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Mattchew
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for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town" 2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner. If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch. if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him. if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first | ||
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On March 26 2012 04:41 chaoser wrote: Once again, this doesn't take into account the OP. Are you not reading or are you purposefully being ignorant? If acro flips scum or miller, we DON'T KNOW if risen is town or not. So we would not be saving a townie or a lynch. We would still be in WIFOM. Where you are wrong is there being a scum DT because being scum is being an alignment detective (therefore its redundant )and there are no ways of finding out roles. Risen was in no risk of being actually lynched (which is why its retarded that he DT claimed) being that only greymist and wbg were pressuring him. I believe there is next to no (logical) chance that scum would take a gambit this large with both being scum (especially with acro being a 1st time player). we should be lynching acro before risen out of the 2. | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote: If you're town you should probably shut up, because my god all of your posts are utterly horrible. Hell, they're worse than mine, because some of the things you say have convinced me you must be trolling; I think no one could ever be THAT stupid. But then I'm still confused because you still seem to believe the garbage you're spouting. At least you know for sure when you read some of my posts that I'm actually trolling. hmmm i have agreed with where you have called people stupid before and had an idea of why. I don't know why you think I am an idiot now. Care to explain? | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:45 wherebugsgo wrote: Literally I haven't found one thing you've said in the last three pages that makes sense for a townie. Welcome to TL Mafia. | ||
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On March 26 2012 20:55 Zealos wrote: wut?Also as one final nail in the coffin Risen, if you were dt and sure that acro was scum, why bother checking him at all? | ||
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On March 27 2012 01:31 Zealos wrote: It's pretty simple. If you are sure someone is mafia, then checking them isn't useful. I'll put it this way. I am sure that Xatalos is scum, and if I was a DT I would check him to confirm. Nothing is 100% in this game and there is never too much information. Confirming your beliefs is the most important thing you can do On March 27 2012 02:08 Zealos wrote: I don't know if I've missed something, but I'm not sure why acro is under doubt? Risen could be DT and acro could have checked out as scum? | ||
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On March 27 2012 02:19 Xatalos wrote: If I had been the first voter, I would have probably voted for gumshoe... But then I saw that Risen had already gathered 5(?) votes with his anti-town behaviour, and since there was no chance to lynch gumshoe anymore (everyone seems to have written him off as a dumb townie or something) I thought that this was an okay lynch too - at least better than the previous lynch of layabout Risen has been creating chaos in the thread and prevented a lot of potentially useful discussion, so I find it a bit hard to believe he would actually be a Detective... But considering his overall lackluster reasoning, he might just be a REALLY bad Detective. Still, this isn't a bad lynch, although not initially my favorite lynch either (I still can't let gumshoe off my suspicions, at least until he has posted more and better). I'll have to go through every player's filter to make a rank order of their suspiciousness to make my life easier... OriginalName... Not really sure what to make of him. He's been lurking hardcore, but he hasn't made any Mafia reads for me so far (unlike gumshoe, who has been equally lurking). I mentioned evantrees's lurking because he was a runner-up in yesterday's lynch and as such SHOULD be focusing on contributing and clearing his name, but it seemed more like he wanted to hide and be forgotten... I'll have to check both OriginalName's and evantrees's filters carefully to see if there is something indicative of Mafia play (their filters are among the shortest ones though, so there isn't much to work with yet). Are you going to vote for Risen yourself? Or for someone like GreYMisT? There's not much point in throwing a single vote at someone right now though, since they won't feel even a slight bit of pressure from that. Risen has made us waste a day on himself and most likely can't avoid being lynched at this point. If he is Mafia, my suspicions for Acrofales will drop quite a bit (I can't imagine Mafia risking two members only to waste a day of discussion). If he actually is a Detective, well... It doesn't yet reveal us Acrofales's alignment, but I'd be more cautious about him (a Vigilante hit on him wouldn't be a bad option). If you aren't scum I will be shocked. and the town lost our vig, not that you would care about that. | ||
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On March 27 2012 01:36 Acrofales wrote: GUMSHOE: WHERE ARE YOU? I THINK YOU'RE SCUM. What do you think about that? Remember when i did this to you and you called me scum? atleast mine was early day 1 | ||
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On March 27 2012 02:30 Zealos wrote: Then by definition you can't be sure. As for acro, if the only argument for him being mafia is Risen being DT then I have no reason to think he's mafia unless Risen flips DT tonight. 90% of the argument against risen is that he isn't playing right. This is a terrible argument for alignment as well. My hope is that it is a retarded 1/1 situation | ||
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On March 27 2012 02:35 Zealos wrote: My argument against risen is not that he isn't playing well, but that he is lying. Lying is either mafia, or a town that is detrimental to the town atmosphere. Either way - Lynch. lying about? | ||
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On March 27 2012 02:37 Zealos wrote: Being DT. lol and how do you know that he is lying? (do you see where i am going with this) | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:05 Alderan wrote: @Mattchew- You seem to think that Risen my actually be DT. Is that accurate, and if so who would you rather vote for? Currently your vote is still on Risen... If risen is detective, he is either dead or roleblocked tonight anyway. My hope is that we can actually get a 1 for 1 out of this situation, and the only way to do this is flip both risen and acro. Right now im voting Risen because I don't want any scum picked candidate being lynched. | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:06 Zealos wrote: Oh, and the only argument against me is that I am voting and making a case against him. If anyone can show me anything he's done right, he might have some kind of defense. On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote: for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town" 2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner. | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:04 Zealos wrote: Aha, this is where it gets good, and if you'd had read the thread properly, you'd see I had pretty sound reasoning for this: Why on earth if he said this, and he was DT, didn't he check Mattchew last night? It makes no sense whatsoever, instead he claims he checked Acro, and backed up his argument by saying he thought a rolechecker should check Mattchew (derp) Once again, if you are DT and you think someone is scum you check them. You always confirm them. He could have checked me the next night. -You're argument "He did the wrong thing" Most of this argument is explained in easy to understand terms by WBG: The rolechecker thing is the only thing I don't understand. The desperation of explaining himself is a little scummy. Also, for giggles On March 22 2012 03:29 Zealos wrote: On the topic of Wherebugsgo, I'd love to completely ignore him if possible, though I doubt that will end up happening.... On top of which, he completely avoids answering my direct question: Not to mention calling me and others scum with very very little to no evidence to back up his claims: The only argument he's made against anyone is the whole "I'm DT, lynch Acro" Doesn't this smack you as mindbogglingly stupid? Risen is the lynch we should make today, with absolutely no exceptions, he is super scummy. This all reads "I'm mad." | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:23 Zealos wrote: That post was... incredibly irrelevant? I'm saying as anything, whether or not he is DT, what has he done pro-town? lynching a townie is always bad. whether or not he is "pro-town" | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:30 Acrofales wrote: Yeah, I overreacted. Overall that seems to be the only part of day 1 where any useful information was gathered at all, with people like MrZentor, Zealos and SLJ chipping in to have their say. Another difference is that Gumshoe is currently my second-most-favourite lynch after Risen. It'd be great to get more information for the day 3 lynch. Just to be clear, you're still not off the hook and I find your reasoning today exceedingly suspicious. I just think there are better targets to focus on for the moment. Even so, it can't really hurt to show how your reasoning is just really suspicious. At the very least it'll further the discussion and allow me to decide whether you're actually scum or not. Your reasoning is pretty much explained here: You seem to have the four cases pretty clear. However you seem to be throwing away ALL other evidence. I haven't seen anybody make a case against me lately. The only evidence being taken into account seems to be Risen's DT check. Apparently, for you, a DT claim is automatically enough reason to disregard all other posts by said person, OR the one he claims on, and say that he should not be lynched because he DT claimed. Wow, if I ever play a mobster I will keep that in mind! Now lets look at the rest of the evidence: Risen Risen has been playing exceedingly erratically. I initially had a town read on him (as you can see if you go through my posts), although I found his analysis exceedingly weak (once again, in my posts). He then suddenly panicked at WBG's supposed kill power + Show Spoiler [pointless WBG speculation] + Littlefinger does not like to get his own hands dirty and a kill power does not fit the lore at all. Given his insistance that I was scum from almost the start of the game, this caused me to post the pages of refutals of his analysis, as I thought he had been crumbing vigilante, not DT. At this point I still believed him, although I was both angry enough and thought he was playing terribly enough that I should vote for him on basic principle (also in my night posts). The next morning he roleclaimed DT in an exceedingly vague and dumb manner. He claimed DT without stating his actual role name, he never crumbed DT OR his rolename beforehand and he completely ignored any possibility of me being framed or a miller and continued throughout the morning to ignore any such possibilities. In addition to his ballsup of a DT claim, his only somewhat useful contribution to this game has been to spam a full page of really bad analysis. Acro I am awesome and a contributing townie. Someone should make a proper case against me if they have one that is not based on all this WIFOM around Risen's DT check. Now, given the evidence, we have to consider PROBABILITIES of each of the four cases and then things change drastically. We can lynch me, confirmed townie, based on a somewhat decent plot by a scumster (or, I'll grant him the inkling of doubt I don't really have: an incredibly shitty DT). Or we can lynch a mobster (with a tiny tiny chance that he is actually an incredibly shitty DT). And that is why I think your reasoning is suspect. If there was no prior knowledge then you would be right, but you are reasoning as if the DT check is the only information you have. To be completely honest, I have no clue what way you lean at the moment. Day 1 I could've sworn you were scum. Night 1 you seemed to be playing townie and Day 2 you're back to looking scummy. I can't read you at the moment, but given that I have two reads I am far more confident in I don't mind too much. If both Risen and Gumshoe flip red, then I am quite sure you are too. "However you seem to be throwing away ALL other evidence." I am. If asked before all this shit, I would have said that I have a town read on both of you. After this shit, I still see no case against either of you that holds any weight, however it does appear to me as if 1 of you is scum and 1 of you is town. That is why my logic has no outside factors involved with the decision making process. | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:30 Alderan wrote: Ok that makes sense, I must have missed where that was being discussed. The only wrench in that plan is if he flips vanilla townie, but I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Where the fuck have gumshoe and lyter been? Ald with this post I would lynch you off meta in a heartbeat. You are blending in being agreeable but looking like you are helping to create content just like the last time we played together. I think that you are a better scum hunter then what you have shown thus far. Who are your scum reads (outside the risen/acro debacle) and why? | ||
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