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On April 21 2012 23:32 layabout wrote:The Paqman case is forced as all hells. + Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 12:01 PaqMan wrote: But I do agree with you VE. Giving scum any more info puts them in an even greater advantage over us. A mass vig claim would be the same as handing them a hit list. some of gonzaw's points however are pretty valid (no late-game chaos with vig claiming before lynch, etc etc).
Either way, I can't see a vig following either one of y'alls policies. He claims, town lynches him and nothing is gained. He claims, chance of mafia taking him out or keeps him alive, either way there's chaos.
I suggest that our vigilante (if we have one) doesn't claim at all. If he's about to be lynched then he needs to defend himself as a normal townie because claiming vig is going to create a shitstorm for us, which gives scum the upper hand. If he's going to use his kp one someone, he doesn't need to claim before or after the kill. It's going to create too much confusion and WIFOM and finger-pointing and shit.
So I think that vigilantes should not make any claims this game.
I know how much we love the 3rd and 4th person to jump on an opinion and now that he knows people will agree with him, he can be firm in his assertion Because people are giving opinions there will inevitably be people who give opinions that other already have. Paqman was the 2nd to say that vigilantes should not claim + Show Spoiler +(after VE, johnny also seems to support the idea but didn't take this stance Sentinel doesn't count because he didn't read the OP and his opinion cannot have had much grounding). But how is that scummy? You might argue that he was trying to sheep town sentiment but at that point the thread was still quite divided. + Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:49 PaqMan wrote:On April 21 2012 11:34 VisceraEyes wrote:Paq he's talking about if there are more than 3 CLAIMS. If there are more than three CLAIMS then there's guaranteed to be a liar in the bunch, which is what he's saying. Now go be a good lad and vote for gonzaw. I'm not convinced that he made a scum slip. When he said "our" he could have been referring to whoever agreed with his points. I want to see what Gonzaw has to say about your accusation. Interestingly filmsy opinion again, to me this just feels like he has more information than I do Paqman's comment is reasonable. VE's vote is dependent on a particular interpretation of the use of the word "our". Nobody should be convinced by it!Not being convinced is reasonable. Wanting to see how a player reacts to an accusation before judging them is reasonable I am wondering how mattchew ended up "feeling" like this comment in any way indicated that Paqman had more information than him. + Show Spoiler +just stupid question without content when theres already stuff being discussed, isnt paying attention to where threads going I would like anybody that think's asking "So what's the plan?" is scummy to seriously think about how they play this game + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 11:30 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:16 MidnightGladius wrote: If we all agree for all vigs to claim, then this is what happens:
0 vig claims: There are no vigs. Simple enough.
1 vig claim: There is either 1 vig, or a scum faking the claim. We have the vig claim their shot. If the shot hits, and we have a tracker, we can keep tracking the vig claim, meaning that a fakeclaiming scum would never be able to shoot until the tracker died. If the shot doesn't hit, and the jailkeepers know not to jail the vig's target, then we have confirmed scum between the vig and the target. In this case, as long as the mafia team doesn't know the real role distribution, they can't risk fake-claiming. This is good for town.
2-3 vig claims: There are 0-3 vigs, and either no scum faking claims, or some number of them. Each vig claims and shoots a different target during Night 1. Day 2, we sort them into two groups based on whether or not their shots hit. If the shot hit, we set it aside, and we focus on the group whose shots didn't hit. For each such vig, either that player has no KP (therefore GF), or their target was a GF. We lynch both of them. Either they flip GF and townie (case 1) or GF and GF (case 2). In case 1, great, we can do normal analysis on the flipped GF. In case 2, we have to be a bit more careful, but it's still a 1-for-1 trade. If all of the shots hit, then we know that there are no actual GFs fakeclaiming, and any lynched non-vig-claim flipping GF is an actual GF.
4+ vig claims: There are 0-3 vigs, and some number of scum faking claims. We use the same plan as in the above case. However, if all of the shots hit, then in addition to there being no GFs in the group, we know that there are one or more goons among the group, which is awesome.
This is all assuming, of course, that any JKs follow the plan by not jailing any of the vig claims or their targets, but I think that that should be doable.
Additionally, scum have no incentive to shoot vig claims, because a night-killed "Godfather" can only be a vig, making it a lot easier for us to figure out lynched players flipping GF.
Gonzaw's points about preventing chaos during later vig claims/GF lynches is also quite valid. VE, I don't see what you don't like about the plan. There's only 3 blue roles. doesn't even read the posts he's talking about, (RTFT) I would argue that not reading a post but responding to it anyway shows that you are not being careful about what you post. It shows a lack of fear from somebody with nothing to hide. Scum are the ones that pay careful attention to the game mechanics. Put simply, not reading the thread but posting whatever the fuck you want is a town trait.
So what do you think about Mattchew?
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On April 22 2012 01:23 Mementoss wrote:My current thoughts: Mattchew: Here is the whole OMGUS case against him: Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 23:00 PaqMan wrote:BJ wtf did I just read. The only posts that made any sense was the one about the mass roleclaims and the fos on marvellosity, which I agree on. I think he'd be a good candidate for a vigi shot. I'm voting for mattchew. Dude's scummy as hell. Also, On April 21 2012 10:15 Bill Murray wrote: We're not going to be able to outguess the mod based upon the numbers we sent in That's his only post since the game has started. He'd be a good vigi shot as well. ##Vote: Mattchew What is this I don't even. He contributed more than most people, that didn't even post or just posted agreeing statments. Like VE I think this was meant to be pressure towards you on fishy behaviour. Your OMGUS case also makes you seem more scummy as well as someone jumping right to your defense. Overall: Leaning Town
Contributed more than most people, lol wut? I hope you're not serious. And you're wrong, that's not the whole case on him and I wouldn't call it OMGUS either.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 23:41 PaqMan wrote:So finally I'm presenting my case against Mattchew. All posts before this one are just fluff. This is where it gets interesting. Okay, a question regarding laya's plans.. Where's the discussion on it? Do you think he's right, wrong, crazy? You just asked him a question but you don't follow up on it. You don't voice your opinion on the discussion or anything. You chip in a quick question and disappear.. You're actively lurking, making it look like your participating in discussion, but keeping away from attention and avoiding choosing a side and stating an opinion. Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 13:03 Mattchew wrote: Yo anyone else reading paqman's posts... cause you guys should... scummy as fuck Scummy as fuck how? + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 13:10 Mattchew wrote:To elaborate Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 10:49 PaqMan wrote: I like Gonzaw's idea of the vig's claiming. Only problem with that is that Scum will have a list of vig's and won't have to do any sniping.. So now that I think about it, I don't really like that idea at all lol.
Town can't keep assuming things this game. It'll make an ass out of u and me. We don't know how many of what roles there are and continuous speculation isn't going to help at all. This reads to me as "i don't want to take a side, i want to look like i like both sides to the argument" also, lets change subject (but wait, read on) Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:43 PaqMan wrote: Woops, I'm sorry! Scarface is on tv and I'm trying to multitask. It isn't working out obviously, so I'll be back in about three hours. apology post and leave to get away from being wrong. Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:49 PaqMan wrote:On April 21 2012 11:34 VisceraEyes wrote:Paq he's talking about if there are more than 3 CLAIMS. If there are more than three CLAIMS then there's guaranteed to be a liar in the bunch, which is what he's saying. Now go be a good lad and vote for gonzaw. I'm not convinced that he made a scum slip. When he said "our" he could have been referring to whoever agreed with his points. I want to see what Gonzaw has to say about your accusation. Interestingly filmsy opinion again, to me this just feels like he has more information than I do Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 12:01 PaqMan wrote: But I do agree with you VE. Giving scum any more info puts them in an even greater advantage over us. A mass vig claim would be the same as handing them a hit list. some of gonzaw's points however are pretty valid (no late-game chaos with vig claiming before lynch, etc etc).
Either way, I can't see a vig following either one of y'alls policies. He claims, town lynches him and nothing is gained. He claims, chance of mafia taking him out or keeps him alive, either way there's chaos.
I suggest that our vigilante (if we have one) doesn't claim at all. If he's about to be lynched then he needs to defend himself as a normal townie because claiming vig is going to create a shitstorm for us, which gives scum the upper hand. If he's going to use his kp one someone, he doesn't need to claim before or after the kill. It's going to create too much confusion and WIFOM and finger-pointing and shit.
So I think that vigilantes should not make any claims this game.
I know how much we love the 3rd and 4th person to jump on an opinion and now that he knows people will agree with him, he can be firm in his assertion 1 & 2) there's nothing much I can say about that first post other than the fact that I was watching Tony kill his ex boss. I tried multitasking but I couldn't keep up with the thread while watching TV. Don't believe me? Well there's nothing else I can say. It was pretty apparent how little attention I was giving the thread during the first few hours. 3) I don't see how I had a flimsy opinion. I clearly stated that I didn't think Gonzaw made a scumslip, and I wanted to see his explanation for saying "our". 4) I'm not sure what you meant by this? I was making my stance on the subject at hand. Besides the FoS that I quoted above Mattchew hasn't contributed jack to the thread. He's the scummiest so far and unless he starts improving then my vote stays on him.
^THAT is my case. You quoted the wrong post.
Paqman:
I don't think the case that Matthchew put against you was amazing, but it definitly pointed out some inconsistencies and wishy washyness, and made you post something other than, yeah I agree with gonzaw. It also showed your OMGUS reaction.
Overall: Null leaning scum
The only thing his fos pointed out was my obvious lack of attention in the thread, which I already explained if you cared enough to read my posts. All Mattchew has done was throw together a poorly-crafted analysis on me that made no sense. He dropped in, made his fos, and left just as quickly all the while completely avoiding the entire discussion and avoiding giving his own opinion on the subject at hand. He's the scummiest one here right now.
and made you post something other than, yeah I agree with gonzaw.
That's ridiculous. Dude please go back and read my posts before you start pointing fingers. I never agreed with gonzaw. All of my posts have been a) Opposing Gonzaw's plan and b) putting up cases against Mattchew.
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ebwop: I've been gone fishing for the last couple of hours so I'll be busy catching up.
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Mementoss are you trying to get your scum buddy out of the spotlight I'm putting him in?
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On April 22 2012 02:31 Mattchew wrote: I don't think Gonzaw's plan is scummy, however I don't agree with scum being forced into acting the way he thinks they will.
Then what do you agree on? You're doing exactly what you accused me of, the "middle of the road opinion".
On April 22 2012 02:31 Mattchew wrote: Also, I never commented on the vig plans cause I don't care about blues,
That's why you completely refused stating an opinion on the current event or even mentioning it? That's a poor excuse to avoid choosing a side.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 05:59 gonzaw wrote:+ Show Spoiler +About the plan:On April 22 2012 01:28 Mementoss wrote: Despite myself making a plan for vigs im starting to think its going to be impossible to get everyone to agree to one plan, and none of the plans work unless all vigs on on board. Vigs just keep your actions beneficial to the town and think about the consequences. I still really think vigs should play like vets and try to soak up night kills, confirming themselves not real GFs. Sadly I have to agree with this. (I was going to comment about layabout's points and other people, but it will only clogg up the thread, so I'll leave it be). If some people agree with my plan, while others don't, then it's possible the real vigs are the ones opposed to my plan, meaning even if a majority agrees with it (which is not the case) it won't do any good. You know, I'm pretty sure if we ever lynch a GF he WILL claim vigilante beforehand, and will make sure to do it at the last minute (so we can't switch the lynch to someone else, or if we do scum control who gets lynched). Let's see if we can agree on something at least:- If a vig ever shoots, he should claim right before the deadline, claim his target, and post convincing reasoning on why he targeted said player (just like in every game).
- If a vig didn't shoot, and is getting lynched, he should claim in advance so we can leave him (to confirm himself with his night action), and so we can hunt Goons, since it's more likely a GF will fake-claim vig in that situation. After he performs his night action, depending on what happens that night, we decide what to do with that claimed vig.
At least this will buffer the chaos a GF lynch flip would make by making us redirect our focus somewhere else before that happens. To VE:On April 22 2012 00:46 VisceraEyes wrote: gonzaw's response to my vote was terribad. Everyone should be voting for him or explaining why he's town plz.
For anyone who's all like "Hey I don't think scum would stick their neck out with some plan", I say only "OH REALLY FOOL? You don't think scum would be willing to trade a modicum of suspicion on them for the identities of all of our vigs?"
He's pushing a scum agenda in trying to fish for claims, and I for one will NOT ALLOW IT! You keep ignoring my case, and you don't really state why my plan has a scum agenda behind it. Remember the vigs hurt town this game, outing them before they hurt town is the opposite of a "scum agenda" (PRE EDIT: Now that Mementos (I think) pointed it out, I realise that if X vigs claim, scum will know how many trackers/JKs are around, and if scum fake-claim vig then we won't know how many other blues are around yet scum will. I didn't really think of this, and even though it's not that big of a deal in comparison to the other benefits from my plan, it's a significant con)I'm scumhunting as well, I'm not ROL on Purgatory Mafia that just discussed his "bad" plan and never did shit. I'm trying to contribute to the game too. Are you saying I'm scum and I'm faking to scumhunt as well? And again, you IGNORE everything else going on in the thread. You ignore the Paqman dilemma. You ignore the Mattchew one. You ignore the marvellosity one as well You know, kind of how you acted in LI, not caring about the game. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because you are acting quite aggressively, not like your meta from that game, but if you want to convince me you are town you have to care about the game.
To Mattchew:On April 22 2012 02:31 Mattchew wrote: Why is paqman's only behaviour and mine suspicious? Do you find me to actually be more suspicious than paqman?
What do you think about VE then? And what do you think about this plan thing and me "scumslipping" or some shit?
Paqman does flipflop around too much, but other than that I don't find him suspicious. I'd like your thoughts on other matters first Matt, and of course other people's thoughts on Paq and VE. However I dunno why it seems to me you are actively avoiding the VE thing or trying to draw attention somewhere else than on VE. So please don't avoid it. You ignored all that was happening in the thread to make a half-assed FoS on Paqman It reminded me of how Toad played on LI (not caring shit about what happened in the thread and FoSing someone completely different to disrupt town). So yeah, I found that suspicious, even more so than Paqman at that point (I think he's most likely town at this point). + Show Spoiler +I have to agree with you on something though: About Daniel:On April 22 2012 04:02 St.Daniel wrote: It's so fucking hard to keep up with everything when you are at a camp with a crappy internet connection XD I've read everything and I can't conclude anything with a confident, but I do have some ideas based on my observation so far. I'll post again as soon as I put some of pieces together.
And there is no need to be hostile at each this early in game, because thst's EXACTLY what they (scum) want. As long as we keep expressing ideas without trying to bite each other's head off. Remember, keep it simple and clear. <3 TL. I don't really like this post either. Too "neutral" and kind of apologetic, without contributing at all. For instance the bolded part is all fluff and irrelevant (specially since nobody was that "hostile" to each other). I'll wait till you "post again soon and put some pieces together"; hopefully it's very soon To RisenOn April 22 2012 03:04 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 02:54 layabout wrote: Anybody feel like Risen is hustlin' us? I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me. ##vote layabout I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too. Okay, so you don't find "anyone" scummy by now? So, tell me this then: What do you find not scummy about VE? What do you find not scummy about Paqman? What do you find not scummy about Mattchew? What do you find not scummy about marv? If you don't think someone is scummy, while other people in the thread do, then you ought to post your reasoning and thoughts about said player and why you don't think he's scummy, because that player is a major point of discussion in the thread and it's your duty as town (if you are) to contribute to the thread regarding the major points of discussion. Again, not caring about the game, or just saying "Meh, I don't think all the people being discussed are scummy, here I'll vote a completely irrelevant dude and FoS him and put all my attention to him" is exactly what Toad did in LI, and I find that sort of behaviour very suspicious. Also, what do you mean by the bolded bit? And why would you vote the hydra? You think he's scum? Why? @Jitsu: Hey Jitsu-part-of-the-hydra, would you mind posting your thoughts on the game so far? @sloosh: You are also making a whole lotta effort in ignoring everything that's happening in the thread. Care to contribute something else? About Ottoxlul:I didn't find his posting suspicious, at least when this thread was at the "plans" stage. I'd want him to take stances on these past few issues. About Paqman, marv, Matt, Risen, etc. About marv:I don't like his somewhat lack of effort in the beginning of this day, yet I don't find him that suspicious as some people have said. He's got quite a few votes very fast too, which always makes me nervous about the legitimacy of wagons. However, I don't really see him as town, and I could see him being scum, so he wouldn't be a bad lynch candidate. As I said before in the thread I don't like to discuss or direct blues. Why would i partake in a conversation that I don't care at all about? Instead I am actively trying to find scum, not yelling at everyone that disagrees with me and calling them scummy like you, VE, Risen, and Paqman.
You're not helping Town at all by refusing to discuss the main topic and staying silent. If you made more comments on the discussion then I'd have more posts from you to analyze. Instead the only thing I have to look at is the FoS you made which paints you as scum. D1 discussions are good and important, especially if they are about how our blue roles should play. Why you would completely abstain from such discussion makes you iffy.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 05:59 gonzaw wrote:+ Show Spoiler +About the plan:On April 22 2012 01:28 Mementoss wrote: Despite myself making a plan for vigs im starting to think its going to be impossible to get everyone to agree to one plan, and none of the plans work unless all vigs on on board. Vigs just keep your actions beneficial to the town and think about the consequences. I still really think vigs should play like vets and try to soak up night kills, confirming themselves not real GFs. Sadly I have to agree with this. (I was going to comment about layabout's points and other people, but it will only clogg up the thread, so I'll leave it be). If some people agree with my plan, while others don't, then it's possible the real vigs are the ones opposed to my plan, meaning even if a majority agrees with it (which is not the case) it won't do any good. You know, I'm pretty sure if we ever lynch a GF he WILL claim vigilante beforehand, and will make sure to do it at the last minute (so we can't switch the lynch to someone else, or if we do scum control who gets lynched). Let's see if we can agree on something at least:- If a vig ever shoots, he should claim right before the deadline, claim his target, and post convincing reasoning on why he targeted said player (just like in every game).
- If a vig didn't shoot, and is getting lynched, he should claim in advance so we can leave him (to confirm himself with his night action), and so we can hunt Goons, since it's more likely a GF will fake-claim vig in that situation. After he performs his night action, depending on what happens that night, we decide what to do with that claimed vig.
At least this will buffer the chaos a GF lynch flip would make by making us redirect our focus somewhere else before that happens. To VE:On April 22 2012 00:46 VisceraEyes wrote: gonzaw's response to my vote was terribad. Everyone should be voting for him or explaining why he's town plz.
For anyone who's all like "Hey I don't think scum would stick their neck out with some plan", I say only "OH REALLY FOOL? You don't think scum would be willing to trade a modicum of suspicion on them for the identities of all of our vigs?"
He's pushing a scum agenda in trying to fish for claims, and I for one will NOT ALLOW IT! You keep ignoring my case, and you don't really state why my plan has a scum agenda behind it. Remember the vigs hurt town this game, outing them before they hurt town is the opposite of a "scum agenda" (PRE EDIT: Now that Mementos (I think) pointed it out, I realise that if X vigs claim, scum will know how many trackers/JKs are around, and if scum fake-claim vig then we won't know how many other blues are around yet scum will. I didn't really think of this, and even though it's not that big of a deal in comparison to the other benefits from my plan, it's a significant con)I'm scumhunting as well, I'm not ROL on Purgatory Mafia that just discussed his "bad" plan and never did shit. I'm trying to contribute to the game too. Are you saying I'm scum and I'm faking to scumhunt as well? And again, you IGNORE everything else going on in the thread. You ignore the Paqman dilemma. You ignore the Mattchew one. You ignore the marvellosity one as well You know, kind of how you acted in LI, not caring about the game. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because you are acting quite aggressively, not like your meta from that game, but if you want to convince me you are town you have to care about the game.
To Mattchew:On April 22 2012 02:31 Mattchew wrote: Why is paqman's only behaviour and mine suspicious? Do you find me to actually be more suspicious than paqman?
What do you think about VE then? And what do you think about this plan thing and me "scumslipping" or some shit?
Paqman does flipflop around too much, but other than that I don't find him suspicious. I'd like your thoughts on other matters first Matt, and of course other people's thoughts on Paq and VE. However I dunno why it seems to me you are actively avoiding the VE thing or trying to draw attention somewhere else than on VE. So please don't avoid it. You ignored all that was happening in the thread to make a half-assed FoS on Paqman It reminded me of how Toad played on LI (not caring shit about what happened in the thread and FoSing someone completely different to disrupt town). So yeah, I found that suspicious, even more so than Paqman at that point (I think he's most likely town at this point). + Show Spoiler +I have to agree with you on something though: About Daniel:On April 22 2012 04:02 St.Daniel wrote: It's so fucking hard to keep up with everything when you are at a camp with a crappy internet connection XD I've read everything and I can't conclude anything with a confident, but I do have some ideas based on my observation so far. I'll post again as soon as I put some of pieces together.
And there is no need to be hostile at each this early in game, because thst's EXACTLY what they (scum) want. As long as we keep expressing ideas without trying to bite each other's head off. Remember, keep it simple and clear. <3 TL. I don't really like this post either. Too "neutral" and kind of apologetic, without contributing at all. For instance the bolded part is all fluff and irrelevant (specially since nobody was that "hostile" to each other). I'll wait till you "post again soon and put some pieces together"; hopefully it's very soon To RisenOn April 22 2012 03:04 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 02:54 layabout wrote: Anybody feel like Risen is hustlin' us? I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me. ##vote layabout I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too. Okay, so you don't find "anyone" scummy by now? So, tell me this then: What do you find not scummy about VE? What do you find not scummy about Paqman? What do you find not scummy about Mattchew? What do you find not scummy about marv? If you don't think someone is scummy, while other people in the thread do, then you ought to post your reasoning and thoughts about said player and why you don't think he's scummy, because that player is a major point of discussion in the thread and it's your duty as town (if you are) to contribute to the thread regarding the major points of discussion. Again, not caring about the game, or just saying "Meh, I don't think all the people being discussed are scummy, here I'll vote a completely irrelevant dude and FoS him and put all my attention to him" is exactly what Toad did in LI, and I find that sort of behaviour very suspicious. Also, what do you mean by the bolded bit? And why would you vote the hydra? You think he's scum? Why? @Jitsu: Hey Jitsu-part-of-the-hydra, would you mind posting your thoughts on the game so far? @sloosh: You are also making a whole lotta effort in ignoring everything that's happening in the thread. Care to contribute something else? About Ottoxlul:I didn't find his posting suspicious, at least when this thread was at the "plans" stage. I'd want him to take stances on these past few issues. About Paqman, marv, Matt, Risen, etc. About marv:I don't like his somewhat lack of effort in the beginning of this day, yet I don't find him that suspicious as some people have said. He's got quite a few votes very fast too, which always makes me nervous about the legitimacy of wagons. However, I don't really see him as town, and I could see him being scum, so he wouldn't be a bad lynch candidate. I care what is happening in the thread, just not for the actual vig conversation. I am a suspicious of VE because he seems to be convinced by very little that you are scum. I am still suspicious of Paqman because he has seemed to tunnel me because he was pressured. I am suspicous of St Daniel because that first post was fucking terrible. I'm less suspicous of marv but I do like the players pushing him (laya and blazing) as they seem townie to me. I am now going out to dinner a movie with the girlfriend... I might be back on in like 6 - 7 hours if she falls asleep before me.
I'm not tunneling you because I was "pressured". I'm doing it because of the way you've been acting since the game has started. Scummy.
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ghost, what are your thoughts on me and Mattchew? I want to see your input on this.
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On April 22 2012 08:08 Mattchew wrote: Posting from my phone... I said before I wanted to see what ve was up to so that means I'm suspicious of it. Why waste space with an I don't care post that's stupid, spammy and retarded. I haven't ignored anything so don't e stupid we are 24 hours into the game I just haven't posted on everything like yourself...
Paqman your either scum or stupid
You've ignored everything else that's been going on in the thread until I called you out on it. Now you're making remarks about VE and others. If you think I'm scum then by all means throw down a case but please do a better job than the last one.
On April 22 2012 08:09 ghost_403 wrote: @paqman: I have you down as an idiot (sorry). You're not paying close attention to the thread and not thinking through what you say. I'm not ready to say town or scum, and I don't like making cases for or against players when I think there is scum that we should be frying.
Mattchew has nothing of content in his filter, and I don't have anything substantial in my notes on him. It will be interesting to see if that improves as we get further into the game.
Can you elaborate on what I'm not thinking through? I've already explained my first 2 posts the lack of attention.
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On April 22 2012 08:46 ghost_403 wrote: @paq: Why do you care so much what I think about you? I'm not going to try and lynch you today, and I don't think that your alignment says anything about Mattchew.
@marv: I agree with gonzaw. Stop giving us excuses and help us find scum. Pending the results of his usefulness, I think I'm not disinclined to lynching Marv today.
You avoided my question. You already told me what you think of me. I asked you to elaborate on what I'm not "Thinking through" as you claim.
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@johnny why so defensive? chill out bro.
BH or BJ, whatever the hell you are. You whine way too much.
Marv hasn't done anything helpful, but neither has Bill Murray or the other 7 afk's. Ghost has done nothing to contribute as well, go read his filter. useless townie =/= scum.
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On April 22 2012 09:02 BlazingJitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:00 PaqMan wrote: @johnny why so defensive? chill out bro.
BH or BJ, whatever the hell you are. You whine way too much.
Marv hasn't done anything helpful, but neither has Bill Murray or the other 7 afk's. Ghost has done nothing to contribute as well, go read his filter. useless townie =/= scum. I'm gonna have to explain this? Really? Do you really not know the difference between an active player several large posts, saying nothing deliberately-- and someone NOT posting anything? My god.
-Blazinghand
Several? You said so yourself, two decent sized posts. Not "several large posts". Quit getting your panties in a wad.
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The basis of your argument can be applied to Ghost as well - useless, unhelpful, noncontributing, no real content, etc.
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On April 22 2012 09:10 BlazingJitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:06 PaqMan wrote:On April 22 2012 09:02 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 22 2012 09:00 PaqMan wrote: @johnny why so defensive? chill out bro.
BH or BJ, whatever the hell you are. You whine way too much.
Marv hasn't done anything helpful, but neither has Bill Murray or the other 7 afk's. Ghost has done nothing to contribute as well, go read his filter. useless townie =/= scum. I'm gonna have to explain this? Really? Do you really not know the difference between an active player several large posts, saying nothing deliberately-- and someone NOT posting anything? My god.
-Blazinghand Several? You said so yourself, two decent sized posts. Not "several large posts". Quit getting your panties in a wad. Looks like I have to spell it out: Marv has posted several times under the pretenses of contributing. He is not an inactive player. He is lurking in plain sight. He has refused several times to present cases and scumreads. This is scummy. Are you just not very bright or what
-Blazinghand
No, I just hate how you use caps and pictures so much. You're annoying.
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On April 22 2012 09:11 BlazingJitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:10 PaqMan wrote: The basis of your argument can be applied to Ghost as well - useless, unhelpful, noncontributing, no real content, etc. Make a case, then. Call him out. Vote him and make him respond. The case against Marv is against a guy who's post more words than Ghost, more paragraphs, all full to the brim with emptiness. Help a brotha out
-Blazinghand
I was questioning him for a reason, I want him to post more. But I'm stubborn and so far nothing has convinced me that Mattchew isn't scum.
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On April 22 2012 09:11 ghost_403 wrote: @paqman: I really don't understand why I have to waste my time responding to this, but here it goes.
That note stems directly from your "There can't be more than 3 vigs" comment. Apparently, it's because you were paying attention to something else. Okay, that's fine, whatever. Why do you keep bringing this up? Who cares? Stop watching TV while posting, and find scum. As a town, we have better things to do than discuss why you did something dumb.
When people quit using my lack of attention as reasons for suspicion then I'll quit repeating myself. And you're right, we do have better things to discuss. Why haven't you been contributing? You're obviously not too busy, seeing as your able to respond to my questions. So what's with the lack of content?
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On April 22 2012 07:50 ghost_403 wrote:@BJ + Show Spoiler + 4F doesn't deserve to die in any game. That guy was a genius at finding scum, he just didn't know it. VE is probably scum. Accusing gonzaw of a scumslip is just terribad, and someone of his experience should know better. Also, the idea of a JK working against the town is such a fashion is WTF bad. If he was a noob, I would give him a pass, but he's not. He should know better than that. Sentinel obviously rolled scum this game. His filter has nothing of content, and when layabout called him out, it took him 15 minutes to unlurk, at which point he added nothing to the conversation. He's here, but not contributing at all. I think he would make an excellent Day 1 lynch.
VE is probably scum.
Is that all you've come up with? He's probably scum, so what are you gonna do? Oh, nothing at all. lolz
Sentinel obviously rolled scum this game. His filter has nothing of content,
Hmm, sounds familiar...
He's here, but not contributing at all. I think he would make an excellent Day 1 lynch.
Are we talking about Sentinel or you?
Those points aside, you're leaning towards scum with me and you're a very hypocritical person. The things that bother me most about you is that you don't take action against those you think is scum. You don't do anything! I think you're a possible scum and if Mattchew doesn't convince me he's town then you're getting my vote
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On April 22 2012 09:42 Mattchew wrote: From the phone again during 21 jump street (it's actually pretty funny)
There is a large correalation between calling bh annoying and being town... Also, aside from tunneling me (I believe mostly cause I called him out) he hasn't been too scummy since my case on him.
Paq just cause i don't care for gonzaws plan doesn't mean i think he's scum.. I don't know why you insist I connect the two...
Can we please get more opinions on st Daniel kthx
say wut? I said nothing about you caring for Gonzaw's plan. It's your lack of input, content, and talking that bothers the hell out of me. You blatantly refusing to participate doesn't help Town at all. You blatantly refusing to voice your opinion on such matters paints you red.
That part aside, I can't believe you're making me quote myself.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 07:45 PaqMan wrote: I'm not tunneling you because I was "pressured". I'm doing it because of the way you've been acting since the game has started. Scummy.
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EBWOP: I understand that St. Daniel has done jack shit for us but now you're just trying to throw attention away from yourself. I'm pretty sure your scum buddies are going to immediately follow up on that.
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On April 22 2012 11:05 Mattchew wrote: Visceraeyes is still looking scummy too. he needs to start making sense of his nonsense case or I will vote him to be lynched.
Gonzaw you've given a list of like 5 to lynch today, 2 of which I agree with VE and St Daniel, 1 of which I haven't read enough into (sent, I'm still on my phone and he's been posting a lot) and 2 which I dont agree with (myself, duh, and risen, cause of meta). You asked people to look into paqman's case on me which revolves around me not talking about your plan in the thread and then he calls me actively lurking less than like 24 hours into the game. do you actualy believe this crap?
On April 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote: Why would i partake in a conversation that I don't care at all about?
You were actively lurking. You've admitted it yourself and I don't understand why you're going to make me spell it out to you for the fourth time. PAY ATTENTION PLZ. You purposely refused to partake in D1 discussion, an obvious anti-town move. In doing that, you're able to avoid taking a stance on the issue. Anti-town. By avoiding the discussion, you don't have to create an opinion. Anti-town. What have you done that's pro-town? NOTHING. And everything that you've done has anti-town motives. Why nobody has yet to see this is beyond me.
do you actualy believe this crap? The proof's right there buddy ^^^
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 11:51 Mattchew wrote: I was not actively lurking and I never admitted that?
I refused to discuss the vig claims because I DONT CARE, i'll let people read me on other things like my scum reads and my other discussions.
I don't care if vigs claim or not, I care about lynching scum, if thats anti town in your mind, fine.
I "avoided" the discussion to push my scum read and give an opinion on someone - remind me how thats anti-town?
You keep cutting my quotes out of context, like my do believe this crap, was based on me dispelling your obviously bad "case" in the same paragraph OMG you're missing the point. It doesn't matter WHY you wouldn't discuss. It's the fact that you PURPOSELY REFUSE to participate in active discussion. You avoided the ENTIRE topic of discussion just so you could push your FoS that barely had any effort put into it! I realize that you don't care and that's the kind of anti-town attitude I'm calling you out on. This whole time you have done NOTHING pro-town, NOTHING helpful at all. And your actions since game start have been ANTI-TOWN. There's no denying it. I refused to discuss the vig claims because I DONT CARE, i'll let people read me on other things like my scum reads and my other discussions. WTF? What scum reads? What other discussion? What the hell are you talking about? You haven't been discussing JACK-DIDDILY-SQUAT. The ONLY thing you've been trying to do is defend yourself from me with the exact. same. argument.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote: I am a suspicious of VE because he seems to be convinced by very little that you are scum. I am still suspicious of Paqman because he has seemed to tunnel me because he was pressured. I am suspicous of St Daniel because that first post was fucking terrible. I'm less suspicous of marv but I do like the players pushing him (laya and blazing) as they seem townie to me. You call that scumhunting? You have another post just like this where all you do is speculate, BUT WHERE'S THE HUNTING ?
+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote: As I said before in the thread I don't like to discuss or direct blues. Why would i partake in a conversation that I don't care at all about? Instead I am actively trying to find scum, not yelling at everyone that disagrees with me and calling them scummy like you, VE, Risen, and Paqman.
+ Show Spoiler +False. I have not seen you put any effort into finding scum, besides a couple of weak FoS's. On April 22 2012 10:52 Mattchew wrote: do you actually think before you post? You have tried to call me out for not taking a stance, yet in this game I immediately took a stance on something I cared about, finding scum.
+ Show Spoiler +False. I have yet to see you take a real stance on someone being scum. Seriously, go back and read your posts. Tell me a name that you have taken a REAL SCUM STANCE ON! There's LITERALLY nobody that you've formed a real scum opinion on.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 02:31 Mattchew wrote: I am null on VE, I am hoping that whatever he is doing will become more evident as the day goes on, cause right now he just looks like he is tunneling a little.
Layabout just mentioned all the lurkers, I have already said I'm down with a BM lynch (a little less now that Paqman said that too).
How do you go from that^^ to: On April 22 2012 11:05 Mattchew wrote: Visceraeyes is still looking scummy too. he needs to start making sense of his nonsense case or I will vote him to be lynched.
This^^ Your "scumhunting" is so flippidy-floppidy wishy-washy that you CANT TAKE A SINGLE STANCE ON SOMEONE.
TL;DR Mattchew is SCUM who isn't contributing JACK to Town. He's making all these weird-ass excuses such as "scumhunting", when he still has yet to produce a single SOLID opinion on someone. I'm begging you guys to digest this shit and try to prove me wrong. Someone TRY to prove that Mattchew isn't scum because he certainly can't do it himself.
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