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On June 11 2012 18:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 13:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: What is it with people absolutely losing their heads when they get accused these days. Grey please just take a step back, though you may not think you are, you're coming across very defensive. Also I'm just gonna say right now I'm EXTREMELY wary of lynching VE. He's been mislynched two games in a row (I was directly responsible for one of them). While that does not excuse him from scrutiny, I'm gonna have a hard time voting for his lynch. hehehehehhe. So who's up for lynching meapak with me?
while i find his logic bad, Do you really think saying that would push a scum agenda?
Additionally, In my post that you quoted above, I did not vote ace because he supported RNG, I voted him because he supported RNG and then just left without talking about how he wanted it done or anything.
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On June 11 2012 22:21 Palmar wrote: To clarify, the logic is terrible, but that doesn't make him scum. While using bad logic may be an indicator of someone being scum, it's not conclusive, because townies tend to be well... dumb.
The point is that he's using bad logic to avoid reaching a conclusion. If he was using bad logic to actually do something with it, like conclude someone he wanted to lynch, or decide that someone is town, I'd not be so eager to kill him. It's the fact that he's basically saying nothing for no reason that makes him scum.
Now, about VisceraEyes, there isn't a case against him yet, and meapak is much more likely to flip scum anyway. VE has a nice habit of looking ridiculously much like town when he is one, so we'll know soon enough.
The reason VE has been getting mislynched is because mafia has been pushing the idea he's scum, not because he has been scummy, or that was at least the case in Liar Game. I was scum myself and just chose to ignore the fact he was looking pretty towny.
Thanks, that makes sense.
While you are on a roll of clarity, I would like to hear your opinion on chaoser. I'm a bit worried with regards to him
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On June 11 2012 09:43 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 09:13 GreYMisT wrote: Still gathering my thoughts, But I do need to see more out of Brown Bear as well as MZ in addition to my Wiggles suspicion
Also I hope that is not your complete reasoning for voting VE, haha.
The fact that you show no suspicion to the usage of terms along with the rest of your posting makes me extremely suspicious of you. ##vote: greymist
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On June 12 2012 00:20 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 00:07 GreYMisT wrote:On June 11 2012 09:43 chaoser wrote:On June 11 2012 09:13 GreYMisT wrote: Still gathering my thoughts, But I do need to see more out of Brown Bear as well as MZ in addition to my Wiggles suspicion
Also I hope that is not your complete reasoning for voting VE, haha.
The fact that you show no suspicion to the usage of terms along with the rest of your posting makes me extremely suspicious of you. ##vote: greymist http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558¤tpage=12#223Your previous posts were the ones that lead me to be suspicious of you, your weird response to the townie/towny post (which might have just been me thinking everyone would think like me but they didn't so your reaction is less suspicious now though still in my mind) was just the last drop in the bucket. And seeing as how you're here, you've got less than 12 hours till end of day yo. And you still haven't been doing much of anything.
I really do need to get better about sleep posting
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I voted Ace in an attempt to study different reactions. The inactivity of a few players really hasn't helped a lot with this plan, but I have gathered a bit:
Gonzaw: questions why I would vote for Ace and not other inactive players. I don't think gonzaw is scum
Chaoser: Uses my vote as part of his justification to jump onto me after calling Gonzaw's case bad. i can see both town and mafia reasons for doing this. I'm regarding this reaction as a null.
Ace: No real reaction other than asking me some questions.
As far as the current, active, players. I agree with Palmar in lynching MZ.
I was initially suspicous of him with my post here:
On June 11 2012 13:37 GreYMisT wrote: And woah woah woah. You are hesitant to vote VE because of misslynching him under completely different circumstances in a different game?
But did not follow up on it because I thought he might be using just really bad logic.
I like Palmar's argument regarding him though, So i'd be willing to lynch him today.
Also chaoser, you never answered my question. who aside from me do you want to lynch?
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Palmar why havnt you voted MZ yet if you want to lynch him?
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On June 12 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 01:08 GreYMisT wrote:I voted Ace in an attempt to study different reactions. The inactivity of a few players really hasn't helped a lot with this plan, but I have gathered a bit: Gonzaw: questions why I would vote for Ace and not other inactive players. I don't think gonzaw is scum Chaoser: Uses my vote as part of his justification to jump onto me after calling Gonzaw's case bad. i can see both town and mafia reasons for doing this. I'm regarding this reaction as a null. Ace: No real reaction other than asking me some questions.
As far as the current, active, players. I agree with Palmar in lynching MZ. I was initially suspicous of him with my post here: On June 11 2012 13:37 GreYMisT wrote: And woah woah woah. You are hesitant to vote VE because of misslynching him under completely different circumstances in a different game? But did not follow up on it because I thought he might be using just really bad logic. I like Palmar's argument regarding him though, So i'd be willing to lynch him today. Also chaoser, you never answered my question. who aside from me do you want to lynch? *sigh* LAL anyone? I won't support a MZ lynch today, if we still have Greymist, Wiggles and maybe BrownBear still around. I reread his filter and I don't find him as townie as I thought, but I don't want a bandwagon to form on him now, specially if nobody post why they wouldn't lynch Greymist or Wiggles instead @Palmar: So, do you plan on commenting on this shit we've been doing these past few days or will you just try to live in your own little world up there? Radfield is still disappeared...interesting.
I should have know that I should have said "I'm going to vote Ace just to see what others will do" along with my vote.
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On June 12 2012 04:01 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Wait, so you seriously think I'm scum based on my reaction to your retarded "scumslip" post? My role PM doesn't even SAY ANYTHING about townie/y - my claim was a joke based on the fact that I've been claiming early the last few games.
##Vote: MZ
I enjoy these little talks guys. It was sarcasm (lol I can't believe you guys keep falling for it). Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 03:47 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote: @Palmar: So, do you plan on commenting on this shit we've been doing these past few days or will you just try to live in your own little world up there?
Radfield is still disappeared...interesting. What is it that I should comment on? Can you stop being an asshole and acting as if I'm not playing the game wtf is this shit, I've commented on just about everyone and everything in the game, why do people keep saying I'm not playing. fuck off. You didn't post any thoughts about Greymist nor Wiggles, and the discussion pertaining those 2, for instance @Meapak: I don't see you doing shit, I may end up supporting your lynch after all. All these past few posts of you have been you bickering against Palmar and other people and not contributing at all.
You know the majority of sarcasm is tone of voice. In a game where we need to take what everyone is saying at close to face value these sarcasm posts really only serve to muddy the thread.
I am more convinced that MZ needs to be lynched today. instead of focusing in on the lynch he instead is attacking the credibility of otheres (Palmar/VE)
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On June 12 2012 04:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: And for those people who are complaining that I am "not contributing," relax. We have like 24 hours or something. I've already stated that I would support a greymist lynch, if you people actually need me to write a massive "analysis" (although it may not count because Palmar hasn't ordained it) I will.
chill people.
Unless I'm wrong we actually have 3 hours.
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On June 12 2012 04:34 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 04:16 GreYMisT wrote:On June 12 2012 04:01 gonzaw wrote:On June 12 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Wait, so you seriously think I'm scum based on my reaction to your retarded "scumslip" post? My role PM doesn't even SAY ANYTHING about townie/y - my claim was a joke based on the fact that I've been claiming early the last few games.
##Vote: MZ
I enjoy these little talks guys. It was sarcasm (lol I can't believe you guys keep falling for it). On June 12 2012 03:47 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote: @Palmar: So, do you plan on commenting on this shit we've been doing these past few days or will you just try to live in your own little world up there?
Radfield is still disappeared...interesting. What is it that I should comment on? Can you stop being an asshole and acting as if I'm not playing the game wtf is this shit, I've commented on just about everyone and everything in the game, why do people keep saying I'm not playing. fuck off. You didn't post any thoughts about Greymist nor Wiggles, and the discussion pertaining those 2, for instance @Meapak: I don't see you doing shit, I may end up supporting your lynch after all. All these past few posts of you have been you bickering against Palmar and other people and not contributing at all. You know the majority of sarcasm is tone of voice. In a game where we need to take what everyone is saying at close to face value these sarcasm posts really only serve to muddy the thread. I am more convinced that MZ needs to be lynched today. instead of focusing in on the lynch he instead is attacking the credibility of otheres (Palmar/VE) It was obvious it was sarcasm as soon as I mentioned the "Vanilla Towny" thing...which is why I did it. I'd really like you to link those games you've played before (Student mafia was it? Or something) And I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...mainly because you are active, and trying to do shit...even if that shit is absolutely nothing at all (and because nobody is pushing you right now and doing so would most likely mean me tunneling you and shitting the thread up). Who would like a Wiggles or a BrownBear lynch?
It was Steamship and Election, though you could also read LoTR and MLP for examples
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On June 12 2012 05:05 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 04:56 GreYMisT wrote:On June 12 2012 04:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: And for those people who are complaining that I am "not contributing," relax. We have like 24 hours or something. I've already stated that I would support a greymist lynch, if you people actually need me to write a massive "analysis" (although it may not count because Palmar hasn't ordained it) I will.
chill people. Unless I'm wrong we actually have 3 hours. My time says 4 hours to go.
EDIT: Hmm, Apparently my times are all messed up. Very well, today will end in 3 hours.
You know I'm always right
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Well, you know. 3 hours to go and all that.
I will be back in about 1 hour and 30 minutes before lynch time.
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On June 12 2012 06:31 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Hey Rad! Bro! Vote for MZ for town victory! I'm considering it, but his demeanor is very unscumlike. That being said I think he has the ability to put up excellent defenses as scum when his back is against the wall. He had me second guessing myself in PYP:Int, and I basically had a red check on him. He doesn't have anything expressly super-townie in his posts, but his overall in your face/antagonistic playstyle doesn't seem forced or fake. It seems like he doesn't really give a crap, which is a townie trait. THAT being said, some of his posts raise flags(his early posts+ the VE post), but not really enough for me to want to lynch him. I'm also realizing that it doesn't make particular sense to lynch you Day 1 either, as your town play tend to stand out, and you'll get significantly easier to read as the game goes on. It hinges on me finding another candidate though
Got back and still catching up. But just wanted to ask rad a question about his thoughts on MZ.
You say his demeanor is unscumlike, whereas I would say it is pretty scumlike. When he was gaining votes a few hours ago he didnt try to point out other lynch targets or even defend himself, but rather choose to attack credibility.
Give me a minute to perform a quick catch up
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Ok caught up, and have a few things. I Don't like the case on Palmar right now. And the case on BrownBear by Gonzaw amounts to him being abscent, absent BB said he would be due to no internet. With Wiggles gone due to exams or something (hasnt been on steam either so he really has been gone) I still feel my lynch today rests with MZ.
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Well, this SK is bulletproof. Unless he is afraid of the Mafia outing him, he can be the most helpful townie he wants without any fear.
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On June 12 2012 19:10 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 09:29 chaoser wrote:
I actually wasn't even sure how RNGs really worked which is why I asked Radfield. As far as I can tell this never happened. Care to point it out to me? Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 09:29 chaoser wrote:On June 11 2012 09:13 GreYMisT wrote: Still gathering my thoughts, But I do need to see more out of Brown Bear as well as MZ in addition to my Wiggles suspicion
Also I hope that is not your complete reasoning for voting VE, haha.
The fact that you show no suspicion to the usage of terms along with the rest of your posting makes me extremely suspicious of you. ##vote: greymist Can you elaborate on this? What kind of response did you expect to see from Greymist? Greymist, what did you expect to accomplish from voting Ace? That seems like a fairly lame-duck plan to generate content.
Really just wanted to see Gonzaw's reaction in particular. I had hopes that it would draw Ace or other players out, but that was secondary
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On June 12 2012 07:07 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +Hesmyrr, you pushed VE, you're obviously around as you posted an hour ago, yet you are not contributing at all to the lynch. Do you still think VE is the best lynch? Is anyone else on your radar? Pitch in. I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment. Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary.
I dont like this post. He says he is hesitant to vote MZ becuase me and VE voted for him, but through his entire filter I get the idea that he has a null read on me. He then says he is ready to swap up until the last moment. mentioning me here in a negative light could be him justifying a future vote swap onto either me or VE.
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