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On July 26 2012 00:53 austinmcc wrote: Gonzaw - His early stuff does look like he's not around to play. - While he's defended BH and Palmar, they were on opposite sides of the mafia heirarchy, and he was finding them both town relatively early, so it's not like he's been caught defending 2 or 3 minions that all fell on one side of the tree. - He went after Foolishness with some decent content. - His vote yesterday still strikes me as off. Complaining that people won't answer your one question when there's already a majority and you've not been a driving force this game (could see high-activity Gonzaw feeling like people should answer his questions) doesn't sit well with me. Yesterday's post right before his vote, where he complains that nobody will answer his question and he doesn't feel good about the lynch, is the scummiest part of his filter for me. Worse than the late vote and sheeping. But it's not as bad as MZ. MZ I'm not even looking at the Palmar crap on MZ. MZ looks bad all by himself. D1 - When I first read this, I liked it. We had so many cases and suspicions flying around early that our D1 was massive and it's tough to pick out the good from the bad. 2/3 the thread probably got accused of being scum on D1. MZ gives what I think is a variation on that train of thought in his response to VE - + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2012 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: D1 the lynch should have been BH. If you go back and read the end of the day I was working very hard to try and ensure that we even had a lynch. D2 Kurumi was obviously the best option because of the Sandroba PM, I'm still astounded he flipped town. D3 Palmar was easily the best option because of the foolishness situation. Note a theme here, I fully agreed with the person who was getting lynched. The guys who was under the gun was acting scummy and I wanted them to die. It would have hurt the town and been very nonconstructive if I had pushed for rastaban say on the day we killed Palmar. It's just dumb to accuse me of not going hard after rastaban when I agree with the guy up to die. I've brought up rastaban because at some point we're going to run out of obvious lynches (since we have zealos that day hasn't arrived). My rastaban case has actually started to pick up some steam which I'm glad to see, as soon as there isn't a better obvious lynch I'll take my turn and get him killed. I can get someone killed when I want to VE, you of all people should know this. However the time isn't right for a rastaban lynch. It would have been completely idiotic if I had tried to get him lynched in place of any of the others who have died so far, and further more I have no incentive to do so when I agree with the guy getting lynched. All the other people to die have been in my opinion, the scummiest person in the thread. The day we try and lynch someone who I don't think isn't the scummiest will be the day I jump up and start screaming bloody murder. Until then I'll wait my turn to get rastaban killed. Yet, here's MZ on D2 during the Kurumi lynchHere, MZ encourages EVERYONE to throw out "their various cases." It's not 100% contradictory to his past stances, but it doesn't mesh with them. If MZ thinks that adding cases on people other than the main lynch target(s) is a bad idea for him, then why is it a good idea for everyone to throw out every case? Maybe because it worked so well D1. Not only did we no-lynch, but there are also so many cases and suspicions D1 that it's difficult to wade through. If D2 looks the same, with everyone calling out everyone, then that's another day that will be very difficult to sort back through later on. That's the main reason I'm finding him scummy - doesn't want to spam/derail thread with cases, asks everyone to do that D2. Little other points, some of which others have pointed out (I think?): - Minor: MZ active N1 pushing consolidation onto Gonzaw, then pushing consolidation onto BH. Foolishness may have been CEO, but he wasn't bullshitting when saying that a couple mass switches late is a recipe for a no-lynch. MZ helped push switches, mafia wants no-lynch. This point only minor because BH flipped mafia and we aren't sure of Gonzaw's alignment. - MZ tells us he pushes his scumreads hard. He's been bringing up Rastaban over and over, but never really pushing him. Fine. But other reads have just entirely fallen off the table. D1 he found Chez scummy for trolling, mentioned Chez had trolled in past scum games, FoSed him, didn't seem fond. See: Chez has continued trolling. MZ's response? Nothing. No mention of Chez. No wanting to lynch Chez. In fact, Again: If Chezinu continues trolling, we kill him. Chezinu continues trolling. No desire to kill, no scumread, doesn't want VE's chez-is-mafia conspiracy. Also, for the record, VE, I'm worried about Chezinu as well. I'm hoping that he's serious about making sense, but even if he explains and stops trolling, I don't think I'm going to fully trust him. Chezinu is more town than anyone else this game. How can people want to kill him when his reads have been so accurate this game? | ||
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On July 26 2012 01:18 austinmcc wrote: I didn't remember him pushing many reads, so I went back and looked. You are right, he's got a lot of correct reads. As far as I can tell: D1 he wants to kill Gonzaw (unknown) and BH D2 his posts on Kurumi seem to indicate he's leaning town, but it's not clear. He votes for Sandroba D2, but puts him down as townie in lists at night (perhaps scum because of mirror theory, town at night because mirror theory no good with Kurumi town). N2 he's got a nice list: + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2012 13:11 Chezinu wrote: come on... you suppose to listen to me cause I'm the boss. And you wonder why you have no authority! look.. this is how you do it. You copy the list and make the names full of color. The best method is to color each name a full color. unless you are very confused. In this case I asked you to color the green and blue ones. Let's say I asked you to color the red ones. You do something like this: 1. layabout 2. Sloosh 5. HiroPro 6. Foolishness 8. Bill Murray 9. Gonzaw 10. Meapak_Ziphh 11. Supersoft 12. austinmcc 15. syllogism 16. GGQ 17. Blazinghand 20. rastaban 21. Mattchew 23. risk.nuke 26. Palmas 27. Zealos ok, you got it. Now gogogo! D3 - Votes sloosh, who he seems to find scummy throughout day, unknown. Votes palmar later, correct. You're right, his reads have been good. Very good, and better than I was thinking. But I'm worried about some of the things he has said, and I want to know whether they are the result of a particular power(s) or not. Yeah, I am thinking some kind of JOAT would work as it seems he never repeats his actions. | ||
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Voted G, to put some pressure on him, he reacted like he did when he was town in the past. I have a null on him right now, plenty of better scum to lynch today. | ||
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On July 26 2012 06:41 supersoft wrote: uh we have a tie between MZ and gonzaw :D i'll wait one more hour ^_^ ##vote MZ | ||
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Wow what interesting developments. still taking it all in. ##unvote | ||
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His flip gives us info on MZ and Supersoft... I am interested to see where this goes. | ||
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On July 27 2012 05:49 Zealos wrote: I am saying this now, I would rather have MZ killed that slOosh at this point, heck, I most wanna kill Hiro or Gonzaw atm. But we need a lynch of some kind so... Vote: slOosh I agree, MZ seems scummier but we have to lynch slOosh at some point so better than a no lynch. | ||
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On July 27 2012 06:37 slOosh wrote: I'd reconsider Zealos and rastaban after my flip. It's not the vote itself which is worrisome, but the explanation behind it. It's for the wrong motivations that they are voting for me. I'll be checking up here and there. I agree as long as Zealos goes first :D | ||
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Yours? I believe you. Your posts basically meant you had to die at some time so obviously they were town motivated. I think the supersoft thing definitely needs pursued. | ||
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On July 27 2012 06:52 slOosh wrote: Where would he rank among your reads? You said you were null on gonzaw and voted MZ. Who are the other people you think are scummy and why? No real ranking but top 4: Zealous - Hiding part of his role PM Supersoft - his reaction lol MZ - a useless Cop Claim You (as mole) | ||
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The mirror theory says Chez and Prob or VE are scum. One of the minions is either the Snoopy role or the Commuter That leaves one role left, meaning we have at least 2 of a certain role and also as of yet our real nuke has no mafia counter part. | ||
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On July 27 2012 13:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Great flip, it does make me almost feel like my sheriff was killed though lol! well I will probably be dying tonight but I'll make a post at the day cycle with how we need to proceed. Nice work, how do you feel about sloosh's made up Pms, you think they are based off real ones or entirely fabricated? | ||
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