On July 20 2012 01:10 YourHarry wrote:
Hapha is town.
Hapha is town.
Dont waste post 300 thats an important one
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On July 20 2012 01:10 YourHarry wrote: Hapha is town. Dont waste post 300 thats an important one | ||
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##Vote Yourharry Ill be back tommorow morning after both scum and town tear me a new one but ill do what i can. On July 19 2012 05:32 YourHarry wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2012 04:50 iamperfection wrote: On July 19 2012 04:44 Hapahauli wrote: On July 19 2012 04:32 iamperfection wrote: On July 19 2012 04:19 Hapahauli wrote: I replied to your previous post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398¤tpage=29#577 Also, I haven't commented at all on your vote on Obvious.660. It could be seen as a bandwagon, but I don't find it suspicious in itself. As far as your posting goes, I suggest looking at the filters of Calgar and Mufaa, who've pointed suspicion at you. So you want me to throw out fingers of suspicon that really would serve no purpose other than to be used against me later. What purpose would fos serve the game will change in a few hours and as town the very little information we get come from the result of the night actions. Why be pigenholed now during the night. Its the same reason calgar is upset that jinglehell is trying to make a final be all decesion on who vig should kill. Also you didnt answer the question. my position on obvious was by far the worse i can do nothing to change on what i posted on day 1. Why wouldnt i just make a throwaway vote and semi bandwagon later on sombody else with less votes if i was a lurking mafia? I'm assuming the "throw out FOS" bit is in regards to my linked reply. I'm saying to take a strong stance against someone. You're wishy-washy and simply throw around suspicion without committing anywhere. This is a mafia-trait. TBH, I don't even understand your question. Its not like you voted for Obvious - you voted for him when his fate was still in question. How does your vote for Obvious vindicate you? Because your thinking it in too simple of terms. If im mafia i know that obvious is town i wasent wishy washy at when i voted for obvious so according to your own logic my action at that time was more likely town. Take it further. When obvious is killed its natural to look at who caused the votes to happen how did it benfit me going later into the game how is it going to help the mafia win. Sure i could get the mis lynch on day one but im not set up in benfitual way at all on day 2. Ive been saying all along the goal is to win not looking good with logic or survivng lynches the goal is to make the town win. If im mafia my position makes no sense. Imagine a player who was wishy-wash about a player and then voted him, who then flipped town. The player would be very suspicious (LOL, this is actually exactly how I acted on D1, but I have an excuse ) ..So the other side of the coin is that, scums would act decisive and firm in their opinion - because typically that's how townies act and they want to fit in. Also, you are saying everyone who didn't act wishy washy when they voted Obvious.660 is town? I think that's pretty much everyone except me. On July 18 2012 10:38 YourHarry wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2012 10:32 iamperfection wrote: Some food for thought while we enter the terrors that are the night. Why would i knowingly put myself under so much heat. When i Voted for obvious their was one exactly one vote for him. If i was mafia i could posted lip service comments to try and hid but i diddnt i put a claim out there and i think its going to lead to some information. The bandwagon on obvious happened after me. The mafia have the information advantage and if they wanted to risk it they could have not voted for obvious at all if they so desired. I will be able to work on this tommorow morning and i will post before the deadline what i think happened. You can say this for everyone who have voted for Obvious.660. From scum's perspective, it is a choice between not wanting to look scummy by avoiding to contribute to a mislynch a player they know is town vs. putting their voting power in effect in order to favor a mislynch over a scum lynch. He has try to discount my logic several times and continue to keep me a candidate for a mis lynch. I know it can be stated that this is pure wifom and we could just be trying to spread confusion but here it is decide for yourselves. I agree with the cases and accept the attack that i will probally recieve for latching on. I know my self preservation comment will be attacked but in all honesty thats what im doing. I will be back in the morning and ill try to answer any questions that you may have for me. | ||
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On July 20 2012 11:48 JingleHell wrote: The tag you wanted is [green][b] Insert Text Here [/b][/green] thanks i got it | ||
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The one thing i dont like about it is that he tries to cast suspicion on you. In my view looking at it you are basically mod confirmed townie in my view now. The only other possibilty is their would have to be a roleblocker on the scum team. However, combined with your ability to play the role of aggresive townie and the actual circumstance of the bread crumb i highly doubt your lying and combined with probulous basically confirming that their is a role block role i think its safe to assume your town. What i dont like about is why would the scum team continue to rally against you. It seems kind of silly to me to try and waste effort to try and cast doubt on you. Maybe im giving the scum team to much credit but in my view thier efforts are better spent else where. So basically harrys accusation are so dumb in my view that he might be town because the scum team as whole i would think would recognize it would be a lost cause to go against you. | ||
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@calgar i hope you come to see me diffrently and i dont know who this changes your view but anyways ## unvote ## vote drwiggl3s | ||
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On July 21 2012 04:54 calgar wrote: Ok, I’ll be switching my vote to drwiggl3s here. I also want to propose a temporary solution to iamperfection. I may have been reading his actions on the wrong side of the coin. I’ve said in my previous posts that it boiled down to whether he was mafia or confused townie. At the time we didn’t have anything better to go off of so I considered it to be our best vote in order to maximize the % of killing mafia. What he’s said recently in his vote on YourHarry made me change my mind. His defense of YourHarry shows his reluctance to put the vote there, so he shouldn’t have any trouble changing to match with jingle again. Anyways, what made me doubt my strong stance previously has a lot to do with the flurry of posting last night and today. YourHarry seems to have been pressured into making several revealing plays. Drwiggl3s has positioned himself to look good after the lynch. We can evaluate these more closely, soon. When iamperfection said that his best town read was jingle I understood about him following jingle’s vote. I’ve been sort of doing the same with hapa. Now, to ‘prove’ his townie-ness, let’s get him to agree to vote with jingle every vote. He says he believes jingle is essentially 100% town so he’s going to follow him. As long as he does so, then we have his vote with the town side no matter what his role is. He shouldn’t have any problem agreeing to this since he has said he wants to follow jingle’s vote. We can use this as a temporary stall to eliminate him from our suspects pool and try to root out member #2 after drwiggl3s. As long as he is voting with us, he is a temporary ally. ##Unvote ##Vote drwiggl3s I cant agree with that. That would be the same thing as saying jingle cant be wrong. I agree with his current view but i will stand up and say something if i think its wrong. Even though you may have seen my previous posts as scummy i will try to contiue to posts reads and contribute to disccussion if i feel like i can help. Sure have i been attacked a couple time and not answerd question as well as i would yes. Im still going to play the game. | ||
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On July 21 2012 09:53 tube wrote: i voted perfection because i didn't see why he was cleared of suspicion Do you still think that im the best choice now? | ||
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July 21 2012 17:09 GMT
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On July 22 2012 01:56 tube wrote: Relative periods of inactivity are not scumtells, they're quite frankly just times when someone doesn't feel like playing. A bandwagon on me doesn't tell the town anything because it was so easy for mafia to make me an attractive lynch, despite that the only thing I can be indicted for is inactivity. I can't speak for hopeless or fulla but you guys are going to find some difficulty making sense of things when I flip town. Also, my vote on perfection reflects my confusion as to why the suspicion on him is suddenly cleared. Wiggles was undoubtedly going to be the d2 lynch anyway. One of the prime resaons i became suspicious in first place was my lurking on the first day. You now use that in your defense of yourself but then vote for me. That dosent make sense and if you are town seems like a careless use of your vote. Regardless what are your thoughts now do still think im the prime suspect and if not what are your thoughts going forward. and fos tube | ||
iamperfection
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July 21 2012 17:38 GMT
#1005
On July 22 2012 02:20 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On July 21 2012 23:29 Hapahauli wrote: @ Hopeless1der - Good analysis, I have some commentary below regarding some of your conclusions. Agree on Jingle/YourHarry being guarenteed townies, however, I severely disagree with you on Tube. On July 21 2012 13:13 Hopeless1der wrote: --SNIP-- Day 1, wiggles was pushing tube as his scum read. I sincerely doubt he would have tried to bus that early in the game. This is a much weaker conclusion, but the case on tube seemed like a legitimate attempt to get him lynched. I'm not 100% convinced that tube is town, but he's now going to be one of the last players I consider as a potential scum. --SNIP-- While wiggles did build a case on Tube, its important to note the timing and situation in which he did so. Wiggles votes for Tube when the bandwagon train is firmly on Obvious.660 (3 votes for obvious, vs 1 vote for a bunch of other people) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398¤tpage=22#423 They then get into an "argument" when Obvious.660 is set to lynch. After the night, drwiggl3s never mentions Tube again, even after grilling him for so long. This points to the "argument" being staged in a safe situation for both mafia. But the most incriminating evidence against Tube is his D2 vote and his complete lack of posting on D2. Tube was willing to post plently on N1, then immediately got quiet when suspicion was flying around Calgar and YourHarry. Furthermore, he comes in right when Jingle points out drwiggl3s scumslip and bandwagon votes iamperfection. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398¤tpage=44#870 <--- the vote, be sure to read the context around it Hapa, you make a good point about wiggles dropping the case after day1. However, I disagree with your point about the specific timing of wiggles' vote. I dont think it was 'firmly' set on Obvious. The votecount following wiggles' vote is: + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2012 05:43 Acrofales wrote: V V V V VOTE COUNT!!! Obvious.660 (4): Tube (3): YourHarry (2): Fulla (1): Hopeless1der iamperfection (1): JingleHell (0): Not yet voted: Fulla Obvious.660 set to be lynched You have about 2 1/4 hours till the deadline. Please use the correct format for voting, including ##s and unvotes when needed. Wrong votes will not be found by cntrl-f + Show Spoiler [previous count] + On July 18 2012 01:56 Acrofales wrote: V V V V VOTE COUNT!!! Obvious.660 (3): Tube (1): Fulla (1): Hopeless1der iamperfection (1): calgar YourHarry (1): Not yet voted: Fulla, Mufaa, drwiggl3s, YourHarry, Evulrabbitz You have about 6 hours till the deadline. + Show Spoiler [previous count] + On July 17 2012 14:55 Probulous wrote: Vote Count Obvious.660 (2): YourHarry, JingleHell Tube (1): YourHarry (0): You have about 17 hours till the deadline. The votecount at deadline: + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2012 07:31 Probulous wrote: Vote Count Obvious.660 (6): Tube (2): YourHarry (0): Fulla (1): Hopeless1der iamperfection (3): JingleHell (0): Obvious.660 set to be lynched + Show Spoiler [Previous Vote Count] + On July 18 2012 05:43 Acrofales wrote: V V V V VOTE COUNT!!! Obvious.660 (4): Tube (3): YourHarry (2): Fulla (1): Hopeless1der iamperfection (1): JingleHell (0): Not yet voted: Fulla Obvious.660 set to be lynched You have about 2 1/4 hours till the deadline. Please use the correct format for voting, including ##s and unvotes when needed. Wrong votes will not be found by cntrl-f + Show Spoiler [previous count] + V V V V VOTE COUNT!!! Obvious.660 (3): Tube (1): Fulla (1): Hopeless1der iamperfection (1): calgar YourHarry (1): Not yet voted: Fulla, Mufaa, drwiggl3s, YourHarry, Evulrabbitz You have about 6 hours till the deadline. + Show Spoiler [previous count] + On July 17 2012 14:55 Probulous wrote: Vote Count Obvious.660 (2): YourHarry, JingleHell Tube (1): YourHarry (0): You have about 17 hours till the deadline. There was still ample opportunity to get tube lynched and wiggles did make some effort to do so. Tube's posting history is most certainly against him, but I still think he is town.By no means do I expect this to change your mind, but I want it made clear that I think tube is town and I am not currently willing to push for his lynch. I went through calgar's filter, and I especially took notice of his case against iamperfection. Looking at the way the votes fell, I think Hapa and calgar might have had the right idea day1 voting for iamperfection. At the end of day1: Jingle, Harry, Evul are all voting for Obvious' lynch and are pretty much confirmed townies. I think tube is also town, and Fulla doesn't read scum. which leaves iamperfection. (This all goes out the window when you consider tube or fulla being mafia, which at present I do not) Calgar, I'm reading you as town now. I don't like the way you side with Hapa but not Jingle during N1, but I think thats the remnants of the Day1 'wait and see' business so I'm not going to count that against you. I agree with your earlier case that iamperfection is scum: Show nested quote + On July 20 2012 07:19 calgar wrote: Here’s my case: + Show Spoiler + Let’s go back to iamperfection who I called out very early. I brought his case up before anyone else, as a matter of fact. If it’s such an obvious case then why was I the first to bring it up? I’d also like to remind you that a confirmed townie was suspicious of him. This is one of the reasons I thought obvious was innocent. Do me a favor and re-read my initial argument: On July 17 2012 06:24 calgar wrote: Two – Nice of you to grace us with a single post, iamperfection. I feel like this may have been somewhat buried so I’d like to bring it back to people’s attention. I want to call to attention poor logic and assumptions. Show nested quote + Your logic:On July 17 2012 00:42 iamperfection wrote:It means i got me eye on you google is kind of usefull. Although calgar's premise is wrong. I think a mafia member is more likely to put much more thought into their posts then a non mafia member. From my 1 game of experience in which i played more of a lurker role as a mafia member the other 2 members put a ton of thought and effort into their posts. Even as going as far as having the coach review their posts before posting them to see what they thought. Hmm, so my premise about his anti-town behavior is wrong, based on your limited observations of being mafia last game? What?! First, that’s a terrible sample size. Second, it’s fallacious to assume that anything in your previous games has any relevance on how people will act in this one. Poor logic and mafia-like. What relevance does your specific last game have at all to our situation here? Show nested quote + It looks like you just scanned my post quickly and attacked it as “trying to shift suspicion”. Did you even read it or consider what I meant? It seems like many others agree with me about his anti-town behavior. It seems you’re defending anti-town behavior of tube here. You are by far looking the more sucpicious right now. The accusation on tube is telling to me. After the heat on you it seems you like you know want to set up a policy of lynching lurker or people that do one liners. Instead of drving the attention on one person it appears to me you are trying to get us looking at a whole group in order to confuse the town FOS Calgar Also, i think there is a possibility yourharry post was an attempt to get attention away from calgar smaller FOS on YourHarry Why are you suggesting that I have some grand strategy of people to lynch? It looks to me like I made one very specific post about a single player. Yet I have plans of setting up a lynching policy to "confuse the town". Putting words into my mouth - very suspicious. Your post strikes me as if you were mafia and were planning how to enter the game late. You decided to jump onto someone’s reasoning bandwagon to try and avoid attention. Why do I say this? You make no effort in original thought. To me it looks like you scanned the thread, looked at who had been attacked, and said “Oh yeah I agree, FOS on the same two guys as jingle”. I think my case is straightforward and makes sense. Iamperfection has a habit of just jumping onto other people’s suspicions. It’s clear that he’s not even bothering to read the thread. He says neither I nor hapa have made arguments as a reason for us to be suspicious. We both, in fact, do. It’s like he’s playing a different game or all the arguments and evidence is just flying over his head. He then backs off of me after I vote him to avoid a confrontation. Now he’s back at it, tagging onto me with no reasoning. Look at this quote: On July 20 2012 01:24 iamperfection wrote: He bandwagons with jingle again. His second and third sentences are logically disconnected. What does the issue of whether or not mafia picked up on the breadcrumb have to do with how risky it is for jingle to lie? His play is so careless. It's fact that I've challenged people in the thread to talk more. iamperfection has never done this. Why does it seem that I am the only one that feels strongly about this?Jingles claim looks legitamate to me. I'm not buying any crap that jingle should be dead because he bread crumbed. It would be so risky for jingle to lie and hell this is newbie mafia i didnt spot the bread crumb and im sure a lot of players didnt spot it. I think perf is very likely mafia. Even if you think I'm a bit suspicious, I knew jingle was JK so you're saying that mafia knew of the JK and didn't shoot. Why would mafia ever pass up such an easy blue? It looks like the mafia may have missed the breadcrumb. iamperfection missed it and I think he’s mafia. Is this not plausible? Lynch him first – you can always come back to me with more information. However, I've come to that conclusion using a read that conflicts with your own (that tube is or isnt town). I'd like to get some more posts from both tube and iamperfection to confirm our reads, but I am most comfortable pushing for iamperfection's lynch tomorrow. Most recently, iamperfection voices his concern that YourHarry is probably a bad idea, but doesn't switch his vote until after Jingle has moved on. It could very well be that he was scared of drawing attention, or he could be hiding behind Jingle's town cred. I see either action as being scum than being town. He made no pro-active effort to save YourHarry, and I count that against him. I made a read that yourharry constant attacking against jingle was dumb. I dont think a group of scum along with a coach would have wasted time and effort investing in making jingle look scummy when it was pretty clear that jingle was town . The on read that i was absoulute on was that jingle was town so that is why i followed his lead. Now your suggesting that i bussed a power role scum at the same time putting my own neck on the line due to the voting numbers. It also wasnt very clear that we would be able to get done under the time constraits that we had. You can continue to waste time persuing me but i think the tube vote is a telling sign and his answers have not been good enough to clear any suspcion that i have so i will continue to try to get him to talk so we get a clearrer picture. | ||
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July 21 2012 17:39 GMT
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July 22 2012 05:31 GMT
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condition= intoxicated casino winnings= $300 Capitalization randomizer= operaTiOnal Spell cehk = off Grammer check= unlikely to not be on log entry Return from casino in great mood wons lots of money hit straight flush in 3 card poker. Return to accusations against the perfect one.. NoT cool. Hoever condition allows me to see things more clearly i see the end game i see the light i see what i have been looking. For. Son of a bitch On July 21 2012 04:46 Hopeless1der wrote: In the event that YourHarry is lynched, I don't see a solid target to go after tomorrow no matter what he flips. If iamperfection is lynched and flips town, that's almost an autolynch on calgar. If drwiggl3s is lynched, I actually do think there is a good chance that he's scum based on the case you just made. On July 22 2012 02:54 Hopeless1der wrote: Overall you haven't done much for town. You're scummier to me than tube, or anyone else in the game right now. I don't think pursuing your lynch is a waste of time at all. It should generate some discussion and hopefully confirm some reads going into the next day, even if we end up lynching someone else On July 22 2012 10:34 Hopeless1der wrote: [/gives calgar a cookie] I'm willing to get behind this vote, but calgar, I disagree with using the phrase 'confirmed' on most of us except YourHarry. Any one of us could be scum as far as I'm concerned. In the event that iamperfection flips town, I will consider you heavily implicated, despite the fact that you have played an active town role that has helped overall. You, me, Hapa, and speedbump are all candidates to be considered scum. You son of a bitch @ calgar | ||
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July 22 2012 05:32 GMT
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July 22 2012 18:32 GMT
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On July 23 2012 02:37 Fulla wrote: It seems to have a went a bit dead... @Iamperfection - who do you think is/are scum? What are your thoughts? Ive been thinking that my biasis from the previous game have been clouding my judgement thinking that their must be an active member as scum. I think for right now my number one target would be tube. The votes tell more of a story to me and i agree with the assesment that tubes vot was an attempt to start a panic bandwagon when wiggles started to get some supsicion. For the time being i would like hopeless to respond to my previous post by my alter ego from last night. Both you and tube have been sitting back with the current situation with me being in the cross hairs. Why? What are your thoughts on me? Why with me current suspicon tube and my new evidence against hopeless have you not even comented on it? You had made previous comments on both players. what now? | ||
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July 22 2012 20:19 GMT
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On July 23 2012 04:43 tube wrote: I said more than that. You should be kind of freaking out right now. Your actions right now seem to me to be more scum motivated than to be town from my perspective. If you think just by sitting back you can just let me get lynched and just stall for one more. If we take your explanation for your vote at face value it even looks worse. You just voted for the heck of it and didnt read at all? Might as well just have let yourself get replaced if you dont care wether you win or not. Did i look scummy on day one hell yeah. But ive been trying my hardest with the situation that i dealt myself to try and improve it. At least ill be able to look back the game and say i tried. Did i play the best no (even though the perfect one made 2 perfect reads on jingle and yourharry before anyone else) but im gonna at least im gonna go down swinging. If your town join in the conversation even if you dont agree with the other people are saying. | ||
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July 22 2012 20:20 GMT
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