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On February 10 2012 11:55 TheToast wrote: Sentinel if you are truely town get your vote the fuck off Nisani. He's a terrible town, not scum.
you sure? pushed Sentinel rly hard and hasn't done much else. irritatingly enough I can't distinguish scum lurking from weirdtownplay lurking
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BF: Doesn't think Bluelightz is scum.
Bluelightz: Opinion on BF: Suspicious-->Green--> Suspicious-->Green.
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On February 10 2012 14:21 Nisani201 wrote: If there is another vigilante, you need to shoot someone. I don't care who it is; we need information. Even I'm willing to die if it will further my case against Sentinel/BaronFel
you're saying sentinel is fakeclaiming?
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On February 11 2012 03:49 TheToast wrote: You have to be the single worst town player in the history of this game.
Reading through stuff posted since I was last here. Toast this comment is really, really not necessary.
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On February 11 2012 08:45 Bluelightz wrote: Am here, can anyone give me a heads up on what are we discussing?
pick 2 out of the 3 to be scum: you bluelightz bf
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err I derped up that post. meant to put you nisani bf
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On February 11 2012 07:15 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 06:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think Baron is definitely scum and that is who I will vote for if I survive.
Bluelightz I have an FoS on but I'm not 100% convinced.
Nisani I'll hold as neutral until he comes back and swings that either way. Here's the thing. BaronFel is one person that Bluelightz has been after this whole game. Bluelightz called out BaronFel night 1, Day 2, and Day 3 he wrote a whole big thing about Baron being scummy. So if BaronFel is scum, where does that leave Bluelightz?
I disagree; Bluelightz has flip flopped on BaronFel constantly. They have been "conversing" in thread; bluelightz posts suspicion, BF posts something that in no way clears him, then bluelightz says "oh ok I think he's green now". That is not at ALL bluelightz being after BF all game. it's scum interaction.
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On February 11 2012 05:43 TheToast wrote:Wait a minute. @ 15 minutes to go on Day 3, I put my vote on Sentinel giving the 4th one needed for majority. Then this happened: Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 11:47 EchelonTee wrote: Sentinel didn't you say you had a "final defense"? or something? was that it? Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 11:49 EchelonTee wrote: what happens if no one has a majority?
##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel ##Vote: No Lynch Why did you wait until I put my vote on Sentinel to unvote him? If you thought there was a chance he was town, why did you have your vote on him?
I was waiting to see if anyone would jump onto him out of the blue (read:bandwagon) to try and force his lynch. You should be able to tell that I wasn't putting my full weight behind his lynch. I unvoted him when it looked like he was on the railroad to be hung.
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I disagree with some of your logic toast, but I'll get to it later. doesn't rly matter because I agree with your reads, anyways.
conclusion; 1. lynch bf 2. lynch bluelightz/nisani 3. destroy chaos once and for all 4. ??? 5. profit
I got practice, may or may not be back before the deadline.
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hmm, Tainted Medic? That's interesting. I remember someone inferring that we had only one tainted. Just a small thing.
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Some notes I have on Baron.
On February 03 2012 09:39 BaronFel wrote: I agree with Vilonis, I think it's a bit early to start calling people out for "bandwagoning". It's the first turn and we're all trying to get a feel for how each other posts etc.
1.Minor, but the only flag I had on him early. Buddying himself to Vilonis, the soon to be dead gay; it's a subtle way of trying to gain town cred.
On February 04 2012 09:16 BaronFel wrote: After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game.
On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote:Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more.
2. Not going to overblow noobiness factor here, but it still stands; being really apologetic when it's not necessarily needed, as lots of people had been lurking all game. being scum confers a sense guilt to the newbie.
On February 10 2012 11:42 BaronFel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If the act in itself may not be suspicious, what made you more suspicious of him? Can you get more text-wally, maybe write a bigger post on him, and I don't necessarily mean post-by-post-analysis, but try to make this "feeling", this "take on it" that you have more understandable to other townies. I don't mean the act is not suspicious, I mean that by itself it wouldn't necessarily make me jump out and say "SCUM!". For example, getting life insurance for your wife isn't suspicious. Getting it before your wife mysteriously dies is type of deal (not to that extreme though in this instance). What's been said about Nisani has been my feeling. He doesn't post his reasoning very often, yet still does a lot of accusations. (Of course, he only just recently posted a big analysis, which really just him accusing sentinel of fluff (ironic) and voting for the two town lynches (which a majority of us obviously had to...)) What is your take on the night hits so far? Vilonis night1, mderg night2, why didn't they hit TheToast or EchelonTee or you or me? How do you think TheToast and EchelonTee has acted today? What is your "feeling" and "take" on them? I'm not really sure I can give anything amazing in terms of why Vilonis and mderg were killed. They were both pretty logical and weren't talking a huge amount, that's probably as good as any explanation. As for why they didn't hit others, not sure either. It would just be speculation and couldn't really be used in an argument for or against anyone. TheToast has posted a lot (which is considered a good thing as shown by me being voted and him not) and has been pretty logical, although sometime's aggressive in his beliefs. I really have no real reason to think he's scum at all. Echelon is also somewhat aggressive in his approach, but he also calls out everyone (similar to you) in their arguments (his last few posts he's counter argued me, nisani, bluelightz, and a bit to you). I am leaning town with him as well.
3. This post has~15 moderate-long sentences, and manages to say "i scumhunt with my feeling" and "i think active posters are green". prplhz asks for more content from BF, so he attempts to stretche out the minisicule substance he had available. would u like some lurking with that fluff?
On February 11 2012 10:22 BaronFel wrote:Show nested quote + He then turns his attention to Nisani, basically saying he thinks Nisani is sketchy because he doesn't explain his posts well enough. When he elaborates though, there is something very strange in his post:
Ummmmm.... whose us?
No, really, whose us?
Um.... "us" is the town's majority argument... At the time of writing, he was the primary suspect (from what I could tell, most people were either outright voting him, or analyzing/going through his filter). "Our" argument was that he was scum, and we gave reasons for this. His argument against "us" is that he was not, and he gave his own reasons. If it was in a defense, such as me defending his claim of me being scum, then perhaps that could be a telling slip as the context would be me trying to prove I'm not mafia (unless there were multiple people also trying to defend me, in which case it could apply to our combined defense). That paragraph, however, was me accusing Nisani, meaning everyone on "my" side were the people that also felt the same way (that nisani was suspicious/scum). 4. are scum slips real? maybe the fairy godmother made my wish come true.
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OMFG
I wrote "soon to be dead gay" instead of "soon to be dead guy".
I swear I'm not a homophobe -.-
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Comments on Toast's analysis
On February 11 2012 04:46 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 09:16 BaronFel wrote: After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game.
##Unvote: Sinensis
I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...
##Vote: Timeaisis
For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). Here's something I mentioned before. ET in his analysis called out Time for playing the "I'm new" card too much. After a quick peek at Time's filter I realized that he had only mentioned this twice at the extreme start of the game. The word "new" only appears once in Time's filter before ET called him out. I called out ET about this one Day 2, and ET has since admitted that his analysis was bad. For Baron to have picked up on this, he must have just been copying exactly what ET had written without any checking Time's filter for himself (as checking would have led him to the same conclusion as I reached, that ET's reasoning was bad). VERY interesting that Baron was just repeating exactly what ET was saying, without mentioning that it was ET who said it. It seems the natural comment would be "I agree with ET about Time playing the I'm new card too much". To frame it the way he does makes it sound like he came up with this reasoning, almost like he is trying to encourage a bandwagon.
1.sigh... still on my Timeaisis analysis; I pointed out three instances. whatever. I think something that you didn't quite consider, is that simply the fact that he is agreeing with EXACTLY what I said is the scummy part. Not exactly that he didn't mention my name. Passing off the analysis as his own would put more responsibility on him.
On February 11 2012 04:46 TheToast wrote:Day 2 Baron brings the comment back up: Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote:Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more. If you want my opinion, I was looking at prplhz after the time vote, but he was pretty logical and caught on to sinani so I have no real reason not to believe he isn't the vig. I don't have a real big opinion on you, and it seems you don't either if you're just accusing me of lurking Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD) ##Vote: Sinensis If he is mafia, why bring the comment back up? It was ignored, by bringing it back up he would only risk drawing greater attention to himself. His reasoning against Sinesis seems okay, and he is continuing the same line of thought he had Day 1 and Night 1. He then turns his attention to Nisani, basically saying he thinks Nisani is sketchy because he doesn't explain his posts well enough. When he elaborates though, there is something very strange in his post: 2.Baron posted somewhere that he brought the comment back up because he didn't want to make it seem like he was ignoring a jab at him. Both town and scum would have reason to do this; Mafia would do this because they don't want a loose end being used to tunnel/incriminate them later.
On February 11 2012 04:46 TheToast wrote:Also interesting is how he dodged the question about the night 1 and 2 hits: Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 11:42 BaronFel wrote:What is your take on the night hits so far? Vilonis night1, mderg night2, why didn't they hit TheToast or EchelonTee or you or me? How do you think TheToast and EchelonTee has acted today? What is your "feeling" and "take" on them? I'm not really sure I can give anything amazing in terms of why Vilonis and mderg were killed. They were both pretty logical and weren't talking a huge amount, that's probably as good as any explanation. As for why they didn't hit others, not sure either. It would just be speculation and couldn't really be used in an argument for or against anyone. He's quick to cover his ass here. Couldn't be used in an argument against anyone? If you can come up with a good theory as to why these two were killed I bet it could be used... If I had to guess V and mderg got killed as suspected blues. BF's statement here about the two not talking much is interesting, it's in the best interest of the town for blues to lay low. All in all, I'm not 100% about Baron right now, but he is looking like a really good suspect. I'd love to hear his defense about the "us" comment... 3.I agree BF is covering his ass here with a vague answer, but you're approaching the use of flips sub-optimally. Example: I thought they were killed because they were sensible speakers who looked obviously townie. You and I disagree on this; is it worth the time for us to argue about it? No one can actually know why NK happened until the gdam post-game, but we CAN look at what people posted after we know their alignment, as their information we will know to be unbiased, alignment wise.
I'm not trying to discredit your analysis, just tying up what are imo loose ends. case is already well grounded.
##Vote: BaronFel
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I feel stronger on Bluelightz, but there's more consensus on BF.
opinions?
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On February 12 2012 12:14 TheToast wrote: I also pointed out the differences in Bluelightz posting in purgatory, I believe prplhz you were the one who told me that I was wrong? What changed?
I also disagreed with your meta analysis earlier; the continued list posting is common in both this game and purgatory, so I disagreed with that as a tell. But you were onto something when you said in purgatory he actively defended himself; he has hardly defended himself at all when he started to get under heavier preasure. I tell him straight up: we're lynching you, bluelightz, and baronfel. And his response is oh umm... lynch BF and bluelightz first please? -.-
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did it again. meant to say "we're lynching you, nisani, baronfel"
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gud shiz.
you really think BF would go out voting his teammate?
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wooooot I finally ate a bullet, good shit.
in time for the 1k post
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Imperial Stormtrooper
glad you have reading comprehension this time
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