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There are a couple of possibilities as I see it:
- GM is telling the truth about his role, that Ver is trying to punish the practice of comparing role PMs
- GM is scum, that for some reason he counterclaimed when he was in no immediate danger of being lynched
Can someone help me out with possible scum motivations for counterclaiming like that? Beyond the obvious WIFOM and confusion it would cause, I can't think of a single benefit that would arise from it, save one; there is no solid scum motivation for it, so GM would then be confirmed-but-not-really-town. It's loose, but it's literally all I can think of. Anyone else have any ideas?
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How about this theory:
GM is the Traitor. I can see Traitor motivation for GM's actions. I mean, it not only gives GM an opportunity to push through a mislynch, it allows mafia to know for almost certain who the Traitor is for their guess...this bolsters their number (however breifly) and reduces town number.
+ Show Spoiler [WIFOM/Speculation] +Hell, it's possible that them finding the traitor with a full roster increases their KP right? We don't know what scum KP is, and we don't know how it's calculated. It's possible that scum KP are increased by 1 if they find the traitor with a full roster. Does this make sense?
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What about my Traitor theory guys? Hey! Hey! What about my Traitor theory? Everyone's ignoring it!
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On December 23 2011 02:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote: What about my Traitor theory guys? Hey! Hey! What about my Traitor theory? Everyone's ignoring it! If GM were the traitor, the scum team would still need to shoot a scum to justify him living. I don't think the trade would be worth it, considering GM would then have to deal with having a reason for being alive for the remainder of the game for shooting scum. It looked like LSB was going to be lynched even before the counter-claim, so its not like traitor would have anything to gain by putting himself out there to be responsible for a vig shot tonight.
Unless they're just expecting him to die tonight to town KP.
How likely do you think it is that scum KP go up if they add the Traitor to their number Kita?
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Because he counterclaimed LSB claiming the same role but with a different name. While it's not a stretch to believe that Ver put in 1 role with 2 different names, I'm having a hard time accepting it myself. I'm probably not alone.
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On December 23 2011 04:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 03:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 23 2011 02:42 kitaman27 wrote:On December 23 2011 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote: What about my Traitor theory guys? Hey! Hey! What about my Traitor theory? Everyone's ignoring it! If GM were the traitor, the scum team would still need to shoot a scum to justify him living. I don't think the trade would be worth it, considering GM would then have to deal with having a reason for being alive for the remainder of the game for shooting scum. It looked like LSB was going to be lynched even before the counter-claim, so its not like traitor would have anything to gain by putting himself out there to be responsible for a vig shot tonight. Unless they're just expecting him to die tonight to town KP. How likely do you think it is that scum KP go up if they add the Traitor to their number Kita? The most common formula is #scum/2, rounded up, so it could go up to 3 if the traitor is recruited, but that is of little help if the traitor gets lynched the next day. The one additional kp for one night doesn't seem worth outing the traitor as scum.
Would you say that you're willing to lynch GM if scum doesn't die tonight Kita?
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On December 23 2011 05:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 23 2011 04:08 kitaman27 wrote:On December 23 2011 03:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 23 2011 02:42 kitaman27 wrote:On December 23 2011 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote: What about my Traitor theory guys? Hey! Hey! What about my Traitor theory? Everyone's ignoring it! If GM were the traitor, the scum team would still need to shoot a scum to justify him living. I don't think the trade would be worth it, considering GM would then have to deal with having a reason for being alive for the remainder of the game for shooting scum. It looked like LSB was going to be lynched even before the counter-claim, so its not like traitor would have anything to gain by putting himself out there to be responsible for a vig shot tonight. Unless they're just expecting him to die tonight to town KP. How likely do you think it is that scum KP go up if they add the Traitor to their number Kita? The most common formula is #scum/2, rounded up, so it could go up to 3 if the traitor is recruited, but that is of little help if the traitor gets lynched the next day. The one additional kp for one night doesn't seem worth outing the traitor as scum. Would you say that you're willing to lynch GM if scum doesn't die tonight Kita? It would depend what happens. If GM decided not to fire, I would be willing. If he claims to have hit player X and player X survives the hit, then I would probably want to lynch one of the two, unless there was a legitimate reason not to. I'm not sure how we would approach the situation if he is roleblocked. It would probably depend on who he decides to hit and his reasoning. How about you? @GM, is your bullet refunded if you are roleblocked?
It would depend on the circumstances, as you said. I'll say however that I'm going to favor lynching in more scenarios than not.
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I'm lonely guys, come play with me! Allowed to fester, I'll just keep coming up with crazy paranoid shit. I need guidance.
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On December 23 2011 08:33 prplhz wrote:Hey guys I decided to write something about BloodyC0bbler because he only has 3 posts in this game so that should be easy, AMIRITE? BloodyC0bblerHis first post isn't very impressive. His second post has already been commented on. It appears to me that he is soft blue claiming in the very first paragraph, by saying that bumatlarge and Chezinu are making sense when they're talking about the setup (which I think they were?). He says it in a way that would make people think that he knows something about the setup too, but not in a very subtle way like he wants everybody to know. This looks like a soft blue claim to me but I have no idea why he is doing it at this point. Also in the first paragraph he says "Their posts illustrate what I am saying.", well dude, you haven't said a thing yet. That is your 7th sentence in this game. The rest of your post doesn't say anything that looks like it is remotely related to what bumatlarge and Chezinu might have been talking about, so this makes little sense to me. His next paragraphs says "everybody sucks, RNG sucks" which has already been commented on by other people, we were beyond talking about RNG at this point, why didn't he just move on if he doesn't want people to talk about RNG? He finishes his post by making a half assed accusation against Palmar for not contributing any original content. Pot kettle black. His third and latest post to date starts by pointing out something that Foolishness already pointed out. He then defends GMarshal for suggesting a policy lynch saying that "hydras ruin games" and "lets kill the hydra because he's a hydra" isn't terrible. This is odd to me because it is a terrible accusation that GMarshal came up with there, just because Protactinium or whatever ruined a game 100 years ago doesn't mean that policy lynching a hydra now is a good idea. It's like he's grasping for straws to defend GMarshal, I don't understand why because the case against GMarshal was decent and the pressure was not misplaced at all. Next paragraph he again goes for Palmar because Palmar pointed out that BloodyC0bbler was addressing something that wasn't relevant to the thread anyway, and by doing this BloodyC0bbler again talks about something that is not relevant to the thread anymore. We are past RNG here, talk about it post game, there was no need to comment and just because Palmar was apparently stupid in thinking that RNG is alright, BloodyC0bbler isn't adding anything to the thread here. It is statements like "Now, I only respond to these posts as he was tossing shit my way for my play.", he feel the need to justify that he's defending himself, dude why don't you just play better and put effort into something that isn't defending yourself? Then nobody will be on your back. In the end he concludes that Palmar is likely town. Then why the hell these first paragraphs? You are going for Palmar for over half of your post and then you say "Yea he's probably town because of that thing Foolishness said". Again, you are not adding anything to this thread, you are only trying to take stuff out of it. Only in the last two paragraphs does he actually do something that isn't counter attacking Palmar for his very accurate comment on BloodyC0bbler's posting. This is alright, and it's a very early committal vote on LSB who was acting weird, the only problem I have is that BloodyC0bbler says "So until he comes out with anything substantial to keep him alive im voting him.", but BloodyC0bbler never returns to the thread. It's like he's placed his vote and then he doesn't really care anymore. If he had been in the thread at any point I believe he would have commented on the whole claim and counter claim thing, that seems like something that might have shaken his belief in this lynch but he doesn't, he just disappears from the thread once he's placed his vote. Overall I also think BloodyC0bbler seems excessively hostile, throwing words like "shit" and "shite" and "asshattery" (which of course is also kinda funny) all over the place. I don't get this weird frustrated hostility, but I feel like it's the same I saw in Curu in Election mafia. I don't know how to interpret this and it's all up for discussion, but maybe BloodyC0bbler doesn't really like being scum, he wasn't like this at all in XLVII. I can't vote right now. Since VisceraEyes is around maybe you can comment on this? Foolishness is around too but I doubt I'll get anything out of him right now.
prplhz I have to say...this is impressive analysis. I'd like to add that his 'unless he comes and does something yadda yadda' when he voted LSB was noncommittal and left him free to come in and unvote if he wanted to. But as you pointed out, he didn't seem to care after this post.
FoS: BloodyC0bbler
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On December 23 2011 09:22 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 05:10 L wrote: RE: Availability
Just finished my term paper. Will be catching up with current events when my body recovers. Which will be after 5 showers, dinner, some freshly brewed tea and a rousing bout of intercourse with a model from Holland.
Cheerio chaps. So who is replacing L?
Ooooo....*brofist*
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Jackal, it would be easier if you looked at anyone who WASN'T on LSB last night bro - it's clear from the shenanigans that scum were playing for a no-lynch toward the end, so I'll be the majority of the scum-team was NOT on LSB.
My 2 cents.
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be = bet at the end....my money would be on it if I had any.
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So you don't think leaving LSB alive and pushing him tomorrow would have been a viable play? That's what I would have done as scum, seeing how hard townies were pushing townies. That suspicion would still be there tomorrow, and a no-lynch denies town information.
But I see what you're saying. It also makes sense considering that the longer the game goes, the harder it is for scum to hide.
Be that as it may, I'm looking OFF the wagon, so I'll tell you what I find.
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WBG, what of prplhz' arguments did you find bad? Which scum-tells are you referencing when you say 'wouldn't fall to basic scum-tells'?
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Here's the thing about BC lurking: as town, BC lurks like a bitch...much like most of the other seasoned vets here. As town he has a tendancy to pop in though and throw in pro-town nuggets of truth or berate bad play. This game however, he really only pops in to defend himself. There's nothing pro-town about anything he's said this game...and the only time he's berated bad play was when he pointed out that Palmar made a post pregame about playing up the importance of good play, yet hadn't been playing well up to that point.
Here's my problem with that though: BC had literally done NOTHING himself. Like, yeah, okay, BC lurks. He's like to do it regardless of his alignment (see: vet meta)...but his play had been nothing to write home about either. The difference is that Palmar actually had a post in-thread to reference regarding this particular subject to call him out over. All it serves to do is make Palmar look suspicious, because he didn't point out any of Palmar's posts to back up his point, and he didn't vote for Palmar.
I agree with one thing though - hostility isn't indicative of alignment alone. What's indicative of alignment is the context surrounding the hostility. There's nothing in the context of BC's cursing or use of the term 'asshatery' that indicates scum OR town to me.
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Don't discount things just because you think someone's too good to do that. You're wrong. He's every bit as good as his reputation upholds, but that doesn't make him infallible and it doesn't make him impossible to catch. You're suggesting that he simply WON'T do things that scum get caught for. If that's true, then scum are guaranteed to win every game he rolls scum in. It's just not true. Here's an example: scum have to push bad lynches during the day if they want to win. Just because BC is good doesn't mean that he won't push bad lynches. He HAS to if he hopes to win.
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He surrounds it with "Defense of GM" and "Weak Vote of LSB", but this is the post I'm referencing.
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On December 23 2011 12:44 Foolishness wrote: What are you guys even debating about x.x
WBG seems to think that BC is too good to be caught. I'm telling him he's way off.
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On December 23 2011 12:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 10:36 Palmar wrote: Why don't you let BC defend himself WBG? Do you have a problem with him being forced to do something this game? Do you have a reason to be such a raving dick? Everyone has reasons both in game and outside of game that dictate their level of activeness in a game. Currently as it stands I have been insanely busy with work, xmas related shite, family stuff. If you noticed ver made a post about the level of some players was going to be lower than others? Guess what, I was one of those. Before you instantly start jumping on a vet for being "inactive" or "he has done nothing helpful" why don't you take something a host has mentioned and leave the "inactives" alone and go after the people who are being active. Until day 2 arrives you had no real idea of who was in the net of players who were going to be less active for day 1. However you still chose to jump up and down at me as well as other players. Now who wants to see the interesting bit? Check out Palmars Filter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384&user=87086Who has he analyzed? For a player like Palmar for a day 1 with all the posting has down. He didn't analyze a single player. He FoS or argues with a ton of people, never builds a case then promptly jumps on the lsb wagon. (which I am guilty of voting for the same person, and as much as I'd like to say I'd swap my vote I wasn't here to). This game of yours palmar is nothing like your play from the last game we played together where you were town. You were actively pushing against some people and at least had analysis then, here you have nothing but generalities with no real solid contributions of your own.
Especially since he's so proud of that 60% scum-lynch-rate-D1. I feel that sir. I FEEL THAT.
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