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Dirk Hardpec
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Dirk Hardpec
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What I find more interesting is the fact that he claims to be third party. No matter how you look at it, the only faction I can possibly think of benefitting from being thought of as third party is mafia. It is strictly inefficient for town to be thought of as third party as that will lead to an eventual lynch of that person, you cannot go into situation where one lynch will lose the game carrying a claimed third party on your back. This is however perfectly acceptable for someone who just wants to extend his life cycle for a while, ie: mafia. I guess it is also possible that he is indeed a third party and is trying to make an alliance with us, but it seems very unlikely as most third parties tend to be at severe disadvantage when they get figured out. In sense, it makes no sense from a balance standpoint to create a third party in a game, and then make it possible for us to leave that third party alive, might as well be town then. This is why I don't believe his claim, I think Drazerk is scum and I want to lynch him. I guess I can't say I disbelieve his role claim as the flavor fits, however I do disbelieve his alignment claim. ##Vote Drazerk | ||
Dirk Hardpec
United States73 Posts
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Dirk Hardpec
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On March 18 2012 19:58 Blazinghand wrote: thems terrorist words I WILL NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS to my fellow townies let me explain situation to you [spioler] [bigAs we can clearly see, Drazerk is a terrorist, and he's trying to hold town hostage. Your hero is me, blzinghand!!!! Drazerk is like full of terrorising and only gets his power from making us fear. We mus tbe like spock and remove our minds from fear! DO not negotiate with terrorist lynch drazerk D1 or ther terrorists win I agree with this guy lol. It's simple Drazerk is scum | ||
Dirk Hardpec
United States73 Posts
Just think about it for a little while, what is the point of having a third party in the game that town does not want/need to get rid of? the chances of there being such a third party are very little. It would also make for a very uninteresting role, as that person's best interest is to claim day1 and then just play whatever minigame they're in. No, the only people it makes sense for to claim such a third party are mafia. I will be voting Blazinghand into office. His explanation of the drazerk situation was both correct and funny. When Drazerk flips scum, we will lynch with imputiny anyone who tried to actively push the idea that he couldn't be scum because of how he played. ##Elect Blazinghand | ||
Dirk Hardpec
United States73 Posts
Bh looks far more town than velinath. | ||
Dirk Hardpec
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245008&user=47499¤tpage=All I thought I recalled him trolling a game with a posting restriction like that some time ago, and I was right. In this game he basically faked a posting restriction as scum. It's an easy way to troll the thread and create pointless discussion. | ||
Dirk Hardpec
United States73 Posts
On March 19 2012 19:59 Zephirdd wrote: Worst omgus ever. posting from phone, cant multiquote. Will answer gonzaw's questions(mostly) in about 8hrs or so. Id appreciate if you could condense it all on a recent post btw. imo should only care about not reaching lv5 on dengine. Hardly an omgus, more like a pretty clear observation. If that's your criteria for scumhunting I hope to play scum in a game with you sometime, so I can just call everyone scum, and then accuse people of omgusing. Or do you just not like it that I bring to light something like this? It's not like your own posts have been radiating green. | ||
Dirk Hardpec
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Dirk Hardpec
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It seems very unlikely that it's a real restriction. | ||
Dirk Hardpec
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Anyway, it's a pointless discussion, either people buy the restriction or they don't. I don't. | ||
Dirk Hardpec
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Dirk Hardpec
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Ready your guns gentlemen. | ||
Dirk Hardpec
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Dirk Hardpec
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When I flip town, do NOT let him get away with it. There is absolutely no excuse for taking a shot at a townie in this situation, especially someone like me who is at least trying to keep the discussion moving. Depending on how Grackaroni plays this out we should probably lynch him anyway. I understand that I was unavailable over the weekend and with a low amount of posts I'm an easy target to go for, but I think that now I've proven I can be an asset to this town, the fact that he's still thinking about shooting me is pretty incriminating. I haven't been the model townie, so maybe it requires my flip. But if Grack shoots me, DO NOT LET HIM SHRUG IT OFF. I am not "just a bad townie". | ||
Dirk Hardpec
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Dirk Hardpec
United States73 Posts
On March 20 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote: I defended you quite a bit, but this post is bad and OMGUS. Why would you assume that Grack is scum, just because he thinks you are? You're not exactly townie. Because it's strictly bad to shoot me tonight. If I die it'll literally be only to kill discussion. I'm one of the few people actively posting. I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around. If I die, please remember what I said about Blazinghand tonight, consider my flip not a confirmation, but a strong indicator that I'm right and he's town. | ||
Dirk Hardpec
United States73 Posts
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Dirk Hardpec
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Now, you can thank me later, but I bring you someone who will actually flip scum. kitaman27 Of all the things he's done this is the most telling one: On March 19 2012 05:58 kitaman27 wrote: They are rather Curious. Another game comes to Mind. To be Frank, I'm Always suspicious of people WhO hope to mislead us with Major distractions such as these. Food5 I hope you notice that he's pointing out exactly the same thing as I did, that foolishness was feigning a posting restriction. The difference being in that I actually drew a conclusion from it, while kitaman just flutters around the issue, really making it nothing more than just a contentless post. If foolishness was scum, this makes sense as Kita would not want to draw too much attention, but someone would definitely call him out on it at some point, not having noticed the similarities. Even if I was wrong and foolishness was town, Kita would most certainly not want to call him out too hard because he'd be fearing the consequences of such an action. Softly pointing it out and never again mentioning it is only optimal play for scum-kita. Here: On March 19 2012 07:20 kitaman27 wrote: Just read through blazing and Velinath's filters. Looking at his zelblade analysis, I scratch my head and wonder if a scum player could really come up with a case that crazy. I'm confused by his insitance that cyber is scum based on his lack of posts, but his anti-terrorist stance is more than enough to win me back over. Playing with him as scum in Resistance, he was pretty aggressive and he openly pushed his objectives. This was the only post that set off any alarms, I'd be interested in hearing his reasoning for discreditting Gonzaw. Vel's posts have been pretty reasonable. Nothing groundbreaking, but I like his comment about wanting to control the outed third party for his kp, even if its a bad idea. He is pretty open with sharing his opinion and seems to get annoyed by things from a town midframe. I can't say I favor one player over the other, which isn't very helpful being the deciding vote, but I'll go with Velinath. I removed a picture from that post to keep it readable. Notice once again the soft and indecisive tone from kitaman. He really does not want to be a major factor in the game. He basically writes this post to reach no conclusion while quietly pushing the Velinath candidate. I'm not sure on Velinath's alignment yet, but I am completely 100% certain that Blazinghand was town, which is why I voted him into office. On March 21 2012 02:58 kitaman27 wrote: In regards to the Black Market, I'd suggest reading through the relevant posts from Insane 2. Each faction had to acquire a certain amount of currency to purchase a game breaking ability. Be careful when giving a certain amount of money to a certain faction. Additionally, does the black market use a quicktopic? As the mafia and sleeper cell leader probably have access, there is no reason for the town to not be able to read what is going on periodically as well. Being able to identify certain posting habits may lead us to their identities. Blazinghand getting shot over Velinath somewhat confuses me. Why is the runner up getting shot, rather than the player who has access to distributing pro-town powers among the members of town? The only reason I can think of Kenpachi having a GMarshal fake claim would be if he is the third party planar dragon. If that is the case, I don't think he should be today's lynch as we already used yesterday to eliminate a third party player. MidnightGladius, why are you claiming vanilla town day one? Was it simply an attempt to be elected? I'll mention my annoyance at the no flip again because I like to complain. Could you explain what you mean here Sbrubbles? Also, who are you suspicious of right now, besides kenpachi? A lot of your focus this game is on mechanics, rather than scum hunting. I'm considering the following people for lynch today: Mr. Wiggles Draz flat out claims that Wiggles has a different alignment as him and Wiggles completely ignores this. I know from my perspective, that if someone tells the thread that I'm scum or third party that I'm going to be refuting the claim 100% and going hard after him. When posting his reasoning for voting, he hardly even references draz's bizzare claim. In fact, at one point, he even starts to back off the lynch: Are you really willing to give a pass to a player who essentially claims they used an item to prove that you are scum? You argue that a kp might be better, but that is one less kp the mafia have to worry about and if no one shoots him or draz survives the hit, then we get to waste another day dealing with him. You buy his rage core claim after he claims to use an investigative item on you making you look bad? In addition, you never suggest an alternative for the lynch. When sharing his few reads that he does provide, he always gives reasons that make a player look good and bad, rather than committing strongly one way or another. The strongest read he does provide is a null read. Rather than openly share his opinion, he has to be questioned. Today he hasn't provided any suggestions for the day two lynch. Bluelightz The cases Bluelightz have provided us are essentially summaries, rather than analysis. He mentions that sinani is lurking, and quotes all three of cwave's posts, but doesn't explain why these things make them scum. In the town games I've read through, he is just as spammy, but at least he is willing to openly share his opinion. Today he wants to lynch sinani who is apparently already marked for death and kenpachi for not explaining his role (which he states is not allowed). How can kenpachi be his number one lynch candidate if he hasn't even read through his filter? As far as his opinions, they completely lack resolve. He likes wiggles for mayor, but switches off as soon draz paints him in bad light. He argues that draz is a threat to the town, but doesn't even vote for him in the end. blubbdavid I would be less willing to lynch him than the above two, but I thought he was worth mentioning anyway. Why are you trying to use anti-town behavior to enforce the idea that you are town? Are you proud of the fact that you haven't done anything but spam the thread? I know you are somewhat competent based on your play in Newbie V, so why have all your posts been a bunch of one liners without sharing your opinions? Continuing into day 2, kita is doing his best "I don't matter" impression. But hey, town expects him to actually push lynches today, because that's the pro-town thing to do. So how can kita keep having no influence over the thread while maintaining the illusion he's actually posting soemthing of value? Simple, just post a weak analysis on three random players. If I'm right and kita flips scum it doesn't even clear any of them because Kita's follow-up to this push has been so weak, so flailing, that there has never been any risk of any of them being lynched. And kita is hardly pushing his reads. In conclusion, I think kitaman is basically doing everything he can to remain useless in the game while appearing to be doing some work of any kind of value. My vote is going for kitaman27 today, yours should too. ##Vote kitaman27 | ||
Dirk Hardpec
United States73 Posts
On March 21 2012 18:38 zelblade wrote: Dirk, I dont agree with your read on kitaman and I need to reread his filter after doing some work to come to a better conclusion. What I would like to know is what you think of bluelightz. Considering that hes on the chopping block together with you, shouldnt you have some actual thoughts on him? Also the fact that you have been OMGUSing pretty hard is making me suspicious of you. First on Foolishness, whose case was weak and based off thin air, and probably more of a joke if your really are smurfing, and next on grackoni who wanted to shoot you. Besides your claim of driving discussion is pretty lolzy especially if you are town, since in that case most of the discussion you are supposedly driving is in the wrong way. I dont think you are a half bad shot, and find your omgus pretty bad. I don't think Bluelightz is scum. I think he's an easy target that gets pushed into a position to be lynched every game because he is always very vague and irrational in his play. But he seems to be posting without fear, so that at least is pretty townie. And if you need to lynch a townie to learn that attacking people who attack you for no reason is not a scumtell, be my guest. What do you expect me to do when one of the strongest town players on TL mafia hides behind a posting restriction, and then decides to attack me with nothing to back it up? Do you think I should not explain why he's scum because of it because I should be afraid of OMGUS-ing? I don't actually care if people voted me or not. If I think someone does something that's not justifiable, I will call them out, even at the risk of looking like I'm just attacking whoever attacks me. I mostly put the speech up on Grackaroni this night to scare him away from shooting me, as I have a decent role that can be very helpful. I'm not sure on Grack's alignment, depending on if his claim that he wanted to shoot me and couldn't is true or false. At this point I'm an easy excuse for mafia/third party to kill because alot of people want my head. I'm not about to hang quietly today, even if everyone is a giant derp and actually lynches me, at least my flip will provide heated arguments and mafia is going to have to push really hard for it. I'm not going to die easy, so bring it on scum. | ||
Dirk Hardpec
United States73 Posts
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Dirk Hardpec
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Dirk Hardpec
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On March 21 2012 23:55 kitaman27 wrote: Scum hate leading lynches. Kita was the first person to post an analysis and lead a lynch on day two. Therefore, Kita must be scum. I would hardly call what you're doing leading lynches. Your big post doesn't even come to a conclusion about who we should lynch. You just point out 3 guys you'd sort of be willing to lynch today, but ultimately the decision must come from someone else? I would definitely murder the fuck out of you if I had a gun. No "probably" no building cases against multiple people and claiming to be sort of ok with killing them all. If you think you're leading a lynch, you're not doing a good job at it. But I don't think that you are, I think you just got figured out. | ||
Dirk Hardpec
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Dirk Hardpec
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I have a lemon. Nisani's bus on bluelightz was basically a scumclaim ##Vote Nisani201 | ||
Dirk Hardpec
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Grackaroni did something that probably confirms him as town. | ||
Dirk Hardpec
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Anyway, I agree with foolishness about the Wiggles/kita thing. It' kita who should die, not wiggles. | ||
Dirk Hardpec
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Anyway, someone was saying I'm marked for death at some point I think? That's bs, afaik. | ||
Dirk Hardpec
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Dirk Hardpec
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Maybe kita intends to shoot me tonight? Just hang him if I die. | ||
Dirk Hardpec
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I can confirm everything jayjay is saying. | ||
Dirk Hardpec
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On March 26 2012 23:46 kitaman27 wrote: I did indeed shoot Palmar. He confirmed in the thread that he recieved a mod message indicating he would be shot. So are you guys saying that you think the scum doctor decided to heal the town aligned Palmar? Or that a town aligned doctor thought Palmar was the best heal? This is a flat out lie, I've repeatedly said I received no indication I was going to be shot, or that I had been shot. Your case on wiggles is bullshit. You posted dumb shit throughout day 2. You need to die now. ##Vote Kitaman27 | ||
Dirk Hardpec
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I wonder how kita's role works? I think he's full of shit. | ||
Dirk Hardpec
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I still think we should be lynching nisani201. role != alignment. | ||
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