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This is mostly based on most of them managing to lurk harder than me. Which saying alot I personally dont like the vibe i get off of iGrok/DrH. I avoided DrH yesterday because i was increadably unsure of WBG until later on and I decided based on the reasons i have stated to move over to Errandor. Pyo I even forgot was playing until about he a few posts one of which was chastising my FoS on Navillus which i by the way look back on and realize that I was being an idiot. His reasoning behind voting WBG basically went oh DrH said hes third party so im going to agree without posting my own contributions and uses this reasoning: Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip Hes just adovacting a pure info lynch that really doesnt tell us jackshit in either case. Afterwords WBG then calls him out for the same thing I am he responds with this: way to not read my post and selectively bolded not my reason for voting for you – getting information is only icing on the cake... I'm voting for you because your indirect 3rd party claim is bizarre and distracting at best I dont see any bizarre third party claim, I see hints at it but it obviously wasnt what he had in mind. Sure he was trolling abit but this seems like a really weak line of reasoning, despite how we were starting to realize that he probably was not scum. He also does nothing BUT push WBG almost refusing to otherwise consider other candidates other than call out Archo_Toilet for being scummier than GGQ who he was voting however he basically did one post and another paragraph later and did not pursue it much farther. Along with that he has completely flown under the radar and iirc not many people have called him out. As such I will be. ##Vote Pyo + Show Spoiler + if im on the wrong track again for the love of god speak now. | ||
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On September 20 2011 11:45 Jackal58 wrote: You guys think I'm scum because Bugs played a lame game? If he didn't scream 3rd party to you you're lying. No he screamed Im acting like an idiot then turning into someone whos acting slightly less like an idiot. | ||
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On September 21 2011 09:53 Radfield wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2011 03:54 syllogism wrote: Well this is interesting I just got shot, as in a day vig hit me On September 21 2011 04:20 syllogism wrote: I don't quite understand why I would be scum day vig target over, say, radfield. Any thoughts radfield? You're a terrible target for scum. Lets assume you are telling the truth though and just got hit. This means you have some kind of night life(lives) as obviously you weren't medic protted. Day Vig kills have to be placed in thread, as do bombers, nukers, kingmakers, etc. I have never heard of a role that can kill a player during the day anonymously. The only possibility left is that you were targetted with some kind of delayed KP, like a Hooker or something, but that doesn't fit. Looking at the list of roles from PYPI(which is basically everything) I don't see anything that resembles an anonymous day kill. Options: 1. Scum shot you. Not likely as you are an awful target and scum don't get free kills. An untrackable, unwatchable, no accountability kill does not make for a fun mafia game. 2. Town shot you. More likely than scum, and far more likely balance wise. Giving a townie a free anonymous shot is far more balanced than giving scum one. I don't see why you would be hit though as you're not on the short list for scum. Terrible play if a townie shot, and no one claimed it(they would have presumably been around for the flip). 3. You're lying. This seems more likely than either of the other two scenarios. However, your claim is nonsensical and does nothing but cast suspicion on you. Some players(cough Palmar cough) make claims like that, you don't seem the sort. 4. Some role I've never heard is in the game. Only two of these options make sense: You are lying or there is another role. Yet neither of those make enough sense right now. I'm setting this aside for now, someone else pick it up if they want to. + Show Spoiler [ Pyo's post] + On September 21 2011 03:55 Pyo wrote: you aren't the boss of me... I don't like the fact that you're telling me that I have to vote for one of those 3. You followed/led the lynch of Erandorr and no one really gave you any shit for it. In fact you tried to spin WBG and errador both flipping town as an indicator of your townness: I mean the other 2 lynch targets you were trying to distract from were both either killed or attempted to be killed which means scum wanted everyone to see them flip. This seems a little too convenient to me... The analysis of you independent of this fact isn't great either: You started with a day 1 policy post, wherein you say, "Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target," but then proceed to push for the Erandorr lynch... if there was ever an "easier" target than a guy who edits a post then lies about it, I haven't seen it. Then you engage DrH about confirmed townies (link) which just screams contrived nonsensical conversation to me... Confirmed townies are NOT "a voice that every town player can trust to be legit." Townies can be wrong and scum are more than happy to help propagate incorrect statements by trusted town - not to mention what happens when a scum gets on people's confirmed town list. Now you're basically leading the charge against Jackal and iGrok while calling out Drazerk, Palmar and ON as also being likely scum... So either you're some super brilliant player (except that you were totally off with Erandorr) or you're happily sheeping town around. It really doesn't sit well with me. At this point I'm more inclined to vote for you than any of the 3 you suggest (jackal, igrok, palmar). ##vote: radfield I'm mildly confident in saying that's the biggest kneejerk/OMGUS i've seen. I asked you a simple question, and not only did you not answer it, but you've come up with an intensely manufactured case. If anyone actually wants me to defend myself here I will, but I'd much rather lynch scum. And I think you're scum Pyo. Lets take a walk down Pyo lane. I honestly don't know how you made it this far. ***After tossing suspicion on a few players, we go straight to a vote post: At this point I'm gonna vote for wherebugsgo. I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip. ##vote wherebugsgo *voting for a third party instead of scum, check *might learn about game set up/mechanics, check *Proceed to tunnel WBG and never comment on the other lynches, check ***The rest of your posts, almost literally the rest of your posts have consisted in cutting down other players: Jackal, OriginalName, Archon, Cyber_Cheese, Radfield, iGrok. But that's it, cutting down, arguing, but never contributing or actually casting suspicion. This is the closest you have come to calling somone out: + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2011 17:27 Pyo wrote: man, I look away from the thread for about a couple hours and this crazy shit happens...anyway, what an incredibly scummy thing to say... Yet when I give you an opportunity to actually weigh in on him you OMGUS me instead. You also state that: The people I find most suspicious aren't the guys running around like village idiots (archon_toilet/Drazerk), it's the guys calling them guys scum. Yet never actually mention who these suspicious players are. ***You're only large post consists of almost no content. Talking about null reads, dead players and softballing suspicion on me. I think you are scum. However I'm willing to accept that I'm biased since you're attacking me. If Pyo is not scum, can someone please weigh in on what I'm missing. I noticed while I was reading another thing about Pyo, after I call him out and accuse him/vote him I find that he only addresses one part of my arguement which is really when I look back fairly irrelivent in the whole case of it all. I see no reason as of this moment to see him as town so unless I see something bigger on my scumdar from iGrok (who is next on my list by the way mostly for that bullshit list he posted on D1 to feign contribution). As such my vote still stands. | ||
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On September 21 2011 10:09 TranceStorm wrote: He never explicitly said that he wouldn't be able to post until wednesday. But I can give him leeway for right now until Thursday. Also, does anyone else feel disquieted by the fact that iGrok refuses to respond to any of the arguments leveled against him (and change his behavior at all)? Yeah im still giving him time but the long it goes on the worse... | ||
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Do you guys hate me that much? | ||
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I still think Pyo is a decent lynch but I agree that vote spreading can be detremental at this point. Radfield purely out of curiousity why Jackal over Palmar? | ||
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I didnt ask you, nor did i not consider the option. | ||
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Jist of it is: Meh D1 with shitty excuses Some random contradition about 95% of the time he has shit reads on D1 and then swears on his grave that it was a good read, then turns out to be a shit read. + Show Spoiler + Im just going to point out my opinion on WBG, yes he trolled the shit out of us for 24-36 hours but the last few hours he just seemed townie to me. lastly now that we have lots of pressure on him he just uses shitty one liners to defend himself. ##Vote Jackal58 | ||
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On September 23 2011 08:20 GreYMisT wrote: Anyone have any thoughts on this message? Do you guys think it combines with the message from day1? Ugluk is the orc who capped Merry and Pippen during two towers... | ||
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On September 24 2011 05:53 Pyo wrote: How about this, we let iGrok tell us who to lynch. We lynch that person and when that person flips red, we let him live another day (no promises beyond that), or if that person flips not red, we vig/lynch him. I think at this point, it's worth risking a one-for-one for the chance at a free scum kill. On a separate note, when you say "you're going to kill me," who are you talking to, iGrok? Town or Scum? This is shitty logic, we dont know how many scum nor do we know KP values. They could have extra KP or SK might have a one shot or a bunch of other variables. Not increadably safe imo, iGrok still good lynch. Also i fully fess up to being stupid and following Radfield but at the time i still had an inkling of thought that he was town. After the Jackal lynch I did go back and was getting ready to push him but well he died. | ||
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On September 24 2011 06:21 OriginalName wrote: This is shitty logic, we dont know how many scum nor do we know KP values. They could have extra KP or SK might have a one shot or a bunch of other variables. Not increadably safe imo, iGrok still good lynch. Also i fully fess up to being stupid and following Radfield but at the time i still had an inkling of thought that he was town. After the Jackal lynch I did go back and was getting ready to push him but well he died. EBWOP: I meant that we could be at LYLO. On top of that WHY WOULD WE ALLOW OUR MOST SUSPECTED PERSON TO CONTROL LYNCH? | ||
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On September 24 2011 05:47 heist wrote: So out of everyone in the Jackal lynch, let's look at ON in comparison to the two confirmed mafia: Radfield and Dr Helvetica The original quote is by Radfield. His very first post is saying, "Good town post Radfield. Everyone should be listening to you." Greymist is sort of suspicious so don't worry about the people (one of whom is Dr Helvetica) who are voting for Greymist. They are justified, but I'm also staying really noncommittal in case this actually results in a lynch. Another indirect defense of Dr Helvetica. Didn't read it in context. He just saw DrH and came to his defense. Bluefishing. It's obviously a joke. More noncommittal attitudes on Jackal and prplhz. Great. What changes his mind? This ridiculous exchange with prplhz that supposedly tips him over the fence. Nice excuse not to provide any analysis. His main analysis day 2 is on the one person attacking Radfield and his main reasoning is pyo's vote on WBG, null tells considering every lynch was on a townie. And who is the only one who agrees with him on his accusation? Radfield. He clearly follows Radfield's lead for his final vote. ##Vote: Original_Name Yeah and Pyo just voted him with little analysis, on top of that I also did that BEFORE he accused Radfield and just because he coincedentally decided to vote for scum he did not attempt to push him at all.One Vote without reasoning means almost jackshit to anyone actually reading the thread. | ||
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On September 24 2011 07:03 GGQ wrote: Actually if there's a bp sk out there (as I still believe chaoser is), then we literally have no choice but to lynch him at some point. Also, why are you trying to get ON lynched instead of iGrok? Because heist #1 badlogic. | ||
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On September 24 2011 08:13 Pyo wrote: wait, what? Explain, please. As far as I understand from the LotR lore, Saruman is was evil (well at least was certainly more evil than the dude that radfield flipped as). Probably more of a traitor role imo. | ||
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FFS STOP IT BEFORE AND NOT AFTER I FUCKING EXPLODE. | ||
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On September 24 2011 09:16 heist wrote: ON's flip has nothing to do with iGrok. ON is simply my best suspicion for mafia. If he flips red, that tells you nothing about iGrok. If he flips green, the better alternative is not automatically iGrok. Do you see how easily the votes are piling on iGrok? Mafia are perfectly fine lynching a 3rd party. And what do you mean "no matter what he flips after that is gonna be you"? Oh woe is you. Stop sitting on your ass with your easy iGrok vote. Look into other people. The game isn't won on the off-chance iGrok flips red. Please don't waste our time with foolish joke claims. Drop it, your case sucks. Survivor is anti town anyways no point in leaving him around even if his claim isnt fake. Fact is survivor doesnt care whos alive at lylo mafia and town benefit from this. Also iGrok didnt find Sarumon hes just bullshitting to buy himself time. iGrok is completely worthless no reason to lynch me over him. | ||
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On September 24 2011 09:50 GreYMisT wrote: I propose iGrok give us saruman to confirm himself. Its simple, we lynch who he says saruman is. if the flip is correct we go from there. If the flip isnt saurman then we have a target for the night/ next day. Please read thread before posting this has been mentioned and is a terrible idea as of hes scum he gets another free day and a mislynch. | ||
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