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On December 23 2011 15:07 L wrote: RE: Misrepresentation. Because he likely assumed that mafia would wait for his post because he called it out earlier. This forces any roleblock decision they have to the last minute, literally, of play. Also, see my other post. The hits don't add up unless people are withholding information regarding their shots. My analysis will change substantially if other people step up and claim they've hit people. Until that point you have a choice between: 1) He lied. and 2) World's most ridiculous chain of events occurred/Game is broken/He lied about something else. This makes no sense, he posted at 12. There was nothing anyone could do about anything at that point. So there's no reason for him to lie to make mafia not RB him or anything since it would have been impossible to change actions to respond to his kill statement at that point. And he knew he was a suicide Vigi so if he fucked up he knew he was going to die and be unable to clarify anything. | ||
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Chezinu - After looking back on the game, I feel that chezinu is most likely townie. Looking back, (especailly if you're assuming palmar was the traitor though this isn't needed) chenizu's first post of: On December 20 2011 15:05 Chezinu wrote: I love you bumatlarge...May I join your family? You seem to know your way around this game as if you know what is going on.. Well, you have the men in black at your service. All you have to do is name him. is pretty protown when you look back on it. An extremely blatant traitor crumb, it causes the same problems for mafia as it does for town, mainly, can they trust Chezinu? Him being him, it creates a WIFOM situation for them that is way worse than for us. The difference that it makes, however, is that it was extremely blatant. Had it been more hidden I would have had my doubts about him but since it's so out in the open, it's a protown move. He then posts in ridiculous typical Chenizu fashion while mentioning that the mafia know the blue list. All protownie. This then brings me to bum who is connected to chenizu somehow and so in my mind that gives him some townie points as well since they seem to be communicating openly and both posting openly. I'll talk about prplhz, VE's post-death posts, and syllo next | ||
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That's some fucked up shit. | ||
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I think VisceraEyes needs to get off Palmar's back. Right now the town is in a state where I don't think we're likely to catch scum. A lot of people are lurking instead of trying to establish themselves as scum. I think VisceraEyes has a valid point that a lot of the veterans here play like Radfield plays, he likes to sit back and watch the show and then get his reads from unsuspecting scum who think they're doing all fine. We can't all do that though, for obvious reasons. That being said there's a ton of people on LSB right now so I think he's likely the best lynch. I'll be around until deadline reading up on the thread and then it's back to bed. but I'll have more time when I get home, maybe someone can point out a couple of people I could look into? Preferably lurkers like GGQ. I'd say we keep a watch on him for now. He continues to ask a ton of questions about other people's opinions and so at this moment he's leaning towards null. This is because a mafia tries to hide the fact that they're trying to be noncommital while I sense prphlz is being very open about his questioning. I disagree with his poorly thought out case against chenizu. Hopefully time will tell. syllogism, however, is my main target for the day. He's posted almost nothing of value: What does this even mean? The theme is to punish bad play, not to punish weird play and how do we "think outside the box to counter his methods"? Not making sense is bad play, will you take responsibility? Is this Curu? Tag your posts. I've a hard time believing that you actually think chezinu couldn't do that regardless of his alignment. Oh no Chezinu may destroy his credibility!! He responds to a post bum made with: There is no need to play any differently than you normally do and in fact you shouldn't as that will only make it more difficult to potentially establish your innocence. when he himself stated early on in the thread: I'll be trying a new style so if there's something off with my play, that's probably it He himself also never actually makes any cases and continues to complain about how "people accepted the invite despite being too busy to actually play the game as they can't all be mafia. Just look at the length of the replacement queue; I would wager the vast majority of them would be willing to put more effort into the game than the people currently playing." whene, if you look through his posts, he's barely put in much effort (merely commenting on other people's posts without adding much himself) He also switches his vote from GM to LSB while posting: I'm still partial to GM if that's all he has got. It seems strange that he decided to spend his time writing more setup analysis when we've 6(?) hours until lynch. Lurking by bc/rol/ggq et al seems more of a null tell based on Ver's post, so I'm now less inclined to lynch someone who is clearly completely away. into: On December 22 2011 07:56 syllogism wrote: Anyway, I'm starting to consider LSB the better lynch out of GM/LSB, despite finding WBG's initial case quite stupid. GM's post is a bit strange, but I think him not reading carefully is more of a null or even slightly leaning town read. In a situation where he is already being pressured I think he would be more careful as scum. I do however agree with your points on LSB and even GM's point about him lacking confidence. ##vote LSB but then bitches at bum about not explaining why he found LSB scummy when he himself barely did it either. ##vote: syllogism | ||
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On December 24 2011 12:50 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I'd really rather you not. I'm sorry for being inactive lately. However I'd understand if you want to, however realize your just hurting town with it. How am I hurting town? You have done almost nothing. Unless you actually start contributing, I'm totally up for a lynch on you. | ||
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On December 24 2011 12:50 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I'd really rather you not. I'm sorry for being inactive lately. However I'd understand if you want to, however realize your just hurting town with it. On December 24 2011 13:54 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I didn't say you specifically were. Just that lynching me off in the end would be bad for us. And yes I understand Chaoser, I'm working on it. How is that not specific? You specifically said that I was hurting town with it. | ||
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On December 24 2011 19:25 syllogism wrote: This looks exactly like his town play and would be pretty much the last person I would lynch today. I would like to lynch one of the people who have apparently decided not to play the game as by this point it's far more likely that they aren't just busy but rather are using it as a cover. Out of them BC would be my #1 choice. You say this and yet you yourself have yet to make a case on anyone, pushed for anyone's lynch in a meaningful way, or gone for anyone besides "low-hanging fruit" (aka BC). You want a lynch a guy off inactivity during the busiest time of year in which we're getting an extra 24 hours to the day cycle? What about Sheth, who has continually said he'll be more involved and has yet to actually do anything? The only real difference between you and BC is that while he's openly inactive, you've managed to do nothing while posting a decent amount. Also at foolishness: what do you think of WBG's post of: BC suspects Palmar, but ultimately suspects LSB more and votes him. Still, suspicion of Palmar. Chezinu: votes Palmar, but isn't viewed seriously (at least by me) because he had no reasoning for his vote. I asked him for one, but he hasn't been around and hasn't provided one. Bum: same thing as Chezinu. L: voting Palmar, albeit his vote reason is shit. There are three things that are troubling me right now: 1. LSB has disappeared and he is drawing votes very easily. This makes me unsure of him being scum. 2. Palmar defends GM on game-irrelevant grounds, but attacks L with the accusation that L is using game-irrelevant reasons to vote him. 3. At least four other people right now suspect Palmar, but he has received no real attention all game. We so far have just been saying "oh he looks like his normal town," which is certainly true, but isn't conclusive of his alignment. With a lack of pressure, if Palmar is scum he could do anything he wants. Given palmar's flip and the fact that WBG correctly pointed out that: Palmar defends GM on game-irrelevant grounds, but attacks L with the accusation that L is using game-irrelevant reasons to vote him. I'd say that this, plus all the posting that he's done so far, is a lot more townie like then some of the other players in the game. | ||
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I just want to ask L what the point of his "GM was lying" topic about? It made me go from ok he's pretty townie to hmm...scummy... Thanks for hosting Ver, Qatol, Incog! Would play again! | ||
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On January 09 2012 05:26 bumatlarge wrote: I think he was trying to push the eventual RoL lynch? I mean, they had to get some use out of stopping GM from shooting RoL, so why not push the person in subject? If RoL flipped town, it makes L look right, and if L flips scum it makes RoL look bad. This was why I opted for L over RoL, because RoL flipping doesn't tell us much, and I felt pretty good about L being scum. Hence, my moral dilemma in thinking RoL could actually be scum :X sorry I think after the no-lynch and meapak replaced in, town got it's shit together. I think there could have been a few more misses. Yeah but just the simple fact that he was suddenly 100% sure about GM lying with no evidence to back up that logic (in fact all the logical evidence pointed to GM NOT needing to lie) was pretty telling for me. Notice how he never responded to the point of "why would GM lie if he posted his hit AFTER the deadline was over thus making the "he was scared it would affect the mafia decision" incorrect?" I dunno, I feel like it was bad play on his part, like there was miscommunication between the block, what happened afterwards, and what the plan on how to explain shit was. | ||
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