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On February 17 2012 12:40 slOosh wrote:You are getting defensive. I just wanted you to clarify a post. Now, how is your attitude so flip-floppy? Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:48 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 11:43 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:36 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 11:33 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:11 EchelonTee wrote: Gumshoe I think you're mafia. for that poll. Why in tarnations would you think that? Seriously though the purpose of the random ass poll was just to see if the mafia made one big decision or not, unfortunately less that 12 people out of the 15 voted so I cant say that they took any part in this vote, nor can I say that they didn't, what I can tell is that its highly likely that at some point around when town began to treat the poll as the sorta joke it seemed, and all voted the mafia option AGAINST my wishes(as I pretty much predicted), the mafia probably hoped on the happy train of cynicism to discredit the pole and not stand out. So this pole has been somewhat useful in showing that at least two or maybe even all four of the mafia are being active early on. Wether that information is useful or not you can decide for yourself, but you cant blame me for trying ) : I would like it if you divided your walls of text into paragraphs; it took me a few to fathom your post, when I realized you're not saying anything. K very simple To comment on this whole epic clash of wills between prolific posters, the poll was a goofy plan, I knew that, but if it worked it could have been useful and if it didn't It's illfated nature provided the perfect platform for a mafia players critique. A mafia player wants to seem useful while not actually being so, attacking something that seems blatantly useless is a perfect way for a mafia to look like he's contributing while not actually doing so. wanted to see if any voting patterns formed within the poll It was like a lynch simulator But less than 12 people have voted in the pole therefore any conjecture regarding any mafia patterns is at the moment useless. Because it's possible that none of the mafia voted given that town thinks the poll is stupid and just posted on it randomly or trolingly. Discredit it until theres twelve votes or just discredit it period if you so please. That is all. I'm not trying to offend you, or needlessly discredit you; your post was just hard to understand, and I did not quite understand the purpose of what you did. post however you please. as a random aside: Mafia gets heated, so if I'm acting like an asshole just let me know and I'll tone back. Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 12:21 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 12:20 slOosh wrote: No, because it was baseless. Instead, I tried to figure out what motive a townie might have by saying this in that manner. Calling out people 2~3 hours into the 48 hour day doesn't really make sense does it? Did I accuse you of being Mafia? don't twist my words. there a motives for both townie and scum to do so. Gumshoe does his weird poll thing, you ask if he could write his posts more legibly, and then take a very friendly stance of making sure no one is offended, asking for accountability etc. Now I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is how you shift your attitude so quickly. I assume the :D in the next quote indicates playfulness. Then just a few minutes later you lash out against me, clearly telling me what not to do - "don't twist my words"And that last line: "there are motives for both townie and scum to do so."That may be true but a townie would never think like that. If they did something that might be misconstrued as scummy, they would clarify themselves. They wouldn't say both mafia and town could have acted in the way they did. I was fine with your first post. But now you've earned my suspicion. ##FOS: EchelonTee
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To comment on this whole epic clash of wills between prolific posters, the poll was a goofy plan, I knew that, but if it worked it could have been useful and if it didn't It's illfated nature could provide the perfect platform for a mafia players critique.
A mafia player wants to seem useful while not actually being so, attacking something that seems blatantly useless is a perfect way for a mafia to look like he's contributing while not actually doing so.
That said I doubt that Ech would take this huge and obvious of a risk this early on(as he did) if he was maf, we still have tons of time, if Ech backs off we shall know if he's trying to hide after taking so much heat and therefore he's probably worried about an investigation or a lynch.
His only route is to keep being an aggressive poster and hopefully dig his way out of the ditch with some phoenix wright quality analysis.
I also really don't like Ech's controversial move of casting doubt on a specific player for not yet posting when there are several players still lurking. I don't care if you wanted to draw him out you could've just asked for his opinion on something.
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Early reports! All very preliminary but hopefully it'll give everyone an idea of where some townies stand and where some lurkers don't.
blae - absent but has an alibi(by alibi I mean he said before game that he would not be especially present day one)
Alderan - Absent no alibi
Ech - present but slightly suspicious ) :
Do you has - present has contributed somewhat(a single post against the word of Ech) no basis for suspicion
manner kiss- has presented himself but has not yet contributed to discussion. No basis for suspicion
steveling - is present has contributed to discussion does not seem suspicious.
track door - has made himself present has contributed somewhat to discussion no reason yet to suspect
midnight- is present has contributed , (is mean to me but rightfully so ) no reason to suspect as of yet
Sloosh - has contributed, acted out only to defend himself, does not seem suspicius
Janaan- is absent no alibi
tk hawakins- is absent no aibi
dimmuKlk- is absent no alibi
zell - is absent no alibi
jaj22 - is present, is also somewhat mean but justifiably so as far as I can tell, his negative tone is striking negative but not yet suspicion worthy.
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On February 17 2012 13:23 MidnightGladius wrote:gumshoe's posting seems pretty odd so far. I can imagine him not knowing that non-players could still vote in his poll, but the fact that he thinks that he can compare voting patterns in an anonymous, arbitrary poll with actual vote pattern analysis, coupled with his rather silly explanation for why the poll didn't work (lurking town players trolling en masse with mafia joining the "wagon"? Really?), doesn't seem right. Even if you don't think that there's anything substantive to discuss, there's no reason to fabricate something that isn't likely to help us at all. However, I don't really get the feeling that he's scum, just new. I don't want to make the same mistake I made last game, when I was certain that questionable Day 1 play by itself meant scum. EchelonTee, you shouldn't be so upset If you claim that your "he's posting the scum QT" threat was a joke, then you're expecting us to let you get away with saying anything you want, as long as you say that you're not being serious. Secondly, you claim that you never accused sl00sh of being mafia, but there's no denying that he would be posting in the scum QT if and only if he were truly mafia. You're not looking too friendly at the moment, and I have to wonder what might be on your mind. You've had some experience, so I expect better pro-town play from you. And I will be watching.
In an ideal world all town votes town, there are at least 11 town votes, if there are more than 15 votes we just discredit the pole and if there are votes between 12 and 15 we now know mafia probably participated in the vote if only to throw it off, now we can see if all the votes are green which means the mafia is organized right at the start of the game (because this post happened early on) think of it at the very least like a ghost reading, " Is there a spirit of a mafia in this room!" I know it all seems weird but its could be useful for telling how many mafia players are active at the start of the game and only at the start. Look if you think this is a stupid strat consider it dead, there were not 12 to 15 votes so it dosen't matter. Also someone openly said he just trolled my poll T T so some townies did in fact just en masse troll for funsies and who would come into a mafia thread at 10 oclock at night to vote on a poll that has no effect on their lives whatsoever? Also it makes perfect sense that mafia would mock a stupid strat once it was apparent it was stupid.
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Good night everyone, gl with the scum hunting(wake me up if someone accuses me or something)
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On February 18 2012 00:30 jaj22 wrote:MannerKiss:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 14:01 MannerKiss wrote:On February 17 2012 13:56 DoYouHas wrote: I want MannerKiss to chime in. Let those opinions fly! Who looks scummy to you and why? You for calling me out! Ok, I'm going to explain why you're acquiring suspicion, just in case you haven't figured it. Calling someone out is almost universally a pro-town action. Therefore your accusation is baseless. If you're town, please post some better-justified opinions as soon as possible. If you're scum, carry on as you are. Gumshoe:I'd dismiss Gumshoe as newbie-with-a-plan except for these points: 1. There was a rush of unclaimed mafia votes immediately after he posted, suggesting possible synchronised collusion. 2. He didn't vote town himself, at least not within 20 minutes of posting. Considering the wording of the post, that's stunningly hypocritical. On the other hand he's very active, so if he's scum he'll probably dig himself a deeper hole soon enough. EchelonTee vs SlOosh:Nothing too surprising here. EchelonTee posting like he just solo'd a game as scum (re: Normal Mini Mafia), SlOosh still a bit prone to confirmation bias. They're both looking ok to me so far. Zelblade:Read your own post, then follow your own advice. This game takes what, 10 minutes to read so far? Accuse someone. Anyone. We're not looking for 50 line cases here. This goes for Trackd00r too, although this is his first game so I'm going to be nicer to him. Steveling:Ok, it's partly my fault that you've made four posts with zero suspicions, but this cannot go on trackd00rSo you've been keeping an eye on the players from Newbie Mini III. What do you think of them so far? Alright i think its time to clarify the real purpose of the poll, i just expected everyone to vote town, than than i would vote mafia and ask which troll said they were mafia but are actually town (because it seemed obvius that everyone would vote town) i was hoping someone would say they were the troll, which would mean they were a townie if they had actually trolled, but because i was the one who voted mafia i would end just making a note of the people claiming to be the troll, the plan didnt pan out because everyone voted mafia. Basicaly i went fishing and the fish told me to f off.
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Also the votes were quick but very chaotic and there were more than four votes and less than 12 votes so it may very well be that it was only townies had voted, hell it may have been just tl posters voting but that seens unlikely considering that the vot went up at around 10 oclock, also manner kiss how is it that you know i- didnt vote on it? Ive never used a poll before so im not sure but i always thought they were compleltey anonomous that was the whole point in fact.
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On February 18 2012 01:03 jaj22 wrote: Oh yeah, I know you didn't vote town on the poll because I was the only town vote at 9-1.
Well thats irony, thats how exactly how i was gonna try and catch someone
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As of now i really dont get any bad vibes from him,but i didnt really expect to suspect anyone this early in the game, that said gladus first posts explain the odds distribution in the game in a refined but obvius way, his other post was ano obvius but not hostile critique of my poll( the poll was also meant to garner hostile potentialy opotunity seeking mafia responses but his response was just polite and reasonay dismissive) he has not provided ano opinion on lynching lurlers
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He has commented on ech and sloosh but only to suggest that they (more specifcaly ech) calm down, his responses are tame. He has seen no reason to take any big risks. Wether or not thats becuase hes trying to be a reasonable townie (as is most likely) or becuase hes trying to hide in plain site. I leave that up to you decide. I for one do not yet reason to doubt him.
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On February 18 2012 01:22 blae000 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 01:08 gumshoe wrote:On February 18 2012 01:03 jaj22 wrote: Oh yeah, I know you didn't vote town on the poll because I was the only town vote at 9-1.
Well thats irony, thats how exactly how i was gonna try and catch someone Yeah! I dont really know what to read from that. So basically he _was_ the 'odd one out', until others started to vote town as well. Then again, it might have been all observers voting to troll us. Either way, to tell who is lying or not from a click in the poll isnt the best way to go. So the faster we forget the poll, the better. We need to get the rest talking, so we can see who acts suspicious and find the scum that way. I'll go back and re-read some stuff for now. I was in a bit of a hurry earlier. I agree with blae, the poll was a risk and it didnt pan out but it did yield soem interesting conversation. In a little while im going to post about whereeveryone stands on the four major conflicts so far, first though - gotta go walk a dog(my equivalent of bowling)
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On February 18 2012 01:59 trackd00r wrote:Ok, so I've been reading the thread for a while and taken a look to the filters. @jaj22: Regarding in the comparison of those four players in NMM3, Their metagame has been similar so far, with a very few exceptions: -Sloosh has been very aggressive against EcheleonTea after he made an indirect scum claim (not sure if he was kidding still). The discussion lasted quite a bit with lots of attacks against each other. I'm not missing that attitude from sloosh, but I still expect more from him as town, by pulling off cases and encouraging everyone to participate, opposed to pick off a single target and turning it into a semi-heated talk. Helping us by posting the filters (thanks btw) and giving some general advice is nice to hear, but that fight left me with a little drop of doubt. Anyways, I somewhat understand that he was trying to defend from the first claim and in that case, it's the right thing to do. Looking good. -DoyouHas seems to be pointing the town to the right direction: taking the confidence to be the first to post (BUT last newbie mafia the first poster turned to be scum, with the difference that it was just fluff), gathering information and making his stand clear to everyone. Seems very pro town from me, the same way he did it in NMM3. -MidnightGladius has somewhat posted in the begging of the game. However, he does still have that flaw present in the past game, which is to make useless calculations and proportions about the mafia/town ratio. I feel that doesn't really contributes much to the dialogue. His next post have been better though, analyzing and commenting about the Echelon-sloosh clash and the not that succesful plan of gumshoe. I hope he keeps like that. Important to mention that those 3 players had blue roles in NMM3, so looking through their posts in the next days can make a clearer picture of them and their attitude to everything in general. -Zelbalde has only posted once, giving advice to us and apologizing. This was his biggest flaw last game. We know that you are a busy person zelblade, but posting just once is fine, instead of refilling your posts with more 'sorry' and making you either difficult to read or a scum candidate. Well, that's all regarding the past players, but of course we need to take look to the rest... Gumshoe did not had the best start ever in a mafia game. That first post was just flashy and not very elaborated. As Echelon said, it could be interpreted as an attempt to derail the discussion. This thing drew my attention quite a bit: + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On February 17 2012 11:36 EchelonTee wrote: Show nested quote +
I would like it if you divided your walls of text into paragraphs; it took me a few to fathom your post, when I realized you're not saying anything. K very simple I wanted to see if any voting patterns formed within the poll It was like a lynch simulator But less than 12 people have voted in the pole therefore any conjecture regarding any mafia patterns is at the moment useless. Because it's possible that none of the mafia voted given that town thinks the poll is stupid and just posted on it randomly or trolingly. Discredit it until theres twelve votes or just discredit it period if you so please. That is all. That ridiculously excessive action regarding to divide your text into paragraphs makes you look fell very uncomfortable and desperate to get out of that situation. I'll take your plan as a newbie mistake, but that last post can draw suspicion... In my opinion, we should take a look at Steveling posts: + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On February 17 2012 10:50 gumshoe wrote: Hi everybody! Im the friendly neighbourhood gum on your shoe! Today I come to you with a plan that'll hopefully shed some light on the certainly vile nature of the scum infesting our sacred house...OF GAMBLING! The plan is a simple anonymous poll asking wether your a townie or a scumie. Now in the case of the townie there is no risk whatsoever in voting townie, on acounta a) you are a townie and b) no one can say otherwise cause your voting anonymously. In fact I very much so ask that you don't say which one your voting for or wether or not your even voting at all. All I ask is that if you're a townie vote townie, or don't vote, please don't troll and say your mafia I REPEAT NO TOWNIES VOTE MAFIA, IT SHALL BE THE END OF US ALL!!!!!! This only works if all the townies voting vote townie so please do so if your a townie. If your mafia feel free to vote as well, in fact the whole purpose of this exercise is to see if you as a group abstain from voting, vote as you please, or all vote townie. This is an experiment to study the mafia and I promise to only do this once, so whata ya say newcomers! Watcha gonna be? I'd just likely to repeat one last time there is ABSOLUTELY no way I or anyone else can ascertain your alignment through this vote, so please give it a shot, it might very well teach us something useful.
Poll: Anonymous vote: are YOU mafia?
Mafioso (16) 80%
Townie (4) 20%
20 total votes Your vote: Anonymous vote: are YOU mafia?
(Vote): Townie (Vote): Mafioso
I loled soo hard reading this. As for me, I played one more game of mafia, but it was the biggest fail human kind has ever witnessed. There were 80 players in it, and it ended with the scum offering a draw, cause the city was that bad, T_T. I was a towny needless to say. Here's the link, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690I think I'm with jaj on the lurker lynching. Since unless some serious slips happen it's our best bet for scumhunt. + Show Spoiler +On February 17 2012 11:25 jaj22 wrote: + Show Spoiler + @Gumshoe: Did you get some RL buddies to spam your own vote, just in case it was accidentally useful?
@Steveling: I see you lynched Palmar on your first day. Not the greatest start to a mafia career. Fortunately we don't have any awesome scumhunting veterans in this game. Or mayors.
Yeah, that was ...unfortunate, Q_Q. But, I did have the best scumreads based on clues in that game. Well that was all I could do so I spent a lot of time into these. Also in my defense all the towny veterans where cockfighting each other so it was impossible for a newbie to tell who was what. + Show Spoiler +On February 17 2012 11:55 gumshoe wrote: Show nested quote + + Show Spoiler +
I apologize as well. This was just a random shot to start off the night, I mean theres really nothing to discuss until something happens and it beats just randomly accusing people, but ill try not to do something like this again... for this game at least!
Just an idea, if you want this to work in future games, I think you need to post a clarifying post before the poll-post, something like a preemptive strike, so you get full cooperation from townies and state the purpose. For example, I voted scum on the poll before I even read it just to troll, T_T. There is barely anything helpful on those posts. Not really contributing . I expect you to post more or my suspicion to you will rise. That's it for the moment. I'll be checking again the thread in a couple of hours. My absence in the past is just sleeping. As may notice, my time is roughly the same as EST, so I'll be up for deadlines and lynches. And sorry for the bad formatting @ spoilers >.< I'll PM a mod later so I get some help lol
The poll wasn't supposed to do what it seemed like. It was to bait fluffy responses and harsh accusations, which it did,also there was more to the poll if it actually work but that was as I said a shot in the dark.
I apologize if I derailed non existent conversation,the poll didn't work but it yielded as i said some interesting responses. You have every right to be suspicious of me, I took a risk and it didn't pay off , but anymore discussion directed towards a failed plan is just as derailing the plan itself. Another "gumshoe is definitely not a noob but mafia because of x comment" is that big of a contribution and can easily be seen as a way of continuing a doomed topic of conversation.
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On February 18 2012 02:06 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 01:22 blae000 wrote: Either way, to tell who is lying or not from a click in the poll isnt the best way to go.
I'm not sure you're reading this properly. After being caught out, Gumshoe has admitted to substantial dishonesty through his early posts, including one that he doublespaced for EchelonTee. If what you're looking for is liars, we have a confirmed one already. The only reason I haven't voted him is that players who make this sort of ridiculous and dishonest plan in newbie games have a nasty habit of flipping town.
I thought this was the liar game!( manga reference for the win!) I know it wasn't right to admit I lied, if i lie its better to just stick with it considering you didn't really have any proof that i didn't vote townie just your word, and i could just say I voted late by accident , the reason the told the truth is because I felt that I had to own up the big blunder I caused. I felt that by clearing it all up I could help us move on from this discussion.
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On February 18 2012 02:55 Alderan wrote:I know I said I didn't want us to get sucked into this poll nonsense but these are all quotes from gumshoe's filter.... Show nested quote + Seriously though the purpose of the random ass poll was just to see if the mafia made one big decision or not Show nested quote + clarify the real purpose of the poll, i just expected everyone to vote town, than than i would vote mafia and ask which troll said they were mafia but are actually town Show nested quote +It was to bait fluffy responses and harsh accusations, which it did,also there was more to the poll if it actually work but that was as I said a shot in the dark So uhh.... what's the purpose of this poll?
All of the above in order,
if the vote turned out to be 11/4 i would just remark that the mafia is organized at the beginning of the game and surprisingly honest despite this being an anonymous vote.
if the vote turned out to be 14 town I would vote mafia and try to find someone looking for an easy way to prove thier town.
if the vote didn't work at all I would just discredit it and wait and see who tried to keep dwelling on it, who would keep talking about how ridicules it was and who would keep saying its a scum post.
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On February 18 2012 02:55 slOosh wrote:Gumshoe, (and anyone else for that matter) please don't lie. Ever.Especially in a newbie game, we can't have people lying as it destroys town's ability to find mafia. Now, everyone has posted, so it is a matter of differentiating who is trying to contribute vs who is just trying to look like they contribute. Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 17:11 Janaan wrote: 2. The bout between Sloosh and EchelonTee. I'm seeing Sloosh using a hint of WIFOM reasoning, but not enough for me to call it scummy action. I will keep my eye on him, though. As far as EchelonTee goes, I actually follow his reasoning pretty well, he does seem to be getting a bit defensive, though.
Can you clarify your stance on us? Do you think I'm suspicious? You say you follow ET's reasoning well but it doesn't seem that you think he is town either? What are your thoughts on us?
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On February 18 2012 03:06 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 03:03 gumshoe wrote:On February 18 2012 02:55 Alderan wrote:I know I said I didn't want us to get sucked into this poll nonsense but these are all quotes from gumshoe's filter.... Seriously though the purpose of the random ass poll was just to see if the mafia made one big decision or not clarify the real purpose of the poll, i just expected everyone to vote town, than than i would vote mafia and ask which troll said they were mafia but are actually town It was to bait fluffy responses and harsh accusations, which it did,also there was more to the poll if it actually work but that was as I said a shot in the dark So uhh.... what's the purpose of this poll? All of the above in order, if the vote turned out to be 11/4 i would just remark that the mafia is organized at the beginning of the game and surprisingly honest despite this being an anonymous vote. if the vote turned out to be 14 town I would vote mafia and try to find someone looking for an easy way to prove thier town. if the vote didn't work at all I would just discredit it and wait and see who tried to keep dwelling on it, who would keep talking about how ridicules it was and who would keep saying its a scum post. I had no issue with the poll. What I did have an issue with is that as you gained more and more attention, and were catching more and more heat for the post, your explanation gradually changed to something that you thought we would want to hear.
All I did was reveal more of my intentions as the subject grabbed more attention. I never said what you wanted me to say I just told bits and pieces of a big risky move that I did think through but never expected to garner this much attention, eventually I revealed to you guys I lied at the start. Thats not something you want to hear, you don't want to hear that you have a loose cannon untrustworthy active town, you wanna hear that he's mafia and making a stupid attempt at disrupting discussion. I didn't admit I was lying because it was what you guys wanted to hear, I admitted it because I had started this mess and I had to try and salvage it despite the further blow it would do to my credibility.
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Im not accusing anyone of inactivity or anything just pointing out where we stand on several key issues
Lynching: This is a very important topic given the nature of the rules in this particular game, there is one plus mafia so it seems almost foolish to not lynch. That said rash decisions can only hurt us and we have extra blues so if we take a hit one day were certain to get definitive evidence the next. As it stands though I think we can only afford one no lynch f any at all.Heres where denizens stand or don't stand on the issue.
if no definite scum lynch lurkers - Ech- Steveling - Zelblade - jaj22
if no definite scum probably shouldn't lynch - DoYouHas (he mentioned if we have to we can but he seems generally opposed to the idea of carelessly lynching)- TKHawkins
no stance - Bleae- Alderaan- Manner Kiss(has not contributed one bloody thing to discussion and where over twelve hours in game, has provided no alibi, I am fully accusing this guy of inactivity, he needs to step up right now)- Trakdoor- MidnightGladius- sloosh- jannan- DimmuKlok
6 of the 15 of us have commented on lynching lurkers, 4 say yes 2 say no. The vote is fast approaching I suggest we all form an opinion in advance on wether or not we want to lynch a lurker day one. This is a good opportunity to get everyones opinion on a very much relevant topic so don't be shy.
more stances coming soon.
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Ok I did accuse Manner Kiss. Hopefully he finally comes out to play
FOS: Manner Kiss
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Now for stance number two! This ones about the lovely poll!
Unlike the topic of lynching lurkers, nearly everyone( with the exception of manner kiss and a few other lurkers) has stated an opinion on this matter, heres the breakdown of where everyone stands. Fore warning I'm a lot less objective here so take my opinions as you will.
Thinks I'm the nubbiest of noobs:
Blae(not much to say, just seems like he wants to move on from the poll which isn't really what a mafia would want)
Janan (just disregarded my poll and moved on, not very suspicious behaviour)
Steveling( hasn't commented to much, posted rather jokingly in response to my poll... Almost as if he wasn't worried about the prospect of me being mafia... Steve needs to post more.)
Midnight Gladius (didn't think I was mafia, not a suprise gladius dosent seem to take many risks)
TKHawkins( hasn't said much)
Thinks I'm mafia:
Echelon Tee(aggressively claimed I was mafia, which seemed almost too risky of a move for an actual mafia)
Trackdoor(seemed more than just suspicious of me, he pointed out things that could have just as easily been said if he was openly accusing me like Ech, which leads me to believe he was trying to draw attention to me without catching as much heat as Ech, I actually trust him less than ech but I wouldn't be willing to commit to that suspicion because he hasn't really said that much yet.)
Thinks I'm a bit suspicius:
Alderan(seems pretty constructively suspicious though, no big reason to suspect him)
DoYouHas (didn't openly comment on the poll but suggested at one point to Manner that it and I were perhaps suspicion worthy, I don't see a reason to suspect him)
Sloosh( Sloosh seems to be open to all possibilities which I respect about him so far, he wont take a huge risk unless he's 80 percent sure of something or he's being threatened(read ech vs sloosh).) He's more interested in building up a useful town atmosphere than anything else it seems, several of his contributions include players filters, analysis and opinions provided for almost every topic thats come up so far, and also he made the plea that our town should be completely honest with one another( a good step away from the chaos that several confrontations have caused). If he turns out to be mafia I for one will take a sizable moral hit.
Jaj22( also wants to keep options open and doesn't rush to conclusions, but has a much darker play style than Sloosh. That said I think he's just trying to put on a lot of pressure where he think the dam might leak. 70 percent chance he's town I think)
No opinion on poll:
Zellblade (hasn't posted much and his one post felt very generically constructive, take that as you will.)
Manner kiss(still no alibi)
DimmuKlok (hasn't posted much)
HAlO VOICE: Three lurkers remaining!
Oh and as for people who though my poll was a great, helpful and constructive idea?:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So preliminary findings form all this?
5 in favour of me being a noob, 4 in favour of me being suspicious, 2 in favour of me being mafia.
other general conclusions? 12 players have spoken out about my pole meaning one of the above is mafia.
Trap door seems a bit hostile but unwilling to commit to any accusations ) :
Steve's post seems a bit off and hasn't posted much
These are all just my observations, take them with an avalanche of salt if you wish.
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On February 18 2012 04:38 MidnightGladius wrote: gumshoe, I am having a really hard time reading your intentions, because you've basically done everything that the beginner's guides warn against: lying, posting lists without much content, derailing the thread, and making unclear points. If you're going to continue doing this, it's going to make the game a huge headache for the town. I don't think that you're mafia, but please look over the guides, and try to post more productively.
On the topic of lynching or not: there is no reason not to lynch Day 1. It is the most reliable way for the town to go forward, as we can then begin looking at voting patterns and doing behavioral analysis. If we don't lynch, we're in basically the same spot during Day 2, except with one fewer innocent player.
As to who we lynch, I say that we put pressure on lurkers and threaten them with a lynch if they don't contribute. It establishes a basic precedent on the quality of content that we expect out of certain players, and then we can take their future posts and make some contrasts. The common argument against lynching a lurker is that mafia will only have to pretend to contribute, or stay just above the least active players. I say that that's fully acceptable, as both of those behaviors will be red flags in the days to come, especially if the town keeps up and stays consistent with activity levels.
With that said, I'm going to put my vote on MannerKiss. He has done nothing for us.
MannerKiss, here's your opportunity to show us that you have an interest in helping us win this game. Who is your #1 target so far?
##Vote: MannerKiss
I agree with you Gladius, on all accounts, but my problem with all your suggestions is their so easy. Need to put pressure on someone? Look to the guy who messed up at the start of the game. Should we or shouldn't we lynch? Of course we should! It'd be foolish not too. Who do we lynch? how about the guy everyone hates and has not contributed whatsoever? As suspicious as I am of manner he could very well be just a disillusioned townie who really doesn't want to play a game in which he has no power, which is mega unlikely but still possible. As chaotic as my play is yours seems almost too by the book. You almost seem like a Damon Gant just waiting to burst out in a fit of demonic fire/lightning and ferocious claps!
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On February 18 2012 04:44 DoYouHas wrote: Gumshoe, I would like it if you would start taking stances on players. You have cluttered the thread with talk about a useless poll (and yes it IS useless, it does not matter what it could have been). The only posts that I have found useful of yours are the two on MidnightGladius. I did not need a clarification on people's stances on lynching lurkers, I have read the thread. Your early list was largely contentless and just took up space in my opinion. I want you to start talking in specifics. Taking the wide view isn't a bad thing, you just need to bring up something that doesn't look obvious when you post like that.
I prefer lists, if you want something specific ask me, you got the useful information out of me because I was asked. So if you want something specific I'll oblige you otherwise I'll continue to take the wide view until a new issue comes up thats worth confronting directly.
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