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On February 25 2012 01:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 09:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 24 2012 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 09:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 24 2012 09:36 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote bloodyc0bbler Well, that didn't take much. I appreciate the effort BC. If your quality of posting stays at least close to the quality of your last post, I can entertain the possibility of lynching others first. What are your thoughts on WBG BC? at the moment an aggressive asshat who needs to shape up or ship out. By your estimation, how much "aggressive asshattery" is it going to take before he's no longer able to "shape up" enough and has to be "shipped out"? That's a really really wishywashy stance on someone who's active when you're largest gripe with RoL is his inactivity sir. RoL's biggest tell in near all games as red that I can recall is his activity level. He lurks and will bust out excuses as to why he was inactive but always appears when he has to (called out or to avoid being heavily suspected, etc..) whereas town he even when busy with life shite always has quality posts if inactive. As for how much it will take for wbg is similar to what I would expect what it will take for myself or RoL. IE contribute. I am overall fine with aggressive posting but aside from a few of his posts he has come off as someone attempting to avoid leaving a huge mark on the thread in solid opinions. He obviously has had some solid posts, but he has a ton of fluff ones as well. LOL holy shit. Scum much? You have played enough with me to know my play is erratic and that I have played plenty of games active as scum. Just because I was busy for 16 hours (get over it guys) doesn't mean you are going to get away with this shit when I am actually reading the thread. Helvetica you are scum, will get to that in a minute though.
Your play is erratic only in terms of quality of your posts. Now and then you have things like work keeping you distracted or the like, but the level of posts you make are normally decent as town and lazyish as scum. If your telling me I am wrong on this, prove it to me. Til then your on my radar.
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Hey BH I have a question for you. Why is it that you are so suspicious of me yet so far have posted cases on people that I have pushed? Why is it that your cases are all rehashes of other peoples cases? Why is it that you seem to not possess a single original thought of your own in this entire game? Why are you so fing hostile to people who have done nothing but question you on valid reasons?
You appear to be buddying yourself up to me hard core yet stated you think I am mafia. As such you would have no reason to look at the people I point at and then rehash my entire arguments. Not only that but you quote the same posts I used for my case on risk.nuke. It looks scummy as hell then add in your general behaviour now you seem like the best lynch at this moment.
##vote Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hey BH I have a question for you. Why is it that you are so suspicious of me yet so far have posted cases on people that I have pushed? Why is it that your cases are all rehashes of other peoples cases? Why is it that you seem to not possess a single original thought of your own in this entire game? Why are you so fing hostile to people who have done nothing but question you on valid reasons?
You appear to be buddying yourself up to me hard core yet stated you think I am mafia. As such you would have no reason to look at the people I point at and then rehash my entire arguments. Not only that but you quote the same posts I used for my case on risk.nuke. It looks scummy as hell then add in your general behaviour now you seem like the best lynch at this moment.
##vote Blazinghand I'm not your buddy pal
Then start thinking of your own cases or your own points to add to cases. You have yet to post anything new or insightful. Possibly something useful you could learn
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On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote: Jitsu: I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran: After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game
You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active.
Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake.
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On February 25 2012 10:58 VisceraEyes wrote: BC - is this DocH's normal play? It looks to me like he's pouring on the "Hey guys, watch me pressure these noobs!" a little thick...
He does this alot with pressuring people. I think his lack of confidence in some of his reads / the way he is more carefully moving around with his posts he is more likely town. The games I have read he has been in as red he has been really really really confident. He just doesn't have that air this game. I could be wrong but this is purely based on past experience.
However that doesn't mean I agree with his reads.
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On February 25 2012 11:27 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote: Jitsu: I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran: After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active. Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake. I didn't say I pushed a case. Tell me where I said I pushed a case on Jitsu. Oh, hey, you can't, cause you're misrepping me like a member of congress
You actively analyzed his posts and although never made a "case" you were obviously pushing him as a potential scum. However, to use your own words against you.
On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote: And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town.Yet here we are.
This here is actually a "case" you made yet you deny making a case? So does that mean that as all you have done is rehash peoples arguments and not pushed your own targets and thus not actively hunted scum you have already broken the advice you gave Jitsu? What about all the spam one liners and insults you have recently posted which is also not helpful to town.
You are denying making a case, (although I believe you did, making a case even if its only used as suspicion is still a case), and have not been helpful to town at all today, and your "scum hunting" is spotty at best so that would make you a hypocrite and thus must be scum by your own reasoning.
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On February 25 2012 11:37 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 11:27 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 11:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote: Jitsu: I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran: After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active. Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake. I didn't say I pushed a case. Tell me where I said I pushed a case on Jitsu. Oh, hey, you can't, cause you're misrepping me like a member of congress You actively analyzed his posts and although never made a "case" you were obviously pushing him as a potential scum. However, to use your own words against you. On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote: And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town.Yet here we are. This here is actually a "case" you made yet you deny making a case? So does that mean that as all you have done is rehash peoples arguments and not pushed your own targets and thus not actively hunted scum you have already broken the advice you gave Jitsu? What about all the spam one liners and insults you have recently posted which is also not helpful to town. You are denying making a case, (although I believe you did, making a case even if its only used as suspicion is still a case), and have not been helpful to town at all today, and your "scum hunting" is spotty at best so that would make you a hypocrite and thus must be scum by your own reasoning. I didn't say I didn't make a case, I said I didn't say I made a case. You said I said I made a case and I said I called him out.
MAKING A CASE IS CALLING HIM OUT YOU DUMB FUCK
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seriously? The guy is flailing around like a chicken with its head cut off, lets lynch this scum and move on to new targets.
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On February 25 2012 11:40 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 11:37 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 11:27 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 11:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote: Jitsu: I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran: After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active. Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake. I didn't say I pushed a case. Tell me where I said I pushed a case on Jitsu. Oh, hey, you can't, cause you're misrepping me like a member of congress You actively analyzed his posts and although never made a "case" you were obviously pushing him as a potential scum. However, to use your own words against you. On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote: And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town.Yet here we are. This here is actually a "case" you made yet you deny making a case? So does that mean that as all you have done is rehash peoples arguments and not pushed your own targets and thus not actively hunted scum you have already broken the advice you gave Jitsu? What about all the spam one liners and insults you have recently posted which is also not helpful to town. You are denying making a case, (although I believe you did, making a case even if its only used as suspicion is still a case), and have not been helpful to town at all today, and your "scum hunting" is spotty at best so that would make you a hypocrite and thus must be scum by your own reasoning. I didn't say I didn't make a case, I said I didn't say I made a case. You said I said I made a case and I said I called him out. MAKING A CASE IS CALLING HIM OUT YOU DUMB FUCK Again, I didn't say I didn't make a case, I said I didn't say I made a case. The case wasn't a huge case, but he didn't have a huge filter (post end of D1). It is what it is.
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On February 25 2012 11:48 Blazinghand wrote: Wait look so maybe my wording isn't perfect, but I'm definitely not the best lynch today. I've been trying to improve my game and everything you guys ;_;
I disagree
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On February 25 2012 18:39 Blazinghand wrote: So you are utterly unconvinced by my claim, my crumb, and my explanation for my voting actions near the end of D1?
I'm heading to bed fairly soon. I guess at least this will provide some context for who was getting on my wagon when etc when I flip. Hopefully though I won't, since you guys are reasonable.
Any questions/comments/concerns before I sleep?
Given that your extra vote was never factored into the vote as far as I can see it at the moment I am going to call bullshit on your claim. Factor in your poor play and overall disrespectul demeanor to players in the last few pages, imo you outright lied to me although you will argue you did not, then I am keeping my vote on you. In my view you have played the most scummy this entire game thus far. I will be back early to mid afternoon est as I am jetting to work now.
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As a general note as well just before I leave. Given that we have no clue what the setup actually is, I will once again say that role does not actually equate to alignment. A vote manipulation role is actually something in a setup like this that would be incredibly pro mafia -_-. Roles like the vote rigger/floridian/fakesteve/showtime, etc.. are some of the most powerful mafia sided roles from our other games.
When factoring in any claim people please take into account the actual play of the player up to that point and not just take the claim as they claim it. Now I'm gone.
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On February 26 2012 03:12 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 19:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 18:39 Blazinghand wrote: So you are utterly unconvinced by my claim, my crumb, and my explanation for my voting actions near the end of D1?
I'm heading to bed fairly soon. I guess at least this will provide some context for who was getting on my wagon when etc when I flip. Hopefully though I won't, since you guys are reasonable.
Any questions/comments/concerns before I sleep? Given that your extra vote was never factored into the vote as far as I can see it at the moment I am going to call bullshit on your claim. That's a weird conclusion to come to. Rather than to ask him to submit his Floridian vote right now to confirm his role, you're going to accuse him of fake claiming? I find it strange that you instantly jump to the idea that he is a liar, rather than attempting to get more information on the situation. Blazinghand can you confirm that your role shows up in the vote count?
Just got home and to respond to this, look at the current vote update by palmar. BH specifically said his ability was passive. As such RoL should have 4 votes not 3. He clearly has 3 beside RoL's name. There is obviously the chance that Palmar has opted to not show the vote be it with a x2 beside his name or an anonymous vote, but as I have never seen or heard of the floridian worked that way I will call bs on bh's claim still.
My reasoning in part obviously may be wrong based on the setup being different, however I find it hard to believe palmar would include roles that activate and do what they do yet there is never a link to the role use.
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On February 28 2012 04:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:I think Dirkzor/Toadesstern are mafia Show nested quote +BC's town hasn't been impressive this game at all. Yes he is (according to everyone else here) a semi-god who plays a sick mafia but his townplay so far has not impressed me at all. Neither did it in L. Not saying it's bad, just not what I expected after everyone yelling "omfg BC top 3 players on TL" (or whatever). Assumption that BC is town. This either means that he knows BC's alignment is town (meaning scum or DT) or that they are both scum and Toades is afraid to say anything suspicious of BC. Dunno. I've actually seen RoL play this badly as town before. I think he ragequit Salem after someone accused him of being scum. It made him so angry that he flamed the shit out of the guy (idr who it was) then roleclaimed and left the game.
RoL was a mod of salem with me >.>
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On February 28 2012 02:42 Jitsu wrote: @VE, the other thing yelling at me in the back of my mind is that BC is still alive. No one claimed a Jackal Vig shot, so I assume both Jackal and Syllo were mafia hits. Two shots on two town players - understandable. But they didn't even attempt to kill one of the better, more renowned town players?
That thought keeps creeping back into my mind.
This is wifom beyond belief -_-
There are numerous reasons as to why someone of my standing would or wouldn't get shot. I could obviously start naming some of them but it would serve no actual point to list them. The few most likely logical reasons mafia would not shoot me is they believe I will get lynched, they believe a town will shoot me, or they have tried and it was stopped in some way(obviously no way to confirm this last one).
There are many more reasons obviously but these are the ones that stand out in my mind.
Its also hard to actually figure out the logical reasons as to why all people get shot at night as they could be shot from anything ranging from they were saying intelligent things to attempting to dodge medics to attempting to blue snipe.
Without knowing who the mafia is, attempting to guess why someone was shot or not shot is merely guesses/assumptions and cannot be proven until reds start to flip.
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On February 28 2012 04:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:I think Dirkzor/Toadesstern are mafia Show nested quote +BC's town hasn't been impressive this game at all. Yes he is (according to everyone else here) a semi-god who plays a sick mafia but his townplay so far has not impressed me at all. Neither did it in L. Not saying it's bad, just not what I expected after everyone yelling "omfg BC top 3 players on TL" (or whatever). Assumption that BC is town. This either means that he knows BC's alignment is town (meaning scum or DT) or that they are both scum and Toades is afraid to say anything suspicious of BC. Dunno. I've actually seen RoL play this badly as town before. I think he ragequit Salem after someone accused him of being scum. It made him so angry that he flamed the shit out of the guy (idr who it was) then roleclaimed and left the game.
As a note DrH to help prove your point, i believe mafia 42 (i believe this is flamewheels weird mason mechanic game) would fit the bill for RoL playing badly as town. He lurked until heavily called out, then proceeded to push lynches on townies and get into pointless arguments with his accusers.
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On February 28 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote: ##Vote wherebugsgo
Funny thing is, I don't even need to make a case.
Burden of proof and all that shit.
What the fuck is this shit? Guilty until proven innocent? Get the fuck out. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. This is one of the single most scummy things I have read this game.
On August 06 2011 20:35 Ace wrote:Even dumber than 2 years ago. Player A: Prove you're Town. Player B: What? That absurdly ridi- Player A: He can't do it! Lynch him! Jubjubs (chanting): It makes so much sense! Lynch him! or the equally stupid because it's the same thing: Player A: Prove you aren't Mafia. Player B: .... Player A: He's defending himself! Lynch him! Defending yourself is a scumtell! Jubjubs: My god! Why didn't we see this before! *smacks collective forehead*There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Try to be on the ignorant side, ok?
I am not sure you are mafia, or just horrendous town. However, based on your filter and lack of any reasonable content (i see lots of sheeping) you seem mafia. I don't know how much else to say about you aside from go die.
On February 28 2012 02:02 VisceraEyes wrote: I have a feeling we're screwed. I think BC is scum and RoL doesn't care enough to clear his name.
/facepalm
I'm about to go on a posting spree about a few people, and I'd appreciate some leeway to finish my posts before we just start calling everything I'm saying scummy.
I'm going to be examining the following people - previous scumreads BloodyC0bbler, wherebugsgo and RoL and new interestings Toadesstern and layabout. I'm not sure who I'll support a lynch of, but if it's not one of these people, I'll cerrtainly provide reasoning explaining why.
I'm still waiting on your posting. I see a lot of posts from you saying you think RoL and I are scum and have seen these posts since day 1. What I find interesting however is that of your top scum reads the ones who have sat there the longest you are fine with keeping alive but are opting to push someone else entirely. What I find even more interesting is that you promised to analyze 5 players and you have only analyzed 1. I also find it amusing that of those 5 people not only have you not looked at the person who was jumping at wbg (who was on your scum reads) but I don't even see the comments in regards to said scum read also tunneling the player you were pushing for. I also don't understand why you have yet to comment about that same player hopping off wbg and jumping back onto a player that you have said is the bottom of your lynch list.
You have promised alot, and are guilty of similar levels of inactivity as at least two of the players you have pushed for inactivity (obviously myself and RoL have been far more inactive overall than you have, but you have also vanished for decent periods of time). You have not pushed the target you feel is most likely to be mafia to sufficient levels either day 1 or 2. In day 1 you pushed heavily on Redff then flip flopped your vote between him and me until you ultimately settled on me. Day 2 you pushed wbg almost solely as your only option as a red player yet you VOTED FOR BLAZING HAND.
He wasn't on a list you provided publically. You didn't give any piece of information of why you swapped your vote, you just swapped. Why would anyone as town move away from their #1 scum target for the day to a player you have not discussed as red at all nor provided a reason and instead appears to be joining a bandwagon. This screams scum jumping ship from 1 player to a misslynch target.
On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 06:59 wherebugsgo wrote:Okay deadline soon and class as well (so even if I'm alive I won't be on till much later. Midterms ) My thoughts ATM: If I die, 100% kill Dr. H. Last time when he was scum I pressured him (albeit harder and during the day, since I actually had time) and then ended up dying. Right now his actions are weird in that certain things he is saying make sense, but other things do not. I'm not very sure on his alignment and many of the things he said recently (particularly what he pointed out about RoL's stance on BC and his agreement with me about VE) make sense. If I'm alive I'll have to strongly reconsider my thoughts on him. Gut says scum, and I can't figure out why. VE and RoL are both good lynches for today, IMO. I would also support killing prplhz, who has been completely inactive over the last 24 hours and said some incredibly strange things day 1. He seemed to sheep syllo just to sheep syllo, with no real opinions of his own. Sure, it's great to follow syllo's lead if he's town, but not everything syllo says is infallible (and yes, if I die please please please listen to syllogism. If he's scum he won't keep the charade up long since his scum confidence is low but at this point I doubt he actually is scum.) VE is a good lynch basically because he said BC was null but then he repeatedly called him scum. His actions don't line up with his words and his scum list, as Dr. h said, looks very similar to the bs he was writing in Arkham City. RoL is a good lynch because he voted redFF but said BC was scummy. I hope this gets in on time Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 07:08 wherebugsgo wrote: Alright I'm not gonna be back till later:
##vote VisceraEyes
Points of note:
-said BC was "null" but also somehow scummy enough to vote -has written fluff posts that are incredibly similar to those from Arkham City -calls me wishy washy but deliberately avoids calling me scum or even scummy because of it
Let me just attack the points of note, because they're easier to digest and they pretty clearly outline his entire gripe with me. - "said BC was "null" but aslo somehow scummy enough to vote"First of all, here is the post I assume WBG is referring to. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 12:46 VisceraEyes wrote: FUCK Jackal - I'd had myself convinced it was Thursday all day - your appearance in the thread has reminded me that it's not.
X(
Well, while you're here (smashing all my dreams), how about you help me out with something. Can YOU explain what is townie about BC's behavior/defenses that had everyone unwilling to lynch him? I'm not seeing it. All I see are a few angrily and hastily thrown together posts which doesn't really much indicate town to me, although it does indicate null as fuck to me which taken with his behavior the rest of the day seems incriminating enough.... I never EVER said that BC himself was "null". I said that the action of him angrily and hastily throwing together posts was null as fuck. I then go on to say that with the rest of BC's behavior outside the anger and hasty annoyed posts, referring to his nudge of redFF, lack of commitment to a read of red, failure to address the concerns I brought forward after his first appearance in thread, etc., seems incriminating to me. This post is me asking Jackal why the fuck BC lived and redFF died after claiming Tracker. I never at any point say that I have a 'null' read on BC, I'm not in the business of pushing my 'null' reads' wagons to the very last minute. -"has written fluff posts similar to BCAC"This is cute, especially coming from WBG. Mafia is a social game. If all I've been doing had been making fluff posts with no content, this would be a valid point. However, I've put forward more content in D1 than WBG has all game. Easily. EASILY WBG FUCKING HANDS DOWN. -"calls me wishy washy but deliberately avoids calling me scum or even scummy because of it"This is....hilarious. Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 16:57 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 22 2012 16:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 22 2012 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote: And BC is your strongest read right now Syllo? Like, without question?
Did you ever get around to looking at the whole WBG/chaoser thing sir? I feel like that exchange means something. chaoser's defense was solid, but I didn't mind WBG's attack either.
However, chaoser still seems to be interested in finding scum, while WBG has only recently been calling red scum...he's been tunneled in on chaoser ever since that argument.
I'm starting to get a red read on WBG. did you just accuse me of tunneling chaoser? LOL. I guess you don't know what tunneling means. If you want to see me tunneling chaoser, look at Steamship. stfu scum! (<3) Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 18:56 VisceraEyes wrote:VisceraEyes Lynch List of Storm's EndBloodyC0bbler - My complaints echo the complaints of players such as DocH and Syllogism...he's had plenty of opportunity to come look for scum - he hasn't. He placed a vote on redFF without saying whether he thought he was scum or not. I was less than satisfied with his responses to my posts, and I've been unimpressed with his effort so far in the game. I voted for this guy in L, and while I was herpin and a derpin, he was finding scum and establishing his innocence. wherebugsgo - WBG has similarly not been interested in finding scum. He called chaoser scum lightly at the beginning of the day, but it looked more like an excuse to get into a conversation with him than anything. This is directly after he just got done buddying him in his introduction post. Followed up with calling redFF bad ad nauseum. Very clear to not say scum - only very bad. Suddenly this all changes after red sheeps after Jackal? Sheeping is something scum and town do in equal parts - verily, many a veteran townies count on a few sheep to push their agendas. Claims that most of what red has done can be explained 'with scum motivations'. Fails to elaborate or support this idea. Just throws it out there.RebirthOfLegenD - my weakest read - I'm really only interested in showing RoL rope if he doesn't start looking for scum. This redFF wagon essentially pushed itself, and he's making it his MISSION to make it happen. I don't even know if RoL thinks red is scum or not. But it's pretty clear that he wants red to die. TODAY. I can support a lynch of any of these three players, my preference is WBG, followed by BC, with RoL being my least favorite choice. Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Doc that this doesn't have to be a conspiracy thing - this is WBG's strategy regardless of his alignment as far as I'm aware - get someone flustered, see if they slip up (town)/call their reactions scummy (scum). However, taken with the rest of his play, I agree with you that he's probably scum trying to fluster you this game. Radfield was leading scum unlike I've seen a vet lead a scumteam before, and I've been on a few scumteams here. I probably wouldn't take those quotes to be 'general scum strategy' here...although, I haven't played with you enough to know if you're REALLY that dangerous or not.
I'm aware I haven't responded to your case against me - I'll get around to it. Please keep that in mind regardless of what you perceive my alignment to be...sound observation is sound. WBG is latching onto DocH's case without doing a thing himself. He's not even interested in my side, he hasn't asked questions, he's just throwing shit to see what sticks. Nothing is going to fucking stick. Because it's all bullshit. It's a bullshit case built on someone else's legwork who (no offense Doc) is probably just pissed that I had them fooled last game with my scum play. He's bouncing around, hoping someone somewhere will take what he's doing as effort, but I think most everyone here is smarter than that. ##Vote: wherebugsgoBang. Die scum.
Man I love this post. Why? Because it shows that you are basing the fact wbg is scum based on latching onto a case without doing a thing himself (i would disagree but hey to each their own). However, he does not actually follow through by analyzing other players of similar behaviour. Take prplhz for example. Lets take a gander at these fun quotes from
On February 28 2012 07:33 kitaman27 wrote:Here are my scum power rankings!(anything past 5 may be completely arbitrary) 1.) prplhz:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 03:38 prplhz wrote: What the fuck are you talking about. I complained about the redFF lynch and pushed the BloodyC0bbler lynch. Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 13:02 prplhz wrote: I pushed BloodyC0bbler around the time I said that so it's not true when you say that I didn't provide an alternative. On day one, prpl hard defends redff from the lynch, without providing an alternate candidate. He claims to have pushed the BC lynch. Lets take a closer look: Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 03:17 prplhz wrote: I think BloodyC0bbler is more scummy, but I think there might be better targets today that I'm more comfortable with. This is like Responsibility Mafia! where BloodyC0bbler was just gone, but he has been scummy so far. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 03:49 prplhz wrote: Since we have dropped the BloodyC0bbler lynch I think that Blazinghand is a good lynch for town, especially if I'm the alternative. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 03:54 prplhz wrote: If BloodyC0bbler is a possiblity then I'm more up for that than anything else. I'm a little unsure of him but he's a ton better than lynching me. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 03:56 prplhz wrote: Like, I think BloodyC0bbler is scummy but I'm always kinda unsure about my reads (because, allegedly, I'm bad). Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 05:24 prplhz wrote: I really doubt that BloodyC0bbler is going to attract enough votes don't you think there are other alternatives that are more likely to flip scum than redFF and more likely to pick up enough votes than BloodyC0bbler? Is this honestly what prpl considers pushing? A bunch of wishy-washy statements without providing any actual reasoning? He constantly brings up how bad he is as if he is trying to downplay his abilities. Now lets move on to day two: He starts off by voting RoL. Towards the end of the day he changes to blazing. His reasoning: Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 18:20 prplhz wrote: Going to vote Blazinghand. I don't see any reason to believe his claim.
##Vote: Blazinghand The entire game, the strongest reason prpl has believed someone to be scum is because of a Floridian claim. Not once does he even reference his actual posts or behavior. Looking back to day one, prpl was willing to defend red because the claim made sense to him. The next day, a similar claim is provided and he has no reason to believe it. The entire game prpl has responded poorly to pressure and would be a fine lynch candidate.
Take a gander at some of these posts where day 1 prplhz sheeps VE and syllogism, and day 3 we see prplhz sheeping VE yet again (posting his gem about burden of proof being on the accused) yet somehow VE has not looked at this player at all in a negative light? He called out someone originally based on that behaviour but it is only scummy on one player? Given the amount of times prpl has been called out / the times he has sheeped VE he would deff be someone VE should have been analyzing to at least some degree yet no public scum leaning? No discussion of his scummy behaviour? Very interesting and convenient don't you think?
Then we look at the entire premise of VE's posting on wbg today and it can be pretty well summed up with
On February 28 2012 10:46 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:VisceraEyes has looked scummy for a long time. His case on WBG is grasping at straws, especially the fact that you're pushing a player Day 3 based on loud posts Day 1? You didn't catch onto his question to syllo then? Here's how scum play often works: Scum 1: I need to push a bandwagon today so X doesn't get lynched Scum 2: WBG has been pretty spammy, changed his mind a lot, etc. he might be an easy candidate Scum 1: Hm, ok I'll make a post about it I'm still reading all the posts here but it seems like VE is criticizing WBG for buddying? On February 22 2012 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote: DocH I'm intrigued by your ideas and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Also this: On February 22 2012 16:42 VisceraEyes wrote: That was dangerously close to role-fishing syllo - the existance of one town-tracker doesn't preclude a second town-tracker. Am I missing something? "Role fishing" imo is one of those things that scum accuses other townies of doing it's supposed to be "Scummy" but in 5 or 6 games as scum I have never really done it or known any teammates to do it either, except in PM games where it's pretty easy and often town roles have a lot of incentive to rolefish On February 22 2012 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote: And BC is your strongest read right now Syllo? Like, without question?
Did you ever get around to looking at the whole WBG/chaoser thing sir? I feel like that exchange means something. chaoser's defense was solid, but I didn't mind WBG's attack either.
However, chaoser still seems to be interested in finding scum, while WBG has only recently been calling red scum...he's been tunneled in on chaoser ever since that argument.
I'm starting to get a red read on WBG. Is this really that different than what WBG did? It's cool Doc - join the VE wagon of failure then. If you can't see a marked difference in the vaguery that WBG asked Syllo and my questions to others in the game then I can't help you. He's scummily trying to skate by doing jack shit, and he deserves the rope today. If you think I fit that bill better, then you should vote for me. In fact, fuck it. Everyone should just vote for me and get it over with. I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong about WBG, but I'm certainly not wrong about myself - I'm town. If me dying clears up any confusion regarding WBG, then lynch the fuck out of me and then lynch the fuck out of WBG. I'm not defending myself when I'm doing everything I can to get scum lynched right now. No time.
Wow, we have a gem of you martyring and saying that you COULD BE WRONG OF WBG. WHY WOULD YOU EVER PUSH SOMEONE WHO IS NOT YOUR 100% RED TARGET. THIS IS BAD PLAY. If you think someone is anti town you call them out for it, but pushing someone who you have just admitted you could be wrong on yet you have posts like
On February 28 2012 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He didn't act like this at all in AC I don't recall him ever talking about WIFOM shit or trying to figure out how people would act based on alignment. Palmar claimed Toades' role and acted bonkers and Toades did nothing about it. Right now he's obsessed with totally inconclusive meta/wifom shit and is acting like a paranoid scum who can't stand the 1 vote on him. He's acting like the whole town is bandwagoning on him right now and instead he's defending VE and not pushing anyone as scum? What the fuck is this, lynch Toadesstern I mean, I would be down with a Toadesstern lynch, but I've played scum with Toad before. Toad has more confidence when scum start winning the game - he wouldn't be acting paranoid like this if he were on a winning scum-team. I refuse to believe it. In XLVII he fake-claimed medic and got "confirmed" as town, and he certainly acted the part. I don't see the same kind of play this game. Actually, now that you mention AC, I got this EXACT feeling from Toadesstern regarding the whole Palmar-rgShwortz-Toadesstern WIFOM Circle of Confusion. He was town in AC. So I mean, if you think he's a better lynch than WBG or myself, go for it - I'll be on WBG though, and I'm pretty sure WBG will be on me and we'll just have to deal with this tomorrow assuming we're both still alive.
This is also awesome for the bolded part. Why you ask? Because I have just shown that he is not confident in his opinion of wbg yet he refuses to move his vote elsewhere. He martyrs himself in one post then says I won't let up until he dies. VE's alignment says nothing about wbg goes alignment. Why? because arguments can be staged, people can be wrong, etc...
VE had admitted to having other scum reads, yet he refuses to move onto them. He martyrs himself as if it will actually prove a point about someone elses alignment which he knows it will not. He ignores obviously scumlike behaviour by other players who are guilty of the same behaviour he has called out other people for. He has sheep voted for no reason at all, and he has now out and out said he won't vote for anyone aside from bugs until we do what he says. This essentially means he won't help town unless we do what he says. Why would any townie do this? You can actively push a player and if town doesn't want to lynch him you can move onto another scum read while still pushing your original suspect. This is blatantly anti town.
Lynch VE or prpl, both are scum.
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On February 28 2012 14:14 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 01:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 01:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 24 2012 09:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 24 2012 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 09:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 24 2012 09:36 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote bloodyc0bbler Well, that didn't take much. I appreciate the effort BC. If your quality of posting stays at least close to the quality of your last post, I can entertain the possibility of lynching others first. What are your thoughts on WBG BC? at the moment an aggressive asshat who needs to shape up or ship out. By your estimation, how much "aggressive asshattery" is it going to take before he's no longer able to "shape up" enough and has to be "shipped out"? That's a really really wishywashy stance on someone who's active when you're largest gripe with RoL is his inactivity sir. RoL's biggest tell in near all games as red that I can recall is his activity level. He lurks and will bust out excuses as to why he was inactive but always appears when he has to (called out or to avoid being heavily suspected, etc..) whereas town he even when busy with life shite always has quality posts if inactive. As for how much it will take for wbg is similar to what I would expect what it will take for myself or RoL. IE contribute. I am overall fine with aggressive posting but aside from a few of his posts he has come off as someone attempting to avoid leaving a huge mark on the thread in solid opinions. He obviously has had some solid posts, but he has a ton of fluff ones as well. LOL holy shit. Scum much? You have played enough with me to know my play is erratic and that I have played plenty of games active as scum. Just because I was busy for 16 hours (get over it guys) doesn't mean you are going to get away with this shit when I am actually reading the thread. Helvetica you are scum, will get to that in a minute though. Your play is erratic only in terms of quality of your posts. Now and then you have things like work keeping you distracted or the like, but the level of posts you make are normally decent as town and lazyish as scum. If your telling me I am wrong on this, prove it to me. Til then your on my radar. Is RoL still on your radar BC? What do you think about his ragequit?
I believe he is still scum. I could see someone who had been playing super hard this game getting pissed off at people derping hard and rage quit after putting in tons of effort. However, RoL has done fucking nothing pro town. His ragequit seems more like "redff almost didn't get lynched for it, might as well try it myself" approach. Why you ask? Look at the posts since his ragequit. Near all of them were arguing between drh, toad, ve, and wbg about other people.
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On February 28 2012 12:32 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 12:31 kitaman27 wrote:On February 28 2012 12:15 wherebugsgo wrote: apparently this game revolves around Toad
everything that happens is because of Toad
all hail Toad
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On February 28 2012 14:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Don't you find it suspicious that he's basing his votes based on how it will affect peoples perceptions of his guilt and not who he thinks is scum? I've yet to see a bigger scumtell in this game then that post and the fact that he's using his time as a lynch candidate to defend VE instead is ridiculous.
He's defending VE further by claiming WBG is scum because WBG doesn't believe that both Toades and VE are town or something retarded like that. His play is so so so far away from what he was like in AC that I can't imagine he is town here too.
Prplhz is a player I have a hard time reading because when he goes on to make complicated posts I think a lot of meaning is lost in translation. Regardless, he's been on the opposite side of pretty much every conclusion I've come to. Toades is #1 for me today, I have a small amount of doubt considering VE, none of which I have with Toad.
I find him guilty, however as the host of AC and someone who read every post that game I can clearly state that toad was like the #8 mafia for their team. He has played incredibly badly and appears to be scummy as fuck and I could easily find posts that would display this (his recent behaviour excluded as its wtf as hell), but he did near exactly the same behaviour as town. As such my read on him is not as strong as my read on prpl and VE. My only doubts on toad are meta related which can be a terrrrrible reason, but VE and prpl both know not to do what they are doing and still are doing it. Both are actively not encouraging pro town atmospheres and in the case of prpl skirting by with sheep votes and buddying up to players agreeing with them to justify said votes.
I feel far more strongly about both of these than I do toad. Toad could very well flip mafia, but I think he could also flip town.
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