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TEAM RED21
We are the inquisition. We are the eyes of the emperor. Tremble Heretics and Traitors, for your time is at hand
So, I've spent the last day or so, reading through people's meta and trying to figure out alignments in an attempt to give us a good lynch. As I've said, I'm not happy with the sandroba lynch, so I decided to try to find actual scum, and lo and behold, I think I have, in our good friends, kitaman and redFF. Sure lurky mclurky team Nipple needs to step up their game, but knowing RoL's scum style I'm tempted to believe he is legitimately occupied, rather than deliberately lurking.
Anyway, this will be a two for one deal, two players, two different analysis.
So, lets start with the xeno scum, kita:
Part 1: The Xenos: Kitaman27
That, ladies and gentlemen is the face of the enemy. Purge it with fire and steel
So, kitaman, let's talk about him. For the convenience of the lazy, here is his filter. Lets look at the salient features of his scum play and his town play in other games, and compare it to his behavior this game.
From reading TL Mafia XXXIX- a few heuristics seem to crop up, in particular kita displays the following behaviors:
1.) Has no hesitation defending his buddy from preassure 2.) Shows a particular focus on pressuring lurkers 3.) Looks for "scummy" contradictions where there are none, and for shifts in meta that don't actually prove anything
This is further corroborated by his behavior in personality mafia where kita
1.) Argues easy pro town stances (don't lurk, don't troll) 2.) Calls out lurkers
These stances are in direct contraposition to his behavior in Dr.H's Haunted Mini and in PTP2, where kita focuses not on lurkers (despite there being several), but keeping the town focused on finding scum, going as far as dragging up suspects and moving the town away from discussing the puzzles, since that allows mafia to blend in easily. Thus we can conclude that when kita is scum, he focuses on a style that allows him to blend in seamlessly with the town, by pretending to contribute, and occasionally pushing easy lynches and finding "contradictions" and "tells" not actually backed by scum motives. Keeping this in mind, we should examine his posts this game, and see what his behavior is like, watching out for three things
1.) Kita going for "low hanging fruit" in the form of "tells" 2.) Kita trying to appear contributory by discussing "pro-town" things that don't allow us to actually find scum, like say, lurkers 3.) Kita not making an active effort to scumhunt or find a reasonable lynch suspect.
That in mind, let us look at this post
On November 03 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote: Also, we've all read our role pms. New discussion topic please. This is a wonderful post on two fronts: it seems pro-town as it looks to move away from a terrible topic of discussion, but doesn't offer an alternative. If kita wasn't on your radar yet, this post should have put him on there. Notice how he also doesn't come up with an opinion on the person proposing the plan, or propose another topic of discussion, he simply says "move on". This is a post that contributes without contributing, it shoots down a terrible plan, yes, but it does so with out adding anything to the discussion, or telling us anything about kita or those proposing the plan.
Next is the wonderful situation where kita tries to gather information on my stance on team viking, which is by itself a null tell, other than considering it took him a while to express his opinion (that team viking is town), and that he never provides very solid reasons for his opinion. Still that is relatively forgivable, as there is no inherent town or scum motivation behind those actions.
And then we reach the real gem, the post I was just *waiting* for, a post taking a null tell and spinning it to kita's advantage. The post in question is quoted below
On November 04 2011 03:44 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 02:43 GMarshal wrote: your suggestion of no-lynching to "prolong the game" is retarded. Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:40 GMarshal wrote: I can understand Kurumi pushing this anti-town idiocy Since when does town GM bully people around like this? There are several things of note in this post, first is the fact that this fits kita's scum meta perfectly, he is going for the "low hanging fruit", finding something that is not in any way an indicator of alignment and spinning it as such. This is *exactly* what happened when kita "caught" redtooth lying about having smurfed in other mafia games in the past, he took a completely irrelevant piece of data and tried to spin it in such a way as to discredit and throw suspicion on a townie. Furthermore there is the lack of an actual case being built around this, if kita thinks I am scum (and this post seems to indicate that), why isn't he pushing for my lynch? Possibly because its not an easy lynch?
Then we get all of kita's wonderful attempts at directing attention at lurkers, you know, exactly what he did in XXXIX, frankly lurkers are another example of low hanging fruit, I have no issue with calling them out, every so often, but its something town kita doesn't do. You can see his newfound interest in non-contributors in this post, this post and this post. This fascination is not normal for kitaman. Its another attempt at buying town credit without having to work for it.
Then there are the math posts. Deary me I love the math posts
On November 04 2011 03:59 kitaman27 wrote:7v2 Mislynch 5v2 Mislynch 3v2 LYLO 7v2 No lynch 6v2 No lynch 5v2 Mislynch 3v2 LYLO Essentially we are trading 1 mislynch for 48 hours of disccusion, during which nobody is threatened because they know there won't be a lynch. The odds of hitting scum statistically are unfavorable every day. That doesn't mean you don't try. Show nested quote +I will do my part to ensure we no lynch today, unless someone comes up if a more convincing case Or you could try to come up with a more convincing case yourself. We agree the prpl one is bad, how about the other 6 teams? Do you know why scum, love setup discussion? Because playing with numbers is easier than scumhunting! The fact that he goes back and does all these statistics, by itself, doesn't mean much, but in conjunction with the rest of his behavior its easy to see that he is just buying credit. Also interesting is that he takes the least controversial position, supporting lynching, and only after two other people have decided to support it. Certainly not hogging the spotlight, that's for sure.
On November 04 2011 05:18 kitaman27 wrote: Blues are a nice safety net, but it really doesn't benefit us that much to base our gameplan around them by no-lynching.
First the jailer has to block the correct shooter, then the jailer has to consider that a doctor could have prevented the shot or that the mafia decided not to shoot, then the jailer has to decide whether he roleblocked a mafia or protected a town, then the jailer has to sucessfully push his case in the thread.
Parity cop has to survive to day three to be of any use. Assuming worse case scenario where we mislynch the first two days: There is a 1/9 chance he gets lynched day one. A 2/6 chance he gets discovered or shot night one. A 1/7 chance he gets lynched day two. A 1/3 chance he gets shot night two.
Which is only about a 10% sucess rate (correct me if I made a mistake here).
Going with a double no lynch increases the survival rate of the parity cop slightly, but it really doesn't seem worth giving up a lynch in exchange.
Again, more math, when we have already established why no-lynching is bad, kita feels the urge to keep discussing it, rather than moving on, having already made his point, he does more math, because it looks good to have huge posts that "prove" your pro-town stance.
And then there is this post:
On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote: Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now. Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy. At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with. 1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS 3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU 4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE 5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID 7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD 8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND
Dear god, this post. Lets he calls out lurkers, and posts that he thinks that 6/8 other people might be scum. Wow, what a wonderful contribution! How *useful*, especially when it includes such brilliant justifications. This is essentially kita publishing a list of two town reads, for no real reason, and lo and behold! Its another long, worthless post, that doesn't directly accuse anyone of being scum! It doesn't even point out why any of those might be scum. No townie with his head screwed on straight would post this. Kita is experienced enough to know that this is a terrible post, and I cannot ascribe any town motivation to writing it. Its a clear and blatant attempt at contributing without contributing.
Where are posts like
On August 07 2011 06:42 kitaman27 wrote: Oh wow didn't realize the voting ended mid-day. Good thing I checked back in time. Are people around? I'm not sure I like the three main candidates. Do we have enough votes to switch to someone like Curu if necessary? He is promoting a policy lynch, without much explanation, and has put little effort compared to what I'm used to.
##Vote Curu from haunted mini, where kita actually takes stances and calls out people for being scum? Nowhere to be found, all we can find here are "suspicions" and little else, with a lot of "contributions" that don't actually say anything.
Ladies and gentlemen, as can be clearly seen, kita is farming town rep without actually contributing anything, he is managing to *look* helpful, while happily not accusing anyone really and picking low hanging fruit in the form of pushing non-tells and lurkers. This man cares not for lynching scum, he just wants to look pro-town.
Kitaman is scum, a xenos and a moral threat against the empire of man. Do not allow him to live
Part 2: The Heretic, RedFF
The enemy in our midst. To tolerate his existence is blasphemy. To allow him his life unthinkable
Ah, redFF, my friend, how you have fallen. Once again, as with all good analysis, let us take a look back at past games, and compare and contrast the behavioral differences between redFF and greenFF. For my baseline scum game I will be using BC's Arkham Asylum. For his town behavior I will be using Personality Mafia and Resurrection Mafia. First of all, what does RedFF do as town?1.) He actively scumhunts, through analysis and pressuring 2.) He participates in discussion and contributes actively 3.) He questions everything While he has a bunch of annoying spammy posts, in general he also contribute his thoughts and actively seeks out scum. He basically behaves as the quintessential transparent townie
As scum however, his behavior is the exact opposite, he sticks to generalities (using clues to scumhunt is bad, lurking is bad, etc), he generally posts a lot of useless spam, that makes him seem active, yet never actually adds anything to discussion. He occasionally defends townies and if pushed will indicate a single target as "scum" with shoddy reasoning.
So basically what we are looking for with redFF are not indications that he is scum, but rather a lack of indications that he is town. That is, if he is not active and helpful then he is almost guaranteed to be scum. That said, lets look at his filter. Anything jump out at you? Any great analytically posts? Any attempts at finding mafia?
Look hard, because there are none. Where are posts like this? Nowhere to be seen. Or posts like this seeking to guide the town?
Nowhere, there are none. The closest to an "accusation" that redFF manages to produce this game is
On November 04 2011 10:08 redFF wrote: gmarshal is still mafia!
with no analysis, no support, no leadership, nothing. All redFF has done is spew garbage. Oh, right and OMGUS with this gem
On November 04 2011 11:23 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote: Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now. Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy. At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with. 1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS 3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU 4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE 5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID 7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD 8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND lol @ this, kita names 2/3 of the player base as being possible scum and then doesn't explain why he conveniently excludes Forumite+prpl and Greymist+super. I mean, really, what is your point? Why are prpl+forumite not possible scum? Or Grey+super? For all we know, you could be scum. This "information" you provide is utterly useless. hes just giving his reads. its funny that this is the first time you've attacked us and its just after decon fos'd us. scum. ##unvote ##Vote wherebugsgo
Once again, no reasoning, no support, just garbage. No comments on the no lynch situation other than "lol, no", without actually backing up why he thinks this, or providing an alternate avenue of discussion. This ridiculous trolling and lack of any effort or contribution is the exact opposite of how a somewhat annoying yet constructive town RedFF plays.
Post like this are just entirely absent. RedFF isn't contributing because he is scum, and has no motivation to do so.
RedFF is a foul heretic and a traitor and must meet his swift demise. Now.
TL:DR
Kitaman is scum, becuse he fails toreally contribute, instead hiding behind apparent contributions, this lines up with his scum meta. Kita is simply failing to push his usual town objectives and actively hunt scum, and is instead fostering suspicion and being unhelpful
RedFF is playing an anti-town spammy style that is entirely unlike his contributory, transparent, spammy, town style. This somewhat matches his scum play, and is a clear indication that he is obviously not a townie, since he doesn't care what happens to the town.
Team Red21 reeks of corruption and evil and needs to die, before they manage to taint this thread any further
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Death to the heretics, traitors, mutants and Xenos!
##Unvote: Team Viking ##Vote: Team Red21
~High Inquisitor GMarshal, of the Ordo Malleus.
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On November 05 2011 00:15 supersoft wrote: hmm these 1 big fat accusationpost out of the nowhere always seem strange to me. I prefer the dialogues over these walls of text. That's why i struggeled to vote Team SS, although iGroks points points seemed reasonable to me, i was a little bit suspicious because of the sudden appearance of this wall of text. Same thing with GM... This post does not compute.
I've read it three times, and I still don't get it. What is wrong with long analysis? Isn't that how you play mafia?
Are you saying you disagree with my analysis? If so, why? If not why hasn't your vote moved yet?
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Wow kita, you completely fail to address the majority of my points, while focusing on the nitpicking, great job!
No, I'm keeping the pictures, because I like them. I also like the fluff, if it bothers you, deal with it. The references to the old games are providing a contrast and a meta to compare you with, you know, so people have something to weigh your actions against?
Addressing your "defense" in nice bold blue text
On November 05 2011 00:30 kitaman27 wrote:First off, remove the pictures, flavor fluff, and irrelevent references to old games and that post would be much easier to read. Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:40 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote: Also, we've all read our role pms. New discussion topic please. This is a wonderful post on two fronts: it seems pro-town as it looks to move away from a terrible topic of discussion, but doesn't offer an alternative. If kita wasn't on your radar yet, this post should have put him on there. Notice how he also doesn't come up with an opinion on the person proposing the plan, or propose another topic of discussion, he simply says "move on". This is a post that contributes without contributing, it shoots down a terrible plan, yes, but it does so with out adding anything to the discussion, or telling us anything about kita or those proposing the plan. On the contrary I'm trying to prevent "contributing without contributing". People were discussing an irrelevant plan that was impossible to carry out at this point in the game and I didn't like where discussion was headed. I'm not trying to label that as a "contribution". If you really want to look at a "contributing without contributing" post, just look at your reaper post that you started the game off with. Yet you didn't offer another outlet for discussion, which is what I take issue with. Town kita would have given something else to work with, if just an accusation or a push against a player, you just said "lol, no" and left it at that, "lol, no, but...." is pro-town, "lol no." is anti-town. Don't muddle the issue. Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:40 GMarshal wrote:And then we reach the real gem, the post I was just *waiting* for, a post taking a null tell and spinning it to kita's advantage. The post in question is quoted below On November 04 2011 03:44 kitaman27 wrote:On November 04 2011 02:43 GMarshal wrote: Truly this is a Kurumi plan. On November 04 2011 02:43 GMarshal wrote: your suggestion of no-lynching to "prolong the game" is retarded. On November 04 2011 03:40 GMarshal wrote: I can understand Kurumi pushing this anti-town idiocy Since when does town GM bully people around like this? There are several things of note in this post, first is the fact that this fits kita's scum meta perfectly, he is going for the "low hanging fruit", finding something that is not in any way an indicator of alignment and spinning it as such. This is *exactly* what happened when kita "caught" redtooth lying about having smurfed in other mafia games in the past, he took a completely irrelevant piece of data and tried to spin it in such a way as to discredit and throw suspicion on a townie. Furthermore there is the lack of an actual case being built around this, if kita thinks I am scum (and this post seems to indicate that), why isn't he pushing for my lynch? Possibly because its not an easy lynch? You were mocking kurumi and calling his ideas retarded and idiotic. I didn't like that. Don't try to warp this as a scum agenda. No, you made a veiled accusation calling me scum and didn't push on it. You weren't saying "gm, be nice" or anything like that, you were implying that I was scum. Without going out and saying it. That's also not town behavior, if you thought my meta indicated I wouldn't do that as town, you should have elaborated, if you wanted me to back off, you should have said it. Instead you go with a veiled accusation. That's called seeding suspicion. Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:40 GMarshal wrote: Also interesting is that he takes the least controversial position, supporting lynching, and only after two other people have decided to support it. Certainly not hogging the spotlight, that's for sure. Huh? I supported lynch because that was the correct decision. I saw a plan I didn't like and I argued against it. I'm not sure what you mean about only after two other people have decided to support it. I'm posting at the same time you are, not that its relavent. The math was setup discussion. I'm not claiming it as a sign that I'm town, I'm just sharing my opinion. As I said, scum love setup discussion. Its interesting that this is the only place you show a strong opinionShow nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:40 GMarshal wrote: Dear god, this post. Lets he calls out lurkers, and posts that he thinks that 6/8 other people might be scum. Wow, what a wonderful contribution! How *useful*, especially when it includes such brilliant justifications. This is essentially kita publishing a list of two town reads, for no real reason, and lo and behold! Its another long, worthless post, that doesn't directly accuse anyone of being scum! It doesn't even point out why any of those might be scum. No townie with his head screwed on straight would post this. Kita is experienced enough to know that this is a terrible post, and I cannot ascribe any town motivation to writing it. Its a clear and blatant attempt at contributing without contributing. You're the third person to attempt to twist my post as scummy. We need to consolidate the lynch. I posted which teams I would be unwilling to vote for based upon my town reads. I'm confident that the 2 scum teams are within the 6 teams I listed. That was 24 hours into the game. You know well enough that day one is about searching for town. I'm sharing my opinion and attempting to push the lynch away from those I see in a good light. You know better than this. You never, ever post "I think this guy is town" or even imply it, as that makes them targets, instead you pick your top three scum candidates and push them. even if behind the scenes you are town hunting. You know this, you've played enough games. You were trying to make a filler post, no bones about it. Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:40 GMarshal wrote: Kitaman is scum, becuse he fails toreally contribute, instead hiding behind apparent contributions, this lines up with his scum meta. Kita is simply failing to push his usual town objectives and actively hunt scum, and is instead fostering suspicion and being unhelpful Here is what I've done so far: -The very first thing I did was random vote the newbie in an attempt to generate discussion and gauge a reaction. Nulltell! Why do you even bother to bring this up?-I respond to you accusation of team viking that they are deliberately derailing town. You respond "look at their filter" and I continue to press you to provide a valid reason, which you ultimately drop. nulltell/easy contribution! "pushing" is easy giving opinions is hard-I argue against the "no-lynch plan" because it doesn't benefit town. I argue against the "follow the blue" plan because it doesn't benefit town. uhuh, already covered this-I push several players who promise to contribute later on to share their ideas. how is this a contribution? Promises are easy to make, watch "I promise to buy you a pony!", see easy! Pushing people is *also* easy-I develop two town reads and share that I'm not willing to lynch them bad play, not something I think you would do as town. Town reads are rather... easy to gather as scum, no?I'm at work at the moment, but during lunch I'll take another read of the thread. prp/forumite, what exactly is "good" about GM's case?
So your contributions boil down to "I haven't contributed anything! Accused anyone of being scum or done anything remotely pro-town! I also ignore all the meta arguments, since I have no defense!" Congratulations, you *still* have to contribute any reads other than your town reads (lol), best of all your defense is incredibly convenient in that it ignores the points you consider inconvenient.
You are scum. Sure as day.
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On November 05 2011 00:37 supersoft wrote: @gm, what do you think of the sandro case? i think it's still good, sevs replacement doesnt change anything there. he was irrelevant for me... i need a few minutes to filter kita and red and look up the old games. I think its ridiculous, scum wouldn't stick their neck out there like sandroba just did, much less in a majority game where an overeger mob is likely to get excited and lightning lynch someone who proposes a plan that looks anti-town. I very much doubt sandroba is scum at this time.
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On November 05 2011 00:51 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 23:21 GMarshal wrote: As scum however, his behavior is the exact opposite, he sticks to generalities (using clues to scumhunt is bad, lurking is bad, etc), he generally posts a lot of useless spam, that makes him seem active, yet never actually adds anything to discussion. He occasionally defends townies and if pushed will indicate a single target as "scum" with shoddy reasoning.
there are no clues in this game, i haven't talked about lurking once. i haven't defended anyone and i have had scumreads on you and wbg this game, and also team SS (which ill get to) Show nested quote +So basically what we are looking for with redFF are not indications that he is scum, but rather a lack of indications that he is town. That is, if he is not active and helpful then he is almost guaranteed to be scum. That said, lets look at his filter. Anything jump out at you? Any great analytically posts? Any attempts at finding mafia? Show nested quote + RedFF is playing an anti-town spammy style that is entirely unlike his contributory, transparent, spammy, town style. This somewhat matches his scum play, and is a clear indication that he is obviously not a townie, since he doesn't care what happens to the town.
i counter you with PYP interesting, i am in a hydra with ON I think its fairly obvious who is posting what. i was town. also PTP2both games im town, both games i post spammy one liners. Contrary to your belief GM, you don't need to post page long walls of bullshit to be town. NOW HERE'S SOMETHING INTERESTING Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 23:38 deconduo wrote:On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote: Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now. Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy. At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with. 1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS 3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU 4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE 5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID 7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD 8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND redFF posting one liners instead of contributing is scummy. You posting one liners and setup fillers without contributing is scummy. You calling out other people to step while doing nothing yourself is scummy. Even this post is another piece of meaningless drivel. Instead of saying 'I think team x and y are town' you try and fluff out the post to make it seem like more content than a one liner. However its still just a one liner. Vote: Team Red21 GM posts long fos, decon sheeps it with no original thought, decon attempts to start shitty bandwagon on a townie to save his scummy ass from being lynched. ##Unvote ##Vote Team SS Please continue to misrepresent my arguments, it just solidifies the case. I know you spam, but when you are town you also usually contribute. You know, what I wrote in my huge ass argument, about how even though you spam you also give insight and reads, you contribute. Yes, contributing that thing you have failed to do all game long?
Only scum wait till they are actively threatened to start contributing. This is almost exactly what happened in Arkham, you were accused and wham, suddenly you have a bunch more contributory posts! I'm not saying you are scum for defending yourself. I'm merely saying you are scum defending himself.
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On November 05 2011 01:03 redFF wrote: ah, so i can't defend myself Not really well not from not having contributed at all.
What you *can* do is offer an alternate lynch, with good supporting arguments!
That would go a long way towards remedying the whole "hasn't done anything all game long" argument.
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On November 05 2011 01:04 redFF wrote: gm you ignored my examples aswell as what i said about team ss Because it only came up now, when I have you on the chopping block. Too little too late. Why didn't you share these earlier? The fact that I had to call you scum in a massive post and get two votes on you before you gave anything says you don't really care about the town, only about your own neck.
As far a PYP:I goes, your shared smurf has some decent posts, so I can also truthfully say you contributed there. What you can't do is say "obviously all the bad posts were mine" because that is unverifiable, its impossible to know which posts were yours and which ON's. At worst it has to be ignored, at best it supports my arguments.
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On November 05 2011 01:05 redFF wrote: in fact after filtering you i notice you haven't said a thing about team SS, the team leading in votes, all game. SCUMPARTNERS MUCH?
I said "I don't think sandroba is scum" several times. Learn to read.
Lovely reaction to being accused though. He accuses me "HE MUST BE SCUM".
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Ok dokie lokie, I'm done arguing with you two. The case has been established, you've defended yourselves, and anything more we have to say to each other is going to be "NO YOU"
I want to hear what other people think of the case, especially supersoft, who I have my eye on and radfeild who usually shows solid judgement.
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On November 05 2011 01:14 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 01:09 GMarshal wrote:On November 05 2011 01:04 redFF wrote: gm you ignored my examples aswell as what i said about team ss Because it only came up now, when I have you on the chopping block. Too little too late. Why didn't you share these earlier? The fact that I had to call you scum in a massive post and get two votes on you before you gave anything says you don't really care about the town, only about your own neck. As far a PYP:I goes, your shared smurf has some decent posts, so I can also truthfully say you contributed there. What you can't do is say "obviously all the bad posts were mine" because that is unverifiable, its impossible to know which posts were yours and which ON's. At worst it has to be ignored, at best it supports my arguments. holy crap you're now lying scum. and you ignored ptp ... Ok, last post I'm replying to before leaving this to the tender mercies of everyone else:
Are you seriously saying posts like
On May 31 2011 06:01 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:59 sandroba wrote: EBWODP: That should have read we policy lynch ANYONE who claims without valuable information or lies about their role. I generally don't like policy lynches, because there are always special circumstances. LAL fine though, you don't need to state it at the beginning of the thread.
On May 31 2011 06:50 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 06:48 Eternalmisfit wrote:I am assuming that the zodiac list is something akin to this idea (since I can't find anything else that is close to the zodiac list). Zodiac listA confirmation on this would be good so that I can think about who all should be include in it or not. Oh if i was mafia who would I hit? Bumatlarge and GM have both shown strong play in games i have observed/played in. BC has a reputation as a good player too. As for this game i'm getting town vibes off both bum and BC, not so much off GM(This isn't me calling him scum). If i was going to say now who i wanted protected i would say Bum and BC.
On May 31 2011 08:13 redFF wrote:I'm happy people started to call out Varpulis, especially experienced players, as his posting doesn't sit too well with me. Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 06:10 Varpulis wrote:On May 31 2011 06:07 bumatlarge wrote:On May 31 2011 06:03 Varpulis wrote: BloodyC0bbler's plan is good for the first day, but we shouldn't play this game based off of who's on the "town list" and who's not. Protect the valuable, active players day 1, investigate the dudes with ulterior motives. I'd like to keep the kills to a minimum for the first few days. Save your bullets, guys. I'm not loving your posting so far bro. General sweeping obvious statements. I think you'll be joining my scum list very soon, and in case I need to remind you in (order for me to beef up this post with content-less blabber) I play this game based off my scum list Come at me bro. Would you rather I not post at all? He made a valid point and you told him to come at you? I don't see why a town player would do this. No he doesn't want you to stop posting. He wants you to stop posting bad, pointless stuff. Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:56 Varpulis wrote: mafia has plenty of KP. You can be sure of that. There's no way every single scum got a non-kp role. I wouldn't be too surprised to see some 3rd party roles though. This is weird, I'm not so sure we can be sure mafia has plenty of kp. Also saying you wouldn't be surprised if you saw some 3rd party roles when the OP says they are a distinct possibility is kind of weird and unnecessary. Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:00 GMarshal wrote:On May 31 2011 04:58 Varpulis wrote: role and alignment recieved. Decon still hasn't told me where the quicktopic is though... Number one scum tell making "jokes" about your alignment! #1 scumspect Varp! I know this was said jokingly but i think GM might have a point. I don't think I would make a joke like that as town. Could be nothing i guess. (All from PTP) Were not contributions? Because they certainly look like contributions to me. Face it, no game where you are town are you this deliberately unhelpful. By exclusion, you are not town. Now quickly produce a case, I want to see who you consider scum enough to lynch today. Who knows, maybe it will be enough to save you!
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On November 05 2011 01:48 redFF wrote: nice try though Oh, you mean posts like
On July 25 2011 10:44 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 10:42 Curu wrote: Anyways I'm going out for a bit. I don't understand why the initial reaction to my plan was UR SCUM so if anyone cares to point out why knowing everyone's roles and being able to see which powers were used in an Anti Town manner and who has those powers is super harmful to Town I'd like to enlightened.
Don't give that blue sniping BS, every Townie is a blue this game and Mafia already know what several of the powers are. Pure simple DT-type roles are also very unlikely considering deconduo encouraged interesting and whacky ones. Because scum can see which roles threaten them and block/shoot accordingly...Plus mafia could call out people for fake-claiming and possibly fake claim themselves. Analysis wins games not roles!
On July 25 2011 11:59 redFF wrote: Give it to sandroba, from his reaction to having the stick and not sneakily giving it to his mafia team member and not telling the thread, I have him as town or mafia but not with jackal or ON. Give it back to sandroba, the less kp the better. On July 25 2011 14:43 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 14:36 youngminii wrote: It's not the randomisation thing, it's the "VOLDEMORT HAS DISGUISED HIMSELF AS TOWN"
I wrote that in caps because half the people posting seem to have completely missed that. It could just be like You are harry potter and you know he who must not be named is evil and a douche and scary and a snake man but somehow he has become part of town, MUST BE A DISGUISE!!! So i wouldn't necessarily say that Jackal lied while doing that. That said, it's the best evidence we have so far and I would be fine with a Jackal lynch. I think the stuff that someone brought up about Drazerk was the most damning evidence though. Ima wait for Jackal to post tommorow before i cast my vote.
On July 26 2011 03:56 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 00:39 DropBear wrote: Ok I may as well cop the penalty. Mafia now knows who shot youngminii and all his abilities so I have to come out and save him now. I made the Tim Roth role.
Supersoft is Tim Roth. He only gets one kill. His kill causes his alignment and role abilities to be PMd to everyone of the opposite alignment to him. I didn't get that PM so supersoft is now 100% confirmed to be town.
His other ability is an alignment check, which activates if you get into a 3 each quote convo with him i.e. you post, he quotes, you quote the quote until there is 3 each.
I would suggest forcing people to quote him. Not everyone at once though as it would shit up the thread something shocking. What was your penalty? Good job Supersoft, I didn't get a pm telling me tackster's alignment, was that a mistake?I'm still weary of Jackal. Behaviourally i'm not noticing anything that scummy though. I'm tired of Kurumi getting away from doing jack-shit every game and doing no analysis and just trolling so i'm voting him until something better comes up. kita-iirc he played this way early on in the first ptp and was town and a lot of people(mainly mafia) jumped on him for it to get an easy lynch, I suggest someone starts quoting supersoft though. i will do it if necesssary.
On July 26 2011 10:24 redFF wrote: Supersoft killed a mafia day 1. This is the same terrible reasoning that got palmar lynched. Let's think for a second.
Tackster is copycat and gets supersoft's role. Tackster shoots YM, if they were both scum supersoft could have just claimed the shot right? Why would Supersoft kill his scumbuddy? SS is not scum as far as im concerned.
He's asked bc to quote him so he can alignment check and BC has refused, arguing SS is untrustworthy, when SS killed a mafia day 1. SS telling us BC is scum would get BC lynched but if BC is town we would just kill SS, so that wouldn't happen. The only reason I can think BC is refusing the alignment check is because he is afraid of what he will come up as...
##Vote BC
Huh, some actually hepful posts from that game, not a bunch of one line garbage that helps no one but the mafia.
In your words, lol, nice try.
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On November 05 2011 01:53 redFF wrote: except im posting content in this game. and i'm partnered with someone else. ...
content like? The first actual contribution you make is after my accusation. Anyone can verify this with the filter button...
Or are you refering to this OMGUS
On November 04 2011 11:23 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote: Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now. Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy. At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with. 1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS 3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU 4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE 5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID 7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD 8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND lol @ this, kita names 2/3 of the player base as being possible scum and then doesn't explain why he conveniently excludes Forumite+prpl and Greymist+super. I mean, really, what is your point? Why are prpl+forumite not possible scum? Or Grey+super? For all we know, you could be scum. This "information" you provide is utterly useless. hes just giving his reads. its funny that this is the first time you've attacked us and its just after decon fos'd us. scum. ##unvote ##Vote wherebugsgo
or perhaps to
On November 04 2011 04:02 redFF wrote: an idiotic sandroba plan! ofcourse!
we are lynching today lol
maybe
On November 04 2011 03:10 redFF wrote: jesus christ lol we're lynching today.
i fear for you when RoL sees that post kurumi.
or
On November 03 2011 09:10 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:04 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:48 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:31 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote: One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. Tricky... Two posters means twice the risk of mistakes, I would have liked to say that means it´s twice as easy to find scum, but Town make stupid scumslips too. I think we´ll have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town. That doesn´t make sense. This tactic only help scum, Town don´t risk looking scummy from just knowing their role, so only scum would do this. Why are you thinking so much about a pro-scum tactic? This actually does not hinder town in any way. Since only the not-knowing person is actually posting and the other one paraphrasing, town does not lose a townie. You still have to do analysis with your teammate about all the other teams (without talking about own team), so you got all the pieces. If townie: your team actually plays as regular townie, so no harm If blue: your team plays as regular townie, so no extra eyes on you If scum: you play as town the first 2 days, you lose a lot of suspicion because of this. and then you accidentally lead the bandwagon on your godfather....
all these *wonderful* contributions, which say NOTHING about anyone around you.
Stop clutching at straws.
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On November 05 2011 01:54 kitaman27 wrote:Ok, its unfortunate that it has come to this, but we are the Parity Cop. Congrats :/ We are claiming for the following reasons:The best case scenario at this point is a no-lynch with the afk prp/forumite vote and a tunneling GM. Even if we came up with a target like chaoser, he is obviously not going to vote for himself, nor is his scum buddy, so if we want to accomplish anything today, the claim is necessary. I'd rather give up our identity than throw away a lynch. We are claiming early enough in the day that there is still time to push a lynch. As for who that should be, we are still discussing that. We don't want Team Viking, which is what team chaoser seems to be pushing. As I mentioned before, without protection and a series of mislynches, the parity cop only has about a 10% sucess rate. If there is a 66% there is a protection role in the setup, which helps our chances of staying alive. Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:30 kitaman27 wrote: I think the most important thing to probably consider
As I mentioned in the ban thread earlier, its possible for blues to breadcrumb their roles with the first post, which is what I did. It's not absolute proof of the claim, but know that the claim was prepared from the start. What we can 100% confirm is that nobody else is the parity cop. Facepalm...
Time to reconsider everything.
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On November 05 2011 01:59 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 01:56 GMarshal wrote:On November 05 2011 01:53 redFF wrote: except im posting content in this game. and i'm partnered with someone else. ... content like? The first actual contribution you make is after my accusation. Anyone can verify this with the filter button... Or are you refering to this OMGUS On November 04 2011 11:23 redFF wrote:On November 04 2011 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote: Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now. Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy. At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with. 1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS 3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU 4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE 5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID 7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD 8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND lol @ this, kita names 2/3 of the player base as being possible scum and then doesn't explain why he conveniently excludes Forumite+prpl and Greymist+super. I mean, really, what is your point? Why are prpl+forumite not possible scum? Or Grey+super? For all we know, you could be scum. This "information" you provide is utterly useless. hes just giving his reads. its funny that this is the first time you've attacked us and its just after decon fos'd us. scum. ##unvote ##Vote wherebugsgo or perhaps to On November 04 2011 04:02 redFF wrote: an idiotic sandroba plan! ofcourse!
we are lynching today lol maybe On November 04 2011 03:10 redFF wrote: jesus christ lol we're lynching today.
i fear for you when RoL sees that post kurumi. or On November 03 2011 09:10 redFF wrote:On November 03 2011 09:04 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:48 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:31 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote: One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. Tricky... Two posters means twice the risk of mistakes, I would have liked to say that means it´s twice as easy to find scum, but Town make stupid scumslips too. I think we´ll have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town. That doesn´t make sense. This tactic only help scum, Town don´t risk looking scummy from just knowing their role, so only scum would do this. Why are you thinking so much about a pro-scum tactic? This actually does not hinder town in any way. Since only the not-knowing person is actually posting and the other one paraphrasing, town does not lose a townie. You still have to do analysis with your teammate about all the other teams (without talking about own team), so you got all the pieces. If townie: your team actually plays as regular townie, so no harm If blue: your team plays as regular townie, so no extra eyes on you If scum: you play as town the first 2 days, you lose a lot of suspicion because of this. and then you accidentally lead the bandwagon on your godfather.... all these *wonderful* contributions, which say NOTHING about anyone around you. Stop clutching at straws. so the first one is a vote and an fos, the second and third ones are commenting on a plan brought forth, the fourth one points out a flaw in a plan put forward. nice try though. You just claimed, so I'm done accusing you till I reevaluate, however I could easily go through a point how each and every one of your posts says pretty much nothing , so don't push it.
Chaoser, you said you had a case on prplhz, is that forthcoming?
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On November 03 2011 08:12 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote: We will defiantly have to rely on FOSing a lot more early on in the day, rather than pressure voting like a lot of us normaly do.
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. for the first part, i totally disagree. it's not like a pressure vote will turn into a 6 hour quicklynch, and if it does, then that's not always a bad thing. I prefer this method of voting tbh, don't look at it as a negative, but as a positive! Change is fun and exciting! for the second part yes and yes. Yay, irrelevant setup discussion
On November 03 2011 09:08 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:21 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 08:12 redFF wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote: We will defiantly have to rely on FOSing a lot more early on in the day, rather than pressure voting like a lot of us normaly do.
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. for the first part, i totally disagree. it's not like a pressure vote will turn into a 6 hour quicklynch, and if it does, then that's not always a bad thing. I prefer this method of voting tbh, don't look at it as a negative, but as a positive! Change is fun and exciting! for the second part yes and yes. LOL Red saying yes to both. Remember PYP:I, red? Where consistently a bunch of us kept saying you were scummy as hell, but ON was reasonable? It seems rather funny that you would be willing to only use one half of the two player unit as a basis for finding scum. Had we done that in PYP:I town would've had ample reason to shoot you in the face night 1. In answer to GreyMist's question, IMO we should consider the behavior of both players, particularly in cases where one player is known to be hard to read. If that person is paired with a relatively easy read, (damn I wish Mig was in this game hahaha) then I think we should lean more toward the person who is easier to read, for obvious reasons. The two player unit is very good for town. It provides us more information than we would normally have, as there is more behavior and there are more posts to analyze. Or at least, I hope this is how it turns out. If town starts succumbing to inactivity (as is the norm lately) I'll be rather pissed. whatever bro, i was really busy in pypi and barely ever posted. you don't have to be a dick especially when you agree with me. of course we consider the behavior of both players but if one guy is obv scum you dont just go other guy looks town derp.
Yay for more saying obvious things!
On November 03 2011 09:10 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:04 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:48 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:31 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote: One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. Tricky... Two posters means twice the risk of mistakes, I would have liked to say that means it´s twice as easy to find scum, but Town make stupid scumslips too. I think we´ll have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town. That doesn´t make sense. This tactic only help scum, Town don´t risk looking scummy from just knowing their role, so only scum would do this. Why are you thinking so much about a pro-scum tactic? This actually does not hinder town in any way. Since only the not-knowing person is actually posting and the other one paraphrasing, town does not lose a townie. You still have to do analysis with your teammate about all the other teams (without talking about own team), so you got all the pieces. If townie: your team actually plays as regular townie, so no harm If blue: your team plays as regular townie, so no extra eyes on you If scum: you play as town the first 2 days, you lose a lot of suspicion because of this. and then you accidentally lead the bandwagon on your godfather.... Irrelevant
On November 03 2011 09:10 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:06 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 09:01 prplhz wrote:On November 03 2011 08:57 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 08:41 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 08:39 prplhz wrote:On November 03 2011 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 08:29 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote: [quote]
Lynch minus two is three votes.
Are you advocating that we just split the vote once someone reaches 3 votes?? I don't trust that this will be a great idea, particularly as people are often not available when you need them, and vote-splitting is great for scum. While we'd only need two more to lynch, that's not very comforting either.
In such a situation we'd basically need to last-minute voteswitch if we think that we have a townie at 3 votes. Otherwise, we take the risk of no-lynch.
Of course it opens us up to scum manipulation too. Scum can throw in a late vote "to stop a no-lynch" and then bam we lose a townie. I meant two votes to lynch, so if a player needs 7 to lynch, stop at 5. This policy would only be in effect for the first 36 or so hours of each day, but from personal experience, nothing sucks more than lighting bandwagons ending the day 3 hours in because everyone agrees someone is "scummy" and then seeing them flip green. GM are you not understanding what I'm saying? A person gets lynched at 5 votes. Lynch minus 2 is 3 votes. gm thinks this is a 12 player game hahahahahahaha Oh, frag, I forgot its a 9 team game. Oops. In my mind the smallest game that exists has 11 players :-P In that case I suppose I can live with leaving a player at L-1, but if anyone quickhammers I will rip them a new one. ... I'm suspicious, but I'll let this slide for a sec because something bigger just appeared On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:31 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote: One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. Tricky... Two posters means twice the risk of mistakes, I would have liked to say that means it´s twice as easy to find scum, but Town make stupid scumslips too. I think we´ll have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town. What in the eff Pretending you don't know what your role is, is something that scum like to do. You're advocating people split their team up so your team makes less mistakes (townies should not be afraid of making mistakes, but scum should be). Town don't strive to prevent all mistakes. Town strive to find scum. That's it. On the contrary, it's SCUM who strive to prevent mistakes. They don't want to be caught. So...not only is your "plan" unworkable, the things you are suggesting we should do are what scum would do, not town. ##vote Team Edward Ouch that came out wrong :p Eventhough i still think this is the best way of playing team mafia, i'm not promoting it. Everyone read there msg, everyone knows there role so actually nobody can do what i've told. I was actually thinking this right when i subscribed for this game, thats why i asked if we made our teams ourself. I just didn't want to have someone else to profit from. but u are promoting it you wrote it in the thread why do you post something if u are not promoting it do u feel like you have to put something in thread so u just put something you thought of before game in there and then you have a post? actually i thought it would be received by cheers because of my insight in this team-game set up.. This is genuine the best way to play this kind of mafia. ah 6/10
utterly useless post doesn't actually say anything
On November 03 2011 09:22 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 09:08 redFF wrote:On November 03 2011 08:21 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 08:12 redFF wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote: We will defiantly have to rely on FOSing a lot more early on in the day, rather than pressure voting like a lot of us normaly do.
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. for the first part, i totally disagree. it's not like a pressure vote will turn into a 6 hour quicklynch, and if it does, then that's not always a bad thing. I prefer this method of voting tbh, don't look at it as a negative, but as a positive! Change is fun and exciting! for the second part yes and yes. LOL Red saying yes to both. Remember PYP:I, red? Where consistently a bunch of us kept saying you were scummy as hell, but ON was reasonable? It seems rather funny that you would be willing to only use one half of the two player unit as a basis for finding scum. Had we done that in PYP:I town would've had ample reason to shoot you in the face night 1. In answer to GreyMist's question, IMO we should consider the behavior of both players, particularly in cases where one player is known to be hard to read. If that person is paired with a relatively easy read, (damn I wish Mig was in this game hahaha) then I think we should lean more toward the person who is easier to read, for obvious reasons. The two player unit is very good for town. It provides us more information than we would normally have, as there is more behavior and there are more posts to analyze. Or at least, I hope this is how it turns out. If town starts succumbing to inactivity (as is the norm lately) I'll be rather pissed. whatever bro, i was really busy in pypi and barely ever posted. you don't have to be a dick especially when you agree with me. of course we consider the behavior of both players but if one guy is obv scum you dont just go other guy looks town derp. Except I'm telling you straight up it's more complicated than that, and you should understand it simply because you and ON were that two headed monstrosity of confusion last game. All game long I remember talking to people (including Mig, Foolish, Kav) who kept saying, damn Jacuzzisplatt is scummy as hell. It was primarily because of you. I saw what they were seeing, but I didn't believe you two were scum because ON posted very reasonably and I talked to him for quite a bit on IRC. You, on the other hand, couldn't have been scummier. I think basing our reads on both players is necessary, but with the caveat that if we have conflicting reads on the two halves we need to take the one that's easier to read into account. Ex. if an incredibly easy-to-read player A looks scummy while his partner B (who is much harder to read) looks town then we should give more weight to the scum half. yes obviously
lets just show agreement, that is a CONTRIBUTION
On November 03 2011 09:32 redFF wrote: please use punctuation! Clearly only a townie would demand periods!
On November 03 2011 09:40 redFF wrote: the only combination of 2 good players is
3. Radfield & wherebugsgo
and ME AND KITA OF COURSE
This is relevant, how, exactly? It says nothing about anyone's alignment.
On November 03 2011 10:00 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:50 Erandorr wrote:On November 03 2011 09:40 redFF wrote: the only combination of 2 good players is
3. Radfield & wherebugsgo
and ME AND KITA OF COURSE
lol where is the lol coming from, do you agree with my assessment?
yelling at a player who isn't even in the game
On November 03 2011 11:52 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:08 chaoser wrote:On November 03 2011 09:56 supersoft wrote: okay nothing interesting came up, yet. one thing i want to point out. if you're town, save all your conversations with your teampartner. if you're getting lynched, these conversations may provide something that speaks in favor of you. I know scum will do that, too now... BUT it's a lot of work to fake logs. and why should we be gentle with these guys?! Yeah I'm going to have to disagree with that. This isn't post-conversation-to-try-to-make-people-trust-you. This is mafia. Let's try NOT using shit like this to "confirm" one another. I thought we already covered this topic in PYPI NICE TRY SCUM WHO DOESN'T WANNA DO EXTRA WORK
Player brings up a legitimate concern about the spirit of the rules, THROW JOKING FOS at him. Incredibly useful, especially when you accusation is backed up with evidence and you can later say this post was "just a joke"
On November 03 2011 22:13 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 21:40 GMarshal wrote:@Kita On November 03 2011 08:18 prplhz wrote: i think redff only says good things Yay! Relevance! Not he's right about this though Helpful how?
On November 04 2011 03:10 redFF wrote: jesus christ lol we're lynching today.
i fear for you when RoL sees that post kurumi.
everyone yells at kurumi for a terrible plan, let me bandwagon that. Have I made any serious accusations yet? NOPE
On November 04 2011 04:02 redFF wrote: an idiotic sandroba plan! ofcourse!
we are lynching today lol see above
On November 04 2011 10:07 redFF wrote: meh you usually say that at l-1 grok!
Incredibly useful insight, thanks! I now know all your thoughts
On November 04 2011 10:08 redFF wrote: gmarshal is still mafia!
unsupported accusation once again, words without thought are worthless.
On November 04 2011 11:23 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote: Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now. Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy. At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with. 1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS 3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU 4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE 5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID 7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD 8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND lol @ this, kita names 2/3 of the player base as being possible scum and then doesn't explain why he conveniently excludes Forumite+prpl and Greymist+super. I mean, really, what is your point? Why are prpl+forumite not possible scum? Or Grey+super? For all we know, you could be scum. This "information" you provide is utterly useless. hes just giving his reads. its funny that this is the first time you've attacked us and its just after decon fos'd us. scum. ##unvote ##Vote wherebugsgo
OMGUS vote with poor justification again.
Happy redff?, I did as you asked. Now I wonder *where* I got the idea you were being unhelpful after seeing these gems.
Now who would you like to lynch today?
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On November 05 2011 02:12 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 02:01 GMarshal wrote: You just claimed, so I'm done accusing you till I reevaluate Not a moment of questioning it? You're willing to buy the claim? For all you know, we could just be hoping that there isn't a PC. Or we could be trying to draw out the true parity cop. I said until i reevaluate, I may still conclude you are scum. Notice my vote hasn't moved.
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On November 05 2011 02:02 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 02:01 GMarshal wrote:On November 05 2011 01:59 redFF wrote:On November 05 2011 01:56 GMarshal wrote:On November 05 2011 01:53 redFF wrote: except im posting content in this game. and i'm partnered with someone else. ... content like? The first actual contribution you make is after my accusation. Anyone can verify this with the filter button... Or are you refering to this OMGUS On November 04 2011 11:23 redFF wrote:On November 04 2011 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote: Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now. Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy. At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with. 1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS 3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU 4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE 5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID 7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD 8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND lol @ this, kita names 2/3 of the player base as being possible scum and then doesn't explain why he conveniently excludes Forumite+prpl and Greymist+super. I mean, really, what is your point? Why are prpl+forumite not possible scum? Or Grey+super? For all we know, you could be scum. This "information" you provide is utterly useless. hes just giving his reads. its funny that this is the first time you've attacked us and its just after decon fos'd us. scum. ##unvote ##Vote wherebugsgo or perhaps to On November 04 2011 04:02 redFF wrote: an idiotic sandroba plan! ofcourse!
we are lynching today lol maybe On November 04 2011 03:10 redFF wrote: jesus christ lol we're lynching today.
i fear for you when RoL sees that post kurumi. or On November 03 2011 09:10 redFF wrote:On November 03 2011 09:04 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:48 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:31 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote: One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. Tricky... Two posters means twice the risk of mistakes, I would have liked to say that means it´s twice as easy to find scum, but Town make stupid scumslips too. I think we´ll have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town. That doesn´t make sense. This tactic only help scum, Town don´t risk looking scummy from just knowing their role, so only scum would do this. Why are you thinking so much about a pro-scum tactic? This actually does not hinder town in any way. Since only the not-knowing person is actually posting and the other one paraphrasing, town does not lose a townie. You still have to do analysis with your teammate about all the other teams (without talking about own team), so you got all the pieces. If townie: your team actually plays as regular townie, so no harm If blue: your team plays as regular townie, so no extra eyes on you If scum: you play as town the first 2 days, you lose a lot of suspicion because of this. and then you accidentally lead the bandwagon on your godfather.... all these *wonderful* contributions, which say NOTHING about anyone around you. Stop clutching at straws. so the first one is a vote and an fos, the second and third ones are commenting on a plan brought forth, the fourth one points out a flaw in a plan put forward. nice try though. You just claimed, so I'm done accusing you till I reevaluate, however I could easily go through a point how each and every one of your posts says pretty much nothing , so don't push it. Chaoser, you said you had a case on prplhz, is that forthcoming? actually im pushing it that huge wall where I went post by post was because you said you wanted to push it, there you go. Your wish is my command and all that.
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for now ##Unvote
I am now going to go attend boring meetings, I expect to see the case on prpl when I get back
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Radfield isn't dead? He must be mafia then!
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