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On November 17 2011 10:45 Lemonwalrus wrote: Yes, pretty much.
In that case I think at least two of you, Coag, and chaoser are scum. I intended on pushing only one of you before but that's enough for me.
##vote chaoser ##vote coagulation
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Lemon's reason for voting you makes no sense lol
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Lemon can you explain why you are more concerned about bum "watching the thread go by" instead of Coag?
I don't see bum doing anything weird. Coag voted for someone who was already hammered.
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On November 17 2011 13:54 LSB wrote: Sorry guys I'm sick and sleep deprived and I have so much to do.
But a quick glance through. Before we lynch Lanaia, we should at least see how Kenpachi fllps. A lot of analysis has been "Kenpachi is scum so Lanaia is scum", yet we don't know 100% if Kenpachi is scum
##Vote: sinani206 Since in reality he hasn't said anything besides "xxx is obvscum"
LSB can you tell us all what you think of Coag and lemon?
I'd like to hear what you make of Coag's vote and his relative incompetence so far.
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Can someone explain to me how risk.nuke is confirmed town?
Didn't know you could be confirmed town on day 1...or hell, ever...
##unvote Lemonwalrus ##vote bumatlarge ##unvote Coagulation ##vote Drazerk
My vote is still on chaoser; bum said a very strange thing about Coagulation lurking as scum after I went to sleep, Drazerk has gone back to find the games where he handicapped town by his bad play in order to defend himself, and...yeah.
I unvoted Coagulation because of two posts he made after he realised his mistake. He said something only a couple others have realised; the current chaos in the thread and the massive amounts of vote splitting is hugely in favour of scum. As I said earlier we need to focus so that scum feel pressure, rather than go after 20 different targets and expect to actually gain something that way. He also seems more like a busy townie who doesn't have time to post tha scum with an agenda, so I'd like to stick to my original idea of killing him tomorrow if he doesn't do anything.
Lemon is suspicious because of the way he is sheeping chaoser, but that alone isn't enough to incriminate him. I'm going to reread the relevant pages several more times and see if anything pops out.
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I think Nisani should probably die at some point. Preferably tomorrow.
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Here's some of my thoughts:
1. Anyone who thinks Hiroruby is a good lynch for today probably has not properly read the posts he has made or the posts of the players who started the case on him.
2:
On November 18 2011 05:07 risk.nuke wrote: Wbg what do you think of Coagulation?
As I said on the last page (I think?) Coag originally looked pretty scummy to me because he was gone and he came back and voted an already dead player. He also has contributed almost nothing.
However, unlike the other lurkers he said something that rings very true; if there is chaos and disorganization in the thread, we cannot focus on who we should be lynching. The sources of this disorganization should be our focus. Currently, the biggest source is chaoser. After chaoser come players like Drazerk and bum. Bum isn't seeding much disorganization but he is slipping by while saying incredibly weird things. His post on coagulation was very scummy, for example.
3. There are a couple players who were earlier active and are now doing nothing. The biggest who comes to mind is LSB. We can't focus on him today though, just keep this in mind. Watch for these players, because scum will often disappear randomly and then reappear. Be wary when listening to these players, because if they have erratic activity patterns that probably means that they are pushing an agenda by staying away from the thread and then jumping in at key moments.
If such a player is gone and then enters the thread, look carefully at what that player is pushing. Look at who it might potentially cover up or bring attention away from. Do not ignore it.
On November 18 2011 05:00 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 04:58 wherebugsgo wrote: I think Nisani should probably die at some point. Preferably tomorrow. Why? and lets focus on today for now.
Read his posts, and look at when he enters the thread. His thoughts concern me, because I think almost all of them are wrong. What's weird is that he's voted Drazerk, which might suggest Drazerk isn't scum.
Indeed, look also at how he never substantiates any of his votes. He has a vote on Forumite, Palmar, Drazerk, and he had one on Kenpachi. None of these votes are substantiated and town Nisani usually tries to say something about a person before simply voting them. He also tries to get other people to agree with him and gets mad when people don't.
When I was scum in MLP, for example, he just tunneled me and refused to see anything else. He was right, and he kept providing reasons for me being scum. But, in this game, he's just floating by under the radar while adding to the mess by voting people for no reason.
We can't let people get away with that. We need to pressure them and ask them why they are doing that.
Unfortunately the best way to do that is to vote them. I don't intend to split my vote any further, so I cannot effectively pressure all of these people. The rest of you need to pick it up and do that.
IMO if we implement a policy tomorrow such that we limit the votes to two per person, we'll see less distraction and more cohesion. Indeed, if anyone begins to randomly vote without cause tomorrow I'm going to be incredibly suspicious. There is nothing more we can do today, since the day is almost over.
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The fact that we consider Kenpachi and Lanaia the "primary focus" is simply evidence that town is very disorganized.
Kenpachi has been lynched, now we move on. As has been stated multiple times, we must leave Lanaia to a later day because we need to see Kenpachi's flip. If kenpachi flips scum then we need to kill Lanaia tomorrow. That's all we can conclude about that. If Kenpachi flips town then we treat Lanaia like any other player, but simply one who made a mistake at a weird time of day.
The disorganization stems from the fact that people consider Hiroruby a good lynch today. People are voting with very minimal reasoning and generally bad logic. We're still talking about lynching lurkers when someone is already dead.
At this point a lurker lynch is a waste of a lynch, since we have at least 3 people who aren't lurking but are excellent lynches. Namely, chaoser, bum, Drazerk.
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Well technically Kenpachi isn't dead yet, but hammered.
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On November 18 2011 05:28 Nisani201 wrote: WBG you are so wrong... I provided a reason for every single one my votes.
Okay, I think I understand now.
On November 17 2011 08:55 Nisani201 wrote: Just read through the thread. A lot of shit is going down.
But most of it is irrelevant. Kenpachi is not irrelevant. He should die.
##Vote: Kenpachi
That's not a reason. "Kenpachi is irrelevant therefore he should die" is not a reason for him being scum.
On November 17 2011 10:02 Nisani201 wrote: Palmar needs to get lynched. His case against chaoser is stupid, and he has barely been doing anything throughout this game. His vote on Lanaia is also scummy.
##Vote: Palmar
That sounds like a reason, but actually it's just bull. Completely unsubstantiated.
On November 17 2011 02:16 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 00:55 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 00:53 Nisani201 wrote: OK, one bullshit case is bad enough. But two?
Enough with the FoS. Forumite is scum.
##Vote: Forumite Which case is bullshit mr. Nisani201? Both of them are bullshit. First we have this case against LSB, which I already mentioned: Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 20:44 Forumite wrote:/confirm On November 15 2011 16:12 LSB wrote:On November 15 2011 15:49 DCLXVI wrote:damn I forgot people post while I'm in the middle of writing posts... ugh On November 15 2011 14:55 LSB wrote:On November 15 2011 14:19 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On November 15 2011 12:55 LSB wrote: come to think about it, that does seem like a nice icebreaker. So everyone! How about lets talk about how you think mafia should be played, the importance of blues, what should we do with lurkers, and what majority lynch means. LAL?For your point on LAL, unless I have misread the OP, we only know what abilities are possible, not which are actually in the game, how they may have been combined into roles, nor how many of the role there may be. So, unless we have a cop of some variety, I don't know how you intend to find liars in this game. So were you just stating that as a general "in mafia games" rule, or did you have something in mind for this game in particular? I'd be interested in hearing how you intend to determine the liars given the setup. Lying will come up and you will be able to recognize it. The most prominent example is fake claims. So LAL means no fake claims. + Show Spoiler +Or it means don't get caught lying. + Show Spoiler +Kenpachi's green claim would be an example of a potentially acceptable lie (if he is blue) as this early in the game any claims are meaningless So what is your position on Kenpachi claiming townie? At first you say LAL, but then lying can be acceptable in certain situations, such as kenpachi is blue. Then you say that his claim is meaningless as it is too early in the game. Does that make his post spam/intentionally distracting? Surely he is a good enough player to realize the importance of his claim. Can you explain your opinions on the subject rather than just post vague generalizations. Is kenpachi's claim worth analyzing/what does it mean? Wtf does this mean? Are you saying you are taking Kenpachi seriously? Stop talking hypotheticals, iirc you've played with Kenpachi before. Even if you have not you can go through his posts and figure out how he plays. In addition you've played before so you know how TL mafia is in the first few hours. I honestly don't see how I´m going to step in here. DCLXVI allready caught this and posted before me, but I don´t think my reason for noticing has been discussed. Okay, to me it looks like this; LSB wants us to Lynch All Liars. Kenpachi claimed Townie, but LSB doesn´t want us to take the Kenpachi claim seriously. My problem here is that either Kenpachi lied, or he just told Scum not to nightkill him, because it would be no use. If we are going to go by the LAL policy, then either Kenpachi lied or acted Pro-Scum, so why should we back off? Kenpachi does this every game, then we can ignore his claim, but what I don´t agree with is LSB promoting LAL wanting to ignore the claim, even if it is meta. It took him about 5 posts to go back on his own policy of Lynch All Liars. If Kenpachi lied (or play Pro-Scum), why does LSB then defend him after his first policy post? FoS LSBAs for lynching 1-2 lurkers and 1-2 scum, sounds reasonable, I think we should stay at about that number for now. We need to be carefull about lynching, not just because of the consequences in the setup, but if we find 5 players who seem connected, then it´s better to lynch 1-2 and see if they are scum, than lynching all 5 at once and kill 5 innocent townies at once. And then we have this: Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 22:48 Forumite wrote:On November 16 2011 22:09 xsksc wrote:On November 16 2011 21:42 Forumite wrote:On November 15 2011 14:13 xsksc wrote: This is my first proper mafia game, just finished a newbie mini-game the other day. GLHF Everyone!:D Just found this little gem. Looks like a typical newbie scumpost. His filter suggest the same. FoS: xsksc Sorry, what? I posted this before the game even got going, I was breaking the ice and being friendly, what is scummy about it? It IS my first real mafia game, I'm excited about it. Several others have said it's their first game too. Can you enlighten me, why do you think it's a newbie scumpost? No, the game had allready started. You confirmed getting your role first of all players, then when people got going with discussing policy, you dropped the above post. During 2 hours people had been talking about policy, and even dropped a few weird posts that have since been called out, so the game had definetly started. And about which part is scummy about it? Everything! You excuse yourself as a new player, thereby lowering our expectations on your contribution in the game, making way for future lurking. It´s an empty icebreaker, full of forced enthusiasm. The message of the post is "I´m trying to help but will probably fail". Is that the kind of player we are going to rely on in this game, or someone who will be left until the end because noone will bother to shoot him? He is pressuring them based on bullshit cases. ------------ In regards to chaoser, I don't think that Palmar's analysis has enough evidence to prove him guilty. Just because it's Palmar doesn't mean that we can't look at his analysees objectively.
When Palmar asked you "what case is bullshit" you just picked the two and said they're bullshit.
You didn't say why. You didn't point out anything that seemed fabricated. You just said they're bullshit. Real convincing, dude.
On November 18 2011 01:58 Nisani201 wrote: I just read through Drazerk's filter. He has been jumping on bandwagons and supporting bad lynches this whole game.
Seriously, why aren't more people voting for him?
##Vote: Drazerk
This one makes you a hypocrite, since you also voted Kenpachi.
The problem is that both you and Drazerk look terrible, and neither of you has amazing town play. Drazerk is straight up bad as town (no offense, Drazerk you defended yourself by saying that lol).
I'd rather vote you over Drazerk right now since you seem to be soft-defending chaoser at every turn, and I don't like chaoser right now.
So, you need to die.
##unvote Drazerk ##vote Nisani201
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As in, after the day is over...lol.
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On November 18 2011 08:03 Palmar wrote: Insanity laughs under pressure we're cracking Can't we give ourselves one more chance Why can't we give love that one more chance Why can't we give love give love give love give love give love give love give love give love give love 'Cause love's such an old fashioned word And love dares you to care for The people on the edge of the night And loves dares you to change our way of Caring about ourselves This is our last dance This is our last dance This is ourselves Under pressure
##Vote Bumatlarge ##Vote Nisani201 ##Vote chaoser ##Vote Lemonwalrus
##Unvote Drazerk ##Unvote Coagulation
I agree with every vote in this post.
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On November 18 2011 08:21 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 18 2011 08:03 Palmar wrote: Insanity laughs under pressure we're cracking Can't we give ourselves one more chance Why can't we give love that one more chance Why can't we give love give love give love give love give love give love give love give love give love 'Cause love's such an old fashioned word And love dares you to care for The people on the edge of the night And loves dares you to change our way of Caring about ourselves This is our last dance This is our last dance This is ourselves Under pressure
##Vote Bumatlarge ##Vote Nisani201 ##Vote chaoser ##Vote Lemonwalrus
##Unvote Drazerk ##Unvote Coagulation I agree with every vote in this post. Didn't you say we need to consolidate our votes and focus on one or two people though? Don't you feel like this is a bit much considering that?
I said we should consolidate till the end of the day; if you remember, I said in the last 24 hours we need to begin voting the most suspicious people.
The first half of day 1 was basically wasted, since no one built any cases. So now when we're trying to lynch several people we have no choice but to go after those who have seeded the most disorganization. Palmar and I focused on chaoser but that was basically pissed away by people continually calling the cases bad.
IMO Nisani and chaoser are pretty connected. Bum is incredibly scummy. Lemon is suspicious to me as well. Those are my top four suspicions as of now.
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Drazerk will make a better lynch tomorrow, once we see these flips.
Today, chaoser, nisani, and bum need to die. If any of those flip town then we need to heavily reconsider Drazerk+Coag.
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Nisani your defense is terrible and you are pushing bad lynches.
Notice how no one agrees with you, other than perhaps Drazerk? Yeah, that's cause you don't have a case on Forumite. Your vote on him is bad.
Drazerk is a bad lynch today too, for the simple reason that he's just been cocky. People are trying to use LaL to lynch him, which is honestly hilarious.
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On November 18 2011 08:30 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 08:29 wherebugsgo wrote: Drazerk will make a better lynch tomorrow, once we see these flips.
Today, chaoser, nisani, and bum need to die. If any of those flip town then we need to heavily reconsider Drazerk+Coag. Why is Coagulation suspicious again?
I'm not going to bother answering you anymore, since it's clear you're not reading the thread.
Consider yourself ignored.
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You're all going to completely ignore nisani's OMGUS on me? lololol
He's just flailing around at this point.
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On November 18 2011 09:35 Zephirdd wrote: As we approach the end of the day, I've decided to take a look at the top-voted person: sinani206.
There isn't much to say from him; he's being extremely unhelpful and difficult to read. If we are going for a second lynch today, either him or Drazerk would be the obvious choices; Drazerk mostly because I am interested on those "I'm unlynchable" claims.
Back to sinani, he isn't helping when pressured either: he is never defending himself; and that I dislike a lot.
##Vote: sinani206
Again, I'll possibly have very low activity on day 2 due to the MLG and the fact that I'll travel for a Barcraft \o/ I'll try to catch up when I'm back(hopefully at night 2), but I apologize in advance for my absence.
Cheers!
Reconsider your vote for a bit because sinani is always like that.
Look carefully at bum/chaoser/nisani201, specifically the last one.
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So?
We already lynched a lurker today. Leave sinani till tomorrow, he's not playing any different than he normally does as town. When he's scum he lurks so hardcore he doesn't even post.
It's funny you use the "he's not reading the thread" logic to further your case on sinani when you don't do the same with nisani. Matter of convenience, chaoser?
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Also I didn't ask anyone to lynch kenpachi. You derps did that by yourselves.
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