Alright town, I think we have our lynch of the day.
Summary, for those of you looking for the tl;dr version:
Meapak casually and without responsibility gives his thoughts on the setup
Meapak decides to run for mayor
Meapak trashes the very town-looking mig/radfield train and accuses me of being scum
Meapak withdraws his application
Meapak claims roleblock on his invention
Now here's the story from A-Z, if you wanna get with me you've gotta listen carefully.
Opening thoughts
First off, Meapak writes two pretty bland posts about how we should be picking roles and what we should be doing with them, it's not to terribly revealing in itself.
Now, you see, this could simply be a townie who's not quite sure how to play the game. What's especially revealing is that meapak feels the need to make sure that this is just his speculations. If we pick him up on the advice and it turns out it sucks, he cannot be held responsible.
Why make this post if you're town?
On October 13 2011 06:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: /thinking out loud.
It only accomplishes two things. First off it reduces the chances people will listen to him, something townies do NOT want, and it throws away responsibility, something mafia really does want.
Candidacy
Now as for his candidacy, it's basically thrown together, and is solely based on the fact that he's the inventor. There is nothing in it except an attempt at suggesting a ridiculously overpowered invention in the hopes of catching us in his net.
But really, that's about it. There is nothing in this that makes me think he's town. He expects to be voted through the power of his role alone. This is something mafia would like, as it's a free ride to the mayor position.
He isn't even arguing who should be lynched or trying to paint himself town.
Sowing mistrust
His next big post is really bad.
On October 15 2011 02:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: People should NOT be voting for Mig/Syllo/Sandroba. It's the first day in a game with multiple factions, no one should be trusting anyone at this point. I don't think all of those three are scum, however I'd bet at least one of them is and since I'm not sure who, there's no way I'll vote for any of them. Mig and I had a conversation on IRC where he told me he really didn't want to be mayor but syllo was pushing him hard. When I asked him why syllo was pushing so hard he said because syllo was sure he was town because of skype conversations. Sandroba is probably the one I'm least suspicious of right now so if I had to pick one of these three for scum it'd be syllo.
On October 14 2011 20:46 Scamp wrote: Trusting someone's judgement just because they are town is idiotic.
On the contrary, at this point I have very little to go by except the election posts themselves. The only people I have been in contact with outside of this thread are Syllogism, Kitaman27 and DropBear. I have a reason to believe Syllogism is town.
I also believe Syllogism has an excellent nose for Mig's alignment in PM games, so by extension Mig must be town. While I would myself rather talk directly to Mig, until I have been in contact with him, I find Syllogism's judgement to be good enough proof, seeing as he is one of the best players in this game.
However, what is your purpose, trying to cloud my judgement, why do you step in to cast doubt upon something that I have good reasons to do?
This bolded part is the scummiest thing I've read all game. Just because you think syllo is town does in no way mean mig is also town. Especially considering you've never talked to mig.
Apparently I am the scummiest person in the game for supporting townies, and the townie train we have now in the lead of town is something no one should vote for?
Meapak is actively trying to throw mistrust into a very successful day one townie circle thing, and thus he's directly pushing mafia objectives. Another damning thing from this is that he actually doesn't follow up at all his poke on me, and in the end he ends up supporting radfield into office, who is clearly part of the townie circle with Mig.
Meapak hasn't actually tried to find scum at all this game.
For comparison
This is meapak's day 1 play as town in experimental haunted mafia:
Just notice the actively asking questions, directly pointing out people and making sure they reply to him. This is something meapak is sure as hell not doing this game.
Conclusion:
Meapak has not pushed his reads, he's chosen to play his hand tight, he has not tried scumhunting and he's not been useful for town. All he has done is try to plant mistrust and passively push mafia agenda. His meta is far removed from his play in EHM where he was town.
arctocod came with a huge big list of people who are scum, and then he went for meapak. but i thought i'd seen that analysis before, mostly based on meta and on people not being as active as he'd like to. and looking a bit back i actually had seen it before. in a game where arctocod was scum and jack was town. a lot of people made insincere bids to the mayor position, kenpachi, greymist, chaoser just because he ran for mayor doesn't make him scum. and in the end he supported the same townie train that everybody voted for, i'm like 95% sure that both radfield and mig are townies at this point (not that i'm not watching them anyway).
what's in the meapak analysis is no where near damning, and just throwing accusations about isn't really very townie play to me. did you even PM meapak about any of this?
a lot of people have been complaining about meapak lately so maybe there's something to it but i really need to see someone make a decent case before i'll consider voting for him. and palmar is not nearly good enough a mafia player to use meta, mostly i'd say he just uses it to make his analysis seem better while in reality, it isn't. i don't like that at all.
There is a huge difference between those two things, most notably that the analysis on Jackal is mostly complete bullshit (it is actually impossible to write a pbp analysis on jackal on day 1), while this one isn't.
Meapak actually has a useful day 1 meta, something jackal lacks.
On October 18 2011 00:49 syllogism wrote: Rad raises some good points, but I'd like to hear more from Meapak, specifically who does he consider a solid lynch today. Arctocod apparently, but how about building an actual case
I'm waiting to see if Arcto goes through with an incredibly short-sighted and foolish plan. If he does then we're going to have a lot to talk about. I'm going to be gone in about 9 minutes though so he needs to hurry up.