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On April 05 2012 10:00 wherebugsgo wrote: no, he could've. Look at the most recent action list.
I mean that he could not have known it at the time when he did it, unless he was scum, as his action did not count.
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On April 05 2012 10:04 wherebugsgo wrote: wait so all actions have been reversed by Tobon's revive?
Are we back in the original positions?
We are all in the starting positions of Day 2 now, yes.
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On April 05 2012 10:05 MrZentor wrote: You guys do know that 2 people pushed Cephiro after I did, right?
Yes we do, and it doesn't confirm anyone of them as scum either. (Although I would very much recommend killing cascades.)
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If I am not mistaken, we have 12 pushes and 9 pulls. (Nemesis's push & pull = x 2, and layabout none.)
Layabout, please confirm by using a pull command that you cannot pull either.
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On April 05 2012 10:43 Nemesis wrote: Ok what the shit just happened.
So Tobon's ability reset everyone to their starting position?
Looks like I will have to reevaluate my read on Tobon. Tobon is probably town then, but really you need to post a lot better.
We still need to kill syllogism, what's the plan for now?
Well in all honesty, at least I need a pause to think of what to do. As we're still blacked out, and we start pushing scum, we have no idea when they will 1) Reach the incineration zone, or 2) Reach the item.
I personally really don't want the scum to gain the item, but we're somewhat short on pulls as we don't know anyone's position.
Also, there is 1 booby trapped position which we cannot be sure of. (If bluelightz claim is true, then it is on either position 2 or 24).
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On April 05 2012 10:54 Tobon wrote: I say: Pick 2 scum, 6 pushes each. That doesn't necessarily kill them, but odds are it puts them in the fire and not on the item. All 9 pulls on a third person, which may or may not be enough.
We agree on which scum to push first, make sure we get all 6 done before starting on the second one. We don't want to end up splitting more than that.
Also, from now on, let's not PoP town into fire zones, no matter how good the plan seems. Nullification is very powerful, and we don't know whether it'll run out or not.
This sounds reasonable, but we need to come up with an unified opinion on whom to do these on.
And well, in all honesty, it would be still possible to gain the item by pushing+pulling a townie, like you for example. Because it would be beyond broken if nullify was able to be used twice during the same day.
Anyway, I still need to think about what is the best choice in my opinion.
A 1 shot medic kit - It can not be used on your self. It works for the following night and day cycle. -- Obviously not bad at all A 1 shot gun - Can be used that same day or the following night. -- Could be used to kill a scum for sure (syllo) A magnifying glass = Reveals the alignment of 1 player to you. -- Could be used to reveal a scum / confirm an unsure townie A Teleportation Device - Instantly swap positions with any player on the queue for that day only. -- Could be used to swap a scum in the flames A Refresher Orb that renews all PoPs for everyone and special abilities for the day phase. -- Would let us push/pull multiple scum suspects with a higher chance, however this would also let scum use another nullify (and possibly another hidden pop if they already used theirs?) An Etch-A-Sketch that allows you target a player and draw them, thereby granting yourself a copy of their powers + your own. Mafia players can not copy powers from their allies. -- Could be used to some extent as a DT check, as obviously Nullify and Darkness are mafia only abilities.
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Sorry, fucked up the formatting of the post since I am quite tired (5 AM).
Anyway, I think getting the item should still be considered. It may prove to be very useful, and with the amount of pushes and pulls we have we should be certain to get it and back out.
Although if the majority agrees it's too dangerous, I'll happily use my PoP to push and pull scum for death.
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Off to sleep now, I'll catch up and join in on the action when I'm back.
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On April 05 2012 11:56 Mattchew wrote: Here are my thoughts. Cephiro is 100% town in my eyes. I do disagree with him about syllo and acro. I get scum vibes from prp and cascades for sure though. I hate trying to figure out bluelightz. In all honesty he is a permanent null read because he seems to always be scum's go to townie lynch. Bill Murray is scum IMO. Tobon is probably scum anyone have any clue as to what the conveyor belt thing looks like after todays actions so far?
The bolded statements, what the f---.
On April 05 2012 12:31 cascades wrote: Fuck this shit I lost my post and have to retype this shit.
Lol ceph don't give me shit. I was in a rush and it was a genuine mistake. My pops weren't in correct format.
You gave snarfs a free pass. Cos he buddied with you and I was suspicious of you, for entirely legit reasons? In most other games my pressure on fake softclaim and "i'm town" filler posts would be a gigantic red flag. Don't be hatin.
My original post was targetting mattchew since he all but dissappeared like syllo. He still doesn't look good.
Why would Tobon's ability make him town Nemesis? Because it was town in previous games? Look at mirror toy. You can't imagine reset power being useful to mafia? Critical thinking.
Why would Tobon's use of ability make him town to those that suddenly cleared him? 1) Why can't he be trying to buy town credit? 2) Ceph has some magical power that avoids nullification, which is why he wasn't afraid of mafia using nullification and ruining his plan. Why is there a need for Tobon to use his ability and waste all the pulls on Bluelightz? Critical thinking.
Getting item is bad. Ceph left out the critical part, which refresher orb is instant.Don't need more mafia nullifcations and shit.
What's up with delay on lynching syllo? We need to move on. Dude's disappeared off the face of the earth. You guys too pussy to start pop because I got chewed out for doing so?
##Push: syllo
"My pops weren't in correct format" .... Are you seriously trying to say that just because you forgot to bold your vote it somehow doesn't count or is a mistake vote?
I've given snarfs a free pass? When? I didn't even know I had free passes, nice to know.
I agree, Tobon's ability doesn't make him town. The way he used does. Unless you go as far as claim that he is scum that fake-claimed, as we can't currently verify his claim. Although, I am sure someone would have been smart enough to counter-claim by this. Unless you go as far and try to claim that Tobon is scum fakeclaiming De Ja Vu Toy when there is not one in the whole game. Occam's Razor, go figure which is more likely.
Getting item for town in most cases would have been good. I did not add the word instant into the refresher orb, as anyone playing the game should have read the OP and be aware of that. As you could see, I just copypasted the items and added my comments. In my comments I brought up that the refreshing item would also refresh the scum nullify, so your point is invalid.
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It seems syllo gained the item, which is unfortunate. This is the only reason why I was slightly against at the idea of _pushing_ syllo. At the moment I would kind of just get a bunch of people to push him and see if he gets insta-killed over the ledge, I guess we can only hope that he didn't nail a good item.
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4 pushes should kill him unless he gained the etch-a-sketch thingy or the teleport orb. I would personally like for him to be pushed over the edge, as there is a chance we may be able to get him killed. I'd say we're running a ~70% chance.
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On April 05 2012 14:47 syllogism wrote: Wait cephiro was nullified, essentially confirming himself as scum and you've been pushing me? Amazing.
Glad to see you've given up, took you long enough.
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Yeah, and if you learn to read, you'd see that the nullification is modconfirmed by everyone elses PoP's failing. I can't believe you're still trying? If you claim to be town so hard, why don't you tell us what item you got?
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Okay, everyone should just ignore syllo from now on, he's just trying to cause confusion by a bunch of crap. Concentrate on finding the other scum now that we have 1 as confirmed as he can be w/o flipping.
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On April 05 2012 14:53 syllogism wrote: Uh, using nullification on scum is essentially the best thing you can do when you are in danger of being killed by town
Last comment to you:
Obviously I asked town myself to push me in the dangerzone just to have a scumbuddy to nullify me to gain towncred.
Sir, you have just won the game. I am no match for a genius like you. /sarcasm.
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Okay, caught up on the thread now, going to try and sum my opinions as I read:
Syllo is hilarious, he comes up with the most flipped plan ever, and proceeds to leave the thread, and also doesn't mention anything about his item. If there is anyone that believes he is town, you're insane.
cascades just keeps making himself look worse in my eyes. He blatantly ignores a lot of stuff on purpose, to try and make his words sound more confident to mislead town. He claims I gave Snarfs a free pass because I did not call him out as scum for voting me after I told everyone to stop. However, based on his earlier filter and his interaction, I have a good reason to believe that it was an honest mistake, but everything about cascades, and especially his post-vote-reactions tell me it was intentional. He also goes on about how my opinion about the town going for the item is absolutely horrible, and even claims that scum could very well just use nullification again. In my opinion this game would be more than broken if they could use it more than once a day, that'd be insane, as it causes all PoP's that hit the target to fail, as well as roleblock for the whole day/night cycle. He keeps going on about syllos idea about "Nullification+Reset power are worth it to make a scum confirmed townie". Whether he is town or scum, he's incredibly stupid for even thinking that is a realistic possibility, considering I volunteered myself, and I even said that no-one should save me, because that would confirm syllo as scum. It is not in my power to control the powers of others. His reasoning for all of his PoPs are very poor so far. But he claims they are all legitly for the good of town.
cascades wrote: I am saying he had some magical way to ignore it, because he sure as hell wasn't concerned about it despite us reminding him. This one is beyond hilarious. I would like to know that magical way to ignore it too. Care to enlighten me? If anything, his ending of the post with "GG scum", should be more than obvious and he should be killed.
bluelightz is just horrible. Whatever his alignment is, he isn't being useful to town at all.
Mattchew's backup for his "town-ness", is that he started, or contributed to a plan, and then immediately proceed to lurking.
risk.nuke really needs to contribute more.
layabout... his future thingy doesn't make any sense to me, and he hasn't been particularly helpful so far.. please step up your play if you want us to believe you are town.
If I had a gun, I would shoot cascades, Mattchew, and prplhz in that order. (Syllo should be more than clear to everyone by now and should be able to get killed by PoPs).
I am going to check the PoP count to see if syllo should already be at or over the edge, and depending on the result I'll use my push on syllogism or save it for the moment. I am also going to make sure I can PoP, if I understood the PM right, I should still be able to PoP others myself even if I am nullified.
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Syllo has been moved in a way or another, as he should be at position #25 by my calculations. (Which is 1 over the line).
However, it is possible that he has either copied an ability that enables him to move (Like VE's horsie), or one that makes PoP's less effective on him (Fat Boy Toy from DF1?), or he has gained the teleportation device, or he has been pulled back by the hidden PoP by scum. I would personally like to push syllo just to try and ensure his death.
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On April 06 2012 05:16 Snarfs wrote: You mentioned Bluelightz, but he's not on your list. Just curious where he would fall or why he was excluded.
Because those three + syllo are the reads I am most certain of. If I had a gun now, I would not shoot Blue, but I'd shoot one of those three instead. In the situation that all the above four persons were dead, then I could very likely shoot Blue.
On April 06 2012 05:18 cascades wrote:I don't know. You were the one that proposed the plan, not me. And now burden of proof is upon me? Nice try. So you didn't have way to get out of incineration? You hoping to waste town pulls and powers? You waste pops, propose shit plan and get away with it good job. You claim to sacrifice yourself? Why is there a need for you to be pushed in the first place so that you sacrifice? And your "sacrifice" is pointless drama. Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 07:47 Syllo wrote: I appriciate that, but even in the case my quest fails you shouldn't save me, as me dying will confirm Cephiro as scum in a worst case scenario. What's wrong with the above paragraph? I just switched the names around. Any scum can make same post. If his quest fails we would be leaving him out to rot because he was confident his quest would succeed. And Ceph is acting like this makes him town. Oh wait, town cred is all he was looking for when he was making this post. And you guys fell for it like how Derek Jeter falls for hookers. I said scum can use nullification again if refresher orb is found, which is true. Good job putting words in my mouth. Is that the best argument you can come up with? Sad that you haven't put together ONE coherent argument and people are like, hey, its Ceph, I am going to blindly follow because I am retarded and think syllo being scum = Ceph being "confirmed" town. Keep dodging my arguments scum, I am onto you. It's really sad how the town doesn't hold ppl accountable for their actions. Keep thinking people are town because they attack others like rabid dog.
You are the one claiming that I have a magic power that avoids/disables nullification, I never claimed that. Why do you keep making straight out lies?
Also, pathetic attempt at fishing my role. Keep guessing whether my ability would have saved me or not along with killing scum.
The plan was not about me sacrificing, but in the worst-case scenario, I would have been fine with not being saved, and died to confirm syllo as scum. Why do try and keep twisting what I've said? If I was scum, can you tell me why I would have been ready to die if things went wrong?
I have at no point needed to act town, I am town. I have also at no point gone around screaming "LOOK, I GOT NULLIFIED, I AM CONFIRMED TOWN!!!", you are once again just trying to make false claims about me. Are you pissed off that town is smart enough to understand that it is close to impossible that I am scum?
Your babble about the refresher orb is useless. I have at no point mislead town about it, nor have I put words into your mouth about it, so stop with all the lies already, you're just making yourself look worse for every lie you make.
You're onto scum? Sure, kill yourself (in-game), and then I'll admit that you're right. For now, you're just doing pathetic attempts at trying to make me look scum and divert town attention from finding more scum now that we've pretty much confirmed syllo.
On April 06 2012 05:20 cascades wrote: If you guys don't read my posts just tell me and I will stop bothering. Not once have Ceph nor Tobon addressed my claims or my defence. They just dodge and keep yelling "scum" over and over. That shit isn't going to stop me from pressing them on how that plan failed so bad.
There is no point in reading your posts in all honesty, as all you do is tunnel me with a load of bullshit. Whereas on the other hand I am constantly trying to give others my reads of anyone else I find scummy as well, but all you do is concentrate on trying to convince everyone that I am scum. If you don't even realize it yourself, you're even worse scum than I thought.
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And to the vote-thingy that Acro is keeping up, I would say cascades, but unfortunately it doesn't seem that you see the other clear scum yet, so I'll just have to wait for himself to play even worse until you notice it.
So I'll go with mattchew. (I will pull for bluelightz if that's what the majority wants, but as I said earlier, cascades+prplhz+Mattchew should be dealt with.)
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On April 06 2012 05:47 BALD wrote: Rather amusing I'd say, but it's all a bit overwhelming for me!
Please refrain from posting in an on-going game, if you want to comment as a spectator, ask the moderator of the game for an observer quicktopic.
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On April 06 2012 06:02 layabout wrote: Cephiro this nonsense about cascades need to stop. If you think he is scum then please stop arguing with him.
Consolidate your points and present them in a case.
Nonsense? I just can't understand how others don't see how obvious scum he is, but fine. The thing is, I may very well be dead before I finish a proper case on him if that's what you request, as I am soon about go asleep and I didn't plan on waking up before 7 AM. But if you require a proper separated case, then fine, I'll make one, anything that it takes to get scum killed.
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