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ey215
United States546 Posts
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ey215
United States546 Posts
I'm not fully convinced either way by the case on layabout or the case on xtfftc. I am not comfortable voting for either at this point. Who I am comfortable voting for is Bluelightz. I find it highly suspicious that he wasn't modkilled, I find it highly suspicious that he's only ever posted when ti's been close that he might be modkilled and he's added absolutely nothing of value to the discussion and his "case" on layabout is absolute crap. I also think he's the mafia's roleblocker. ##Vote: Bluelightz | ||
ey215
United States546 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:41 xtfftc wrote: It depends. On Day 2 we had just one case and very limited discussion, so a switch that leads to a townie lynch would have been blatantly obvious. On Day 1 we had a few cases, so a switch could have been masked much better. As for bigger games, last minute switches almost always benefit mafia because there's more people voting and it's hard to distinguish between the lurking mafia and newbie townies. Thanks for the answer. Could you answer my other question as well please? "Do you still believe I am mafia and if so/not what has changed about your opinion over the last couple of days?" | ||
ey215
United States546 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:18 ey215 wrote: Thanks for the answer. Could you answer my other question as well please? "Do you still believe I am mafia and if so/not what has changed about your opinion over the last couple of days?" ebwop: Well ignore that. | ||
ey215
United States546 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:17 xtfftc wrote: I still do. You've hardly given any opinions since I stopped tunneling you (with the only real contribution being you mostly disagreeing/somewhat agreeing with layabout's initial posts on me and Tunkeg, but this is not enough - and it would be wise for the two of you to disagree in the thread anyway) , so the only way I could change my opinion is if someone else acts in such a scummy fashion that leaves no doubt. Let's go quickly through the list of possibilities: BH - town. We all agree, I think. Tunkeg - town. He hasn't contributed a lot but it's enough for a good read. I'm sure that if he was mafia, we would have found reasons to put him under more pressure. Velinath - as much as I hate to say it, town. I would love to call him mafia but it makes no sense. Him tunneling on me so ferociously while committing many factual mistakes fits his play: he focuses on just one player (first it was BKE and now it's me) and he builds up his case as he goes, so he gets things wrong. Studying for his finals has had impact on his analysis as well. And even from a purely theoretical perspective... why would mafia need him to go after me like this when he wasn't a main target? Bussing layabout would have made much more sense than going all out after me. Bluelightz - the only player I can imagine being mafia if you flip town. But he's a lurker, and lurkers simply ruin the game because they are always a gamble. Remember Day 1 and me arguing against everyone about policies in general and Lynch All Lurkers in particular? How I kept saying that it sounds good in theory but in reality it doesn't work? We lynched Bbyte based on the policy but this didn't scare the others into contributing. Bluelightz is the latest example and we can't do much about it. If he doesn't care the post, he doesn't care if he gets lynched as well. So he's putting the town into a very shitty situation. If he's town, he's way too lazy - and if he's mafia, he's playing way too dirty. I have no ideas but hoping for a DT to check him - but we don't even know if we have a DT and whether he'd be able to do it before he dies. So it just sucks. I must say that I feel that the questions you've been asking as of late have been very pro-town. Although this is also good mafia play (asking good questions and appearing to contribute without puting yourself out there as much), it helps town. If you're really not mafia, you should back it up with more analysis because the game is almost over, one way or another. Again thanks for answering, it helps clarify some things for me. I'll respond to only one point and that's the last paragraph. The reasons I'm asking better questions is that I'm working on something in my head and am just not all the way there yet. I know we're down to the end of all of this and it's time to pull it out but I don't want to half ass a case like I did against you/grack. Actually, now that I've been thinking about it on BH, while I think we all agree he's town has anyone else found him to be less engaging since say the middle of day 3? Like he's almost stepped back a bit. I'm not sure why the change or if I'm just imagining it. | ||
ey215
United States546 Posts
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ey215
United States546 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:16 Forumite wrote: Tense! I wonder how he´ll flip. | ||
ey215
United States546 Posts
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ey215
United States546 Posts
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ey215
United States546 Posts
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ey215
United States546 Posts
I think we have to go Tunkeg. The only way they were saving xt was by getting their two votes on him and then convincing a third to switch over. I suspect that's why xt got much friendlier to me there at the end. He thought he might be able to sway me to vote for layabout. | ||
ey215
United States546 Posts
On December 15 2011 16:08 Velinath wrote: Well, for what it's worth, I guess I can roleclaim now. I was the DT - hence my inexplicable tunnelling on xtfftc last day (I investigated him). It wasn't the best play, I suppose, but it was the best I could do with what time I had the last couple of days. This was also the reason I was suddenly so very very confident that ey215 was town for the last two days. I felt the suspicions on him were somewhat well-founded, but him coming up town meant that I could at least try and give something that I could refer back to later in the thread. Meh. Well played, all. A little bit unsatisfying conclusion, but c'est la vie I suppose. For what it's worth when I saw you post on me early Day 3 I actually said out loud, "Don't say that!" I can't believe they didn't catch it. | ||
ey215
United States546 Posts
I think you were wrong on the roleclaim call, here's why: We were at 5-1 if you roleclaim and Vel has 1 town that is still alive we win. Mafia kills you 4-1, Vel investigates someone else and either returns Scum of Town. We now have 5 people in the game, 1 DT, 2 investigated towns and 2 unknowns. Lynch one unknown Day 5 and if he flips town lynch the other Day 6. Game is over. If we don't have a doctor no one roleclaims and we're in the same place that we were before. There's a small risk there but I think a roleclaim at that point is +EV. | ||
ey215
United States546 Posts
Did you like having a veteran in the newbie game? I think overall it was good. I would like to have seen it play out longer to really decide whether it was good or not. Would you prefer the veteran did not smurf? No, I think smurfing is the way to go. If the vet does not smurf they are a huge target and also it would potentially lead to too much following of the vet. Would you prefer giving both factions a veteran? I don't know, I think it might be a huge advantage to mafia but I'm really not sure. Palmar question for you: You said that we were very transparent and good as town, what made it that way? | ||
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