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On March 12 2012 01:20 Jitsu wrote: What do you think it means?
Accountable means subject to the obligation to report, explain, or justify something; responsible; answerable.
If a player lies, and can't do the above, we kill him. If he can justify it, and it's a logical and clearly visible motive, we don't.
Why do you think a player who lies shouldn't be lynched? Is it you're opinion that lying isn't Anti-Town?
I think a player who lies should be placed under extreme suspicion, but I do not think we should pigeon hole ourselves by saying we have to lynch him, you basically give mafia a get out of jail free card, if they can prove a townie is lying they can ensure his death.
Lying should be a component of a case, not a case on its own. it should also serve as very solid grounds to discredit a player, which in some circumstances is worse than being lynched. I also feel that if someone is caught lying and refuses to provide a reason for why he lied, or lies with his reason for why he lied we can and should 100 percent lynch him, town needs to able to answer one another honestly when confronted with an issue like this, only mafia should be lying to get themselves out of the fire.
Also what do you think of the difference between withholding information as opposed to lying?
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On March 12 2012 01:29 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler [ tedious LaL crap] +On March 12 2012 01:20 Jitsu wrote: What do you think it means?
Accountable means subject to the obligation to report, explain, or justify something; responsible; answerable.
If a player lies, and can't do the above, we kill him. If he can justify it, and it's a logical and clearly visible motive, we don't.
Why do you think a player who lies shouldn't be lynched? Is it you're opinion that lying isn't Anti-Town? Town lie all the time. Town make illogical moves all the time. Town play anti-town all the time. But if we think they are town we do not lynch them.
Can I quote you for my law project?
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On March 12 2012 02:42 Caller wrote: i'd just like to say that people who say that we shouldn't lynch people for lying are already thinking about lying. And why would a townie want to lie right now? While their point is valid, they are just running interference for themselves.
gumshoe and jitsu come to mind here. At least one of you is mafia. The other is probably a stupid townie. i say we lynch one of them... after we kill doctor h, of course.
here's why we kill doctor h:
a) doctor h is town mafia will likely be disorganized this round, so whether or not we kill him this does nothing. b) doctor h is mafia we take out mafia and their probable leader.
having played with doctor h numerous times i can tell you that he is a leader type. and if we take out the mafia leader we'd really fuck up the mafia organization and strategy.
tldr: one of jitsu and gumshoe is scum, we should kill doctor h because whether or not he's town or mafia, the worst thing that could happen is that we lose someone who would probably get hit early anyways, whereas at best we would take out somebody that is really essential to a mafia team's strategy.
Jitsu and me could both be town getting pushed into the spotlight or we could both be scum, us being on opposite sides of the field does not say anything about our alignment, jitsu could just be trying to create an ideal town environment and generate discussion and I'm trying to prevent us from forming rock hard policy that can be used against us. so far you've advocated to kill a potential leader(you've said so yourself) and two players who are actively discussing a key note of this particular game(role of pms and honesty), I haven't read any of your old games so I'm not sure if this is what you usually do but I don't think your way is a healthy approach to the game, for instance in your reasoning for lynching doc you only consider him from the perspective that he is a threat, you don't consider the fact that if doc is town he could be of huge aid. Why would you lynch one of our best players because he could be scum?
Also in regard to no lynch vs lynch I really don't want waste our kill point unless theres a really good reason, if we decide right now to no lynch day one the pressure goes off of the mafia and conversation stifles because theres nothing at stake, if we do no lynch it should be a decision we make an hour before the dead line(but not last minute because if we have a suspect that were just about to lynch but we leave alive he will remain a weak point for town that mafia can continuously attack for good reason)
Caller whats your stance on a no lynch vs lynch and a lynch dead line?
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On March 12 2012 03:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 22:31 Jackal58 wrote:On March 11 2012 18:19 prplhz wrote: Hey guys
I'm surprised that Jackal58 is openly advocating that people announce who they are in PM contact with immediately. It's somewhat okay when a guy like Mattchew hides behind the "more information for town"-mantra, but I expect more from Jackal58.
If player A and player B are in contact with each other and they're both town, then why does the rest of the game need to know this? Scum can shoot into people to prevent town circles this way (as Mr. Wiggles already pointed out) and that's pretty bad. You are just giving scum extra information.
The PM mechanism is a town favored mechanism and we shouldn't be so afraid of it as everybody seems to be. We should instead encourage people to use it wisely. Fear mongering such as "Oh, BloodyC0bbler used this in some game to kick town's ass so lets all be afraid of PMs" is harmful, while "Be ware that people might be scum, don't just trust them because they're in PM contact with you. Use your brain." is a lot more useful for the single townie and for town as a whole.
Also, Mr. Wiggles advice on "state in thread when someone rolefishes" is bad. Use your brain. If a guy asks you for his role then there's no real harm in that, both townies and scum would benefit from it. If he insists on you telling him his role while you're trying to talk about reads and analysis, then you can start getting suspicious.
I'm not going to announce who I'm in PM contact with, unless they're scum. Every townie who says that they're going to say in the thread who they're in contact with is making it less likely that other people contact them, which is a bad thing.
I'll probably write a list of people I think are going to be very active in this game and then RNG one of them and PM contact that guy. I didn't really decide yet. My advocacy is not set in stone. Hence why I asked for a dissenting viewpoint. The discussion is much better than the typical day 1 LaL/Lurker conversation we've all seen a million times already. Mr Wiggles - Why state the obvious in your disadvantages? Of course scum know who's town. I said that mafia know "more or less" who's town, because there's a traitor in the game. So, they don't know 100% that anyone is town, and that they won't be shooting their traitor. Secondly, I never said that mafia knowing who town is was the disadvantage, I said that because mafia knows you're town, if they see you talking to another strong townie (who they'll also know is town), they can just shoot you and stop you from collaborating. In the first little bit of PMing, you're likely to be more wary of the other person while you try to establish a read, meaning that mafia can eliminate your PM threat before you accomplish anything, if you announce it. I'm not sure how you read that. Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 18:19 prplhz wrote: Hey guys
I'm surprised that Jackal58 is openly advocating that people announce who they are in PM contact with immediately. It's somewhat okay when a guy like Mattchew hides behind the "more information for town"-mantra, but I expect more from Jackal58.
If player A and player B are in contact with each other and they're both town, then why does the rest of the game need to know this? Scum can shoot into people to prevent town circles this way (as Mr. Wiggles already pointed out) and that's pretty bad. You are just giving scum extra information.
The PM mechanism is a town favored mechanism and we shouldn't be so afraid of it as everybody seems to be. We should instead encourage people to use it wisely. Fear mongering such as "Oh, BloodyC0bbler used this in some game to kick town's ass so lets all be afraid of PMs" is harmful, while "Be ware that people might be scum, don't just trust them because they're in PM contact with you. Use your brain." is a lot more useful for the single townie and for town as a whole.
Also, Mr. Wiggles advice on "state in thread when someone rolefishes" is bad. Use your brain. If a guy asks you for his role then there's no real harm in that, both townies and scum would benefit from it. If he insists on you telling him his role while you're trying to talk about reads and analysis, then you can start getting suspicious.
I'm not going to announce who I'm in PM contact with, unless they're scum. Every townie who says that they're going to say in the thread who they're in contact with is making it less likely that other people contact them, which is a bad thing.
I'll probably write a list of people I think are going to be very active in this game and then RNG one of them and PM contact that guy. I didn't really decide yet. What the hell? How's there no harm in someone asking you for your role? Why would another townie want to know your role, or more importantly need to know your role? If you're a townie, and you're rolefishing, you're just being dumb. You look like scum. Scum love to rolefish, because it lets them shoot blues for free, without the town having any idea why that person was shot. I completely fail to see why asking someone if they're a detective, or a medic, or whatever, is good for town. If you're a blue, you're really a VT. As soon as you tell people you're blue, without coming out in the thread, you compromise yourself, and you should be aware of that.
For the record I suggested you use pms to talk to a blue that you've confirmed and you don't want to reveal T_T it wasn't a fishing proposal.
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On March 12 2012 03:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 03:05 Jitsu wrote:On March 12 2012 02:01 layabout wrote:On March 12 2012 01:37 Jitsu wrote:On March 12 2012 01:29 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler [ tedious LaL crap] +On March 12 2012 01:20 Jitsu wrote: What do you think it means?
Accountable means subject to the obligation to report, explain, or justify something; responsible; answerable.
If a player lies, and can't do the above, we kill him. If he can justify it, and it's a logical and clearly visible motive, we don't.
Why do you think a player who lies shouldn't be lynched? Is it you're opinion that lying isn't Anti-Town? Town lie all the time. Town make illogical moves all the time. Town play anti-town all the time. But if we think they are town we do not lynch them. So, a player that is, according to you: 1. lying 2. playing illogically 3. playing anti-town ...has the potential to not be lynched because we might think they are town? No. That person will be getting my vote, and I will be doing what I can to push for their lynch, especially if those three things come up. You can do whatever you want with your vote, I guess. The steps to overcoming the belief that town players will do what is best for town1. Click on this link2. Scroll down 3. When you reach the playerlist click on Toadesstern and rgtheschworz 4. Read through both fliters, paying particular attention to the numerous lies both of them make 5. Discover that townies lie, play anti-town and play illlogically 6. Apologise to layabout Jitsu, being able to guess whether or not a player is town or scum is quite difficult even if players are all acting sensibly. You have to learn to deal with the additional complexity introduced by players playing poorly, illogically or even against their own win condition. I don't have to click that link, because those were the two people I was thinking about from Arkham as well. Part of me thinks that they were allowed to run rampant around because they weren't held accountable for the shit they did. If I remember correctly, RGTS made it alive to the end, or close to it. Instead of him, would you think town would have benefit from someone who didn't spout lies every other post? I certainly do. So again, just because townies lie, don't think logically, and play anti-town, yes, I, and I hope you, will hold them accountable for that. If you know someone's town, or strongly believe someone to be town, why would you kill them 'just because'?
Lying can be very harmful, town needs to feel that they are taking a risk when doing so, if there aren't at least some repercussions townies are free to be reckless, but I personally would rather discredit liars and simply agree to ignore them, not have liars serve as meat shields for scum.
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[/QUOTE] and finally i don't give a shit about policy. my job is to find mafia and get them killed. anything else is pointless. [/QUOTE]
So your like zasz?
Also you started the wifome by saying either me or jitsu was scum, your basis was what, that we were fighting each other? And at least one person in every fight is scum, right?(I thought scum try to avoid conflict...) I replied by saying me and jitsu fighting over pms could mean anything, isn't that anti wifome?
Furthermore are you me that you are not going to answer any questions unless it is directly relevant to scum hunting? This is a team game, if your town I don't see what you gain by being nigh unapproachable.
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On March 12 2012 06:17 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 05:43 Curu wrote: I wouldn't mind a jaybrundage lynch right about now.
I would suggest everyone keeping at least 1 PM target unused for now so if we get a confirmed Townie we can set up a Town circlejerk. do you really think a town circle jerk can actually be pulled off
Sorry can we please not call it a town circle jerk? As for wether its feasible, if you lay out your pms well you can have a group of five where everyone can contact everyone within that group of 5, wether it should be done for fear of spys is a separate issue, personally I feel if we can set up two groups of 5 consisting of solid townies I don't think both groups will be compromised, one large group though where people aren't sure who their contacts are talking to is just begging to be smashed. So if we do establish a circle it has to be organized perfectly to ensure the maximum amount of potential/manageable communication. I'm for it if we do groups of 5 where everyone can keep tabs on each other otherwise its best just to have a pm open with someone you trust and one in reserve for trap/emergency purposes like curu suggested.
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He guys back, gonna comment on a few current cases and add one of my own.
Callers play was uber flashy, super risky and stupid, dosent seem like the kind of thing scum would do ) : I don't think he's scum, I do think he felt by putting himself in the spotlight he would be able to call out the people bussing him(ie the obvius target) Unfortunately I know from personal(albiet limited) experience that this does not work more often than not. The result of his plan was chaos and he even if he were to draw something out of the wreckage it would be hard to take what he says seriusley, so no my vote is not on caller, but I wouldn't mind having him be ignored for a while.
Moving on I think Bill is scum, I'm going to go through his posts one by one(not difficult he only has like 10).
Bill Murray starts of providing meta on a couple players.
I have meta on both of them Katina is Lanaia, I believe. I am not as up to snuff on the scum game as from town, but I know I could do a good job with the scum if I was able to sense nervousness. In their town game, they like to be a backseat driver.
I haven't played with Abenson in years, but from what I can remember, you can expect some crazy little guy who lives on the edge and doesn't take no for an answerHe notes that he could theoretically weed out
I find it interesting that he's confident he can get a good read on her if she's town but the only thing he can do if she's scum is provide some general stuff, he also says that as town she back seats, he says this despite the fact that katina's last game(and the only game that shows up on her current account) she roled as scum, the game was arkham, and by the end katina had only two pages worth of filter in an over 200 page game, Bill Murray played in this game as hush and made it relatively far(day 4). In that game bill only adressed her three times and the last time he declared her town, I find it difficult to believe that he wouldn't go back and figure out the person who had him so well duped, even if he didn't hit kick himself a little he at least must have gained first hand experience of katinas scum play, but he claims otherwise. Unless he provides us with some more games with lania, I'm going to assume that this game is his only direct/recent experience with katinas play and this was when she was scum, so where is your experience with her town play coming from Bill? Please link a game, furthermore according to you she backsetats as town, well she does so as scum as well, therefore according to her behaviour is interchangeable yet you don't mention this. For the record Katina IS back seating this game.
It just seems like a very sloppy post that keeps Bill from having to attack someone he should be familiar with, whats more providing vague past advice on players is a FANTASTIC way to look both experienced and productive, bill addresses jackals question six hours after it was asked, it was the first thing he felt he needed to address for some reason. Why? Like I said these kind of questions are scum's bread and butter and despite the fact that the question was ancient bill couldnt bother passing it up.
Lets move on to the rest of the post, He says hes a bit rusty when it comes to abenson, but that from what he remembers abenson is a loose cannon. Discrediting townies based on ancient experience right at the start of the game... Doesn't strike me as pro town exactly... He addresses the Abenson question despite the fact that town has already talked about him, seems uneccecairy, you know like having more butter on bread then you could pssibly need unceccecairy...
Then he briefly begins crumbing suspicion on caller
why doctorH? He feels like he is genuine to me... you know something I don't?
Remarkably I actually think this is an early scum slip, bill says he finds doc genuine, doesn't say why but he certainly sounds confident in dyh's innocence(note this is the first notable attempt bill makes to buddy up with dyh), then instead of saying caller is stupid or that hes scum he asks caller if he knows something about what I can only assume are the roles, now at first glance this is an accusation under a fluffy guise because the only way caller could know something of roles at this stage in the game is if he's scum. This light weight timid accusation is fishy enough on it's own, but then I thought about it a little,perhaps the reason for bills confidence in dyh's innocence is what bill knows that caller doesn't, and bill knows theres no way caller can know better than himself, bill knows who town is and who is scum which is why he somewhat ironically asks if caller knows something he doesn't, because caller cant possibly know that dyh is town just like bill knows he is, all this is because bill is scum. This is just speculation though to be honest, it was just how timid and cryptic this accusation came off that sorta gave me scummy vibes, why couldn't he just call him scum? I never thought of bill as the town coward and no matter how you spin it this dosent sound like the kind of question a straight forward townie like bill would ask, even in jest.
Finally we get to his first major opinion on policy, and god is it wishy washy,
I see both sides of the outting who you PM vs not I have outted it, and it cost the town, so I doubt I will be outting anything this game, unless Isee a blatant slip
can you talk to us about the time you cost town? A reoccurring trend with you seems to be that you reference this magical well of experience that you never actually tap into.
Note this is bills longest post, the rest are mostly infrequent three liners /:
Next up his attack on me
On March 11 2012 14:09 gumshoe wrote: Show nested quote +
Gumshoe
I dont think we should have to announce who were pming, but I do think we should all say when we have at least two people who have decided to pm us. Why? Because I dont think everyone should be pming the one guy who we all think is a great townie, everyone should have 4 contacts ideally, that way the spread of information is even and we have a better chance to gain more information as opposed to having everyone pming one guy. Of course that is optional and I wont suggest that you announce who has decided to pm you, just tell us when you have two contacts so we can keep the spread of pm lines even.
Bill
i dont like this quote, and it earned my vote the guy doesnt want someone taking pms i always want to be the guy taking pms, personally, that's what i like death to the infidels
What? You voted for me because I suggested we spread out or pms? How is it useful to have one person hold multiple pms, if they are town they can get killed and several people have wasted a contact. If thier scum well... I think that speaks for itself, I still think two covert groups of five(five bieng the number that uses up all 10 pms but allows everyone in the group to contact one another) is the right way to go about pms but thats another fight for another day. Bill doesn't even suggest why its bad that we spread out our pms, he just sounds... childish. Contrast this open almost dismissive accusation with his timid attack on Caller, it almost feels like he knows there is no risk in attacking me because I am a newer player. This is not town behaviur, townies attack the biggest potential threats first not the easy prey noobs, or perhaps townies attack scum? I dont know I get attacked a lot by scum >_<.
Next is a question he bill asks
jitsu, what are your thoughts on layabout's alignment this game?
Would like to hear your thoughts on jitsu's reply bill, until then this question is filler.
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+ Show Spoiler +@doctorh, what are the reasons you like from curu? I'm catching up, and I value your opinion. That is also why I am sort of sheeping you. You saw what I saw out of gumshoe, switched when that wagon wasn't going anywhere for some reason, and probably found a good one here.
I remember Caller's posting earlier on in the day being suspect. He came in like a bull, china flying everywhere, and the broken glass and debris are making it easy to see a case on him being valid.
tl;dr: catching up, asking questions, can see caller being scum
Umm what? You didnt see anything in me, you were mad because I was taking your pms and what not, DH brought up a solid case about me posting too many posts to do with policy, when did you ever mention that that was your problem with me? Unless youve been communicting with Dh outside of the thread I can only assume that your lying here and trying to buddy up with dh while reminding him of his suspiciuns of me and in fact crumbing a bit on DH for the future(for instacne, lets say curu gets lynched and then flips green, all you have to do is attack me, and if DH refuses to back you up you can point out how he just dropped his case on me all a sudden way back when), you also dont even provide your own evidence for why you doubt curu! Another theme with your play. We can see it play out 5 seconds later when you accuse Caller, now that everyones attacked him and hes pretty much proclaimed himself insane, you dont mind fully accusing him at all. Yet again you do not bring any evidence to back up your convictions.
next post.
1) clicked on page 10 2) see LAL argument 3) *facepalm*
I disagree with Jitsu. I feel fakeclaiming as a townie to soak a hit is very theoretically sound. I know it is viewed negatively, and helps mafia blend in, but I would argue I am very knowledgeable when it comes to playing the other side of the coin from history and meta.
Mafia want to know who is what power role the most, so they can figure out how to untie the knot of the town's night actions. They hate not knowing who the doctors, watcher, trackers, whatever are. They want to be able to disrupt that.
Aside from the fact that I find fake roleplaying silly I dont really have a problem with this post... no actually I do, once again he is referring to his great wealth of experience without providing evidence or an anecdote, and hes talking about meta while we were discussing several major lynch options...
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op 2 suspects are jitsu and layabout, but i'm voting for caller... hmmm... sorry to spam, but something must be wrong with my brain. I'm going to switch my vote to jitsu, actually.t
Da fuck? No one finds this suspicius? that bill is flip flopping back and forth within the space of one post? And why does he think hes spamming...and where did this jitsu vote come from? Last time you were just disagreeing with him now you think he's scum? Weird.
And thats all for analysis.
Bill provides no evidence to back up his claims.
Has clearly been trying to buddy up with DH
Only attacks weak targets and does so poorly (like me or caller)
Has posted half as much in the past two days than his first day in arkham.
Has Ridden on other people cases and on the wave of his own experience but provides no examples or reasons for why his experience is correct in this entirely different situation. How is this guy not scummy? And why has no one accused him yet?
Few questions.
Bill can you tell us a bit more about katina? How are you familiar with her town play but not her scum play?
Dh what do you think of Bill potentially sheeping you?
And what do all of you think of the fact that Bill hasn't said a thing about Jackal?
Where is bill? Were approaching zero hour and he hasn't posted in over 12 hours!
Last thing in regard to jackal, the solution is alot simpler than you think, we spare him tonight and see if a blue dies and flips with a unique player name, then will know that jackal is probably telling the truth because only he could know his own player name if hes a blue, we can also tell now that (because the games theme seems to be player names) that the scum god father will be named after a notorious player. Same thing with the traitor, and the blues will probably have the name of a player with a good rep, like dream flower.
Anyways my vote goes to Bill Murray unless you guys have a better suggestion right now.
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On March 13 2012 06:22 Curu wrote: I'm in two minds cause I'm convinced Dreamflower is not under any way shape or form a Normal role especially with the new strict standards that govern what constitutes a Normal game. But on the other hand the claimed role still makes no sense for Mafia. The only thing I can think of is that there may be an odd number of Mafia and leaving Jackal alive for a day gives Mafia an additional KP going into the night.
If we leave Jackal alive he is going to have to shoot tonight and claim his shot right before the deadline. I'll re-read the thread to see if there's anything else that sticks out but I doubt I would like a lynch better than Jackal. Even in the offchance he is Town losing the role is not a huge loss because it's such a double sided sword. Especially given the circumstances since a rushed shot is far more likely to hit a Town (resulting in 2 anti Town KP).
Leave him alive tonight see who shows up dead tommorow, all we need is confirmation that player names play a role.
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Can someone summarize the case against node for me
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any thoughts on my bm case?
also Dh I noticed you posted a case against me way back, do you still want me to address it?
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On March 13 2012 06:44 Curu wrote: I want to stay with Jackal. Best case scenario we get scum, worst case we've used our day 1 lynch on Town.
If we move onto someone else the best case scenario becomes we get scum and Jackal hits Mafia (super duper unlikely), worst case scenario becomes we used our day 1 lynch on Town and 2 extra KP hits Townies at night (very very likely).
I'm not confident enough in any other lynches right now to take that risk. Katina maybe but it would mostly become firing into lurkers or people posting stupid stuff as opposed to scummy stuff.
gumshoe I think most of it, especially the flip flopping, is stupid derp posting rather than scummy posting. It's hard to tell whether flip flopping is a sign of uncertainty (very possible on day 1 especially) or scum motivations (which we can't know till people flip).
And his obvious lie about katina? Why would her current behaviour correlate with town play, when in her most recent game she played almost the exact same way but scummier?
I dont think we should lynch jackal, if he had just sad he was doc I would be all for killing him but he identified a theme to roles, which means we just need to wait and see if his theme is real, otherwise he pulled it out of his ass and we lynch, why kill a potential blue?
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Also curu wost case scenario we kill a blue.
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On March 13 2012 06:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 06:37 gumshoe wrote: any thoughts on my bm case?
also Dh I noticed you posted a case against me way back, do you still want me to address it? not particularly, i'm not voting for you Pandain why the fuck would you claim DT day 1 with no pressure
maybe he's bored? Or he could be fake claiming, but unless you want to lynch him we should drop the subgect.
One thing though, Pandain since your claiming your dc anyways, would you mind telling us if your pm gives your role a specific name? If it does then we can probably clear jackal today and move on.
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On March 13 2012 06:51 Pandain wrote:lol Dr. H I expected more from you.... I'm actually getting replaced just having a bit of fun
) : was hoping you could help jack out.
Umm curu, what if someone could make sure jack survives the night? Would that be a good move? Make sure he can save the bullet till he knows who scum is? I just don't see the merits of killing a blue when all we have to do is just wait a day to see if he's lying ):
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I cant hounestley see where curu's coming from, he plays down bm's obviously awful play as just flip floppy and argues that we should kill the guy who claimed as specific hue of blue, curu what is it about jacks play that you actually find scummy? before the claim.
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On March 13 2012 07:02 Curu wrote: lol that post by VE was so ridiculously bad.
gumshoe you're really getting caught up in the idea that blues are sacred. Jackal's role is arguably more anti Town than pro Town. Consider that even normal Vigilantes can contribute heavily to Town losing, a suicide Vig is a hundred times worse.
I admit I have a high opinion of blues, but really the solution is simple, jackal just dosent have to shoot. Lets have him make a deal, we treat his shot as a lynch, we vote who he kills, regardless as long as jackal remains alive mafia will have to roleblock him or at least be wary of him. I value you bues but I am not relying on them and I am not doing scums job by killing one.
Also are you actually trying to convince me that mislynching is a good thing?
Btw do we even have enough people right now for a majority lynch?
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I'm kind sad my bm case kinda got walked over T_T
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On March 13 2012 07:08 Curu wrote: Go find the case yourself gumshoe, I'm not here to baby you.
Before the claim I would lynch Jackal 100% over anyone else. I feel that strongly about my meta read.
After the claim I think that it is completely weird for Mafia to claim that but this is outweighed by my belief that a Suicidal Vig has no place in a Normal game. With Jackal's history of claiming crazy shit as Mafia (Resurrection Mafia he claimed some impossibly convoluted role, Cosmic Horror Mafia he "found" the breadcrumb to bus one of his Mafia mates for examples) I wouldn't put something like this past him.
I'll make you a deal, if no blues die tonight and we have no way to confirm the games theme, I will put an end to jackal. Thats the best I can offer.
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oh sorry I meant help put an end to jackal.
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