provide little to no reasoning. Bad town or scum can easily be among them See I am not sure if anyone else caught this as I am still reading / catching up but no where in the OP does it tell me that I can see how many red's there are. As in town doesn't know how big the mafia team is. By telling us that happa + toad are defending matt and the other two are lurkers means you KNOW THERE ARE 5. So, I say we off you next. If Palmar said the exact scum team numbers somewhere I have missed I apologize for my outburst and will find other people to hang. For those who missed it the first time. He clearly states happa + toad are trying to defend their "mates" or in this case "mate" by trying to drop the matt discussion. This is 3 reds. He then states the other 2 mafia are lurkers who voted with no real content then generically lists a bunch of lurkers and DrH who has been one of the most active players in the game. But he told us 5. 2 defending 1 and then 2 in a group of lurkers. It wasn't I think there are two more or anything. he clearly outlines 2 defending their scumbuddy by shutting down conversation (lul as that wasnt the reason they argued with him) and 2 in lurkers. Guy outright mislabeled one of the most active players calling him a "lurker" and outed the mafia team # as 5. Burn him with fire. Damn BC you're on a roll, though that slip isn't 100% confirmed mafia but adding that with the other bs he said definitely scum.
Well, it isn't 100% confirmed mafia, but given that it is not information town is able to currently have it seems horrific for otto. I mean if Town are not able to have this information, why the hell did he use wording that heavily suggests he knows the #.
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On September 06 2012 09:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: BC says the same thing i'm saying about how he lied about my arguments/activity level but I guess when he says it people agree
whatever
@boson my main case against ottox is him not pushing his reads and completely ignoring peoples arguments/logic while pushing his defense which is exactly what suggests that he has a preconceived agenda
no one is gonna listen to me in this game so ill keep doing what i'vebeen doing which is make a point, wait for BC to repeat it so that everyone suddenly agrees lol
yo smurf man, get on your smurf.
Also everything DrH has said is correct IMO on otto. Just read his posts please. I really do not feel like having to repeat things intelligent players are saying as you guys refuse to read their shit.
Given that at this point in time drH and I have done near the most to prove we are town I honestly think people should properly be reading our posts.
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On September 06 2012 09:59 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 09:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 06 2012 08:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 06 2012 07:17 Ottoxlol wrote:On September 06 2012 07:03 Bill Murray wrote: Ottox you care to make a top 3 scumread like I have? sorry to say you need vigged, but it'd be better if you would stop posting, or actually.. you know... do some work by reading filters and making logical cases ...wow this looks like coaching. I see... I see... maybe I should ease up on my suspicion of Forumite.
Scum could easily just be playing the lurker game this game, but if that's the case, let 'em sit back while players like BC and Toad get confirmed. Toad is scum. Hapahauli confirmed my suspicions by his last post, he's purposely trying to skew the discussion. I think these two are defending their mates by not letting the Matt discussion go on -> the other 2 possibly are lurkers who voted on Matt with no real content. imallinson Z-BosoN Shady Sands DarthPunk ShiaoPi BlackMamba24 goodkarma all voted Matt after Palmar's announcment and provide little to no reasoning. Bad town or scum can easily be among them See I am not sure if anyone else caught this as I am still reading / catching up but no where in the OP does it tell me that I can see how many red's there are. As in town doesn't know how big the mafia team is. By telling us that happa + toad are defending matt and the other two are lurkers means you KNOW THERE ARE 5. So, I say we off you next. If Palmar said the exact scum team numbers somewhere I have missed I apologize for my outburst and will find other people to hang. For those who missed it the first time. He clearly states happa + toad are trying to defend their "mates" or in this case "mate" by trying to drop the matt discussion. This is 3 reds. He then states the other 2 mafia are lurkers who voted with no real content then generically lists a bunch of lurkers and DrH who has been one of the most active players in the game. But he told us 5. 2 defending 1 and then 2 in a group of lurkers. It wasn't I think there are two more or anything. he clearly outlines 2 defending their scumbuddy by shutting down conversation (lul as that wasnt the reason they argued with him) and 2 in lurkers. Guy outright mislabeled one of the most active players calling him a "lurker" and outed the mafia team # as 5. Burn him with fire. Perhaps I'm reading this wrong, but isn't he suggesting 4 mafia members in that post? At the time he made that post, I was under the impression that he thought Mattchew was town.
Disagree. He clearly states defending their mates by not allowing the discussion to go on. The only person the discussion "defended" was mattchew. You nor toad were from what I read were defending a ton of people by shutting down that conversation, you were trying to stop dealing with a troll. The only person who was being defended in that entire conversation (by otto) was mattchew.
We know mattchew was red, he gave 2 people ahead 2 people behind. I honestly believe its a scumslip I could have horribly misread it and if so I am certain more than you will inform me as such, however take this and apply it to everything said about otto by players like drH. Do you honestly see him otto as town? Can you explain his behaviour at all as something a town member would do. I sure as hell can't.
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On September 06 2012 10:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 10:03 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 06 2012 09:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: BC says the same thing i'm saying about how he lied about my arguments/activity level but I guess when he says it people agree
whatever
@boson my main case against ottox is him not pushing his reads and completely ignoring peoples arguments/logic while pushing his defense which is exactly what suggests that he has a preconceived agenda
no one is gonna listen to me in this game so ill keep doing what i'vebeen doing which is make a point, wait for BC to repeat it so that everyone suddenly agrees lol
Wtf?? He introduced a totally different argument!! Are you even reading right now? I got that from your post and I said those were supporting arguments but not enough to say omfg let's lynch him, due to my experience with SolarSail. However, the scumslip pointed out by BC is subtle and very VERY likely for a scum under pressure to make. the 5 mafia slip is the least important part of the whole thing because even I just assumed there were 5 scum, in fact idr if i posted it but i might have posted a scumteam guess that was exactly 5
I was assuming between 5 and 6 myself. The issue being its an assumption. You and I both know that word choice on information you aren't certain of but is gotten via setup types in the past or "this is how I would balance this game" or the like is something that normally carries through. Do I think it is the worst thing otto has done? No, but as grush said. Apply it to everything else he has said, apply it to when he said it (ie right after everyone started pressuring him as opposed to arguing with him) and it feels horrifically off.
Trust me, I agree with your reasoning as well I just see that as the item that puts him at guarenteed scum. Hell the guy has just ditched thread completely more or less when the pressure hit him.
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