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On July 04 2012 03:59 AmericanUmlaut wrote: EBWOP: I should clarify what I mean when I say I'm very nervous about the lynch. Town play has not been good this game, which has left us with more scummy-looking players than there are actual scum. Assuming there's even one PBU in this game who knows how to play without looking like the second coming of GG.Nore, we're lynching into a population that includes way too many friendlies for comfort. Even making the best reads we can, we're taking a percentage gamble that I'm really not happy about. *Twitch* That was what I was saying before and I got bitched at for it.... | ||
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On July 05 2012 10:55 Promethelax wrote: Okay, clearly Keirathi thinks I am scum and a reasonable and well thought out response doesn't change his mind. I am not going to bother to defend myself against this since Kier won't listen to reason. If he is going to force everyone to mislynch me I want to get as many of my reads and the reasons for them into the thread so that when I flip green you townies will have more to work with, assuming that a medic protects someone tonight! Come on medic no one will look down on you for batting .333. So, Keir, if you have anything that you want me to respond to ask me directly. If you just want to suggest that I am scum for no good reason I'm not going to bother to respond. We won't gain anything by me shitting up the thread with my defense so I'm going to give you solid reads instead, if you are town I hope you'll realize that I am too; if you aren't I don't really care what you think. If you really have read my filter so closely I would expect you to have realized that I am not red. So first: my scum reads. I am leaving Fencar out of this because he has been replaced but I still think he is probably scum and I hope that we all give his replacement a cold hard look. Blind-Rawr, now Keir, is scum. I never really thought that Blindy was was defiantly scum, or more accurately I never looked at him because there was nothing to look at. His filter is...ten posts long after the start of the game until the point where he was replaced. He never gave us a single read and he could have either been new at town or at scum. He seemed scummy by virtue of his lurking and his lack of reads but he was never my scummiest read and I never followed through on looking into him really. The thing is as soon as he was replaced we got an active player with grandiose reads covering everyone in the thread. He came in here and told us to ignore the scummy vibe everyone had on Blindy and to totally pay attention to his reads. His reads that put me on the top of a scum list. Now like the reast of you, barring scum and dt if we have one, I have a total of one mod-confirmed townie alive in this game. That townie is me and I feel like I have done a good job in that role to work for town and to find mafia, this is reflected in the town read that everyone had on me until Kierth came into the thread, until he showed up no one thought I was mafia and I don't believe that anyone does now. Every townie in this game has a town read on me because of my behaviour. Keir says it is because of how much I post. My filter is three pages long. Count 'em. You know who else has a three page filter? Statistically speaking you do. Myles is on three pages, so is Umlaut, and Hopeless is as well. JH has four pages and he died n1. Lurkers like Bob, Iamimperfection and even Anacletus have two page filters. So why does Kier attack me with this facitius reason? I can't think of any reason for town to distort the facts like this; I can think of a reason for scum to do it though, they want me dead. There has to be a reason that scum killed Sciberbia and not me since we were the most active and the guys who were most well thought of as green. I assume everyone else had a town read on Sciberbia since I did. The only reason I can think of is that I had more of a filter and therefore more things that could be called scummy by scum players or that Sciberbia had better scum reads than me. I wasn't sure that Blindy was scum but Sciberbia sure thought so, you can tell by the way he voted for him: Keir's one big post is a re-hash of everything that has happened in thread. He calls it his notes and there are a few observations thrown in but it feels like a a huge post that screams “look at me! Look at me! I am totally contributing!” without actually contributing. I'll link the post and you can read it over for yourself, it is so big that I skimmed it this morning when I had to run to work but it actually doesn't add as much as something of that length should. In that long long post Kier calls Sciberbia 25% lilely to be scum. And when Sciberbia dies and flips town he says: look at that attempt to gain towncred. Sciberbia was my best town read too but you'll notice that I acted on that before his death. Although I guess that is true based on what he said, 25% is the lowest chance of flipping scum he gives followed by two thirties and everyone else has a 50% chance or greater, talk about hedging your bets and leaving yourself an out. So I think that Sciberbia was right, BlinD-Rawr was scum and so is kier. My bet is that Hopeless1der is also scum. I have already made a case about him and here it is On top of this he has continued to post in a scummy was and when I came under attack he soft defended me I think that he knows that I am green and knows that if I am lynched having defended me will look good. Once I flip green the town will probably lynch Kier (assuming we get our medic save at night, we may as well plan to succeed since planning for failure won't help us) and Keir has said that Hopeless is his next scummiest read after me. Hopeless has defended me. I believe that the scum plan is to get me mislynched in return for probably just straight winning and, if they don't win, losing one of their own and confirming a second as town in everyone's eyes. He also pushes Umlaut while Keir calls him town, it looks to me like scum setting up the perfect follow up mislynch after both Kier and I have flipped. It is my firm belief that Hopeless is scum. His play seemed stupid but it changed drastically, he says he got coaching but I bet it was from marvellosity and not xsksc or artanis[xp], note his familiar use of marvellosity's name here: I'd say that is from someone who has talked to 'marv' and not our coaches. Hopeless1der is scum along with Kier. Since we are in a situation where we will lose if we mislynch we lose (assuming there are no brilliant medic saves, which seem unlikely at this point) I want to talk about town reads too. It doesn't matter if scum know who we see as town, we all need to have each others' reads. Town only benefits from more information and I want to get as much of it out there as possible. The person I want to talk about is Myles, since I have made a case against him in the past as have JH and others, I think he is a possible mislynch target. Myles is, as far as I can tell, town. (look at me, spelling out that my opinions are my opinions, I wish I had more information that I could give you but I don't and I can't). So, as you know if you have read this thread, I have stated in the past that Bob is scummy. I don't think so anymore, and not just because he was celebrating Canada day with me. Bob is actually right to bring this up, we jumped on him for the exact same thought process which was worded more poorly in his case. Bringing attention to this serves no purpose if he is scum. He wouldn't want to make us re-look at his mistakes. But he focuses on them to bring attention to another player. Admitting to his own mistakes and using them to make a point, albeit a simple one, is a townie behaviour. It is also his post onto which Keir bandwaggons. Though he totally fails to mention that he isn't posting something revolutionary. I think that if Kier is scum Bob is town and, since I am sure that Kier is scum I am also sure that Bob is town. Saying what Bob said above as scum would be dumb, I am one of the most active town players and have had 0 suspicion on me all game so why would he say this? Only if he were town who actually thought that I was scum, he is wrong but green as far as I can see. To some up this post for those that don't have the patience to wade through it: Kier=Scum Hopeless=Scum Bob=Town While I thank you for the vote of confidence I still think that you are iffy. Blind/Kier is almost impossible to judge right now, and Hopeless is IMO scum. For now I'll give you the BOTD but I'm still paying attention and trying to rationalize you being scum to the others. | ||
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On July 06 2012 12:38 iamperfection wrote: Alright now that every single person has basically been accused of being scum lets get the ball going. Even if we have to no lynch we still have to vote like ghost said so we may as well put our positions out there. Ive been rereading most of my own posts as well as my the person who i fell is the scum. Looking back at my own posts i feel if you took the names away we would be very similar to each other but bob has shown his true colors Bobthelob throughout the game has tried to potray this look of "excuse me im a noob just a nervous townie dont mind me" when in truth he has been trying to subtly undermine the town while trying to blend in with the fellow lurkers such as myself. He has also tried to use the excuse that he either been sleep deprived or drunk to explain the lacking in his posts. His posts attempt to make the town look at as many people as possible trying to make us all confused by not giving any real target and trying to keep low and the atention on others. So in other words it could be anyone. So it could be hopeless or it could be somebody else plus EVERYONE NOW LOOK AT FENCAR. Ive made this point before he is trying to keep us confused and guessing by trying to lay blame on almost everyone this in no way helps the town. Saying it could be this guy is way for the scum to argue hey i was sucpicious of this guy and he turned scum so therfore im not scum. He's trying to cover all his bases. However i think a more recent play is the best piece of evidence is something that happened a bit more recently. Think back to when all the crap was sliding twoards fencar. Fencar has his little temper tantrum and picked up his ball and went home but then all the attention slides away from fencar. Bob see's and whats does he do when he gets some heat. By threating to quit just like fencar did hes hoping the heat will leave him. I saw what happened with fencar and hes trying to buy another day and getting another mislynch which will basically lead to gg. So therfore bob is scum Vote ## bobthelob Wait what? I said I've dug myself a hole because I have, you've even proved that. I don't blame you for it in the slightest. | ||
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On July 07 2012 00:21 AmericanUmlaut wrote: I've got to agree with the sentiments expressed so eloquently in this post. Do I correctly understand that you (Bob) are arguing that iamperfection's contention that you're scum is stupid ("Wait what?") because you already said that your play has been scummy as hell? I don't even know whether to read that argument as scummy or not. It's too stupid an argument to make sense coming from anybody, regardless of their alignment. No, I'm saying his post is useless, but for my opinion on what's going on right now as it seems that I won't be lynched today. The No Lynch is a good idea if we can actually get a read tomorrow, unfortunately I doubt that. A No Lynch is fine if we have any blues left, but I don't think we do. | ||
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On July 07 2012 03:55 iamperfection wrote: Why would give yourself 2 votes? if you want a no lynch just pick someone with 0. the scum could come in at the last min and get a lynch. Okay then. ##UnVote ##Vote Keirathi | ||
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In the end I still will vote for the majority but till then ##Vote Promethelax | ||
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On July 10 2012 04:52 Hopeless1der wrote: Bob, you believe the arguments against me are more believable. However, you also believe that Prom is scummier than me. In addition, Promethelax is one of the players who has built up a case against me. In fact, I believe it is his case that is responsible for me being accused of being scum. Given that you think Promethelax is scum, his case should not have valuable merit to you, or it should look very suspicious to you. If you think he is scum, there is a good chance that I am not scum and therefore you would do well to vote against the player that Promethelax voted for. The alternative is that we are both scum and Promethelax is sacrificing me for the good of the scum team. Figuring out this situation is the reason we want you to go through the thread and post your reads. It would make it clearer what your opinion is, and make it easier for us to decide who to vote for based on who out of the players most heavily involved are scummiest. Yes you have a point but unfortunately it doesn't matter, he could be busing you or you might not be scum, what matters is what the others think, if we can get a vote on Prome and he gets lynched I think we win, but I think people will be voting you over him and Ulmaut. Also just because he might be scum does't make his reads any worse, I've gone through them and he's right on almost all of his points. I like Prome a lot but in my opinion he's scummy as hell. That's all I have to say for now, everything else I have to say would just be a rehashing of something said earlier. | ||
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On July 10 2012 05:06 AmericanUmlaut wrote: Totally off topic, guys, but seriously, how hard is it to spell "Umlaut"? I've just been copying everybody else sorry | ||
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On July 10 2012 05:37 Keirathi wrote: Hopeless: how would you feel about voting Prom at this point instead of AU, if Bob is so against voting AU? I gave them basically an equal read earlier today. My main reason not voting Prom instead of AU was that I didn't feel confident enough in my debate skill to convince people who had given Prom support and basically a free ride throughout the whole game to vote for him at this point. If he survived another night, maybe, but with the way today has gone, its virtually guaranteed that he will survive another night regardless of if he's scum or not. I call bullshit on this, If you thought it was him then you should have at least said so, you are getting more and more scummy as the day goes on, what the fuck is up with that. | ||
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On July 10 2012 05:43 Hopeless1der wrote: Bob, Keirathi has said Prom is his top read all along. And holy shit you got judgmental all of a sudden. Where the hell was this when we needed it. His reasoning is laid out in this post: + Show Spoiler + On July 10 2012 01:52 Keirathi wrote: I don't necessarily think he is scummier than you. I also don't think I'm a good enough debater/convincing enough to get people that have shown you support all game to vote for you. The longer you stay alive, the scummier you seem, so while I feel you and AU and approx. the same read right now, I'm a bit more comfortable voting him today than you. If you really want, I can lay out my full case against you, too, though. I dunno, its hard to explain. His recent posting reeks of...desperation? But basically my whole scumread on him was based on his Day 1 actions, and there's virtually nothing since then that really feels scummy. I haven't completely dismissed him, but for now I'm not voting for him. As far as my percentages changing, my reads were from Day1+Night1+Day2+half of Night2. Now I've been playing for another Half of Night2+Day3+Night3+Day4. There's basically double the information now. Ah I forgot about that I'm sorry, at any rate where was I, I was dealing with personal shit, my grandmother was in the hospital, but as I said its all good now. | ||
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