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On May 07 2012 02:10 ghost_403 wrote: @marv: Stating someone is not posting in game is not the same as calling them scum for not posting in the game. That's why JDub got a star. Jealous?
Where did I call him scum? I called him out for not posting much and what he did post was mainly fluff.
Didn't read the thread lol ghost eh?
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I'm starting to really dislike Nova_Terra. BH just pointed out that he hadn't posted in about a day. And looking at his filter, we have a whole stream of one-liners before that anyway.
A day without posting and we get this:
On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi
Just nothingness. What I don't get is that he had a 'big' case on Mementoss where he reels off a bunch of whole things about why Mementoss is scummy. Except he's basically completely willing to abandon this read because he doesn't like a Kenpachi connection case. It's fair enough not liking connection cases, but to abandon your top read over it?
Also looking back this post is just smelly
On May 04 2012 14:46 Nova_Terra wrote: i resent the fact that many of the players here are well known and have much more sway because of it. I dont even feel like posting when someone will just as easily do something else and get followed. And also there are other reasons for not posting much other than being scum. Right now i think it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd.
Reads as: "I don't wanna post. I don't wanna post. Kill the people who don't wanna post".
After the point I criticised him for not giving his reads, he subsquently gives Mementoss, then has a go at Kenpachi, a bunch of fluff, abandons case on mementoss, afks for a day and a one-liner on Kenpachi. I do not like at all.
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Thanks jdub, I need you to rehash parts of my post for me <3
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On May 07 2012 05:02 johnnywup wrote: Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o
Instead of posting useless shit like this, why not devote your time to filters and a case like you promised?
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On May 07 2012 05:13 papapanda wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 03:00 layabout wrote: Who is more likely to know if one of the mafia team is about to be modkilled? Members of the mafia team who can communicate privately and should know if their team mate is there (no) Members of town who can only see the thread and will have no idea who is watching the thread (yes) Interesting idea mentioned by layabout. The WIFOM would be the mafia knew katina/206 would be modkilled, should they... A) backstab katina/206 and later claim "ooh I called it, dawgs!" [grush?], or should they... B) vote BM and not backstab in hope of katina/206 returning or avoiding someone analyzing their actions as option A)?[layabout/marvel/JW?] Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 04:23 Eiii wrote: So anyway, I'm going to vote for layabout. All the other accusations are good, but one thing most people are missing is that if we had lynched BM and the modkills hadn't happened, we'd be completely lost right now. Lynching a lurker who had done almost literally nothing because he 'might hurt town' gives us zero information. We'd all still be running around in the chaos of day one on day two if kat/206 hadn't fucked up. Between that and the kat defense, I'm throwing my vote on him. If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one. I think lynching layabout is a good option because it can give us hints regardless of his alignment. More so, like Eiii mentions above, if he flips red, but also to some extent points to grush if he flips blue. I also agree with Eiii that if layabout IS red, marvel should be our next lynch. However, I don't agree with Eiii on me being a good shoot option. T-T Afterthought after F5: layabout, I think if you are blue, grush might be our next suspect.
Good god. Are you calling layabout scum or not? And if so, why?
Useless post of connections without even making a stance on layabout's alignment, yukyukyukyukyuk.
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On May 07 2012 05:27 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 05:25 Nova_Terra wrote:On May 07 2012 04:56 Blazinghand wrote:On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi This is not acceptable. Not even close. You might have slipped past my D1 but not any more. Now you die like scum. ##unvote ##vote: Nova_TerraDefend yourself or die like a punk Scumslip, like scum means that you know im not scum and therefore you are scum Seriously though, i know. its impossible to defend myself though, as the biggest case seems to be that im lurking and not contributing. I havent had the time to post in the way i normally would or even make a filter based case. But you have time to tell us that you don't have time to post?
Indeed, and multiple times at that. These responses have just helped firm up my read.
##Vote: Nova_Terra
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On May 07 2012 05:50 Nova_Terra wrote: aggressively jumping, that is
Would have been quite easy for me to bandwagon you on day 1 instead of BM though, wouldn't it?
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On May 07 2012 06:08 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 05:52 marvellosity wrote:On May 07 2012 05:50 Nova_Terra wrote: aggressively jumping, that is Would have been quite easy for me to bandwagon you on day 1 instead of BM though, wouldn't it? him and i were/ are interchangably easy. you progress from him to me. your point?
Because my switch to BM has set off some bells from mem/you etc. I could have avoided this by just voting you on Day 1.
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I'm still pretty keen on a Nova_Terra lynch.
Look at his filter since a few of us called him out at about the same time yesterday. It's all sarcastic one-liners or posts that say so little I can't even find one worth quoting and putting here.
He said he hasn't had time to make a case but he has had time to post about 15 times without saying anything.
Since I called him out on abandoning Mementoss for what was a non-case on Kenpachi, he tells us he still thinks Mementoss is scummy but it didn't seem to get much support - did he push it? no. While he's at it, he also decides to point fingers at me and also blubbdavid, with a maximum of one sentence to back either up.
It seems he is active, but unwilling to build or push any sort of case, instead preferring spam and fingerpointing all round. Still looks like scum.
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Just had a good read of DYH's case on blubbdavid.
If this were a case on Mementoss or layabout (as examples) I'd be switching my vote now. My question though - are you sure it's not just because blubbdavid is bad? The impression, even from his pregame post
On May 02 2012 21:24 blubbdavid wrote: Was about time. Watch out scum, because I will survive till the last day because I don't contribute much even though I am town sigh
is that he doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't think properly. So there are a lot of DYH's case where he's pointing at blubb making terrible connections, or talking about lynching for information, etc. which could be explained away as terrible town.
For reference, in LIII I resisted the lynch of Ottoxlol, a superscummy player, for 2 days on day 2 and day 3 because I thought he was just bad town, and that was in the end proven correct.
Which is why in this circumstance I want to be convinced blubb is actually scummyscumscum and not just bad townie.
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On May 08 2012 04:04 grush57 wrote: Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with blubb over nova, nova seems more like a bad town than scum much more than blubb.(Did that make sense?) Plus, blubb has a good case against him, the only good case so far in the whole game yet.
##vote: Blubbdavid
Hmm, my reads had them the other way round in that regard
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Someone I'm pretty suspicious of at the moment: johnnywup. It's getting stupid now, his inactivity. First excuse for not posting much: LIII
On May 05 2012 10:01 johnnywup wrote: ok LIII is done I'll be a lot more active now
This was Friday evening for jdub. Quite a long time ago. So, the content came a-flowing, right? Of course not. So let's have another excuse shall we, 2 days later after his last promise to be active:
On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote: I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much.
So this is a different reason. Just in case we missed it, of course:
On May 07 2012 10:06 johnnywup wrote: Like I said, I've been super addicted to this 999 game and I'll be putting a LOT more time into this game. I've been alt tabbing and reading what's going on, to keep up (I guess you can call that lurking but I've just been wanting to get all 6 endings to this game asap, but i'll town it down and be more active in thread now that I see it's an issue). If you don't believe me, fine. I don't care. It's the truth. And so, I'll be posting more now, since people are thinking I'm scummy and lurky :u
Holy shit. An entire paragraph... to explain why he's being useless. Repeated apologies, promises to do better without following through - classic scumtells.
On May 07 2012 10:11 johnnywup wrote: Yeah, I'm watching. I guess you could say I'm not playing, or lurking, or whatever. But what I said is the truth. I'm a townie and I've just been super into a game. Anyways I'll make it up to you guys by playing much more from now on.
And again.
But wait, you might say, I saw him say something about blubb at some point once! Well, just to introduce jdub's point on blubb -
On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote: Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial
Bold is mine. Below I quote the only attempt at analysis from jdub for an age.
On May 07 2012 11:12 johnnywup wrote:now that DYH brought up Blubb, this post caught my eye...it's a bit old but it's interesting. Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote: papapanda, unable to even graps that he has a bit more time than just one day, ready to sacrifice me although there are better options like grush. Till now, I have have defended myself better than grush, but papanda is willing to forgive grush for his action because he could be a semi-lurker. Like SA pointed out, reading minds for others, especially at such an early stage of the game is scummy.
Palmar: his play here compared to Liar Game Mafia is opposite. In one game he is interested and active, here, well... Two options: 1. He has no special role here and therefore immediately lost interest. 2. He is scum, scumming scum.
(Note: he is sheeping Kenpachi here, whereas in the other game he is playing king lol)
grush is without doubt the scummiest player here, putting up a strong (read:nonexistant) defense.
##vote grush57 PALMAR IS SCUM SO I'M VOTING GRUSH. If we assume blubb is scum here, his actions don't really have a scum agenda. But they don't really have a town agenda either. I don't get it. I don't know if that's scummy or townie or not alignment telling at all but it's just weird. ESPECIALLY since palmar flipped town. Palmar flipping town means that if blubb is scum, grush is almost definitely town. But even that doesn't make much sense because blubb made a semi-case on palmar. I don't see an agenda from town or scum here, it's just "I think one person is scum so I'm gonna vote for some other guy that I also think is scum but didn't make a case on". It's just ... weird
This is all the analysis. Let's have a look at what he's saying.
1) if blubb is scum, his actions aren't scummy. if he's town, his actions aren't townie. Not saying anything other than it's odd 2) Pointless pontification on Palmar - blubb - grush alignment connections? 3) still doesn't look townie OR scummy 4) Conclusion: stuff is 'weird'
Biggest pile of wishywashy paragraph I can imagine. No firm stances, no nothing at all, really. If that's substantial then I'll... well, I'll leave it for BH.
On May 08 2012 03:37 johnnywup wrote: I agree with DYH and I'll be voting blubb. I had some of the same thoughts but he put it into words.
Finally things are rounded off with his sheepy vote on blubb, possibly (but not certainly?) backed up by his non-accusation quoted above.
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Currently Nova_Terra has not done anything to dissuade me from the belief he's scum, so he is still at the moment my top-read. But johnnywup is not far behind, for his incessant apologies, promises to post more, failure to deliver as such, and awful pretense at analysis/scumhunting.
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On May 08 2012 21:25 froggynoddy wrote: Hmmm, to me Jdub falls into the SA's list of players who: 'are not even trying to appear to act in town best interest which makes it hard to weed out the bad townies from the scum ones'. I need to have a look at NT again, I thought that blubb's case was stronger but perhaps I was wrong.
Still don't like Kenpachi btw...
But the point is jdub is perfectly capable of playing very pro-town, but in this game he seemingly refuses to. 'bad town' simply isn't a valid excuse for him.
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On May 09 2012 04:04 johnnywup wrote: Personally, I think I'm a bad lynch. But that's probably because I'm the one dying. marv's post on me is true, I'm usually more active than this. That's for a number of reasons I don't think are really relevant to the game. laya had a "sudo-FoS" on me, but I agree the non-commital-ness isn't settling. It could be looking for a weak townie (which I will admit I am this game) to lynch. But it could be me looking legitimately scummy. I can see both perspectives. But since a wagon is somewhat forming I'd like to ask you what you gain if I flip scum or town. If I flip scum, you have a dead scum, but no info regarding the other scum-members. If I flip town, you get nothing. Best case scenario, you kill a scum. Worst case scenario, you kill a vanilla townie. Killing a VT at this stage in the game isn't too bad so if push comes to shove and you're lynching me, go ahead. Town won't lose that much. But the thing is, you lose a lynch to a townie and scum gets another 2 kills. If my death confirms other suspicions I'd lynch myself. But as of now it doesn't. Not to mention I have no scum motivations for anything I've done, which albeit is little.
I don't think you have any other reason to blame me as scum other than "unwillingness to post reads or post cases or be active". Which is all inherent in inactivity. I haven't been playing to my ability and I apologize. Bleh this is just a train of thoughts :/
To the bold: what is this? Town should never lynch for further information, but rather that you're scum.
This whole post doesn't even constitute a defence.
It's not so much the general activity, it's more the broken promises. You posted that LIII finished and you'd be more active, you weren't. You claimed you would look at filters and come up with something substantial, you didn't.
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Day/nightpost isn't for another 37 minutes yet, Eiii.
Pretty annoyed about jdub atm.
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Yep, we're in a good position. You covered it in the post up there - N_T promising to actually do something and then not doing anything at all.
Another notch against him, so feeling pretty confident that he's scum.
##Vote: Nova_Terra
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grush
On May 09 2012 06:01 Kurumi wrote:
I will think about all modkills from this game in the postgame. Leave this alone please.
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On May 09 2012 06:46 Nova_Terra wrote: how is my vote on kenpachi an omgus thats a filter check which saw nothing of use. and connection cases are terrible and please, i at least think my scum play is not so dumb that i would get myself bussed by an ally then start a vote against said ally with no xontent with the purpose of getting him lynched
Don't try to use Kenpachi's mod-kill as an excuse - he was never at any real risk of being lynched, and if he was still present it would have just been a nice little bussing move.
To the bold: instead we're supposed to believe you're so negligent as townie that you promise content after you sleep, but then you decide to try to defer it yet another day?
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On May 09 2012 07:36 PaqMan wrote: marvel I want you to tell me why you don't think layabout isn't scum, or why you think NT is scummier than laya.
still reading into NT.
Yep, got notepad on the go atm, post to follow
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Ok, here goes.
layabout
Alright, for reference I spoiler Paqman's case against layabout below. There are some points I agree with, others a bit less so.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 08 2012 11:56 PaqMan wrote:layabout, and why he's getting my Finger of Suspicion. #1I'll begin with a link to his case against blubby: hereIn that post, layabout makes no mention whatsoever of DYH's case against blubb. Not even a little comment, even though he made it 4 hours after DYH. I think that it's pretty obvious DYH's case on blubb influenced layabout to make his own. So I looked into it more. What struck me as really odd, was the fact that he had no FoS, no read, nothing at all on blubb prior to DYH's case. In fact, layabout's only mention of blubb is when SA asks him what he thinks about blubb, seen here: + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 03:18 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 03:10 SomethingAwesome wrote: I'm beginnging to like you Lay. Now find me scum! =)
What do you think about blubb? I think he is fishy... here: Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 19:50 blubbdavid wrote:I see, Blazinghand is switching cases so it looks like he doesn't sheep l10f. Well, jdup has made a good post regarding layabout's behaviour On May 06 2012 08:46 johnnywup wrote: I think it is condemning, scum over-reacts to things like that (at least i think, ive never actually played scum). Of course laya didn't know kat would be modkilled, which is why it is condemning. If we didn't know kat's flip, it wouldn't be bad for either of them. It's just a townie pushing his reads on another person he thinks is townie, right? Since kat flipped, no. I don't know, the flip makes me think laya is more scummy. It took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled. This is a strange thing to assert when as a townie you do not know who scum are and if they thought that Katina was coming back or not. Also when he votes for me he emphasises that it is to get me to answer his question. Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 20:32 blubbdavid wrote:layabout is scum. The question is: why would scum push BM? layabout was pushing BM so hard it was not even funny. Ok: layabaout, why were you so fucking desperate in pushing BM? till then, ##vote layaboutOn May 06 2012 19:51 Blazinghand wrote:On May 06 2012 19:50 blubbdavid wrote: I see, Blazinghand is switching cases so it looks like he doesn't sheep l10f. you wanna mess + Show Spoiler + He begins by saying that i am scum. If he believes this then surely that should be the reason for his vote. By saying that he wants a response he gives himself a way to back out of pushing me. If he truly believes that i am scum then he would have no reason to do this. In which he makes no opinion and takes no stance whatsoever. #2And here are two little points that need to be noted: + Show Spoiler [P1] +On May 04 2012 07:35 layabout wrote: BH you are just bitter because you blew your own leg off after you tried to rocket jump with the wrong boots on.
I think killing something awesome could be a good move. If we still have no candidates when i get up then i think we should just lynch BM. What he's saying is that he wants to kill SomethingAwesome, but he's too damn lazy to build a case or make a push on him. He's also practically asking everyone to do the scumhunting for him while he sits back and chills. He doesn't make a read, take a stance, or form an opinion on SA. The only time he ever mentions SA is if he is defending himself. + Show Spoiler [P2] +On May 06 2012 00:55 layabout wrote: we should kill Palmar tomorrow Later on, he posts this little baby. Again, just like with SomethingAwesome, he makes the suggestion of wanting to kill Palmar. He made no case on Palmar besides the little comment. When asked why, he posts this: On May 06 2012 09:23 layabout wrote: @Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff". Of course, he had his reasons for it: + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 03:50 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 03:28 Blazinghand wrote:On May 07 2012 03:00 layabout wrote: BH is also criticising me for saying that we should kill the player that he decided to shoot.
False. I am criticizing you for saying we should kill Palmar, and not posting a case against him until 9 hours, after daybreak. Did you actually read my case? On May 07 2012 03:00 layabout wrote: have i missed anything? Yes, my criticism is based on HOW you did what you did, not what you did. Is it really typical layabout play to make a 1-sentence accusation halfway through the night then not follow up with a case until after daybreak? Cause I had some respect for your town play... Yesterday, between the hours of (UK time) 5pm and 1 am i was otherwise engaged. + Show Spoiler +. I posted that "we should kill Palmar" when i heard a knock at the door. Now try think of a way to write that without it sounding lame. And I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt, mainly because there are other reasons to think he is scum. #3Just about more than half of layabout's posts consist only defending himself. His only other notable thing is when he puts attention and calls out jdub: + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 10:00 layabout wrote:@papapanda, The number of players that make sense is far smaller than you appear to think it is. You should treasure the ones that do. Johnnywub:skim through his filter from Area 53 mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=99700These are some of his comments (+1 from host) after the game. + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 09:18 iGrok wrote: Johnny is probably town MVP. Matt is scum MVP.
Also, well done by scum not to give up when St.Daniel got modkilled. On May 05 2012 09:06 johnnywup wrote: it was too late, i was away and it was 5:01. also fml i feel so shitty now. I had decent reads but I can't convey reads for shit. On May 05 2012 09:28 johnnywup wrote: im sorry i failed you town On May 05 2012 09:35 johnnywup wrote: bleh i feel so guilty for this game. if i conveyed my reads a little better or something i dont know but bleh On May 05 2012 09:41 johnnywup wrote: i thought you were scum mattchew and thats primarily because you allowed an ottox lynch with 2 confirmed scum. but no one listened to me so ugh On May 05 2012 09:49 johnnywup wrote: matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh The key things to note are that Johnny: - Posts a lot, this does not necessarily mean that we should expect him to have a massive filter but he does put a lot of time, thought and energy into the game as town.
- He is concerned about communicating his ideas to others and convincing them
- He is working to improve his town game
- He feels like he owes town something
I see no signs of his town game so far. johnnywub is sitting back and watching the thread. When i called him out he instantly de-lurked, said nothing, and left. + Show Spoiler [Today's post's] +On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote: I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much.
Also I don't want any gold stars. i looked at a filter, saw something odd, pointed it out. that's what all town should be doing. Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial On May 07 2012 04:52 johnnywup wrote:lol i love how NT says "it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd" while lurking himself On May 07 2012 04:54 johnnywup wrote: i just noticed that from your post and thought it was interesting. i guess it is rehashing. I'm just agreeing that it's strange and scummy On May 07 2012 05:02 johnnywup wrote: Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o But even then, he makes no stance. He doesn't pressure jdub, doesn't make some sort fos, does nothing except call him out for lurking. I would say that that is his only other contributing post. Read through his filter and it becomes apparent that he puts more effort into defending himself than hunting scum. #4The next thing I want to bring up is how quickly he comes to defend Kenpachi. + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 21:48 layabout wrote: If blubbdavid Nova_Terra and Paqman are the remaining scum then kenpachi has got all of them.
On May 07 2012 21:51 layabout wrote: frogg we are not lynching kenpachi.
don't be silly. On May 07 2012 22:12 layabout wrote:I would love to know how you felt that this: + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi On May 07 2012 13:19 PaqMan wrote:Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch. I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT? I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him. Hence this quote: Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 07:11 Kenpachi wrote:On May 06 2012 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:Yeah, I shot Palmar. He looked like scum to me. I gave him the benefit of the doubt D1 but he didn't contribute and was silent, as scum Palmar tends to be. Here's my crumb: On May 06 2012 03:27 Blazinghand wrote: Man this situation just makes me want to eat my own heart Type "eat heart of" into google search (but don't hit enter) and it'll suggest "eat heart of palm" Palm -> Palmar, my target. rofl are you kidding me His only post since D2 started. He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive). Also this gem: + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote:ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:43 marvellosity wrote: At the moment Nova looks the scummiest for reasons already expanded upon by others. The fact that so little of anything has occurred today makes Nova's stance that he doesn't want to air his tentative reads all the worse.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:53 marvellosity wrote: Sold, I don't have a solid scumread on anyone and BM is just useless and anti-town no matter his alignment.
such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience. He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT. ##Vote KenpachiI'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure. was the best lynch to support? Why dont you have a look through here and tell me what you learn about kenpachi's play? Then address the cases on the people that should get lynched: Blubbdavid or Nova_Terra or might get mislynched: layabout. On May 07 2012 22:26 layabout wrote:EBWOP*So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contradictory/scummy because we have limited information? Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 22:19 froggynoddy wrote:On May 07 2012 22:15 layabout wrote:On May 07 2012 22:07 froggynoddy wrote:EBWOP: was reading through blubb's and then NT's filter's, (NT's attack of him seems odd: did he explain wtf he meant by that?!?) as former being your vote and the latter having the most votes. I'd rather blub defended himself as it will give us more to work with but a lot of what you've said, Laya, seem to be a criticism of blubb's Day 1 vote logic, which as we all know is bound to be weak. Most of our votes were bound to be wrong, and all of our logic to be hugely flawed due to limited evidence. So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contracitory/scummy because we have limited information? No, I'm saying that its less likely of being alignment indicative then actual thread activity at this point. But Kenpachi has been more "active" than froggnoddy, Eiii, l10f, ghost_403 johnnywub, grush, mementoss, sinensis and papaganda. He might not even have PC acess at the momnet That post^ is complete BS that I don't even understand how he could have possibly came to that conclusion. The only person he's been more active than is froggynoddy, and even then Froggy's posts have way more quality than KP's does. On May 07 2012 22:35 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 22:26 froggynoddy wrote:On May 07 2012 22:12 layabout wrote:I would love to know how you felt that this: + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi On May 07 2012 13:19 PaqMan wrote:Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch. I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT? I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him. Hence this quote: Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 07:11 Kenpachi wrote:On May 06 2012 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:Yeah, I shot Palmar. He looked like scum to me. I gave him the benefit of the doubt D1 but he didn't contribute and was silent, as scum Palmar tends to be. Here's my crumb: On May 06 2012 03:27 Blazinghand wrote: Man this situation just makes me want to eat my own heart Type "eat heart of" into google search (but don't hit enter) and it'll suggest "eat heart of palm" Palm -> Palmar, my target. rofl are you kidding me His only post since D2 started. He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive). Also this gem: + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote:ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:43 marvellosity wrote: At the moment Nova looks the scummiest for reasons already expanded upon by others. The fact that so little of anything has occurred today makes Nova's stance that he doesn't want to air his tentative reads all the worse.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:53 marvellosity wrote: Sold, I don't have a solid scumread on anyone and BM is just useless and anti-town no matter his alignment.
such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience. He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT. ##Vote KenpachiI'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure. was the best lynch to support? Why dont you have a look through here and tell me what you learn about kenpachi's play? Then address the cases on the people that should get lynched: Blubbdavid or Nova_Terra or might get mislynched: layabout. Ok, so... are you trying to show me that because he plays like this both as town and scum we should excuse untowny behaviour? I don't like that as an argument as untowny behaviour should always be punished. That being said I understand that perhaps this would be a better job for any vigs we have left. It just seems unlikely unless we do unless we have a pyro. I will keep reading through threads and see if anything convinces me. As I said, other than what I think about lynching into inactives, NT's weird post (see above post) and your hard defence on Katina seem like the strongest indications of scumminess imo. It was more of an "inactivity from a player that's always inactive is meaningless". There is also some merit to the notion that scum will try to lynch Kenpachi.I am not sure what you are trying to say but blue pyro's are trackers not not vigis. Again, you cannot be freaking serious. You pushed for BM's lynch, am I correct? S O HOW ARE YOU DEFENDING KP WHEN KP'S PLAY MATCHES EXACTLY LIKE BM! lurk, lurk, lurk, inactive, spam one-liners, purposely not contribute, purposely play anti-town. KP said that he's so busy he cannot possibly play, but he could have EASILY come up with a small read/fos/case on someone. Instead, he wastes what little time he has to shit up the thread. KP is the most anti-town player in the game right now, and you're defending him hard. Remind me why you wanted BM lynched.
#5 + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 07:04 Bill Murray wrote: well, layabout hopping on the lynch makes me really suspect him he would normally leave me around if he's town of my wagon, i would like you all to lynch layabout On May 08 2012 04:22 blubbdavid wrote: layabout is scum, SA is town I will not move my vote from layabout -snipped- Hmm. The victims of our mislynches both suggest to lynch layabout. And so far we're ignoring them.
Why I believe layabout to be scum boils down to; 1) Has nothing on blubb, but as soon as DYH pushes a case and lynch on him, layabout makes a weak case and pushes it forward as if he had been suspecting him for a while. 2) layabout does not create his own scumreads, does not establish his own opinions, and does not make his own stance. He has other people do the work for him, and then he starts pushing reads. Basically, he's not scum hunting. 3) All of layabout's "good, quality posts" are the only ones where he is defending himself, not doing any actual scumhunting. 4) People previously thought his analysis on Kat was an attempt at soft-defending. But after individually separating his posts, we can all clearly see how hard he is defending Kenpachi. KP's play is awfully similar to BM's. 5) I'm restating this one because I feel it's one of the stronger points against layabout: He does not actively hunt scum. All he does is push other people's reads.
I retract my FoS on him. I'm confident that layabout is scum and I want him lynched tomorrow.
His push of a policy lynch on BM followed by his defence of Kenpachi is, as you rightly point out, totally contradictory. This looks scummy. This is a pretty large part of your case, but given the number of posts layabout dedicates to it, it seems fair enough. It also seems correct that his case on blubb came out of the blue a little, and the post you quote in your point about blubb is surprisingly vague - it's as if he's narrating a story rather than giving an opinion.
I don't hold that much weight with the two dead mislynches thinking layabout was suspicious. It could be damning, it could not - this is more like confirmation evidence to me. The point on the jdub post is neutral - it was a good post, because it was calling jdub out for not playing to his town meta in any way. Where it falls down is that it doesn't actually make a definitive statement about jdub at the end - although the implication is clear.
The strongest evidence against layabout is in summary points 3) and 5) in conjunction. layabout has spent practically the whole game defending himself, with the significant read on blubb being brought about by DoYouHas's case. If the accusations on layabout were so weak, why does he continually feel the need to defend himself? Answer them once (maybe even twice), but if they keep getting regurgitated he should move on and do scumhunting himself, as that is the best townie defence of all. It's well documented that it's a classic mafia mind-set to feel the need to defend yourself constantly, even after having already done so.
I think layabout has a decent chance of flipping scum.
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Nova_Terra
The case against Nova_Terra is in many ways simpler. He actually has 4 pages of filter but precious little to say in any of it. Typical scum trait is lots of posts, little content. His one and only case so far was on Mementoss, and is remarkably incoherent and lacking in actual evidence. There are a lot of 'reasons' why Mementoss is scum, but no evidence to back it up.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 06:00 Nova_Terra wrote: In accordance with popular demand, i will share my top scumread which is currently Mementoss (not based on OMGUS)
mementoss starts off suggesting to policy lynch two people, etc. Makes a few totally unneccessary 1 liners, and then when he is called out on it he goes NO WAIT i has reason, then decided to teach us, which just came off freaking weird. Then he goes aggressive on layabout, throwing suspicion while not doing much of anything, then joins the Grush did something scummy this looks really bad group. not original. then after blazing notes something on me he joins in that too, and makes remarks in an unsure way, seeming to want to be able to backtrack if necessary. then, when called out on it, he goes into defensive aggression mode and suddenly gains massive confidence which hadnt been in his play before. Overall 1liners Enlightens us on 1 liners throws suspicion while not doing much at all joins scummy bandwagon seems unsure agrees with an Oh i noticed the same thing! makes arguments based on my meta, which is questionable entirely based on the fact that i never play this lurky, town or scum randomly gets massively confident, as opposed to his earlier play, its as if someone told him to be more sure
and so ##Vote: Mementoss
Moving swiftly on from Mementoss, this time we get a Kenpachi accusation:
On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi
His case against him being, what? That he's worthless? That's not a case. When I prod him on why he dropped his case on Mementoss, we get this:
On May 07 2012 05:16 Nova_Terra wrote:
I never abandoned my case on mementoss. However i feel that a lynch on him has a lot of resistance and therefore i am expanding my horizons. .
Well, actually he did abandon his case. He was throwing up a badly made case on Mementoss, and then he did not push it in any single way, and wildly stabs at Kenpachi. Yes, this is abandoning the case. While we're around Kenpachi:
On May 09 2012 08:02 PaqMan wrote: The argument that NT "bussed" Kenpachi is so invalid. He made it known that he wanted KP dead more than 4 days ago. If anyone should look suspicious for bussing it should be me. Which I'm really really surprised no one has even mentioned that.
It's so invalid? Need I remind you of LIII, where, I dunno, scum Mattchew repeatedly pushed for a scum BM lynch on days 1 and 2 (and possibly beyond?). He did this safely in the knowledge that BM wasn't going to be lynched at that time.
You find layabout's case on blubb suspicious, but at least it isn't as outrageously wishy-washy as this:
On May 07 2012 05:37 Nova_Terra wrote: I find blubb leaning slightly scum actually, as his filter is a mass of 1 liners which barely say anything of note and defense of himself. I do find it strange that he isnt pushing me if he is scum, because im an obvious target and it would be a super ez town lynch.
On May 07 2012 05:46 Nova_Terra wrote: Marv seems good at posting early 1 liners and then aggressively onto easy and profitable bandwagons. he is one of my top scumreads that i had earlier
and as you see he throws fingers at me for good measure.
The following 2 posts are obvious:
On May 07 2012 23:35 Nova_Terra wrote: Finished my exam, will sleep for a while then try to be useful :D
On May 09 2012 06:32 Nova_Terra wrote: I'll post some analysis after classes tomorrow, but i do want to note how i had an accurate read on kenpachi and left my vote on him. there was no reason at that point in time to bus kenpachi, had i been scum.
Always with the delay. What scum-hunting have we had from Nova_Terra so far? We haven't. A quickly abandoned case on Mementoss, a go at Kenpachi, a go at me, and calling blubb vaguely scummy. In 4 pages of filter. Wow.
Lastly, there is the totally unsatisfactory answer to the contradiction that BH points out:
On May 09 2012 07:10 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 07:05 Blazinghand wrote:On May 09 2012 07:03 Nova_Terra wrote: 1. Layabout goes hard on townie Bill Murray, who then is lynched 2. Layabout goes on Townie Blubbdavid who is then lynched 3. Layabout defends Mafia kenpachi, who dies to kurumis fist of modkillery this shows outcomes that makes layabout seem more scummy Ah, that's interesting, May 9th Nova_Terra! However, I have another player here who disagrees with you. His name is May 7th Nova_Terra! You should argue with him: On May 07 2012 05:29 Nova_Terra wrote: I dont think that layabout is scum, as 1. i really doubt that scum would push for a town lynch so hard and defend a scum mate who wasnt even active, which scum would know When this behavior is continued on and on, it obviously makes someone more scummy
"When this behaviour is continued on and on". What has actually changed between the two dates? Kenpachi gets mod-killed and flips scum, and layabout defended him a couple of times in the interim. This is apparently enough to make Nova go from "I don't think he's scum for these reasons" to "actually for the same reasons I DO think he's scum". Pretty scummy.
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Overall, Nova has done nothing to suggest to me that he isn't scum. He has a long filter with no scumhunting, but plenty of throwaway accusations. He contradicts himself.
layabout has points against him and a decent chance of flipping scum, but I am more convinced with my read on Nova, because I see the possibility that layabout is just a frustrated townie who has been goaded into defending himself too much.
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