It's my fault I fell for his night-shot claim, and I feel bad for it. I'm sorry, but once the cat was out of the bag I felt the only way to give town a fighting chance was to force the 10-3 following my lynch (again, I still think it's more logical when you think about it to lynch acro, but apparently I'm wrong)
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It's my fault I fell for his night-shot claim, and I feel bad for it. I'm sorry, but once the cat was out of the bag I felt the only way to give town a fighting chance was to force the 10-3 following my lynch (again, I still think it's more logical when you think about it to lynch acro, but apparently I'm wrong) | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:31 Zealos wrote: Sure, whoever is cop can look into me. Risen, your post reeks of irony talking of a really dumb townie. Considering you still claim you are DT, you must be either terrible at the role, or what I believe, that you are scum. You sure started that OMGUS quick. | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:37 Zealos wrote: Oh dear dear, where to start. One you were the first to OMGUS when you called me as a really bad townie, at which point I responded by saying you are not bad, but instead scum. But instead of reading the content of my post, you tried to deflect the nature of my argument, solidifying your position as scum. You should stop posting. When I flip town DT you're going to be in some hot water if you're a townie... | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:39 wherebugsgo wrote: You've scumslipped every time you've been in an exchange with...well, anyone. That's pretty sad, since half the time it was me pressuring you. For the record, I WAS roleblocked, and my kill of Risen was prevented. No one counterclaimed roleblock; you can actually believe me on this one. That's one of at least a dozen reasons to lynch Risen. I'm really confused by your play. You know I'm going to flip town DT, why are you going so hard on me being scum? | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:41 Zealos wrote: It really feels like you are clutching at straws at this point. Earlier you were saying it was best if we lynch you and acro? Now you're just trying to defend yourself? I'm still hoping when town wakes up they will look at Mattchew's posts and think that oh hey, yeah it's probably better to lynch acro day 2 and the guaranteed scum Risen if he flips town day 3. Instead we're lynching the town DT day 2 and scum acro day 3. I think option 1 is a lot more logical, but apparently I'm missing something. Apparently presenting all options to town (saying what to do if I flip scum) is scummy. I thought it was pro-town. | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:46 Zealos wrote: I don't understand why you keep using the DT argument as your defense when there is literally no way for anyone to verify that, so it is a null point. So far, you have seemed more scum that acro, hence my vote for you. I'm just confused, I didn't think my play wasn't pro-town since my claims were so easy to check. We lynch acro and you get guaranteed scum on day 3. That isn't bad, is it? In a game with only 4 scum dropping them to 3 by the end of day 3 is decent positioning imo, and tbh I really am having a hard time understanding why people are voting for the guy who openly claimed and told everyone what his check was instead of the guy who hasn't claimed anything. In a normal game without the third party threatening to shoot me I wouldn't have panicked. It's my fault we're in the position we are in, and I acknowledge that. | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Mostly in the post I quoted it's the idea that you should never lynch a claimed role first. This is precisely why TL towns get destroyed by fake claims and why I suggested in the postgame of C9++ that the scum team should have fake claimed cop. Anyone can claim anything at anytime. You don't just believe it solely based on them saying they're what they say they are when under pressure. In fact, the simple way that Risen says "lynch acro, and if I'm wrong lynch me" tells you that he's mafia. He doesn't outline the reasons he's a townie. He doesn't give the breadcrumb of his check (he says he breadcrumbed his role...which anyone can do, look at my claim from Mini X) and so he could just be making shit up. Acro has acted far more town-like to the pressure and by all means he looks town. But risen doesn't even consider the fact that acro could be miller or framed until it's pointed out that it looks bad that he isn't considering it. Then he panics and overcompensates by saying "oh you should've claimed miller" which is just hilariously bad. I think your argument ignores the fact that C9++ didn't have an all-knowing third party pressure. | ||
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On March 26 2012 06:01 Zealos wrote: Because day 2 claims don't verify town whatsoever. And lynching you now and then acro tomorrow if you flip DT means we still get the mafia hit. Also, if acro is mafia, then the whole of the mafia team now know you are DT, so you are pretty dead anyways. Sure you still get the mafia hit, but now mafia doesn't have to spend shots night 2 on me since I'm positive the town doc would protect me (means mafia has to double stack their shots on me). On top of this you get to use your day 3 lynch on someone who you think is scummy come day 3. Easy logic. I think you're really scummy and I hope you aren't town since you're pretty much getting lynched day 4/5/6 at this point depending on how much hate lurkers accrue over the course of the next few days (real-life days) | ||
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On March 26 2012 06:13 wherebugsgo wrote: The fact that Risen has to jump to unqualified assumptions about everything in order for his story to make the least bit of sense in his own head should be enough for any reasonable person to determine that he's scum. In fact, his own logic is self contradictory. He claims that I am all-knowing and that I somehow knew he was a DT. At the same time he claims he knows that it would be in my best interest to keep town power and mafia power roughly equal. (I do believe I said it myself, though why would Risen take me seriously?) By that logic, I insist that it means I have a vested interest in finding scum because town is already down by 4 players. Thus, it makes it FAR more likely that Risen is scum, not town (a fact Risen accidentally supported himself). Yet, Risen resorts to the untenable argument that he must be town because I want town/mafia power to be equal. If I knew risen were town I wouldn't be pushing him for lynch at this point, by that logic. I'd much rather kill scum. Not true at all. 8-3 at the start of Day 4 is perfect for you. I still think everything I've said is perfectly logical, there won't be any swaying me from that. I fucked up by responding to your claim of being able to shoot me, but now that we're in this shitty position we might as well make the best of it. Lynch me tonight or tomorrow and acro tonight or tomorrow. I'm done discussing this because town needs to now focus on who to lynch Day 3 (should I not be lynched, and when acro flips red, since a town acro is auto-lynch me day 3) or Day 4 if I'm lynched first, since acro is the auto-lynch Day 3. I'm going to reread through Greymist, Mattchew, Zealos filters soon. Still think a Day 3/4 lynch of Lyter is perfectly acceptable. | ||
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On March 26 2012 06:20 Zealos wrote: There we go, so why no Mattchew check? Was hoping for a rolechecker to look at him. Almost positive isn't the same as positive. | ||
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On March 26 2012 06:29 Zealos wrote: On a game with no rolecheckers? Your defense is getting really weak. Whoops. Had no idea there wasn't a rolechecker, didn't remember all the roles and didn't bother doublechecking. Oh well. I don't really need a defense Zealos. I'm going to be lynched tonight and acro is going to be lynched tomorrow. Move on. | ||
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On March 27 2012 13:12 wherebugsgo wrote: ok so we kill acrofales now. easy peasy lemon squeezy. ARRIVEDERCI TOWN! Godspeed :D | ||
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On April 05 2012 13:03 DoYouHas wrote: I still don't understand how Risen got lynched over Acro when he claimed DT with a scumcheck. Given that Acro would almost certainly not have been framed, he had to be either a miller or scum or Risen is lying. If it is the latter then you just did a 1 for 1 and you are happy. To me lynching Acro was the only logical course of action. What turned Alderan into scum in my eyes was this post: Not only was he ignoring what I saw as the obvious course of action, he was proposing that the next day Greymist should be lynched, ignoring the possibility that Acro would be convicted by Risen happening to tell the truth. I was so sure I was going to be vindicated in that read, oh well... I was under the same impression as you. I now know town doesn't act logically. Whatevs, bad play from me to claim in response to wbg saying he was shooting me. Live and learn. | ||
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