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On March 23 2012 02:36 DoYouHas wrote: My vote is doing nothing where it is so I am going to sheep Samuel on Oberyn until I read a more convincing case or I write one myself.
##Unvote: Acrofales ##Vote: Oberyn
I'm gonna do the same to put the pressure on. ##Unvote ##Vote: Oberyn
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Lets just wait for a couple of hours to see what he posts first eh?
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^^ Is that a non troll post by WBG? ;D But yeah, I kinda agree.
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@Alderan I am in this game playing with the assumption that people believe that I am town. I'm not going to waste time to debate over this, as I'd rather spend my time on the thread trying to find real scum, and get them. If I'm not allowed to agree with people over who looks scummy, then you may as well not bother reading my posts as I am not afraid to agree with people when they make good points.
@Acro Matthew is... Weird. He makes some perfectly valid points, but also seems to make some rather moot ones. Although looking at the filter, he makes a LOT of accusations, without having all that much reason. For instance
oh so your his scum teammate?
explain to me why you are not scum.
you have 90 minutes
then MrZentor, bad reading comprehension in hand, makes a terrible post with his lead point of his slippery slope theory being untrue because Mattchew (who is awesome, sexy and lover of all townies) never even voted for Acrofales!
i say we lynch acrofales and everyone that has defended him
I would be all about a Xatalos lynching today. He posts reek of "I want to look like the rest of you"
We should lynch Oberyn He seems to constantly switch targets, and it seems like he wants to stir up confusion. Although he almost seems too obvious in the way he does it, which could just be bad town.
Summary: I would certainly say suspicious, but not 100% mafia yet, but should no better targets appear, would be a reasonable day 1 lynch.
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Not to mention him being incredibly anti Acrofales.
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Well, my vote was to provoke a post like that, which is good enough for me. ##unvote
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Are we to expect a big post from you risen?
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Double ninja'd And I personally don't consider a few medium posts rather than one huge one spam.
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@Risen, I believe the Acro thing has been discussed to death, some people going one way, and some the other, and while I do see the suspicions you have raised so far, I don't quite see the connection between him and Mattchew the way you do. IMO: One of them is mafia, one town, I doubt they are on the same side.
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The point he was making, Mattchew, is that you focus all your attention on one guy WITHOUT posting for him, which in his eye's is fishy. I am now off to bed though, so I'll answer and questions/make a fresh analysis in the morning. Nn.
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Sorry for missing the deadline, been swamped with work. :3
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Bear in mind everyone, arguing with other townie's will always be in the mafia's favor, and although I think Risen has written a lot of filler, I do think his posts have had some decent substance and so I wouldn't put him as mafia yet.
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Ok, finally got some free time on my hands, so I'm gonna read over the thread and post some kind of analysis.
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Risen seems to be the hot topic, so I'll start with him I'm calling him as Mafia My biggest reasons for this is that he consistently switches topics to talk about wbg, even though it is widely agreed that we should just be ignoring him: + Show Spoiler +On March 25 2012 10:08 Risen wrote: Also, wbg isn't going to leave his vote on me all day. Don't sheeple onto it if you're town, feel free to do so if you're mafia. When I flip as an eventuality of being lynched or shot at night everything I'm saying will be confirmed and hopefully town still has enough remaining to win. If you lynch acro tonight there will be 3 mafia left. If you lynch me tonight it will be 12 town to 4 mafia, going through a night with 2 kills will make it 10 town to 4 mafia, you'll lynch acro and make it 10 town to 3 mafia. Not a bad situation for town. This seems like it's a really tough game for mafia to win. Maybe b/c of wbg powers/trolling shenans it's more balanced than I can see. I've been thinking. WBG wants a close endgame. He told us greymist was mafia, but we lynched a townie anyways. He's now pushing hard on me. He knows I'm town, so his motives to me are suspect (obviously). It comes back to the 10-3 town to mafia at the start of night 3 should I be lynched as he wants, which is pretty on track for a WBG victory assuming it drops to 8-3 following night 3.
The only tough part about this is that when it turns out wbg is lying about me, what do we do about his claim that Greymist is mafia. I almost investigated him instead of acro, but figured an acro lynch would be more beneficial as a lot of people already think Greymist is mafia. He just seems to post a lot of filler, without really addressing the arguments against him. Though I do agree, should he flip detective it's safe to say that Acro isn't in a great spot. Also this: Mods when I reach majority can we prematurely end the day? Will speed this game up. is just utter garbage.
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Didn't mean to post then, gotta add more stuff in, so I'll just add it in my next post.
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On March 25 2012 13:46 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 13:41 GreYMisT wrote:On March 25 2012 10:46 Risen wrote: Ok so mafia knows that acro is being lynched either today or tomorrow 100%. What are they going to do now? They can't just discredit me b/c they'll have to vote to lynch me, which will lead to acro lynch day3. They can't ignore me b/c then acro gets lynched today. Maybe they've already given up on acro living past today and just want to act as pro-town as possible since the discussion today will be entirely focused on whether I'm lying or not
If it's decided I'm lying, then I'm lynched and acro is gone tomorrow so all the discussion tomorrow will be useless as well, if it's decided I'm telling the truth acro is lynched today and tomorrow brings fresh discussion. Or the case I'm not bringing up because it's impossible, acro flips town and I'm therefor mafia and discussion today is pointless and discussion tomorrow is pointless as I'm the obvious lynch.
Therefor, I think the best possible outcome for us is lynching acro today. When he flips mafia I'm confirmed town and we're happy as shit and in a really good spot. (Even if he flips town it gives you a free mafia lynch tomorrow, again this won't happen but town is still in a pretty damn decent position)
Sums up any input I'll have today I think. Time for me to go to my movie, I'll be back later folks. You are not confirmed town when/if acro flips scum we do not know that mafia knows that acro is being lynched today or tomorrow 100% Why even ask us to consider the fact that you will flip scum, if you are not? This, in addition to your extremely defensive nature (during night might I add) leads me to believe you are scum. ##Vote: Risen Because when I flip detective you'll know I've checked him. Just saw this, confirms scum imo. I remember reading in the guide that no good detective would ever roleclaim, and I am willing to follow that logic through.
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They are meant to make a good case against someone, and on death, the remaining towners have to look over their posts to find the breadcrumbs they left. They want to stay alive as long as possible, and roleclaiming isn't how they should do it. Taken from the guide: + Show Spoiler +3.) Don't claim.
Never, ever, ever claim Cop unless it's LYLO or shit has really hit the fan. This used to be one of the easiest ways to catch Scum because competent cops would never claim. Even if you are about to be lynched DO NOT CLAIM. The best way to avoid being lynched is to talk your way out of it. If you claim, the town believes you, and you live guess what? It's WIFOM time. The town will start talking about all kinds of useless shit like whether or not the Mafia will kill you and what Medics need to do but...guess what? The Mafia has a role blocker. You've screwed yourself out of a Night, someone, and hopefully not the Medic will die and now the next Day the WIFOM circle starts again. Don't claim even at the point of death. If you die you hopefully breadcrumbed your investigations anyway. Though it is for cop, it presumably works the same way for Alignment Detective.
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One somewhere in the Mafia subforum. Just search cop and it comes up. I'm inclined to agree though, claiming day 2 seems stupid.
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I don't think risen is an idiot to be honest, his initial analysis' seemed sound, also, this vote can also be attributed to the other arguments people have made, I am merely adding another angle to the argument of him being mafia.
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