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On January 24 2012 16:54 flamewheel wrote: AMERICA fuck yeah also coheed link? man, brings back memories. I saw them live @ Bogart's like 10 years ago! | ||
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chainsaw? idk my role yet, so it's impossible! | ||
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On February 06 2012 14:30 Kenpachi wrote: oh shit i forgot to say im townie vanilla too. pretty lame ... selfish motivated, however What do you gain from doing this, as mafia? Becoming clear town? This play is riddled with WIFOM, isn't it? | ||
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However, there is another side to WIFOM, but are both glasses poisoned? | ||
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Sheth, I was calling the claim weak, brother. You are in no way weak. | ||
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1) kenpachi is lying - not protown 2) kenpachi isn't lying and is expendable (he's just a townie) - not protown to out d1, better than lynching a detective 3) kenpachi is mafia - not protown I'm leaning towards 3 due to his paper-thin counter vote on rgtheschworz with 0 reasoning other than LOL I CAUGHT U IT WAS A TARP!!!!!!!!1!. I was leaning town on him until that action. There isn't a whole lot to go on, so far, so this is still definitely only semi-serious... Another reason for this vote is so that we don't out a blue role. Let's go ahead and chalk up some hypocrisy, wifom, and omgus in his play as well... holy non-rvs vote, batman ##vote: kenpachi | ||
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I have to read from where I posted last, but I don't know if I will be able to at the moment | ||
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I am definitely into A, and somewhat into B I saw some fluffy suspicions of Tunkeg, but I was really liking his layabout case, myself I have not caught up, but I expect to be able to read the thread right now. I just wanted to let you all know I was here, because you all are cool, and I'll be fielding questions | ||
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half of the game having the names of their own makes it hard for scum to roll with that we would have a lot of potential 1-1 lynches, could coordinate our night actions more, and would probably win in a landslide (but that's reason to lynch me, right?) if it's reason for dissent, it probably came from mafia, or people who didn't understand what i was suggesting | ||
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if you are not green, and not mafia, you are a power role, right? i guess not all 16 have to be in the game... anyways, im going to officially claim that i am not a townie | ||
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instead of our units shooting one another we potentially have more kp than the mafia, and batman might help us nab hugo massclaiming is a good idea, even if i originally just meant nameclaiming, i'm starting to believe *dont stop.. believin'* | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:13 Tunkeg wrote: WTF do you want to achieve by this? If you aren't scum you got a big crosshair on you, and if you aren't third party you will soon enough die at night. I can not see a scenario where this will benefit town. More so we as a town don't get any smarter by this, you aren't confirmed in any way you just confuse us by doing so. hahaha, tunkeg, my boy, sit down and watch the pro at work there is this thing called having your medics protect different people (like me!) there is a thing called coordinating your vigilantes so they dont hit the same people there is a thing called a detective check if we massclaim (and im trying to get you all to see we should) we actually will have more KP than the mafia, + lynch and batman... how is that bad? i ALREADY have a giant crosshair on me, furthermore. I would be killed off just as easily as someone like Radfield, due to my scumhunting prowess later in the game via votecounting analysis. | ||
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I AM A POWER ROLE | ||
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on page 13 @ico, I suggested a mass nameclaim, truly, not a massclaim in that sense I wanted to do so only because Kenpachi claimed that way I completely support a policy lynch on him to get him to quit claiming townie like that. I used to do that, and it is in no way helpful. You can do it as the GF as easily as you can being really townie. If we're not policy lynching him RIGHT NOW, I'm not going to be voting him again for the duration of the game. On February 06 2012 20:19 Toadesstern wrote: well but shooting scummy people is way harder than shooting townies. I guess batman will try and go for scum first, probably just shoot into scummy players or DT into them. If he hits his target, fine, if he did not there's one less scummy target and that one might still end up being joker. After he killed his mafia target he can still just blindly rampage town or DT because it should be way easier to figure out town and one of them is bound to be the joker. Obviously he only has to make sure that no side wins before he wins and he has to make sure not to get lynched. He's pretty much immortal so time is running in his favor as long as he's not lynched because both town and mafia are helping him shooting each other. Oh and obviously BM's massclaim (or anyone else saying we should do that) is bullshit. If we were to do that there'd be a shitload of lies and fakeclaims. VT's claiming blue to get shot instead of blues, blues trying not to get shot, reds trying to look townie and so on. I don't know about you guys but I'm pretty sure mafia is having an easier time figuring shit out than everyone else will have on their OWN. Not to mention that there's not even a need to figure this out unless you're batman catwoman or a medic. There's just no point in there. I'm totally fine with "knowing" someone is probably a townie, I don't need to know his role. That's how I see it: 0 benefits, maybe a little wifom to screw with mafia but huge drawbacks. I disagree, but I was really just wanting to nameclaim moreso with that, than actual massclaiming of roles. If we did massclaim, however, we as a town can hold people accountable for their night actions I do not like adam's play this game. I buddied the shit out of him last game as scum. However, this game, he feels more uneasy, given into should be's as opposed to what ares. I don't like his jaybundrage vote. 13 pages in, and he's voting for someone who hasn't posted? That's WORSE than a policy vote in the RVS. Adam votes for a guy with 0 tells after he calls out 3 people for doing things he doesn't like. That is a huge contradiction. Where is his Kurumi vote? He makes a good case on him via meta, only to back off and vote on a null reason (the guy HASNT EVEN POSTED)..... ##vote: adam4167 On February 06 2012 22:01 ico wrote: And we have another herp derp poster. You are making your own case. Only scum knows whether someone is on their team by now. So you are either scum or stupid townie. In each case you are a threat to town. yeah, i agree with this. ico, since we're "on the same wavelength" regarding this post, who else do you suspect? On February 06 2012 22:14 Adam4167 wrote: You sir, are already posting garbage, that's 2 for 2. I clearly have no idea what team he is on, nor was my vote serious in any capacity. We here to lynch scum, not 'stupid' townies. your non serious vote on someone with 0 posts came after a post detailing why 3 or 4 people had done suspicious shit. that is a contradiction. On February 06 2012 22:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You didn't mention the joker claim in "my way" you just said batman should shoot the first few days which is completely anti-town as it is. Your plan is anti-town but you're not willing to commit to it, that's why I'm voting for you. I don't even have a plan I'm just pointing out the flaws in Cyber_Cheese's grand scheme. If Batman has any sense and other people have already pointed out that it makes even less sense for him to use his KP earlier than later. I don't know if this is OMGUS or a horrible horrible misunderstanding of what Adam posted. Hopefully it's not a language barrier issue. He didn't seriously claim he knows what team anyone is on, he's using the random vote which is viable this early in the game and making a lighthearted joke about it. That's really not scummy. It TRULY IS SCUMMY because he had non RVS reasoning on other players - hence he was just FoSing his scumbuddy (say, he is coaching someone - I'm thinking Kurumi - to not act a certain way), and then voting a townie who is "lurking" (really not even acknowledging the thread), and likely to be modkilled. it's a VERY anti town move, a contradiction, and my meta of him (i buddied him when I was scum and he was town in L) says, as town, he doesn't post like this. I'll see how my read progresses over the larger portion of the game, however, but right now i'm not backing off of this. On February 06 2012 22:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Yeah, it's pretty normal in fact I think at mafiascum town usually even declares a random voting stage and they are much better players than TL players so I don't see what you're getting at they are in no way "much better players than TL players" I really hope you trust me on that one they're typically 15 year old kids who rage TL is filled with amazing scumhunters I was just vibing Kurumi as a 3rd party, and then he post this: On February 06 2012 22:47 Kurumi wrote: Also why are we discussing 3rd party strategy, besides giving them advice and generating void discussion because not much can be analysed from that. They play for themselves and were here to win as whole: town. When I get home I will try to compose some lists, maybe even graphs. yeah, he's batman/catwoman calling it now On February 06 2012 22:47 ico wrote: I am aware of that and there is a distinction between having a random voting stage and just randomly voting in a situation that doesn't force it. But we should probably have any further discussion about that after this game, it is derailing. the town being generically better in MS is due to how bad the scumplay there is People on TL have to truly scumhunt good players The RVS is so useless when you have actual reasoning, like adam had IN-THE-POST he cast an rvs vote. On February 06 2012 22:47 Adam4167 wrote: Day 1 town claims should be considered null. They're complete fluff and should have zero impact on your decision to vote someone. We are in the 'RVS' or Random Voting Stage. Its perfectly acceptable to randomly vote someone to generate discussion. Hey look, its working right now! I am however interested in why you're taking such great offense to my (and Kenpachis) actions. You're making these actions out to be much worse then they actually are. defends someone claiming green, that helps scum narrow the list down defends his rvs vote, when he had good, legitimate reasoning in his posts on kurumi, among others says he's "just generating discussion" - woudn't your real vote on kurumi with real reasoning have been better? Was my vote on Kenpachi "RVS"? Did I not have 3-4 good points, in terms of scenarios, of how his action was anti-town regardless of what his alignment was? On February 06 2012 23:01 Palmar wrote: lol mafiascum towns are terrible, the random voting stage is part of why they're terrible. this. the other part of why you think they're good, like i said, to reiterate, is because the scum play there is NOT up to snuff with TL On February 06 2012 23:15 Kurumi wrote: Sup Jackal, Kenpachi scum this game? Bets on Opz being 3rd party? ok, new read, same as the old read kurumi isnt batman/catwoman kurumi is scum with kenpachi, adam, sheth, tunkeg On February 07 2012 00:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's good for day 1. There has been a "town" plan to have the joker sacrifice himself day 1 when it's obvious Batman would just use his DT power unless he's an idiot. That's good enough for me. I'm done talking about that joke of a plan. If it is a scum proposal, they're gonna ditch it and move on to something else probably an easy lynch like rg or kenpachi speaking of "easy" outs, you just named 2 easy outs I've yet to see any actual reads from you, you're just bantering about the setup. @end of 16 kita, i am dreadfully serious about a massclaim imagine we have a ball of marines and medics, and our units are shooting themselves we have 2-4 medics, potentially like 4-6 vigs 3 dts 4 veterans we have like 5 kp as a town per round minimum batman potentially will help us out, too On February 07 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote: All Your posts are utter garbage. Do I need to motivate You with a vote to help Town? Oh wait, maybe You don't want to help us? Why are You defending Kenpachi? hmmm... maybe i was wrong about kurumi On February 07 2012 06:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote: So, you're a fan of lynching lurkers? Or is this purely based on his meta? I really dislike going off of purely meta. And just the statement here bothers me. If he remains afk for half our day then he wants to kill him. Waiting 24 more hours and if he doesn't post having him modkilled should be the best idea. Especially because if we pressure the lurker and he never posts well we've lost a lot of information we could have gained going on someone else. I learned this because of Intrigue. Thanks Intrigue. -.- im starting to like sheth's play again i'm having a loss really finding scum this game i agree with the above post about letting people be modkilled if need be... no point voting someone when we can potentially get 2 reds for the price of 1, and if he's town we're going to lose him anyways. we're capable of scumhunting, and it will only lead to more solid voting analysis in the future. On February 07 2012 07:19 layabout wrote: glad you asked: the names above the key are there because there was no room below the key. that picture will become my primary tool for scumhunting in this and quite likely furture games. it is similar in essence to a Nisani "node graph" but is better because it is in paint. You also prompted me to add a new section for those players that i just cannot read I present Arkham city V 2.0.1.png: + Show Spoiler + hahahahahaha hahahahahhahahahaahaahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahja vsdfjslna oh, you so funny! On February 07 2012 07:47 Kenpachi wrote: This town is full of fail. On February 07 2012 07:48 Kurumi wrote: LET ME NOT HELP IT OH WAIT I AM JUST FULFILLING MY WIN CONDITION :p well, i'll tell ya what is isn't: A SOFTCLAIM On February 07 2012 10:43 Radfield wrote: + Show Spoiler + My self imposed vow of silence is now over OK Sheth, that's all fine and dandy, but who do you want to lynch and why? Also, I enjoyed your streaming this afternoon Palmar: Toad, VE, Kitaman, what are your thoughts on them. I don't think VE is a great lynch today. His scum play is fairly transparent(no offense meant VE ), and his town play is pretty straight forward. Lynching him Day 1 is not optimal. In resistance he was fairly obviously town by Day 2, and in XLVIII he was mostly exposed scum by late Day 2. No rush. Bill, where did you go? Still think Kenpachi is our best Day 1 lynch? You have to admit it's a bit ironic that you called him out for claiming green.... when it's something you've most certainly done before on Day 1. CyberCheese, now that you've successfully deduced the best plan forward for the third party situation, who would you like to lynch? LOL thank god someone is finally confirmed town to me... but it's radfield... the master of disguise..... jeez I was really wanting someone to find that hypocrisy cheers -- i'm stopping on page 22, i will put more work in later | ||
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I dont want to be modkilled and not help the town Im not claiming 3rd party, im a town PR | ||
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there is a gigantic mason network im a part of that is why i'm claiming a power role i know a confirmed town, as well | ||
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excuse me? BC, I do not enjoy direct insults, such as this one | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:12 Jayjay54 wrote: wait what? so you are masoning? with who? and why does this paint you town? No, i was masoned. It doesn't paint me town whatsoever - but I ask you - why would i do this as scum? I am going to ask BC to what extent I can claim in thread, because I know a confirmed town via the network, and someone speculating about roles in relation to who would have sent said network's alignment in relation to the video game with which this came from. Considering this isn't a bastard game, the flavor of the NEIGHBOR network (it's not a mason network - we don't know everyone is town) points towards the person having sent it being town. If he's town, and I'm outting in the thread saying I have a confirmed town, how is this anti-town? | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:12 Toadesstern wrote: the point I am 'wating' about is the bolded part. 5 "KP" or whatever you want to call townvig-shots PER CYCLE? As far as I know TL only plays with 1-shot vigs but you make it look like we got vigs with more than 1 shot. Why do you think so? oh i just assumed that if you're correct, i feel i've made a mistake pushing the massclaim however, given my role, i know that the flavor of this game is definitely unique. my role cannot die n1, for instance, and i am not a veteran | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:21 Jayjay54 wrote: woah slow down. a) how many people are in that network? who is? and how long has this been going on. b) if you are masoned and claim this still doesn't make you town whatsoever. Your mason buddy might be scum (even though you say it's unlikely). Even if he is town and masons you, you still could claim to get easy towncreds. Sorry, I don't get your allignment from claiming being masoned. a. quit fishing b. no, unless bc is a bastard mod, the one person who initiated the neighbor network is town via flavor like i said, we can't afford for my role to die n1 due to flavor, and im not a veteran, so i need a medic on me | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:21 Katina wrote: If there was a like button, I would like this post.... thanks. | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote: also BM, what are you trying to achieve with the mason claim. all you do is generate pointless discussions. As long as you don't provide logs, which help us, there's like no benefit at all. and you say yourself your mass claim was based on wrong facts. I know a little BM right now, but this is getting dangerously nonsense-like first off, how is this nonsensical? explain second off, how is a private network of neighbors we can use to coordinate a negative thing? why should i out the chat logs? i see no point in it. pointless discussion? have you read the 20 pages on 3rd party speculation? | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:29 Jayjay54 wrote: a. yeah, please don't help town by providing information. b. what? I seriously tried to understand that, but I failed. a. i have outted my role, as a mouth of the network, so i can be protected - how is that not 100% info i know? b. the role with which the neighbor came from is confirmed town | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:30 Tobberoth wrote: Sorry for pulling a n00b card again, but what is this mason discussion? From what I gathered on google, mason is a flavor thing which allows some players to have secret meetings during night... how can this happen in this game when PMs aren't allowed and there's no role with that power? Or has the power roles gotten information not available in the OP? you mean neighbor | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:32 Jayjay54 wrote: 1. as long as you give us any information, all you get from claiming mason is a discussion about how to deal with masons. Or am I wrong here? What is the benefit? 2. I assume that there might a scum in this network? Did that occur to you? In that case, by holding information back, scum gets more input than town. How does this help? yeah I read the discussion and that is kind of my point (I made a case on Doc for that reason!). We just finished one discussion, why transition into another? im not a mason ive been neighborized mason = you know alignment neighbor = you dont know alignment you all are killing me with calling it a mason.... 1) the benefit is that scum have no will to out the simple fact of its existence 2) of course there could be scum in the network, like i said, it ISNT A MASON, it's a neighborizer 3) ... your case on doctorhelvetica is pretty bad | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:36 Jayjay54 wrote: a. you could be a scum mouth? Or is that not possible? b. Hmm. Ok. I don't get it completely, how can someone be confirmed in a role if he masons...And if there's an initiator who is confirmed town why doesn't he speak up and be the mouth? 1) i know my role, ive outted i am a power role. What are you getting at? 2) he has spoken up in the thread, and i am speaking up because i am protecting him, and needing protection myself | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:45 Tyrran wrote: Masons are townies taht know each other and that can communicate wich each other outside of the thread ( PMs, QT, IRC). Yes the OP did not include masons, but as i understood it, it is a semi-open setup meaning the OP did not include all information. Until the other masons claim, we have no reason to beleive him tho. And once the other claim, we can lynch BM to confirm the other mason. I think BM claims is bullshit. I dont see any reason for claiming so early when Catwoman is hunting for power role. Why are you claiming BM ? its NOT a mason it's a neighborizer im not a role catwoman or batman want to kill or why would i out in the thread? smh | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:51 Toadesstern wrote: sheth you're pretty wishy washy this game imo. More than you're usually. Maybe that's because of the third party and you don't know what to talk about (hell, first game with 3rd parties for me as well) But don't worry, there's a bunch of people voting CC and since he's still my #1 I'm probably going to unvote you and vote him instead. this sounds like toadesstern is consoling his scumbuddy he has a vote on adam4147 toadesstern sheth cybercheese kenpachi jackal ^ list of scum | ||
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On February 08 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote: 1) if it's so good for town to get the fact of a network out there, why are you the only one claiming? And why just now? 2) I know, that you know it, so why on earth is it pro town to keep information from town which scum already probably has. It creates a information deficit. 3) yea, Palmar said so already, but no one really can say why. He's spammy, has zero content, vote switches (even without posting in the thread) and enforces third party discussions. How the hell is that a bad case? Please enlighten me. I havent read from, say, 22-26, so i wasnt sure noone had claimed it. i consider towncred in claiming it, so if someone else had, great. one guy has gained town cred from the neighborizer, one guy has gotten my eye more than he has in the thread, and another is confirmed town. How is outting information to the thread creating an information deficit? I do NOT want to handle everything there. I am letting the town know about its existence, so that they're not left derpily in the dark. Asylum vs that game flamewheel had with the ninjas, world of difference doctorhelvetica has contributed more than nearly everyone within the thread, do you not see that? would scum not advocate talking about 3rd party, then do so, in a direct contradiction? he's also being really up front. if you want to vote on a contradiction, why don't you vote for adam, who had reasoning, yet still chose to cast an RVS vote. That's a contradiction. On February 08 2012 04:14 Jayjay54 wrote: also, as you are claiming a power role, aren't you afraid of our precious catwoman? "With her honed skills she is able to eliminate one player a night regardless of protections". That doesn't look smart to me. i've already stated there is no way i would be outting if i was one of their targets my role can't afford to die n1, given flavor text. I really need to be kept alive, so I had to out, especially given that I was #1 on the neighborizer list, so if another town PR knew I was town given my case on Kenpachi, mafia already had a HUGE target on my back | ||
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On February 08 2012 04:15 Palmar wrote: BM is insane. That's the only logical explanation to this mess. For what it's worth he's probably not scum, or at least not a super obvious one. palmar, dude, cut the personal insults im about to replace out because of these im not joking | ||
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On February 08 2012 04:17 Adam4167 wrote: @BM You may have buddied the shit out of me in TL50, but it was the buddying that alerted me to your bullshit early on in the piece. If it weren't for your bodyguards, I was vig'ing you out of that game N1. You make it out like me voting for jaybrundage is so scummy because "ZOMG he hasn't posted yet!". This might actually mean something if I hadn't declared I was voting for someone who hadn't posted yet when I placed the vote. I am not going to cast a serious vote with my first post of the game. I wanted reactions from the people I questioned and then I would vote based on the additional information (ie their responses). You're claiming meta of me after one game which I half-played and three posts in this game? Come on. Your 'case' involves repeating the same 2 things over and over, and is crap as a result. I like how Ico sheeps your (bad) case BM, then says you're on drugs in the same post. Stinks of scum. ##Vote: Ico ok, so you'd rather waste your vote on someone potentially modkilled, for instance if you end up not being able to log back on due to relationship issues (im assuming you have a relationship), and cant make more than one post, versus having it on someone you have decent, if not solid, reasoning on? I'm not buying it. I also am not buying the fact that you didn't time this post perfectly It is a delayed OMGUS on ico | ||
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On February 08 2012 04:18 Jayjay54 wrote: difference is that there is a third party in the game with the sole purpose to kill blue power roles regardless of protection. VE's move was stupid. BM's move is just plain out dumb. and I still want to hear from him and palmar why my case on Doc is bad. Seriously. I love discussions about scum candidates, they are always town favoured (unlike third party discussions). => Just saying "you are stupid" is not pro town. notice how he says "my move is dumb" as opposed to "bm is dumb" that's the difference, palmar. It's called being a man, and not using ad hominem. Furthermore, this post isn't even guilty of IIoA, information instead of analysis. It would be, if you ONLY take the bolded, but he has stated that he's worried catwoman or batman needs to kill me (they don't) On February 08 2012 04:20 Palmar wrote: okay, I'll rephrase. You're not insane. However, what you're doing doesn't make any sense at all, it's completely useless and bad. It's one of the more stupid things I've seen in a mafia game. This is nothing personal, I have the right to criticize your actions because they affect the game. I'm not saying you're dumb, just that everything you're doing is dumb. If we have 16 blues claiming that's over half the player list if we get double nameclaims (is it possible to nameclaim?! noone will answer me) then it's a one vs one scenario town vs scum to be lynched... it's not going to happen, or it would literally be autowin if they all did that after all the blues out, we have 15 people left, with over half being scum or 3rd party | ||
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On February 08 2012 04:25 Tobberoth wrote: Isn't it a bit weak to attack timing from a person who hasn't been all that active? it's just funny that ico unvoted him 10 minutes ago who's to say he isn't active in his mafia quicktime? On February 08 2012 04:27 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and BM sry for calling it stupid as well. I'm getting carried away with all those insults. So if you really got it as an insult I'm sorry about that and will stop it. I just don't know if I'm believing a word you say so rephrase "stupid" with "weird" or "bullshit" (bullshit in like you're making it up). Will try to keep the insults on wbg only from now on. It's alright, man. I don't mind my ideas being called stupid, as long as it's not a personal attack, because that makes me want to backlash (and i can't afford that, nor do i want that, on the internet) I understand what you're saying. you don't know if you can trust me. The thing is, I don't know if i can trust any of you all, either. I am always pushing people claiming to me in PM (we dont have PMs this game) as a blue, and that's essentially what i'm doing here look at haunted mafia, where i was modkilled for aggressively posting just like this as a mad hatter look at my first game of mafia ever where i was a detective and claimed to 3 people in pm d1 look at this game where i could have claimed in the neighborizer, but i chose to out that id rather claim here, before claiming the neighborizer exists whatsoever we have 5-7 vig shots, plus batman wanting hugo dead, PLUS our lynches if we massclaim and reduce the scum to the wiggle room of either making it a one person vs one person lynch on "no i'm the riddler" "no you're not, i am!", or claiming townie, then that's great for town, and we can organize our blues freely, right in their faces. One thing people don't realize about teamliquid is there are too many powerroles in a game, and it is unfairly balanced for the town because of all the modkills that occur (whether we want to admit it or not) i am merely wanting to abuse the fact that we are on tier 3 tech before them On February 08 2012 04:30 hiro protagonist wrote: Everyone should ignore Bill until he starts making sense. Anyone doing otherwise at this time is very bad for town atmosphere. ok? why? you're also contradicting yourself, and being hypocritical. Am I not the only name you spoke of, here? I am not seeing your protown play that I saw from you as a detective in L, why not? nervous? | ||
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risk.nuke called me a maniacal egocentric in the quicktopic, so im a bit flustered, and potentially modkilled as a power role, because it made me erase a message asking him to stop using ad hominem. I didn't want to get into discussion of it, and I was even going to delete the "fuck you" post, but you can't delete two posts previous in there... if i don't get modkilled, I will probably be posting less than I have been, considering noone is biting on the "massclaim and simply win" strategy that we could easily employ chaoser, I understand it might be ~12-15 and not 16, but there is no way it's under 10-12 | ||
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1) How were you introduced to mafia? 2) How would you describe your playstyle? 3) Are you better as mafia, or town? RVS is overrated. I personally prefer RQS, and having a questionnaire. As such, I will initiate that: I'll go first. 1) I first started here, on Teamliquid 2) I would say that I'm erratic, with unique and creative ideas 3) I am better at getting people to listen to me as mafia, but sometimes I am obvious. I would say I am better overall at being town, though, like this game, people rarely listen to me. I am actually a very good scumhunter, which is why I was kind of nervous when I got a power role. @adam, on page 14 you voted for someone who, having not posted, was in line to be modkilled in that post you had legit reasoning to vote kurumi why would you vote for someone you had to have a null read on, unless he's your scumbuddy, when you may end up being stuck with that vote if you can't get back on before the deadline? (internet problems, family problems, zombie apocalypse) wouldnt it be better to have a vote on someone you have reasoning on, regardless of when it occurs within the game? | ||
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im going to vote sheth on deductive reasoning, an itching feeling, and meta feel based upon his scum game ##unvote: adam ##vote: sheth | ||
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On February 08 2012 05:28 Palmar wrote: Don't ever do anything like that again. We should probably hang you to punish bad play YOU HAVE LIKE 6 VOTES OR SOMETHING, THAT'S FUCKING NOTHING. I'm done with this, can't deal with more stupidity. if we lynched people for bad play, you wouldnt make it to night one | ||
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On February 07 2012 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I feel pretty good about Liquid'Sheth, Cyber_Cheese, VisceraEyes, and possibly Tunkeg as a team at this point. CC is accusing me of being catwoman out of nowhere. This is absurd, the VE defense force is out now as I expected. This only increases my confidence in my vote. Kitaman reasoned pretty well, let me explain further why I don't like VE. This is a player who made it understood, before the game, that he would be active. 1. His first post is defending Sheth by attacking a player who is suspicious of him, with no substance. He asks a question to the mod, this is a great thing to do as scum by the way it gives you something to fall back on that scum "totally wouldn't do". Sheth's only posts are early starting the easy FOS on kenpachi that happens in literally every single game kenpachi plays in. He is the easiest person to get lynched Day 1 usually, mafia want EASY bandwagons that look kinda scummy, they only risk huge lynches when they are threatened. 2. Is totally inactive, shows up again when he is called out and then OMGUS votes. You're voting to lynch someone on Day 1 because you don't like their "reasons" for voting? But the reasons for voting on KPach who green claims every single game meaninglessly are solid right? 3. Other players defending him chainsaw. Liquid'Sheth also comes back with more fluffy comments about the already finished Batman discussion. I really wish we would stop beating this horse and CC's claims are even more ridiculous. I'll address those soon in this post but let me reiterate it makes no strategical advantage for Batman OR Catwoman to shoot before using DT. All 3 players contributed more than he did. All VE has done is defend himself. All you're really doing is pointing out 2 players who haven't contributed much yet but making it look like you're doing some serious scumhunting. I don't know if you are usually this dramatic about absolutely nothing as town though. Someone can inform me of that. Ridiculous. Even if I was Catwoman, I'd have no incentive to use my hits until late in the game. DO NOT WASTE LYNCHES ON THIRD PARTY. IT IS A WASTED LYNCH. Town does NOT win by lynching SKs. Town must LYNCH scum. Catwoman is a threat to town, mafia is a bigger threat, and the only threat that involves our win condition. Not only is his interpretation of my posts which are focused on making sure the town doesn't give up the joker terrible, but he misunderstands my whole point. My whole point is that Batman/Catwoman shouldn't shoot. We can't cut a bargain with them because they have no incentive to "help" us and can't even claim. HE was the one who made the plan centered around killing a townie to help Batman, I said we don't need to do it and realized pretty quickly that BM/CW won't even shoot early game. That makes me catwoman? That's the most desperate call I've ever heard. JayJay says "a scum win is a catwoman win", which is not true. CW wins if Two-Face and Penguin are dead. She does not want scum to win the game before that happens. If that happens, she does not care who wins. It's as simple as that. Yes it is a role that hurts town. It is also a lower priority than lynching mafia. Insinuating that I might be third party or scum for saying we should just use our lynches to kill scum really is a mindfuck and I'm gonna be really disappointed if both of you guys flip green or blue at the end of this game, take some time off to learn how to play town please. There are a lot of FOSs flying around which is good for later analysis. I don't like Kurumi or Palmar right now but it'll take a bit of time to see how that develops. For the time being my strongest reads are on : Liquid'Sheth - Long posts with no substance/easy FOS VE - Posts only to defend himself/others for most of the game CC - FOS me for talking about neutrals when he invented the bad plan focusing on them, advocates lynching third party instead of scum Kurumi - I don't like these "scum list" things, especially on Day 1. It makes it look like you did some work but there's basically no thought in it. No one cares what your little hunches are. It is alright to have some FOSs flying around if you flip it gives us something to go off of, but put some more thought into it, that's all. this one quote has more content than you, CC | ||
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On February 08 2012 08:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Ugh still been catching up, just finished now. I feel like RG might be Hugo. Ico seems like a decent choice for lynch, if for some reason he comes up as a viable option, I could agree to swap. @BM, you are insane, but in an awesome makes the game more interesting way. Please never change! thank you very much | ||
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unvote: sheth ##Vote: Kurumi | ||
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On February 08 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote: So many scummy lurkers. it's almost better to let them lurk, i still have to read 22-26 if i live through the night | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:08 kitaman27 wrote: I'm still not a huge fan of either of the major lynches. I'll switch to ico for now. My case was posted earlier in the thread. Sixty minutes is a lot of time and the votes counts are relatively low so we aren't stuck with the current two candidates if we agree there is someone better out there. chaoser/bugs/radfield trio gives me the creeps, but that's for another time. i agree with this post, other than chaoser/bugs/radfield they're all cute, to me | ||
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I'm going to get off of here for the night, I will consolidate my reads tomorrow. | ||
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i need a medic on me i cant be roleblocked so jackal wont die | ||
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On February 09 2012 03:33 Toadesstern wrote: I do not need protection. If I find out someone protected me tonight I'm going to bitchslap them postgame I was about to, because im reading backwards, and i saw you're two-face? explain this, please i'll still be on jackal, unless something comes up | ||
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On February 09 2012 04:07 Jackal58 wrote: Forgive me if I don't feel all warm and fuzzy Bill. well, if they triple stack you, i mean, we can't risk that we have a medic claim (me) a dt claim (schworz) and a lot i havent gotten to, apparently | ||
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ignore radfield, other than this list: Bill Murray - medic Kurumi - vig Jackal - vig Toad - DT Schworz - DT Palmar - ? what did palmar claim, I'm not there yet | ||
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scratch that im protecting the good side of the face im hush, a medic, in case you all aren't reading i'm protecting jackal/palmar tonight i would advise the other medics, if we have any, to be on me/jackal/palmar/schworz/toad/kurumi | ||
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dt/vig/mason all into one? | ||
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are you serious? | ||
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that settles it good luck getting me lynched tomorrow | ||
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i have no claimed two-face i have claimed hush, a medic | ||
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On February 09 2012 05:30 Palmar wrote: Dude, let's talk about it in our mason quicktopic. Don't be an idiot. it's not a mason quicktopic it's a neighbor quicktopic or a phone network it's not masons - mason implies we know each others alignment | ||
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no other medics should be on him others medics WIFOM between myself and jackal | ||
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cheers! off to bed! | ||
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On February 07 2012 09:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Do you really think Kat's claim that I wasn't saying much was soo scary that I needed my scumbuddies to take the threat off me? On February 07 2012 09:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote: my scumbuddies ##vote: sheth | ||
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i just changed my vote without having read that and me, clearly sheeping? i actually posted a case on sheth having a scumslip i am much more interested in lynching the lying kurumi for fakeclaiming vigilante | ||
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I will enjoy catching up on this | ||
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On February 11 2012 01:58 rgTheSchworz wrote: Lynch me if you think it s useful. I dont mind it at all, since I am not third-party and still have a chance to win. Maybe the info gained after my lynch will sort things out. I cant get over this quote Schworz is going to get me vote in the next serious voting If that is not the case, I have a potential connection on who is mafia. I am going to filter players, and look into it. | ||
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On February 12 2012 21:08 Jayjay54 wrote: wow it's really easy to become confirmed town these days. 1. Every scum accuse strongly each other. 2. One scum dies. 3. ???? 4. Profit. lol | ||
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i will fullclaim i am hush, the medic. i can be roleblocked. i didnt want to be roleblocked. i didnt protect jackal anyways. i have 2 conditions with my role that are special abilities in a sense. one to do with protection, and one to do with night time i dont want to go into | ||
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On February 09 2012 15:06 Bill Murray wrote: I got roleblocked On February 09 2012 15:19 Bill Murray wrote: i was hoping they would buy the "i cant be roleblocked" lie :p i have been protecting layabout both nights, thought night 1 i was roleblocked | ||
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On February 10 2012 07:43 wherebugsgo wrote: how the fuck is that a reason to vote someone? would scum criticize me on this? i dont think so | ||
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On February 12 2012 22:44 Kurumi wrote: LOL THAT'S BULLSHIT Why, from all people You would protect HIM? There was a vig who claimed Then,. there was a vet who claimed. Scum. claiming =/= town layabout has been putting in work i like his reads and i like his spreadsheet you're just pussysore i voted you yesterday | ||
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On February 12 2012 11:52 wherebugsgo wrote: why would he do that as town? are you thick? as scum that takes loads of pressure off his scumbuddies. If he was scum with Sheth that makes PERFECT sense. In fact, even the retraction makes sense from a scum perspective when it was obvious Sheth would not lynch. People like you are unwilling to believe he's scum now just because he's a new player and you legitimately think he could be that bad to do that as town. It makes no sense from a GOOD mafia perspective, but it certainly does from a bad one. It makes no sense at all from any kind of town perspective because it just serves to shit on town objectives. This quote basically says "schworz is mafia with sheth and i" it also goes on to say schworz wouldnt do it as good mafia what it implies, therein, is that schworz would do so as bad mafia it also adds that "it makes no sense from a town perspective" ##vote schworz | ||
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layabout isnt clear town, though, with the amount of vigs we have, but im def. leaning town on him now | ||
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On February 09 2012 12:33 Bill Murray wrote: I've got something I need to say, but it's going to have to wait about thirty minutes to an hour This message was after I got a townread on layabout -that- was when I decided to change my protection On February 09 2012 15:06 Bill Murray wrote: I got roleblocked *third party facepalm* On February 09 2012 15:28 Bill Murray wrote: im going to make them regret the next 70 hours cheers! off to bed! this is sadly not going to be true, unless it's a crapshoot for me, or my sheeped townread pulls through (layabout) my girlfriend's grandfather just died, and we were rowing really bad before it happened. so, i've been up all night, it's 7 am, and I can solidly say that I regret not being able to read everything and have the time for this. I do promise to try my hardest with the time I do have. On February 13 2012 07:03 Bill Murray wrote: Curu just messaged me and said i protected my target from a hit (layabout) This was on N2, for the record, that layabout was protected I do not know why the mods waited to inform me. I was sort of mad about it, but it is irrelevant so long as you know that I am speaking the truth, and have good intentions. My stance on Kurumi has changed since I voted him. I am now pretty sure he is a blue role with me. Though I feel Layabout is green, I trust his scumhunting at this point, so I'm not sure who I'm going to protect. My stance on schworz as a DT has deteriorated to the point I would be ok lynching him I do not see the case on evantrees, would someone refresh me? thanks. | ||
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On February 13 2012 17:04 -_-Quails wrote: As Toad asked, why did you protect layabout the "not clear town" over a town PR who was confirmed to you? Also, why are you sheeping a player whose alignment you are unsure of? Shouldn't you at least sheep your strongest townread if you aren't going to pay attention? Or are you claiming that at this point in the thread layabout is your strongest townread? ##vote BillMurray layabout is my strongest townread, and i protected layabout from a hit tyrran has also scumslipped, letting me know another blue, mind you. | ||
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layabout's posting is 10x better than jackal's in terms of catching scm | ||
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On February 08 2012 01:16 layabout wrote: We now have a few candidates that might actually be scum: Toad Cyber+Cheese Sheth maybe someone else it would be VERY disadvantageous for layabout to place his scumbuddy at the bottom of his "let's lynch these guys" lynch 5 days ago. he's not scum. | ||
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I am very, very, very happy. Good job town. I am sorry I wasn't here for the last 20 pages or so | ||
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- a lot of the dead town are unimportant. | ||
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sounds like a pink floyd song | ||
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