This seems bad to me, though.
On March 22 2012 09:41 MrZentor wrote:
I don't care if I die or not.
I just want to know what you prefer.
I don't care if I die or not.
I just want to know what you prefer.
What's the point to this discussion?
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This seems bad to me, though. On March 22 2012 09:41 MrZentor wrote: Show nested quote + On March 22 2012 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote: On March 22 2012 09:35 MrZentor wrote: On March 22 2012 09:33 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm fine with killing GreYMisT. I'm also fine with killing DoYouHas. Let's kill them all! Would you like to kill me? I dunno, do you want me to kill you? I don't care if I die or not. I just want to know what you prefer. What's the point to this discussion? | ||
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On March 23 2012 06:30 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On March 23 2012 06:23 Risen wrote: Can't read OriginalName b/c there's just not enough to analyze. He has a long post criticizing Alderan, but the rest is just filler saying he can't form an opinion on anyone else b/c there's nothing to go on (which isn't horrible filler since it's true) HENCE WHY I POSTED IT. (also im here again just reading up from where i left off. Although the only thing that really irks me is oberyns super long post of opinions which really reads like. IM TRYING TO CONTRIBUTE BUT NOT REALLY CONTRIBUTING. Another thing to note is Samuels passiveness. hes running around voting people and switching around without even letting them post so it fails as a pressure vote. They post at most adequate reasons for things and a kicker is from a post where i asked them to explain themselves earlier. They did respond but only after i asked them. Why are you holding information back, there is no reason to hold it back and the votes seem to be pushing a scum agenda of just pushing whoever they damn well feel like because they know they are anti town. Alderan not helping himself lately again risens opinion actually is fairly correct although he really needs to stop spamming and consolidate his posts. I need to read mattchew again and will get back later, just doing some chem homework first then will get on it. Please explain what you mean by me holding information back in this post. What am I holding back? I'll stop for now since yeah my posting is pretty much 90% of the last couple pages | ||
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Going to sleep or something soon. Might pop back in later if I'm still awake. I'll be on in the morning, though for sure. ##vote Mattchew | ||
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On March 23 2012 21:11 Mattchew wrote: lol coming from littlefinger i dont suspect it will hold much weight Unfortunately it does not, we don't know his sanity. If someone were to check you tonight and confirm then maybe it would. On March 23 2012 20:00 Acrofales wrote: Risen: wtf did you do to this thread. You posted an entire page of posts with largely useless analysis and ended up sheeping the Mattchew vote. While I agree with your final choice, your reasoning is completely out of wack. In your giant walls of text, you say I am more suspect than Mattchew, yet you vote for him. Why? There seems a lot of too-dumb-to-be-mafia going around and I think it would be way too easy to hide in this crap as mafia. We should stop using that as an excuse for anybody. I know that I have used it, but I don't give a crap at this point, the thread is getting so full of stupid, useless fake analysis stuff that I am almost at the point of saying we should policy lynch Sinensis, Risen, DoYouHas or risk.nuke for posting such inane stuff. I am new here and even I can see that the cases you post are flinterthin. Do you even think before you post, or are you really just trying to fill your filter with something that seems useful, but really isn't. Talking about lynching. We have 13 hours left and I think it's about time to start making a decision and stop casting votes in senseless directions. Luckily my senseless direction 15 minutes into the game seems to be a pretty good guess and we should lynch Mattchew, based on my earlier stated case. Anybody have a better idea? Policy vote the guy who posted huge swaths of analysis on players and is contributing? K. I wasn't 100% on mattchew, and after reading this post it's pretty much confirmed that acrofales is scum in my mind (or he's just a townie who's harming us more than he's worth). If you had bothered reading anything after my initial analysis (which I'm sure you did, and then just decided to not pay attention to because it helps make you look like you're contributing) you would know why I voted for Mattchew. After I posted my analysis on you, I posted this. On March 23 2012 06:02 Risen wrote: EBWOP for acro analysis Show nested quote + On March 23 2012 05:58 Mattchew wrote: On March 23 2012 04:08 Acrofales wrote: Also @Mattchew: Chaoser asked you why you were tunneling on me and what your opinion was of other discussions in the thread, including what you thought of Greymist. Your answer: EBWOP: The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro, what else would you like me to talk about? Retarded policy lynches of liars and lurkers OH BOY! He then asked you why you put "scum slip" in quotes, and not just straight out? What was your reasoning for making it seem a fake scumslip, rather than an actual scumslip. Is gumshoe your scum buddie? Anyway, you have not answered that question. Talking about that, you defended gumshoe earlier as well by implying that either I or he was scum, but not both. Now that you think I'm town, do you think he's scum? As for MrZentor's question, he (indirectly) asked you why you accused Lyter, which you have only just replied with: you basically say it was a fake accusation. At the time it didn't seem fake. Also, you accuse me of being emotional, but this: On March 22 2012 23:54 Mattchew wrote: Acrofales, please point me to the meaningful conversations that I people seemingly want me to take part in, I see almost NOTHING of value that I haven't commented on already. Otherwise you are just stealing others words and have no idea what you are talking about because no one has been able to bring up examples of these conversations, yet I am continually ignoring them? is more emotional than I ever was. All I see here is a giant OMGUS defense. Mattchew is Mafia. I put scum slip in quotes because thats what others were calling it. I don't believe it was a scum slip so I put it in quotes. Talking about that, you defended gumshoe earlier as well by implying that either I or he was scum, but not both. Now that you think I'm town, do you think he's scum? I called lyter scum, a lot of people will call a lot of people scum, sometimes it means something, sometimes its just a half -hearted reaction. I never used OMGUS, I just pointed out the fact that you are repeating the same things and being vague in doing so. and I have yet to get emotionally invested in a mafia game, just annoyed (at like every single one) Hey look, it's the miraculous post that will change acro's mind. Seems to be working in collusion with you, but you don't need him to be working with you in order for you to find a post that will allow you to change your mind. Then I made this post. On March 23 2012 13:45 Risen wrote: Yeah sorry about that, wasn't thinking entirely. The rest of my analysis and anything further will be compiled into spoilers. Having said this, I'm going to place my vote on mattchew and suggest a vig hit on acro for now. This is by no means my final position. Mattchew just screams scum to me right now. Also, a different possible vig hit imo is Lyter, since all he is doing is lurking. Nicolas is out of the game, btw. Pretty clear to me that anyone who was scum wouldn't find the game boring, ergo he's almost confirmed town to me. Going to sleep or something soon. Might pop back in later if I'm still awake. I'll be on in the morning, though for sure. ##vote Mattchew With supporting evidence in the form of... On March 23 2012 07:05 Mattchew wrote: Hey Risen, once again you (like so many others) post vague things about people as if they have meaning. When you say something like "what he has posted is quality in my opinion" why don't you actually point out what is quality and why instead of just calling it quality. btw i doubt that i am focusing on one guy when I never voted him, have made a case on someone else, and actually voted for a third person Which, to me, looks like someone scrambling to discredit me. Then again, someone who is town would be just as freaked out. My vote would still be on him had you not made that horrible, HORRIBLE post. How about instead of saying, oh hey his analysis is weak, you say, oh hey his analysis is weak for X, Y, Z reasons? I'll tell you why, because you're scum just looking to discredit me quickly. Yeah, I shit up the thread with all my posts and should have spoilered them into one post, but you're construing that as mafia play? You're attempting to say that someone who is posting analysis (whether I went about it in the correct manner) is playing scummy? Then what is town to you? Policy lynch someone who is posting analysis that can easily be looked back at day2,3, etc? Or lynch someone who is contributing nothing useful and is just tunneling the shit out of Mattchew (then calling out people who vote for him with "shoddy reasoning" that he never points out)... I was wrong earlier. You don't need to get off Mattchew, you just need to start up the wagon a little bit and then discredit anyone who agrees that Mattchew's play was scummy. I think Mattchew overreacted to your focus on him if he's town and he's going to have to be looked at by someone. You can sit back and say, "oh I don't like your reasoning. You're doing that for the wrong reason." etc, etc, etc and bully people off of him and onto another wagon. So Mattchew, maybe you're town and acro is using you as his "oh I contributed and I'm covering my tracks by calling the other people who vote for him bad" it's an OMGUS waiting to happen (he actually did OMGUS me with his mentioned post). Then again, maybe you're scum and acro's plan for people to get off you isn't going to work out and you're lynched. I don't want to help acro in either of those situations, I want him dead. I think mattchew is a prime target for checking tonight, but not for lynching. As always, feel free to point out why you disagree with this post with a reasoned analysis. You'll note that I haven't called a single person out in this thread when they were suspicious of me if they had their opinion backed up. I probably messed up somewhere in here, and you can point out where I did so, and I can respond with a reasoned post explaining more thoroughly anything you have issue with. That's how town plays, that's how town wins. We post and post and post and explain ourselves until we see someone who's fucked up their web of lies. Acro, your posting doesn't have any substance. That makes this an easy decision for me since I never actually placed my vote on Mattchew. ##vote Acrofales | ||
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Town and vocal We look back on your posting history and see a consistent thought process Scum and vocal Eventually you will slip and there will be inconsistancies Scum and silent Can't get a read on you, seem to be a sheeping town, but maybe you're lurking scum. Town and silent Same as above The pro-town play is to be vocal and to keep discussion flowing. Get to it. | ||
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On March 23 2012 23:20 Mattchew wrote: Risen you did a lot of analysis on players but left out evantrees and Xatalos (among many others not saying this was intentional), I would like your thoughts on them also, there was no discredit in my post to you, just asking for further clarification on vague reasoning (which you haven't done). When you look through my filter do you still see me as tunneling Acro? More recently, no, I do not. I think you took the line offered and got yourself away from crazy. If you go through my filter you'll see that I stopped with my massive analysis chain because it was destroying the thread. When I get back from class today I'll make a spoilered post of my opinions on the filters of everyone remaining. I understand your point about my saying "X is quality". It is not reasonable for me to say, "Hey you have to point out what you think is unreasonable in arguments" and then post that I think something is a solid opinion without stating why. | ||
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On March 24 2012 05:48 SamuelLJackson wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 05:44 Risen wrote: I'm in a state of shock that with acro's horrible play he isn't the number one target right now... Please, be so kind to point out to me what in acro's play that makes him scum. Oh my post on him earlier wasn't enough? Or is this the other half of SLJ and therefor can't be bothered to go into my filter... | ||
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On March 24 2012 06:25 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 06:11 SamuelLJackson wrote: ON stop nitpicking on syllo, you realize he is talking about only him and not SLJ as a whole. Honestly what do you think produces more information day1, me pushing a hard lynch I'm not very confident on and most town sheeping me blindly or if I stay cool and let the thread behave organically. I'm not here to behave as people think a townie should behave, I'm trying to get the most info out of this day. I find it hard to believe you really think we are the best lynch for day1 (LOL). Sit down and watch us get shot night 1 or come back day2 and murder all scum. There is no issues with pushing a hard lynch as often that push can cause scum to slip up harder. If they seem more townie as time goes on then fine switch off. Im just tierd of people playing passive on Day 1 because of what they deem as weak reads. Throw ideas out thats the point sure asking questions is fine but what and WHY do you think something Going to move over to Eventrees for now, Im likeing sandro if not syllo but really Im probably just wasting my vote atm. ##Vote Eventrees @Sandro Im probably picking on you more then most because you have 2 people working on an account with people who dont want to play the game. If anything im venting frustration on people who are being overall unhelpful and while i do believe that if you want to hide info between yourselves if you are town theres no harm in throwing out those ideas to us as well to throw our opinions on. @Generally everyone else What is everyone thinking about Sinesis i dont think its wise to truely ignore anyone and he seems to be just sitting there and not barging into the forefront. I'm fine with Sinesis right now. Just above you he makes a pretty bold post challenging the two man team, not sure how else he could barge into the forefront. On March 24 2012 06:05 Sinensis wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 05:48 SamuelLJackson wrote: On March 24 2012 05:44 Risen wrote: I'm in a state of shock that with acro's horrible play he isn't the number one target right now... Please, be so kind to point out to me what in acro's play that makes him scum. Well he is posting lists that aren't true, questions that are answered in the rules of the game, he's insulting people in the thread because they don't agree with him, and spamming other irrelevant stuff in the last few hours of the first day... All those things are at least more scummy to me than what others are doing right now. Seems to be par for the course for him this game though. I'm leaning more and more towards a mafia SLJ. He's casting doubt on perfectly reasonable assumptions. | ||
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On March 24 2012 06:41 GreYMisT wrote: These few hour vote changes are dumb. Can someone explain to me why we all decided not to vote obryn today? was it really all just because of one post on every player in the game? It's more likely that no one wants to agree with you, because as far as I see, lots of people think you're scum. | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:02 GreYMisT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 06:49 SamuelLJackson wrote: Layabout are you around? Lynch in a bit over 2 hours; do you not care at all who gets lynched? You are at least theoretically in danger of being lynched, though obviously with the current vote spread it's pretty much impossible to lynch scum. Greymist: he has posted more since then. Have they not made you re-evaluate your opinion at all? /syllogism Do you think sheer post count is enough to absolve people? And risen, thats an interesting opinion, do you think im scum? Note what I said earlier about people who don't post enough. Lurking is never pro-town. Never, ever, ever. No, I do not think you're scum, I think people found an easy lynch and tried to run with it when you jokingly suggested lynching wbg. No townie would ever take that suggestion seriously, only mafia looking for an easy target would. | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:09 wherebugsgo wrote: Hey guys, look: all the scum are switching to evantrees now! Lololololol Then fuck evantrees. If he gets lynched he set himself up for this bullshit by not posting, and we're better off with him gone now so we don't have to put up with his shit later. I'd rather waste a lynch now on a useless townie so we don't have to have doubts about him later. At least if he flips town we can focus vig hits on other people who aren't lurking like a mofo | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:12 Acrofales wrote: Given that my favourite scum target isn't getting killed anyway I'll start the bandwagon on a modkilled guy! ##unvote ##vote Nicolas I approve this wholeheartedly. Changing my vote since no one will vote for you (reasons for which are beyond me, I still think you're the most viable lynch target, but I'm not the only one with an opinion). Still think you need to be shot by a vig Acro. Hopefully enough people can get off other equally useless votes and just lynch the modkilled guy. We're going to lose Nicolas at lynch time anyways people, in this manner we get a lot more time to see people posting. This is tough... I think evantrees deserves his death for playing so shitty, but I don't think mafia would sit by while one of their own was being lynched either. Where the fuck is Lyter? Why the focus on evantrees and not lyter who is also lurking just as much? This gives me pause, makes me think evantrees is town and lyter is scum. | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:15 GreYMisT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 07:10 Acrofales wrote: Lol. Are we seriously putting our lynch in the hands of either mafia or littlefinger?! This is really retarded. However, I have no idea where to put my vote. My earlier reads were Mattchew, Gumshoe and Zealos. Nobody else seems to want to vote for them, although for the life of me I don't know why not. I guess I could add Evantrees to my lynch targets, if we're going to policy lynch a hardcore lurker. Another option is to lynch Nicolas. Chaoser said he'll probably be modkilled anyway? Anything seems better than leaving it so that a mobster switches before the end with some bullshit excuse and we mislynch a townie due to derp. Or WBG jumps and we can't even retaliate by vig shotting him. You "Guess you could add Evantrees to your lynch targets?" What the crap? This entire post is just asking other people to make decisions for you. That's all he does. His play is so fucking scummy. How the fuck am I the only one on him, why did people switch off this guy? If he's not lynched he needs to be shot n1. | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:18 layabout wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 07:05 Alderan wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2012 03:40 DoYouHas wrote: Show nested quote + On March 23 2012 19:13 Acrofales wrote: I am not getting a scum read on Alderan. I have read DoYouHas' case and it seems to be entirely built from meta. Now I am inclined to disregard meta-arguments except for those people who know each other really well: one prior game does not make a very good analysis. Particularly it seems as if DoYouHas' argument hinges on Alderan playing the same in both games, which according to him is suspicious. WTF. Other than that I have gone through Alderan's filter, and while he does not seem to be contributing much, his few content posts seem town-oriented. My case against Alderan does not hinge upon his meta (which btw, I have played 2 games with him. 1 scum, 1 town). That is what tipped me towards him being scum. I know there is a stigma against using meta against anyone that isn't a complete vet, but I think when a person says they screwed the town with their inactivity and apologize for it in their last game, it SHOULD be a red flag when that person posts little and avoids making cases or taking stands. But let's move past meta, because my case really hinges upon the fact that Alderan has been spreading around suspicion while avoiding the spotlight of actually making a case. We are about 6 hours out from the deadline. Alderan has been suspicious of Lyter, Acro, Matt, Grey, Zealos, Layabout, and now SLJ. But he has not really pressured any of these people (with the possible exception of Layabout, but I happen to disagree with him that Layabout's posts have been scummy). Instead, he posts a short reason why they are suspicious, immediately drops it, and moves on to someone else. I find that behavior to be very anti-town. Alderan is good enough to realize (yes, he is) that if you want reactions you need to actually push someone. He has given no reason for anyone whom he suspects to take him seriously, because he isn't really trying to convince the rest of us. He just wants to look like he is scumhunting, without actually doing it. Even now his vote is on Layabout because he had "been lurking, and when you do actually post it's just one liners or one liners with a lot quoted. You have provided nothing to the town". I find that strange because when I look at Layabout's filter I see him making it clear who he thinks is scummy and why, defending those thoughts, and pointing out voting that seems inconsistent. It is true that his filter is pretty sparse, but I definitely don't find it to be absent any substance and/or scummy. If Alderan was really going to choose a lurker why not Evan? Evan has an even shorter filter than Layabout's and has a poorly explained vote on Mattchew to top it off. Then there is Alderan's bungling of Greymist and gumshoe. There was no reason for him to wait on his Greymist case or act like he was still null towards gumshoe. And even after gumshoe came back without disproving Alderan's case, Alderan decides to vote Layabout instead of Greymist. Alderan keeps going through the song and dance of scum hunting, but he never actually gets around to doing it. Can we please start this game off on the right foot and lynch Alderan? About the Greymist/gumshoe thing. Yes it does make sense to wait on gumshoe to post. Why would I create a post saying why I think gumshoe is town BEFORE he actually defends himself. I was basing my analysis off of 2 posts, so I was not totally sure if I was indeed correct. Had I posted prior to his defense, I would have given him ammunition if he was in fact scum. That's not something I'm ever going to do. I try to let everyone defend themselves first. It just makes sense. I do agree with you about Evan, I just had not taken a look at his filter at the time and had not realized the extent of his lurkiness. As for Layabout, he's doing the same thing you accuse me of (being suspicious of a lot of people) but you make no note of it. Look back at his filter. Here are his suspicions: - Suspicious of Xatalos - Suspicious of Evantrees - Suspicious of Oberyn - Suspicious of Nicholas - Suspicious of Gumshoe - Suspicious of me - No longer suspicious of Oberyn. How can you ignore this (which literally makes up every single one of his posts) and focus on me. I'm at least generating discussion. Layabout has done NOTHING but lurk and cast suspicion. He votes for me, because he doesn't think that I think that he is scum and he thinks I am sheeping with SLJ. Compare the case against me and the case against Layabout. Use your head. Bitch i haven't even read xat or evan's or nicholas's posts. Upon reflection i think i will, gimme a sec Why the hell are you needing to read Nicolas' posts? The guy is being modkilled. On March 24 2012 07:19 Oberyn wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 07:18 wherebugsgo wrote: On March 24 2012 07:13 GreYMisT wrote: Are we serious? The town has collectively switched lynch targets 3 times in the past 24 hours. Make up your own minds for God's sake. This is one of the most frustrating day 1's I have seen in quite some time. rofl you liar, you love it. cause you're scum. He's that scum you need to kill to fulfill your win condition. He told me so. You should vote with me! Don't shit up the thread responding to the guy you should be ignoring entirely. | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:21 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 07:15 GreYMisT wrote: On March 24 2012 07:10 Acrofales wrote: Lol. Are we seriously putting our lynch in the hands of either mafia or littlefinger?! This is really retarded. However, I have no idea where to put my vote. My earlier reads were Mattchew, Gumshoe and Zealos. Nobody else seems to want to vote for them, although for the life of me I don't know why not. I guess I could add Evantrees to my lynch targets, if we're going to policy lynch a hardcore lurker. Another option is to lynch Nicolas. Chaoser said he'll probably be modkilled anyway? Anything seems better than leaving it so that a mobster switches before the end with some bullshit excuse and we mislynch a townie due to derp. Or WBG jumps and we can't even retaliate by vig shotting him. You "Guess you could add Evantrees to your lynch targets?" What the crap? This entire post is just asking other people to make decisions for you. Don't read shit into it that's not there. I don't want to policy-lynch, I want to lynch Mattchew, but that is clearly not going to happen. Rather than wasting my vote there and having whoever the fuck wants switch at the last second to mislynch a useful townie, I'd rather policy-lynch a lurker or someone who's going to get modkilled. I chose the modkilled. Now stop confusing shit more than it is already and consolidate your own vote somewhere useful, or make a better case against Oberyn, because so far it has been: he's useless. He is a lot LESS useless than Evantrees or Nicolas, so if that's your criteria, your vote's in the wrong place. How the fuck is your vote on Mattchew going to be wasted? He's tied for the lead! He made it to 3 BEFORE evantrees. This goes back to what I was saying earlier, Acro is sitting here shitting up the thread with useless posts tunneling Mattchew. I'm almost positive Acro is scum, and Mattchew needs to be checked tonight. VOTE ACROFALES | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:26 layabout wrote: i am switching ##vote GreYMisT What the fuckkkkkkkkkkkkk, you're basing this off the words of an inconsistent wbg? zzzzzzzzzz | ||
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