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On June 20 2012 08:18 Unforgiven_ve wrote:oh, and Crossfire, your analisus about sciberbia was very good, i was inclining to him being the last scum, till i realized milton was still alive for no apparent reason .
On June 19 2012 05:23 Crossfire99 wrote:I'm glad that someone found my case to not be convincing (I was hoping it was someone I had a less solid read on than you solstice ). I only decided to look into sciberbia once i saw in his filter him trying to get a second vigi to claim and his question early this night. As I wrote the whole thing up, I realized that he is playing very townie and there is no way he is scum, but I decided to post my case anyway to get some reactions. Since I'm not not going to be around close to the deadline, I have to post this now which is unfortunate because I was hoping more people would have to respond to it, but oh well. You think my case on sciberbia is good??? I said after I posted it that I thought it wasn't good...
##Vote Unforgiven_ve
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Oh, also if unforgiven flips green, I'm going to guess that either milton or golden are mafia, but i have both of them as pretty much town right now...unforgiven better flip red. lol
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On June 21 2012 05:54 sciberbia wrote: @suki, crossfire Are you guys talking about me? Why does everyone keep calling me s0Lstice?
I don't think I've been talking about you except for my big post on you during the night phase. I think I've correctly referred to you when I meant you, but I'm not sure what post of mine you're referencing.
Also, fyi everybody, I'm not going to be around during the lynch and the whole night phase following. I should be back soon after the beginning of the coming day (around 30 hours after the time of this post) assuming we don't win with this lynch and assuming I'm still alive after the night should this lynch not seal the deal.
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Ok I'm back earlier than I thought I would be. I don't have much time before the night post, so I'll just say a few things.
@alan Sciberbia can't be mafia. See my giant case on him the last night and solstice's response to it as well as sciberbia's response to it. After spending I don't know how long on it, and coming in to the argument with the assumption that he was mafia and trying to show it, I discovered after reading through his filter and the thread that he can't be mafia.
As for Milton: With my quick glance of your case suki, I think there are some good points there. I am going to have to investigate for myself, though. Last night, when I posted my thoughts I came at everything using the first lynch as a guide, and thought that the only two people who needed to be looked into more because they didn't really contribute to the lynch (or hadn't flipped yet or weren't pushed by mafia as alternative lynches) were milton and sciberbia. The only reason I didn't look more into milton was because I completely forgot about MJ/unforgiven because MJ didn't vote day 1 and wasn't considered in my day 1 lynch analysis, and once people started looking into him I started focusing on that to the detriment of other cases.
Basically what I'm saying is we should all look into milton if we survive the night.
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So I went through Golden's filter and I think he is just a frustrated townie. Look at these posts from the beginning of the game.
On June 14 2012 08:39 O.Golden_ne wrote: Hey guys
getting stuck into reading now, expect incoming analysis from myself.
currently at work but expect some @lunch
golden
On June 14 2012 13:25 O.Golden_ne wrote: I'm still working on my response; hold your horses i have a busy life!
quickly now though, to me it was obvious that miltonkrams vote was a friendly gesture. obviously not to be taken seriously.
@HeavOnEarth. obviously i havent been super active, but i dont feel like my first post was nearly as scummy as its been made out to be. You yourself havent been the most active!
Golden
On June 14 2012 17:36 O.Golden_ne wrote: Okay. Love it or hate it i haven't been too present thus fair. That being said i'm about to drop some knowledge on everyone. I'm just gonna post this little post structure so you know im working on it as we speak.
Summary of D1 to date (this is more for my benefit because i've been away and i find it a good method of developing insight into a situation.
Response regarding Alan, HeavonEarth and Suki situations (at a glance these names seem to be trending highly)
My reads and analysis
Any sexy tidbits and notable nuggets
this is going to be my most active time over the next few hours as i've got the night off and i'm in bed on my laptop!
see you on the otherside of a Wall of Text. Now look at his most recent posts.
On June 16 2012 21:31 O.Golden_ne wrote: Lol last time i ever stick my neck out for someone i think is town, what a retard alan. your argument that i contradict myself is invalid. I don't ever contradict myself, i purely state that no-one is ever confirmed town until they flip after saying that i think you are safe. read it again bro.
On June 16 2012 21:33 O.Golden_ne wrote: •O.Golden_ne holds little to no doubt to anyone.
Crossfire + Trackdoor
•O.Golden_ne agrees with everyone, especially on cases not against scums
I dont agree with you.
•O.Golden_ne made a few long posts, but it mostly echoes what other people had said.
Theres somethign wrong with sharing the same opinion as another player? ok....
•O.Golden_ne does do not remember his own arguments for a case. He forgets about it in another post and made contradicting arguments. It feels like he blatantly made arguments so he can agree.
you are a retard.
•O.Golden_ne redirects the spotlight away from himself
only because i know i'm town and its a waste of time. far out man. now i'm gonna get slack for saying im town! haha the mafia will be reading this laughing his arse off.
•O.Golden_ne gives very little insights. He merely say "I don't like this", "I feel like" without saying why. There is a more recent example: + Show Spoiler +
i dont hold any undergraduate degree, i'm hardly a scholar.
my case on alan. he is a wanker.
On June 17 2012 20:38 O.Golden_ne wrote: Sorry for being rude. but this game gets me super anxious. i did over react a bit.
i'd be happy to be on the list if there was one generated. but i want trackd00r at the #1 spot on the list. that's my trade off.
bold move from s0lstice and i am also wary of this being a scum-slip.
how about:
Trackd00r, Me, s0stice, 4th person (i dont mind because i think Trackd00r will flip red).
i'm wary of unforgiven also, he's replaced MJ yet morphed into the same character.
Obviously, we don't have the greatest filter to work with, so take this with a grain of salt. My opinion is this: ignore him as a lynch candidate in this next cycle. If he gets modkilled because he doesn't participate, it is the same as him being lynched, so it is useless to go for a lynch on him this day.
As for who to actually lynch, I'm up for lynching milton purely based on who I have town reads of: sciberbia and suki (ignoring golden but he is probably town). I'll do a short post on some things I notice from Milton's filter in my post after this one.
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I just noticed this post from Milton. + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2012 06:38 Miltonkram wrote:Alright, I caught up on the thread after I woke up. Here are my thoughts. sukiI can see her play being overzealous townie, but she hasn't done much to convince me. Another reason I'm suspicious is that she's ignored my case against her. I remember during my game as scum it was very tempting to ignore pressure and just hope that people would drop their cases instead of actually defending myself. I won't be dropping my pressure until I get a satisfactory response. @ s0Lstice, be wary of meta arguments. Scum, especially newbie scum, adapt their play from game to game. Crossfire99He's been coaching a lot without putting up any real content besides his weak pressure on austinmcc. I've got my eye on him. alan133roflwaffle's case on him was fairly decent. I don't understand why he dropped it. He's "contributed" without putting much pressure on players. roflwaffles55I'm suspicious of this guy based on two of his posts. First one is a response to s0Lstice/sciberbia: Show nested quote +Sure!
When it comes to lynching lurkers I would agree in that it shouldn't be the focus, and would prefer to lynch someone acting scummy day 1.
As to NL, I am firmly against it and if we can't get a clear majority on scummy-acting folks then we should at least lynch a lurker, especially on D1 and 2. Notice the eager to please tone of his post. I'm looking at it as a possible scumslip. His 2nd suspicious post: Show nested quote +I agree that I may have been a bit too aggressive right off the bat, but I implore you to look at my arguments and his, and take more from it then just an overzealous attempt on my part.
##unvote alan133
There you go, I'm still suspicious, but I may have underestimated the significance of a vote. Notice how self-conscious he is in this post, especially in that last line. I realize that several players weren't interested in his case, but there is absolutely no harm in keeping pressure on a player until they give you a satisfactory defense. Essentially he backs down from his pressure based on a tiny reprimand from Crossfire. It seems like he's trying to keep himself out of the spotlight. Mouldy JebDitto what s0Lstice said. The one thing I have to add is for people to look at his latest post. He apologizes and makes a bare bones defense of his posting that reeks of self-conscious play. He's #1 on my scumdar right now. Golden + HeavOnEarthGet in the thread and post more. You guys can start by giving me your opinions on this post. Obviously all these players can't be scum. I'll be looking through the thread more to see what I can do about narrowing down my list of suspicious players. Right now I'm leaning towards roflwaffles and MJ. I'm waiting to see if suki actually defends herself this time around. Isn't it a little weird that he finds rofl scummy based on the two posts he quotes, but then likes his case on alan? It's just something to think about.
Anyway I just found these quotes by him. I'll bold the important points.
On June 17 2012 11:17 Miltonkram wrote:Trackd00r is my #1 scum suspect at this point. Here are a few things to keep in mind when looking at the D1 lynch. What scum motivations were there for a voteswitch? At what point did players move their votes over? Seeing that 3 players had moved their votes in quick succesion(suki, me, and roflwaffles + Show Spoiler +Funny tidbit. Spoilered cuz it's unimportant. Suki ninja'd me with her vote. I remember posting my vote and then looking back and being like, "hold on a second, this page is waaaaayyy longer than I remember when I refreshed." ) I find her being scum unlikely. Really think about this now, if suki and roflwaffles were both scum they were essentially going all in on bussing HeavOnEarth blowing any chance that town mislynches D1. Blowing such a chance seems like a pretty gutsy play so maybe she learned well from Xatalos, but I'm not entirely convinced. Don't know if you guys agree, does this make sense to everyone?Maybe this is too WIFOMy, but I feel like the safe play for scum would have been to have one player voting HeavOnEarth in order to gain some of the town cred in case he got lynched and one player voting someone else in order to keep a little momentum towards a possible mislynch. This isn't a strong point, so my opinions aren't the only things hinging on this. Regarding why I think trackd00r is scum, a lot of it has to do with the D1 lynch analysis that I outlined earlier. Other than that he spends a lot of time pressuring easy players (Crossfire and Golden), and putting up some pretty weak pressure. I don't think his priorities are in line with a town player's priorities. I have read suki's case and it was pretty good. I'd recommend you all take a second look at it. If she's wrong about trackd00r I'll give the case against her a second look with a different perspective. I don't think she's wrong though.##Vote: trackd00r
On June 19 2012 03:53 Miltonkram wrote:Hi guys. @ s0Lstice Yes, I am a bit surprised. @ sciberbia I'm pretty exhausted. Had to work an extremely long shift. If I feel like I'm about to get mislynched or people have questions about what motivated any of my posts I'll defend myself/answer questions. I will answer your question about my breadcrumbing comment. Please pardon me if my posting is a little incoherent. I'm really tired. You had been commenting quite a bit on blue role play and I thought I needed to add my two cents. I was trying to figure out ways for us to get enough confirmed town players to make it impossible for scum to win. At first I was thinking about the possibility of confirming two townies if we had a jailkeeper. One would claim they were RB'd and the jailer would show us his/her breadcrumb. I thought of what could go wrong after I posted my advice. What if we had a scum RBer and they breadcrumbed their action and used this to become confirmed town? My mind kind of exploded then. I was also thinking of confirming town players through a cop, but that would require this game not to be a setup with double godfathers. I find that a distinct possibility (if we have a cop) because I could see prplhz making a setup that is basically a "fuck you" to town players who rely too much on blue roles. Does this make sense? Basically my thoughts were chasing themselves around in circles and I didn't think all the possibilities through when I posted my breadcrumbing comment. I'm hoping everyone ignored it. Edit: I wrote this last night but my internet went out. Posting it now. Just so you know, I'm not going to waste a ton of time defending myself. I'd much prefer to scumhunt. Suki seems like the most logical lynch candidate for this upcoming day cycle. I'd prefer not to spend an entire day with the focus on her. I'll be rereading the thread to see if there is anything people missed. Analysis will be on it's way in a little while.
On June 20 2012 08:42 Miltonkram wrote: I want to make a few comments on the situation we're in.
We seem to have consolidated on Unforgiven for our lynch today. Do not let this kill discussion! I see no harm in moving our discussion forward.
At this point our scum player has no one to defend but himself/herself. There is no one on the scum team left to protect anymore so any comments that our scum player makes are with the full intent of making himself/herself look as townie as possible as opposed to covering the tracks of another player. I say this because suki and I are likely the next players on the chopping block. Under this reasoning there's almost nothing we can do to convince town of our innocence. There's nothing suki can do to convince me she isn't scum if Unforgiven flips green, and, if I'm thinking correctly from any of the confirmed town players' viewpoints, there is nothing that I can do to convince you of my innocence.
Back to my point. We're lynching Unforgiven today but there is no harm in getting things out of the way for future discussion. If the game continues after this day cycle because Unforgiven flips green (I find it really unlikely at this point), either suki or I is next. First of all, is this correct? Do you guys have any questions for either of us or things you need clarified about our play? If this is correct and you decide on lynching one of us, consolidate on it quickly and let us know that there is no way we can defend ourselves. That way, if we're town, we can spend our time helping out as much as possible rather than wasting it on a defense that no one will listen to anyway.
Edit: Just saw Unforgiven's case on me. Posting this anyway. Not really seeing anything in it that sciberbia hasn't already pointed out. Will respond to it shortly after I've reread it a couple times.
So he went from being pretty much convinced of suki's townieness and really liking her case to thinking she's scum in the second post, but then we should ignore her? Huh??? Finally, he says suki is scum if unforgiven is green. What convinced him so completely that suki is scum? He never mentioned it in his posts. He just says she is scum. Also I don't get how if someone is the most logical candidate for a lynch you should just ignore them. You should pressure them and get responses to get more info. Additionally, he doesn't even mention that he no longer thinks that suki is scum or whatever. If unforgiven was scum then suki is town. How does this not factor into his posts at all. He just magically ignores his top scum read in favor of the new bandwagon with no explanation whatsoever. I don't like it at all.
##Vote Miltonkram
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@Crossfire I've gone through your filter one last time and there's no way I'm ever voting for you. So if you're mafia, congrats on the win. But if I'm right about you (which I think I am), and you're right about me (which you are), we can kill 2 out of 3: suki, miltonkram, and golden. I'm honestly still not sure, but I'm leaning toward suki being mafia. If only milton and golden would contribute more...
I still need to look more at miltonkram and suki. I don't know where all my time went tonight. It is actually past 5 AM. 6:30 PM EST tomorrow I'll be back to the game and make more definitive posts before I sleep. No NBA game to distract me tomorrow. [/QUOTE]
I feel the same way about you. Are you going to be around from 6:30 EDT (it should be EDT not EST) until you sleep? I want to be able to discuss stuff with you and I'll probably be on sometime soon after 9:00 EDT.
Also, golden get in here and post your thoughts. I am really interested in your thoughts on this whole situation.
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Ugh. I messed up my quote. This is what my last post should have looked like.
@Crossfire I've gone through your filter one last time and there's no way I'm ever voting for you. So if you're mafia, congrats on the win. But if I'm right about you (which I think I am), and you're right about me (which you are), we can kill 2 out of 3: suki, miltonkram, and golden. I'm honestly still not sure, but I'm leaning toward suki being mafia. If only milton and golden would contribute more...
I still need to look more at miltonkram and suki. I don't know where all my time went tonight. It is actually past 5 AM. 6:30 PM EST tomorrow I'll be back to the game and make more definitive posts before I sleep. No NBA game to distract me tomorrow.
I feel the same way about you. Are you going to be around from 6:30 EDT (it should be EDT not EST) until you sleep? I want to be able to discuss stuff with you and I'll probably be on sometime soon after 9:00 EDT.
Also, golden get in here and post your thoughts. I am really interested in your thoughts on this whole situation.
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On June 22 2012 18:10 sciberbia wrote:Also, can you explain this quote? Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 06:27 O.Golden_ne wrote: I'm not really impressed with the case on me, if i get bussed off by the mafia and you see i flip scum i ask you consider HeavonEarth as a prime candidate or lynch. While i'm not happy with the case made against me (it doesn't really feel that solid) HeavonEarth jumps on the bandwagon very easily. I'd like to hear other people's thoughts on this too. Is it just me or does he claim scum hardcore? How can this be a typo? And how drunk would he have to be to slip this as mafia? + Show Spoiler + Yay! I can quote correctly again.
Thinking about this, I actually think this completely proves Golden's innocence. One of the rules of this game is to play to win. If golden is scum and actually died there, he just outed his mafia buddy. This is completely against the rules and therefore he just ruined the game for everyone. I actually think it is a just typo.
Also, if it turns out that golden is scum, this game better be declared a misgame or something due to the above quote.
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On June 22 2012 23:39 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 18:10 sciberbia wrote:Also, can you explain this quote? On June 15 2012 06:27 O.Golden_ne wrote: I'm not really impressed with the case on me, if i get bussed off by the mafia and you see i flip scum i ask you consider HeavonEarth as a prime candidate or lynch. While i'm not happy with the case made against me (it doesn't really feel that solid) HeavonEarth jumps on the bandwagon very easily. I'd like to hear other people's thoughts on this too. Is it just me or does he claim scum hardcore? How can this be a typo? And how drunk would he have to be to slip this as mafia? + Show Spoiler + Yay! I can quote correctly again. Thinking about this, I actually think this completely proves Golden's innocence. One of the rules of this game is to play to win. If golden is scum and actually died there, he just outed his mafia buddy. This is completely against the rules and therefore he just ruined the game for everyone. I actually think it is a just typo. Also, if it turns out that golden is scum, this game better be declared a misgame or something due to the above quote.
Nevermind. Ignore this analysis. I was advised by a coach that this should only be viewed as a slip of the tongue. No matter his alignment, he should have written town. We should use the rest of his filter to judge him.
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Ok I'm back. Ask me whatever you want. I'll be around for as long as it takes me to finish watching Liquid Rising. (I'll still check the thread periodically during it).
Ok I like Milton's defense of the accusations against him as well as his points on Golden. He makes solid points especially the bus on day 1 first thing, which was the reason I completely cleared him in my head to begin with early on. He also explains how the night kill of austin makes sense if golden is mafia. I honestly couldn't for the life of me figure out why austin died night 1, but now it makes sense.
##Unvote ##Vote: O.Golden_ne
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@sciberbia I'm not going to be around until after the lynch happens. Hopefully golden is actually scum, but if not I still think suki is town, so that leaves me with milton. I'll read your post on milton during the night and we can discuss then.
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Ok I'm here and all I have to say is that this game is just ridiculous. Now it looks like I got some reading to do...
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I'm just going to sleep on everything right now. I'll be back before the deadline tomorrow.
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On June 22 2012 12:58 suki wrote:
And Crossfire has two big things going for him in my mind (aside from all the other points put forth by other players). The first is his case against sciberbia. No scum is going to attack the strongest townie in the game. They are just gonna shoot him at night. If a scum is gonna be aggressive at all he's gonna target the easy targets. Second, I really really have faith in my meta-game read on him. His helpful tone in the beginning is consistent with his helpful tone in the mafia QT in his past game. This is not something you fake as mafia, this is part of one's personality. He genuinely wants to help town and the helpful tone bubbles out. If he were mafia, that desire to help would not be so genuine.
Suki, is the bolded part no longer valid in your town read on me since you think sciberbia is the last scum? If so, is the only reason you trust me because of meta?
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On June 25 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote:Here are my thoughts on the remaining players. CrossfirePoints in his favor: - Both roflwaffles and HeavOnEarth targeted him heavily before they died. They targeted him before they knew that their lives were forfeit and that town wouldn't lend credence to their opinions therefore I seriously believe that they were trying to get him lynched. He gets a lot of town points for that. - He didn't contribute to the HeavOnEarth lynch, but was the first to pressure roflwaffles N1. Considering he had no knowledge of what blue roles were around at the time I see this as an unnecessary risk by a scum player. More town points. Points against him: - I disagree with some of the opinions he had D1. That's all I have against him. sukiPoints in her favor: - She's taken incorrect stances during the game, but she's never backed down from the reasons she made the plays she has. - She took the correct stances against both HeavOnEarth and roflwaffles. - Her play ever since D1 has been very townie. Once again, this is easy to do since she doesn't have any scumbuddies to defend, but the fact that she's played with a sense of urgency and has actively promoted a lot of discussion has to be counted in her favor. Points against her: - She ignored my pressure against her D1 until I commented that she was ignoring it. - She made a bad case against trackd00r and backed down from it after being called out. Her defense of this play was also unsatisfactory. Could suki be our final mafia? Perhaps, but I also think she overlooked an important point in sciberbia's play that may be the key to a correct final lynch. sciberbiaPoints in his favor: - Correctly put pressure on HeavOnEarth. Voted HeavOnEarth. - Correctly put pressure on roflwaffles. - He's made his reads and has rarely backed down from them. There is a possible townie logic to all of his actions. Points against him: - He mentioned HeavOnEarth as a D1 lynch candidate as part of a list. I did this too, so I can see townie reasoning behind this. However he didn't vote on HeavOnEarth until it was abundantly clear that there was no hope for another D1 lynch target. - He only attacked roflwaffles after Crossfire had posted this. + Show Spoiler +Then Milton (+ Show Spoiler +), roflwaffle (+ Show Spoiler +), and Golden (+ Show Spoiler +) all jump on the bandwagon without much new to add (not necessarily scummy in and of itself, there is only so much one can add based on one day's filter). I did notice a really weird thing about roflwaffle's post, though. He's upset that we are going to get too easy of a lynch and said that he knows Heavon is suspicious but thinks it's more worthwhile to attack someone with more influence like me (huh?, I've been under suspicion all day, if anything that makes people look at me more closely, there's no way I'm going to be influential). Also, his suspicion of Heavon up to that point consists of this. + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2012 02:44 roflwaffles55 wrote: I'm going to post as though all of these people are scum, and the impact they have a chance to make if they are left alive. I think it will give a different way of thinking about it.
HeavOnEarth
His play is quite suspicious and his accusations and suspicions lackluster at best. He could just as easily be an awful townie as scum.
Overall he's been fairly ineffectual, but if he's hiding behind a mask of confusion and bad reads, he could be an annoyance as scum later on.
I believe that the most lynchable potential scum right now would be Crossfire99. I understand that there are already votes on HeavOnEarth, but if he really is that incompetent at bringing cases to the table, as a scum, why would he try to post them? He is suspicious to me, but not as suspicious as Crossfire. Unless he responds to the accusations in a convincing and collected manner soon, I strongly believe that he should be lynched.
##vote Crossfire99 All of this suspicion came after solstice's case against Heavon and he adds nothing new to it except postulating that he could be an awful townie (we now know that's not true). This makes me suspicious of roflwaffle. Roflwaffles had made a couple scumslips that were, in my opinion, indefensible. I think it was pretty clear that Crossfire was going to pursue his case against roflwaffles. Sciberbia could have just jumped on it knowing that there was nothing he could do to save him. - Sciberbia was obsessed with blue play after the D1 lynch. This could have been to draw out comments from players that, given his confidence in his analytical abilities, he could use to bluesnipe. I say this because when it became obvious that it would be 1 scum vs. 8 town, what blue roles we had could have played a deciding factor in this game. The safe play for scum would have been to try and draw some awkward comments out of blue roles. I'll be looking back through his filter to see just what kind of comments he made on blue roles. @ suki I find your end-game scenario of me/you/sciberbia a very viable possibility. Ask yourself why sciberbia has survived this long when the correct play by either of us would have probably been to shoot him early on? Please revisit your case against him. I'm heading to the wedding that I'm out of town for. I'll be able to post again when I get back in about 8-9ish hours. Seriously, you are going to go with Sciberbia as your top scum read? Really!? I attacked him night 2 with a crazy in depth post and there is no way that he is scum. You also use the same points against him that I did, but I did a lot more research and I came into that post thinking that he was scum and after I wrote it, I came out realizing that he was town. Even suki thinks he is town after attacking him but then realizing there is no way he is mafia. (Thank goodness you backed down suki. If you didn't, it might have been enough for me to change my opinion on you.)
Milton this just makes me even more suspicious of you. Also, when did you clear suki of your suspicions enough to attack one of the most townie reads in the entire game? I feel like I am rehashing the same points with you again. You go from suki is town to suki is definitely scum and you only explained that after I pressured you earlier. Now you are back to suki is town because that is what she would be if sciberbia is scum. How does this make any sense? You barely explain your reasoning from jumping from suki to sciberbia.
Also, I find it funny that you were the first one to bring up golden as potentially being scummy. Everyone else had him pretty much as town (I even thought he was a frustrated townie after I read through his filter even though I though I was initially suspicious of him beforehand), until you threw out your tidbits of suspicion, but you never really posted a case on him yourself, just some suspicions with little proof. You let suki do that for you because you knew she is not afraid of being wrong. You hoped you would be able to slide under the radar by doing this, but now you can't. I don't even know if you could explain your actions away again this time. You are definitely still my top scum read.
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gg sciberbia. Now I want to hear from both suki and milton on what has happened, specifically on milton's post and my case against him. I want to hear if suki agrees with my points or not because she also is suspcious of him. I also want to hear milton's defense and why he suddenly found sciberbia scummy.
I also just realized that this game went longer than I anticipated, so I am actually not going to be able to post in this thread until sometime on Tuesday. I don't even know what time on Tuesday, but I will probably only have a short time to do so. I will be back before the deadline to read your responses and I will vote. You can count on that. + Show Spoiler +assuming I don't get into a car accident again lol
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I'll be waiting for your post on the ways suki slipped up, milton. I'll be back before the deadline to read them, but until then:
Don't worry, suki, I got your back.
##Vote Miltonkram
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Just saw your post milton. I don't have time to read it now. I'll be back right before the deadline to read it and make a final judgment.
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