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HiroPro
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HiroPro
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There is no reason to post this. It will provide a kill list to scum. I would rather post this at the end of night deadline. Is there a reason that you never posted anything like this at the end of first night? I don't understand the examples that omnomMuffins brings up at all. While they may be interesting stories, they have absolutely nothing to do with the game we are in. This seems like a very scummy action to me because it draws attention away from actual posts and reads. | ||
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On April 04 2012 07:04 KharadBanar wrote: The same applies the other way around: If you die at some point (seems more probable at this point than omnomMuffins dying) and flip scum, then I'll strongly believe omnomMuffins to be town, because scumbuddies probably won't go to such lenghts as to fake a flame war between each other. I don't think this is an assumption that we can make. While it's true that the odds of Kohbee and omnomnom being opposite sides are good, mafia members are fully capable of going after each other verbally in order to fool town. The only assumption of that nature that I am willing to make is that if Kohbee is mafia, strong and solo are not - because they voted directly for Kohbee at a time when it looked like he was going to get lynched and that is definetely not something mafia partners would do day 1 when there is a viable alternative lynch. | ||
HiroPro
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HiroPro
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Solohan formed a very illogical case against you and I don't trust the motivations behind him saying that Therapist was his friend. He looks scummy to me. I am unsure on strong. He is definetely focusing on finding mafia and forming cases, which leads me to believe that he is town. But certain posts, such as the one he made on Foolishness don't make sense to me because he's arguing a mixture of things that we already know to be true (Foolishness is town) and things that are WIFOM and just plain distracting. | ||
HiroPro
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HiroPro
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Since then, marvel has made good reads, posted very clearly, and focused on scum hunting. I think it is unlikely for marvel to be mafia. | ||
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On April 04 2012 08:50 marvellosity wrote: Hiro, could you please outline your case on omnom a little more? I find he has less negative points than Kohbee does. The biggest thing against omnom for me is that he seems to not care about actually looking for scum. The quotes are from omnom's posts arguing against FourFace and Kohbee. Don't really want to play with people with his attitude, it isn't helpful even if he is town. His reaction with the umadbro post was just very silly and immature, not something that someone that is trying to lead should be doing. That helped solidify my thoughts that he is not actually cop, though as stated, no one actually knows if there is a cop. Should people be posting rudely? No. But posting rudely has nothing to do with being mafia. While not looking for mafia is definiteley a characteristic of scum. | ||
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
While I'm not fully sure about Kohbee, he has pushed for reads and focus on finding mafia both day 1 and today, which are townie qualities. ##Unvote ##Vote: Solohan50 | ||
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On April 05 2012 09:07 marvellosity wrote: Well shit. I don't like being wrong Is the case on Solohan so strong that all you guys voted for him and Kohbee is totally convinced he's scum? What am I missing? Why is it him? Look at solohan's filter. There is almost nothing of value in there except one incredibly illogical case against Kohbee (based almost entirely upon Kohbee "arguing" with Therapist and FourFace). On top of that, Kohbee spent the whole day trying to lynch a townie. When that failed, he roleclaimed and bandwagoned a townie right at the end of the day. On top of that, the townie he lynched was one of the most vocal anti-Kohbee players in the thread short of FourFace. This seems like too big of a string of coincidences for me, which is why my vote stayed where it was, and which is why we ended up lynching a fellow townie instead of the real scum. This post is a complete misrepresentation of the first day and it makes no sense who solohan is refering to as "a townie", because it's defininitely not the same person throughout. His other "reads" have all been blindingly obvious or wishy-washy. And now that we know that Kohbee is cop, solohan is pretty much confirmed scum. | ||
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On April 05 2012 23:18 strongandbig wrote: Ugh, just noticed a problem with my argument in my last post. After KB, marvellosity was the second person to jump on the "lunch a lurker" bandwagon against solohan. This could have been a distancing gambit, but it does throw a wrench into the analysis. What we have to decide is, would marvellosity have believed that there was a realistic chance for solohan to get lynched day 1 for lurking? (Assume for now that if solohan is scum, he was in communication with his buddy despite being afk. Maybe with a smartphone. I think that if one scum actually thought the other scum wasn't going to post that day, he probably wouldn't try to start a lurker lynch bandwagon on him.) Depending on how risky of a move it would have seemed, we can maybe figure out the chance that one scum would join that incipient bandwagon on another. Looking at the votes from the first day, marvel withdraws his vote a little later before anyone else votes on solohan. I don't think this clears marvel in any way. | ||
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
##Vote: Solohan50 | ||
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On April 07 2012 00:37 marvellosity wrote: Ok. So it seems fairly clear that Solohan is getting lynched this Day cycle unless something very odd happens. So we should try to make our time as productive as possible. A wise man said to me - a scum's aim is simply to appear as town, whereas a townie's aim is to scumhunt. Which of these takes more effort? Scumhunting. Taking that in mind, I'm left with looking at s&b, Hiro, and omnom. I have fairly strong town reads on s&b (if you are mafia, well played sir). So that leaves Hiro and omnom. I've read both their filters multiple times this afternoon, and I'm ready to take some action. With that in mind, I would like to put forward a case against HiroPro. The gist of this case will be that Hiro has not attempted to scumhunt, NOR taken any firm stances. I posted my full reads during day 2. I specifically identified omnom and solohan as my mafia reads and gave my reasons why. On April 07 2012 00:37 marvellosity wrote: First we have the vote for omnom, based on the fact he's lurking. Even though we know omnom had a reason to be lurking (it was given). I'd also like to point out omnom's filter is in fact twice as long as Hiro's. Reread my full post. It was based on the fact that both of you had voted for FourFace - who appeared strongly town and was very vocal and attempted to lead - traits that make mafia want to get rid of him. On April 07 2012 00:37 marvellosity wrote: Hiro then goes on to vote for Solohan and Therapist. in succession. Fair enough, it's Day 1. Let's see Hiro bust out some firm stances and opinions shall we? 1) is probably just lack of thread reading, but I was unvoted at the time, it wasn't a switch. 2 and 3 are more interesting though. 2) Everyone knows omnom is scummy as hell? Because at the start of the game he posted little with due explanation and he voted for a disruptive Fourface? So far you made a ONE LINE case against omnom "illogical vote on fourface" and that's it. 3) Excellent! Both are possible scum. Let's cast suspicion in various directions without making any sort of case or taking any sort of stance. What do you THINK? My stance was perfectly clear when I voted for solohan over Kohbee. Kohbee did not respond the way that a mafia would when I pressured him or when strong and yourself posted reads on him. And I had already become suspicious of the logic that solohan used to make his case. If you'll reread my posts in their entirety without taking little snippets from here and there you will see my logic. On April 07 2012 00:37 marvellosity wrote: Seems ironic. Looking at omnom's filter, at least he made a firm stance on Kohbee. He also made some sort of case on him (which Hiro has yet to do against anyone). Let's not forget guys, being WRONG on something is not a scumtrait. It's the motivation behind it we have to look at. Mafia have more information than town, remember, so it's easier for them not to be wrong. None of Hiro's posts have had any real substance whatsoever. Hiro has casted doubts upon almost everyone in the game, without ever making a case against someone or scumhunting. Seems like scum. Town? Discuss. As I've said before, omnom is mafia. When you leave aside the posts that promise to post later and talk about unrelated stuff, what you see is a meaningless argument with Kohbee, reads that ignore what is going on in the game and focus only on what omnom feels about the person personally, posts that appear clueless (not knowing the basic rules written out in the first post) in order to make us less suspicious, and a general disregard for what matters for the town (suggesting a lynch target other than solohan). Omnom is the 2nd mafia member. | ||
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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HiroPro
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I need to go through filters. | ||
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Marvel pretty much ignored the response I made to his accusation against me, except to quote a post from day 1 when i voted for solohan, when I was in fact talking about the vote of solohan over Kohbee on day 2. My stance was perfectly clear when I voted for solohan over Kohbee. Kohbee did not respond the way that a mafia would when I pressured him or when strong and yourself posted reads on him. And I had already become suspicious of the logic that solohan used to make his case. If you'll reread my posts in their entirety without taking little snippets from here and there you will see my logic. Hiro: you voted for Solohan because "you didn't want mafia to control the vote". You said Kohbee is completely pro-town simply on the basis that he was talking, but that's not why you voted Solohan at the time. These things are minor and not enough to lynch someone. But I cannot find anything scummy on strong, except for the same decisions and votes that marvel made. Also, if strong was mafia, he would follow suit with marvel's vote and ensure town is lynched; he wouldn't wait to make a vote. And ultimately, both Kohbee and Kharad thought the 2nd mafia was marvellosity. They've been right about everything else. I think they're right about this too. ##Vote: marvellosity | ||
HiroPro
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HiroPro
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Marvel has focused on WIFOM throughout the entire game and has completely disregarded my response to his "case". That's the not the way a townsperson plays. If you can't believe me, then fine. But remember Kohbee and Kharad; they both identified marvel as their strongest mafia read after solohan. Don't let this end in a loss for town. | ||
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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