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On August 26 2012 22:38 JingleHell wrote: Hey kids, sorry for inactivity yesterday. Got lazy and went on a rather insane LoL spree.
I did not, in fact, use supersonic on Mattchew again, I'll mention a specific target if that target claims something and it's relevant.
Anyways, nothing in my role PM suggests that Mattchew should still be feeling any effects of the N1 Supersonic, so yeah.
Entirely plausible one of too many powers got in the way.
Misder, if you're going to accuse my play of being anti-town, maybe you should have some play of your own first.
I think because your power has the possibility of being so anti-town if used on the wrong people that you should be telling the thread who you targetted each night and the reasoning behind it, so we can maybe try to piece together some things from the night.
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On August 26 2012 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I think Bugs was mafia hit. I can't think of anyone off the top of my head who really thought he was scum, and given enough information I think he would have been dangerous to the scumteam later. That was a tactical scum hit that screwed Bugs over.
That leaves the question: was it strictly because he would have been dangerous later, or was it because he was on the right track?
Mr. Wiggles being still alive is pretty strange - considering the resistance to his lynch IN SPITE of the BC kill, it seems to me that he'd be an even more attractive kill than Bugs even playing lurky.
Today I want to lynch between Misder and Mr. Wiggles.
I'll put something together when I have time - I'm going out tonight, and won't have access to a computer.
Still waiting for this.
It scares me that VE has 2 more pages of filter than me, yet I don't recall him being a part of any important discussions during the game nor do I remember much of anything he said. o_0
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On August 24 2012 08:12 VisceraEyes wrote: JingleHell officially giving me the willies. I wish Misder would come back.
I'm putting something together and will be back in a while.
Just like this never happened either lol
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On August 27 2012 07:31 HiroPro wrote: hm, wiggles sounds legitimately annoyed. Can't decide whether to kill biosc or misder, drrrr.
##Unvote
What are your thoughts on VE /dirkzor
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Claims off top of my head
Mattchew: Pikachu Vig Zephridd: Medic Kurumi: Butterfree VT Laser
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no discussion who should I vote
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On August 28 2012 03:14 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 03:12 Mementoss wrote: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
no discussion who should I vote Misder
Why did you lie about being butterfree
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Why did wiggles come in just to have his speech of why people shouldnt vote him but never talked about any one being scum
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On August 28 2012 03:40 austinmcc wrote:First off, can the person who created the role for Magnemite please confirm that Supersonic confuses the target and redirects its action to a random pokemon? Specifically the "confuse" portion of that. Role/Ability ClaimsZephirdd (Unknown pokemon, "medic" role) - + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote: How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"?
Also I am a medic. Go figure. I'm still a medic and I'll still protect someone tonight, don't worry. Also, I may have claimed medic because I knew the strategy would be spoiled so scum would never shoot me WHAT NOW SCUM HUH COME ON SHOOT ME ohwait you will not WIFOMWIFOWMIFOM TAKE IT SCUM anyway
and possibly Pretty sure our bulletproof medic protected someone who evolved. Kurumi (Caterpie/Metapod, unknown power) - + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 07:49 Kurumi wrote: Also my role could singlehandedly imbalance game in someone's favour just fyi My role is maybe two tiers above Oracle I have only one power this sucks I am Butterfly and I can roleblock people and remove their resistances in one action. I am an useless role for town. My power is pure scum power. If I was a Framer with cancel resistance my power would be on par with Oracle. Maybe I will be able to roleblock a dangerous individual. I am not a vig , dt or medic for fucks sake , I am a roleblocker cancelling resistances. Nah I lied about my role to help Drazerk Also I am Caterpie. Sue me. I am braindead so I forgot that Draz made my role and I am the laser guy lol Drazerk (Unknown bug type, can use "sunny day") - + Show Spoiler +I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it Concerning the power he created, presumably Kurumi's Claiming who you made the role for OR what your role is will result in you being turned into a VT - This is multi target infinite use with no drawbacks (ok one minor drawback but lol who cares about that when you have an unstoppable VT laser(They will never know about it even though it is in effect right now))
It took a lot of arguments to get this role into the game but there is only one way around the power that I can't divulge but should be obvious if it is triggered however those already effected won't be able to do anything about it sadly
##Sunny Day
Fire damage now does 0.5kp more damage which shouldn't be too bad when you consider we just killed 1 of 3 fire pokemon in the first generation
Water damage now does 0.5kp LESS which should reduce over all KP considering just how many water pokemon there is in every generation (so many water pokemon) and put a lot more focus on the lynches rather than all the crazy powers. Grush (Unknown pokemon, vengeful role(?)) - + Show Spoiler +Oh yea vigis hit me see what happens ;D No, do it, I dare you. Regardless if my abilities are true, scum thinks I'm screwing with town and won't shoot me unless all the people left in the thread are scum which wouldn't suprise me, and town vigis, I hope you realize there are much better targets than me, I would suggest Biosc. Mattchew (Pikachu, vig role) - + Show Spoiler +i am pikachu, a blue pokemon, who can do .5 kp of damage every night JingleHell (Magnemite, has "Supersonic" which can redirect abilities) - + Show Spoiler +By the way, if Mattchew used his KP, it didn't land on target, since he was confused, courtesy of yours truly, Magnemite. In fact, reading the flavor text, it may have inadvertently been the cause of death of Toad, going by the "shocking end" bit. I cause an ability to hit a random target. I'm not entirely sure why the flavor is different than that of a confused Pokemon hitting themselves, though. Supersonic. Confusion that makes it hit the wrong target. Random target, as determined by host. I'm guessing that's what toasted Toad, the Giovanni with a Meowth. Everyone else alive is unclaimed, as far as I could tell.
Extra Stuff Shot/kill flavors: + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2012 07:50 austinmcc wrote:Housekeeping. Shot/Kill flavors + Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 01:55 GreYMisT wrote: Meowth used payday on VisceraEyes!
Ouch that hurt!
(colors are not reflective of alignment) On August 23 2012 06:18 GreYMisT wrote: Bumatlarge, the Voltorb and Chezinu, the Gastly fainted due to psychic damage!
StrongandBig, The Charmander became confused! He Fried himself in his confusion! StrongandBig fainted!
Kitaman27, The Clefairy was captured by Team Rocket!
Toadestern, as Giovanni with a Meowth met a shocking end On August 23 2012 20:19 deconduo wrote: BloodyC0bbler has been incinerated. On August 26 2012 06:14 deconduo wrote: Heist, the Koffing, has been electrocuted. Wherebugsgo, the MewTwo/Mr. Mime, got too much sun. We know that the amount of scum KP is hidden. Out of the flavors we've seen, I would think "captured by Team Rocket" is the mafia factional kill. If that's the case, then mafia's KP was disrupted last night. Evolutions: + Show Spoiler +On August 23 2012 06:18 deconduo wrote: Magikarp has evolved into Gyrados Bulbasaur has evolved into Ivysaur On August 26 2012 06:14 deconduo wrote: Caterpie has evolved into Metapod Dratini has evolved into Dragonair
I already confirmed it in the thread.
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On August 28 2012 04:10 BioSC wrote:Whelp. As it turns out, MLG weekend + TI2 Weekend plus lots of procrastinated homework means one inactive Bio. Combine that with a general "woe is me" about my reads in general makes it hard to put forth the effort. Well, here we go again. My 2 choices are misder or VE. Misder for his active lurking + the play around the time of yesterday's lynch.VE, because the case by HiroPro + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2012 09:03 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 07:34 Mementoss wrote:On August 27 2012 07:31 HiroPro wrote: hm, wiggles sounds legitimately annoyed. Can't decide whether to kill biosc or misder, drrrr.
##Unvote What are your thoughts on VE /dirkzor I haven't really read much since Toad died, so fresh look and all lol. Dirkzor I think is town. His early play I think was mostly just because of how much pressure he was under from BC and I think he's actually trying to contribute. I think VE is scum now for a couple of reasons. First, the thing with grush still strikes me as really uncharacteristic of town VE. VE is someone who throws out policy lynches as town, but it's almost always "if we have no strong scum reads, we should lynch a lurker". For him to push a policy lynch on a person for their play in other games is just mind-boggling. VE has always emphasized that there is no such thing as an "useless townie" because they're still a member of town to count against the mafia wincon, yet now his views have suddenly flipped. If you look at the LVI postgame (the last game with VE and grush in it), there's nothing to suggest that VE was unduly mad. Yes, I know he made some comment pregame about how grush would likely just lurk and troll, but at least before VE pushed the policy lynch, grush had seemed ok in activity and was at least responding to others. Next looking at the whole Wiggles-BC feud: Beforehand VE had said that he thought Wiggles was scum. But then when the cases come out, literally the only thing VE has to say about those two cases is a mild dislike of one of BC's points. Otherwise he just says afterward " BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched" and "Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again.". That doesn't look like VE analyzing someone's play and reaching a conclusion based on that. It looks like him making a preconceived judgement and fitting what happens around it. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 17:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Why does BC keep referencing Bugs' post as if Bugs is accusing Wiggles? He's said it twice I think now, and I don't think Bugs was accusing Wiggles at all. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 18:20 VisceraEyes wrote: But it won't be - Bugs is alive to say "no guy, I think Wiggles is town (as my post indicates), LTR"
That's my point - it won't be Bugs' fault at all. Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 24 2012 02:16 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2012 02:11 grush57 wrote:On August 24 2012 02:09 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles Nah, Wiggles attacking bc is a null tell in my opinion. Look at the timing of this hit, if they wanted to kill bc they would do it faster, it smells like a frame to me. Yeah I considered that aswell, but wiggles has been scummy HMMMMMMMMMMMM idk man also biosc where u been at man! Wiggles scummy ? He seems the only person devoting his time to this game. Some guys dont have enough time , yadda yadda. Although his theory on the lynch sounds wrong... Well I think Dirk is scum based on one post... I did not vote him because of my doubts (his points about viscera were good) it is hard to reread the thread on the phone, eh. Is this a joke? First of all, Wiggles posted like ONE time D1, and that was to vote me and DISAPPEAR. He had NO inclination to affect the lynch yesterday and, as Bugs and Wiggles will tell you, scum seemed to be perfectly content with the way the wagons were going too. Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again. In what way is Wiggles "devoting his time to this game"? This is strikingly similar to his play in LV - vote, disappear, return to build a case, vote, disappear. I'm voting Mr.Wiggles because I think he's scum. I hope you guys will join me. Then, the amount of times VE promises thoughts and reads but then when he comes back has pretty much nothing useful to say. I know someone is going to bring up the shot done by Toad, but frankly I think it could just be separation. Toad knew it was only 0.5 KP and not going to pose a threat to VE actually dying. Maybe I'm being an idiot right now in ignoring BC lol, but it's not like I've been doing anything this game for some time now. ##Vote VisceraEyes Makes sense to me. And the more I go through cases and stuff, the less confident I am about them. Great. Tell you what. I'm going to go sheep the veteran flipped townie. My reads are shit and I know it. ##Vote Wiggles
so you think VE or misder are scum yet you vote wiggles, wat
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On August 28 2012 03:54 Mattchew wrote: I am still voting dirkzor, because he is scum.
I can be persuaded to switch to misder
can we get a vote count
why you think dirkzor is scum
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On August 28 2012 04:10 Misder wrote:People think I'm scum mainly because of + Show Spoiler +On August 25 2012 02:04 Misder wrote: Hi again.
Day 2 post- the only thing of importance (besides the fact that two people flipped scum) is the flavor of the kills.
BC vs Wiggles into BC getting dayvig shot- I had BC as scum at the end of Day 1, so I don't believe it's that bad of a shot if it was a town dayvig. (Though obviously, it could be a scum dayvig that wanted to get rid of a vet...). Same thing as before, can't really tell the alignment of the shot. Wiggles put a lot of effort into the case though, which leads me to believe that he's town.
I also have WBG as town, though I haven't looked carefully at his filter yet. I just get a town vibe from him.
Also VE is town. Drazerk's posting has gotten way better, making me think he's town as well.
Mattchew is interesting. When I played with him before GMarshal's PYP, he did the exact same thing he did day 1 when he was town (pointing fingers without backing stuff up, and posting one-liners all the time aka being scummy). If I was going to vote on meta, I would say that Mattchew is a bad lynch target. But I'm not, so ##Vote:Mattchew.
Also, there's a JingleHell v Mattchew and a Mattchew v Dirkzor thing going on (where the first person is the one attacking).
As for JingleHell, I was actually writing a case on him but it stopped when I read the post where he claimed a role. That claim seems out of the blue, which I don't know if scum would do. He's obviously being more productive though (pushing a Mattchew case) so I don't mind him being alive for now.
I feel like lynching Dirkzor would clear up a lot of stuff though, and I still think he's being scummy. But Mattchew works too.
This: Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 03:29 Mementoss wrote: Why did wiggles come in just to have his speech of why people shouldnt vote him but never talked about any one being scum On VE: I don't understand why scum would have any incentive to hit a scum VE really. Toad wasn't going to claim Meowth, and scum had no guarantee that Toad was going to die Night 1. So, then if VE is scum, then they would be banking on the fact that Toad would die eventually.
Who are your best scum reads and why
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On August 28 2012 04:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 04:10 BioSC wrote:Whelp. As it turns out, MLG weekend + TI2 Weekend plus lots of procrastinated homework means one inactive Bio. Combine that with a general "woe is me" about my reads in general makes it hard to put forth the effort. Well, here we go again. My 2 choices are misder or VE. Misder for his active lurking + the play around the time of yesterday's lynch. VE, because the case by HiroPro + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2012 09:03 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 07:34 Mementoss wrote:On August 27 2012 07:31 HiroPro wrote: hm, wiggles sounds legitimately annoyed. Can't decide whether to kill biosc or misder, drrrr.
##Unvote What are your thoughts on VE /dirkzor I haven't really read much since Toad died, so fresh look and all lol. Dirkzor I think is town. His early play I think was mostly just because of how much pressure he was under from BC and I think he's actually trying to contribute. I think VE is scum now for a couple of reasons. First, the thing with grush still strikes me as really uncharacteristic of town VE. VE is someone who throws out policy lynches as town, but it's almost always "if we have no strong scum reads, we should lynch a lurker". For him to push a policy lynch on a person for their play in other games is just mind-boggling. VE has always emphasized that there is no such thing as an "useless townie" because they're still a member of town to count against the mafia wincon, yet now his views have suddenly flipped. If you look at the LVI postgame (the last game with VE and grush in it), there's nothing to suggest that VE was unduly mad. Yes, I know he made some comment pregame about how grush would likely just lurk and troll, but at least before VE pushed the policy lynch, grush had seemed ok in activity and was at least responding to others. Next looking at the whole Wiggles-BC feud: Beforehand VE had said that he thought Wiggles was scum. But then when the cases come out, literally the only thing VE has to say about those two cases is a mild dislike of one of BC's points. Otherwise he just says afterward " BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched" and "Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again.". That doesn't look like VE analyzing someone's play and reaching a conclusion based on that. It looks like him making a preconceived judgement and fitting what happens around it. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 17:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Why does BC keep referencing Bugs' post as if Bugs is accusing Wiggles? He's said it twice I think now, and I don't think Bugs was accusing Wiggles at all. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 18:20 VisceraEyes wrote: But it won't be - Bugs is alive to say "no guy, I think Wiggles is town (as my post indicates), LTR"
That's my point - it won't be Bugs' fault at all. Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 24 2012 02:16 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2012 02:11 grush57 wrote:On August 24 2012 02:09 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles Nah, Wiggles attacking bc is a null tell in my opinion. Look at the timing of this hit, if they wanted to kill bc they would do it faster, it smells like a frame to me. Yeah I considered that aswell, but wiggles has been scummy HMMMMMMMMMMMM idk man also biosc where u been at man! Wiggles scummy ? He seems the only person devoting his time to this game. Some guys dont have enough time , yadda yadda. Although his theory on the lynch sounds wrong... Well I think Dirk is scum based on one post... I did not vote him because of my doubts (his points about viscera were good) it is hard to reread the thread on the phone, eh. Is this a joke? First of all, Wiggles posted like ONE time D1, and that was to vote me and DISAPPEAR. He had NO inclination to affect the lynch yesterday and, as Bugs and Wiggles will tell you, scum seemed to be perfectly content with the way the wagons were going too. Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again. In what way is Wiggles "devoting his time to this game"? This is strikingly similar to his play in LV - vote, disappear, return to build a case, vote, disappear. I'm voting Mr.Wiggles because I think he's scum. I hope you guys will join me. Then, the amount of times VE promises thoughts and reads but then when he comes back has pretty much nothing useful to say. I know someone is going to bring up the shot done by Toad, but frankly I think it could just be separation. Toad knew it was only 0.5 KP and not going to pose a threat to VE actually dying. Maybe I'm being an idiot right now in ignoring BC lol, but it's not like I've been doing anything this game for some time now. ##Vote VisceraEyes Makes sense to me. And the more I go through cases and stuff, the less confident I am about them. Great. Tell you what. I'm going to go sheep the veteran flipped townie. My reads are shit and I know it. ##Vote Wiggles Ahahahahahahahaha
Now that your here who do you think are scum.
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On August 28 2012 04:23 Dirkzor wrote:Reading Misder's filter I get the feeling he knows something I don't. His claim the WBG was town out of the blue. His defence of hopeless and mattchew: Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 04:37 Misder wrote: Really, this lynch is between 3 townies. This is ridiculous. Together with mementoss case yesterday he comes of as scum to me. I would still like to see VE dead. So go vote him! Mementoss what is your thought on VE?
VE is being really useless, fake promises, has more filter than me yet I don't remember much of anything he has done to try and help town. There is a good chance he's scum.
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On August 28 2012 04:38 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 04:09 Mementoss wrote: I already confirmed it in the thread. I just want to double-super-mega confirm that "confuse" is a part of this thing. If the kill flavors are an indicator, then we need to nail down what actually causes confusion and what just redirects stuff.
Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 04:32 HiroPro wrote: what is this crap. are you seriously fucking trying to figure out a scum team based on balance. Eh, not at the moment? You can read my thoughts on Wiggles. None of that rests on balance. But once we've flipped another scum or two, balance MAY color my thoughts.
I dont think it has a flavour I think the confuse from snb came from elsewhere
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On August 28 2012 04:43 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 04:42 Misder wrote: I have BioSC as my highest scum read atm. I find that he didn't really care about either lynches at all. Also, continuously saying that his scumhunting is bad as a backup.
JingleHell, I've already made a case on. I still don't like his play. The fact that he's not really pushing my lynch besides saying that he wants me dead isn't helping.
Third on the list is Wiggles, although I'm really just sheeping everyone else. I find that his case on BC was actually decent, but if BC was setting him up, then it actually makes sense (BC pretending to be a weak target so that Wiggles, who already lost two scumbuddies, could make a play). Also, his play today isn't that appealing, as I was ready for Wiggles to get all up in my grill after yesterday. But then he talks about inactivity not being inherently scummy and all defense, no offense.
I can see a Dirkzor being scum, but unlike BC, I don't think it really makes sense for Dirkzor to be scum with Wiggles, as it's putting two scum pushing for the same lynch on Day 1, a bit risky I feel.
I also find it a bit suspicious that Zeph is defending me. Gut feeling tells me something is up, but I find his claim pretty townish. Claim your pokemon and role and I will unvote you. Why do you want everyone to claim?
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VE hasn't even voted today I don't think.
Maybe he will pop in last minute and vote to not get modkilled.
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On August 28 2012 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 05:24 JingleHell wrote: Just the fact that Grush is voting Wiggles should say a bit. Even if you don't think he's scum (although he DID revert to trolling and not talking after he got called out on not matching his town meta) he's still not exactly what I consider a role model. Who's trolling, me? I'm just trying to get people to build a better case against me than, "BC said he was scum, and he hasn't been around much, and meta-stuff". If people don't want to make a better case, that's their own prerogative, either as scum or bad townies.
I think he means grush
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Do we want to risky lynching Misder and letting VE get a modkill?
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On August 28 2012 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I killed BC. Would scum tell you that?
With 5 minutes left scum would say anything lol
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