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On September 20 2011 09:42 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +He was cut short as the figure planted a foot of jagged steel into his chest with a snarl. Show nested quote +“Letting your guards leave was a mistake, my Lord,” hissed a quiet voice beside his ear. Before he could respond, a hand roughly grabbed his hair and he felt steel sliding across his throat. Show nested quote +Unfortunately for him, the bitter end was now. He cried out as steel suddenly erupted through his stomach, twisting through his organs. The Flavor Kill Text for all three.
The most I can make of these is that WBG probally died from mafia kp, as the wording of the kill text was malicious in nature.
The other 2 kills have no such dialogue, and those could belong to scum or vig roles.
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How about you just discredit everything I say? would that give you a sick thrill? jk, thanks.
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EBWOP: above post is to curu.
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What are your guys thoughts on Vain, during day1 he seemed hesitant to commit to anything and pretty much had only one larger post, but all it served to do was contribute nothing.
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Vain needs to say something soon, he was really wishy washy day1, and didnt really say much in the few posts he had. What happened to all the people day1 who said we need to take a closer look at vain?
##Vote Vain
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On September 21 2011 01:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 01:36 syllogism wrote: I don't understand what's going on with this cipher. Assuming the intention isn't just to mislead, there is no reason to voluntarily post an anonymous message in code, especially something that short. Thus if we assume the source of the message is a townie, it would have to be some sort of information role result. If that is the case, obviously the role has to have a posting restriction that prohibits him from talking about it, or perhaps simply doesn't know how to solve it either. The message structure and word length indicates the message could say [player X] is [alignment]. However, the first word is 6 letters long and none of the names match if it's a substitution cipher. Similarly replacing the last four letters with TOWN or SCUM doesn't get you anywhere, as doesn't replacing the two letter word with 'is'. Yeah I've been toying around with it by shifting the alphabet up and down, it doesnt really help much... between one letter up and one down, you can make out is in the middle and wn on the end of the last word, but the rest is all jargon still so i doubt that's actually the methodology required if your correct in assuming its regards someones alignment, the first word is 6 letters long so I could see it being these: jackal palmar xtfftc jeejee archon cheese prphlz trance sandro? ciryan? I've been thinking it could be in reverse somehow too, ring is secure or something? It's really confusing though...
This is speculation, but It seems like there aren't enough vowels in the message to say anything worthwhile. Perhaps there will be more letters released at the end of each day.
I still think vain is acting scummy, but honestly he hasnt posted enough recently for me to get a more accurate read on him. When i get out of lab today im going to reread the thread again for anything i missed.
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On September 21 2011 03:54 syllogism wrote: Well this is interesting
I just got shot, as in a day vig hit me
anyone mind claiming this hit?
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Cyber's post above promted me to look back over trace's posts, and I found these two gems. most notably with regards to his plan for confirming townies.
On September 17 2011 15:27 TranceStorm wrote: @DrH. Fine, those are valid points. I didn't fully flesh out my plan as well as I imagined it would be and underestimated the risks.
But, wouldn't it be a good idea to set the rule that if a player does ever pass on the ring, they reveal its powers? We already know that everyone wants the ring (both town and non-town) so I think it would be beneficial to town discussion to know the ring powers. (if they don't change like you fear they might).
Notice how in this post he acknowledges the potential flaws and the fact that it is incompete a respectfull manner towards DrH.
[QUOTE]On September 17 2011 15:52 TranceStorm wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 15:36 Cyber_Cheese wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 15:03 TranceStorm wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 14:57 Cyber_Cheese wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 14:36 TranceStorm wrote: Debating about who should get the ring and what each role can or cannot do at the moment is pointless at the current time. However, I do like one of the plans that was proposed by a few people: having the person who successfully passed on the ring claim themselves. This way, we can enable a 'chain' to be made - i.e. the first player can confirm the second player once the second player has passed on the ring themselves. This is all dependent on the assumption that evil players cannot pass the ring themselves which as Radfield pointed out, is probably a true assumption.
Given this, however, this plan would probably only be effective for the first few 'passes' and perhaps near the end of the game when town circles become more clear. The risk after the first few days that the person holding the ring is killed, or has the ring stolen (which is a possible role according to the OP) makes the plan ineffective.
Therefore, I think that such a plan should work for the first 2 or 3 days to confirm at least one or two people. Any thoughts or ideas about this? I haven't fully fleshed this out yet (i.e. the possibility of fake claims is strong), but its probably a better discussion than the arbitrary finger-pointing going on at the moment.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you realise it or not but that plan sounds awfully anti-town. How do we guarantee that even those 1-3 people can pass the ring in the first place?
however in this post he defends each aspect of it quite a bit. Why concede to DrH what you won't concede to others? I'm taking my vote off vain for now and putting it on TraceStorm.
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I give up making quotes work. oh hey dragoon ^_^
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I am inclined to believe this claim. It explains your behavior and it simply makes no sense for mafia to claim this when they have only lost one and we have lost about 5 people.
On September 21 2011 11:28 iGrok wrote: Well, if you're a DT I'll give it to you - when you check me you'll get my role PM, If you want to use my power, post the first word in the name of my Checking ability in one of your posts. I'll use it on the next name that appears in your post.
One problem with your plan is the quoted portion above. You are assuming that DTs get to see the role PM of the person they check. What if they only are alignment DTs or something else? What do you suggest they do then?
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So unless a power like gandalf's surfaces again, we need to wait for a DT to roleclaim in thread before we can act with your power?
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Why target him? we know he is the balrog if he is telling the truth, we can lynch him later if he becomes detrimental. is this kill one shot?
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On September 20 2011 14:43 Curu wrote:chaos13 as Gandalf the White, Town Jack of All Trades has been wiped from existence.+ Show Spoiler [Role PM] +Hello and welcome to Middle Earth! You are Gandalf the White, Town Jack of All Trades. Active Ability[Oneshot] Wisest of the Istari: One time during the game during the night phase, you may divine the nature of your target, receiving a copy of their role PM. This ability will not be fooled by Millers or a Framer if there is one but will be fooled by a Godfather if there is one. [Oneshot] Shadowfax: One time during the game during the night phase, you may summon the legendary steed Shadowfax. With Shadowfax at your side none can hope to outrun you; you may track your target and learn who they visit. [Oneshot] Watcher: One time during the game during the night phase, you may watch over your target, receiving the names of all who visited your target (but not their actions). [Oneshot] Wisdom: One time during the game during the night phase, you may divine whether or not your target is capable of killing people. This will not reveal alignment to you, only whether or not they have KP. You win when Evil has been purged from Middle Earth.
Gandalf is already dead.
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On September 21 2011 20:11 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +Alright guys, well you've heard me out. Give me the ring, and I'll start working a hell of a lot harder this game, hunt down Saruman, and give a DT an unblockable shot. Otherwise, I'll basically keep doing what I've done so far. Your move. How bout no. Your claim seems like so much bullshit, yet I see very little motivation for your claim from a mafia perspective. Your claim buys you maximum 1 day if you are scum. Here's what's going to happen: You're not going to get the ring, and you're not going to wait for a dt check. You are going to shoot a target of our choosing tonight, and that target is going to flip with your fancy flavor text. In the event that doesn't happen you are going to get auto-lynched the next day, end of story. If you want to contribute or not, I could care less. Frankly at this point you're just a distraction. You are either mafia shitting things up, and will be confirmed scum tomorrow, or your third party shitting things up and will deliver us a kill. ______________ I'll have more time later on today, but need either Jackal or Pyo to get lynched today. + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2011 21:08 Jackal58 wrote: I'm just gonna watch this thing grow.
Syllogism is right about my activity in this game. Up to this point though I have had little to nothing to say. Most of you insist upon going back and creating scenarios for the mechanics of the game. I have had no desire to comment on your speculations. He's wrong about my alignment though. But that's ok. It's getting late in the day and votes are scattered all over. Will be interesting to see who all wants to jump all over me. Won't it Heist? On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote: My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens. If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow. If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways.
Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. I cannot reconcile these two statements with a town player. First statement makes an excuse for inactivity in that you don't want to "create scenarios for the mechanics". The second statement, and your reason for voting are based on creating scenarios for the ring mechanic. Add to this that you have refused to weigh in on the major lynch candidates, and have no real scum reads other than heist(who's obviously not getting lynched anytime soon). You have zero contributions this game other than a poor analysis on heist(who you've been poking since day 1). Are you really trying to claim that your only read this entire game is Heist? Jackal and Pyo are both very likely scum, iGrok as well but he will confirm his own alignment(via his night kill) for us. We lynch Jackal first as that narrows down our list of vets. Presumably some of me, chaoser, sandro, syllo, palmar, ON will die tonight which will leave several players out in the open. ##Vote Jackal
Who do you suggest he kills tonight? Whoever out of Jackal and Pyo we don't lynch?
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Also, radfield's post prompted me to reread jackal's posts this game. As we all know day1 he was pushing for a WBG lynch, but didn't seem to comment on the errandor wagon forming and had no problem with it. However right when errandor flipped he said that WBG was clearly the better lynch, even though he did nothing to disuade us from going through with it day1.
##Vote Jackal58
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Added to that fact is, at the moment, iGrok has offered to help us detect Saruman (if he is in the game) and use his ability to kill him for us. even though he can win with either town or scum, we know who he is now, and thus can just lynch him later if he becomes unhelpful or detrimental.
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My vote will remain on Jackal. Radfield how do you recommend we direct IGrok's target?
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Didnt you say earlier that Jackal and Pyo are very good canidates?
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So a hypothetical survivor role would not fit under the category "evil"?
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