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On September 22 2011 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would be actually more interested finding mafia than a 3rd party, but as I see it we really have no choise this point but lynch iGrok. Or do we?
Vote for whoever you feel to be the most deserving of a lynch. This is not a majority required game, a no-lynch won't occur.
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On September 22 2011 02:25 Palmar wrote: no you're not prplhz, and I agree with you.
I'm not going to respond to a case made by scum Cyber, sorry.
I can answer some of your questions though, because given the last game I played with you, you were dumb enough to believe shit like "mafia shoots people who are obviously town, but wrong" and then voting for obvious townies.
some things.
a) it's not bandwagoning when I'm the first person to vote him
b) discuss other people all you want, but not lynching iGrok would be nothing sort of stupid right now.
c) I always scumhunt on meta only. Call me bad for it, but I'm actually very effective at finding scum. I'm a bit of a dick so I'm less effective at convincing town.
But yeah, iGrok claiming is weird and unbelievable.
So can you provide the meta your using with comparison or not?
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On September 22 2011 02:31 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 22 2011 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would be actually more interested finding mafia than a 3rd party, but as I see it we really have no choise this point but lynch iGrok. Or do we? Vote for whoever you feel to be the most deserving of a lynch. This is not a majority required game, a no-lynch won't occur. Stop giving bad advice. If you have a good case, make it. If it doesn't take off, take a stance towards the other cases. If you think one of the cases is not terrible, vote for that, because townies voting random wagons that aren't working gives mafia statistically more sway in the vote.
Your full of it. The mafia only gain more sway only if they decide it's safer to have all their votes in one place where it's easy to link them all. People don't have to vote for a leading candidate, and really shouldn't unless they feel that person is the most scummy. We saw your methodology fail Day 1. People didn't like the options yesterday and were too easily swayed into a third 'major' target in Errandor because they felt they had to go with a major lynch.
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On September 22 2011 03:05 Archon_Toilet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:51 prplhz wrote: @archontoilet
so what are your thoughts on igrok you haven't voiced your opinion on him and that's kinda weird 'cause yesterday you actually wanted to lynch him, albeit briefly and not very pushy. today you have the chance to actually do that but you choose to focus on drazerk instead.
what's your opinion on igrok and why don't you want to lynch him anymore? igrok is a strange one. All the reason I wanted him killed make sense now that he has claim survivor role. He has however either left out crucial mechanic or lied about his role now that syllo try to kill him and he survived. I would be ok with lynching him still if nothing else come up, better lynch third party than a townie. I am dropping jcarlsoniv for now that case was going nowhere. I feel drazerk has kind of disappeared and isn't getting enough attention. He has very bad voting history, strange interaction with the only confirm mafioso and majority of his post are very short and uninformative.
Do you have an opinion on Palmar?
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On September 22 2011 03:30 syllogism wrote: Why would you protect igrok? Even for you that would be unbelievably stupid
Says the person who chose to day vig him the day he revealed. You should have waited for the next day at least, such that any medics could change target
If there was a medic on iGrok, this raises more questions on the other two that 'survived hits'
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On September 22 2011 03:37 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 03:36 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 22 2011 03:30 syllogism wrote: Why would you protect igrok? Even for you that would be unbelievably stupid Says the person who chose to day vig him the day he revealed. You should have waited for the next day at least, such that any medics could change target If there was a medic on iGrok, this raises more questions on the other two that 'survived hits' You've already repeatedly established that you are really daft, so I'm not even going to bother explaining the obvious to you
We can use iGrok's one shot kill to our advantage. I'm not about to hang him for offering us that instead of saving it for himself.
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On September 22 2011 03:40 syllogism wrote: Drazerk and now please slowly explain what you protecting igrok says about his alignment
I can't speak for him, but iIt's not about his alignment, it's about the alignment of the people pushing his lynch that I care about.
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On September 22 2011 04:17 chaoser wrote: Yeah it's WIFOM but not all WIFOM is the same. Everything in the game is technically WIFOM, even someone pushing intensely for a mafia's lynch. This one literally makes no sense.
Agreed, I don't think chaoser and iGrok are part of a scum team together. If he planned to bus his teammate, he would have kept his vote there.
On September 22 2011 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:03 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2011 03:57 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 03:55 Jackal58 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:37 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 03:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote: iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia.
##vote: Jackal58 Could you explain how your opinion shifted from lynching igrok to letting him live in such a short amount of time? How did the claim go from scum to no sense as mafia? Also, what in specific about radfield's case makes you think jackal is scum? I never said he was scum. I was thinking how it was protactinium all over again (black role saying it would help town if town helped it) and voted him on a jerk-knee reaction. 5 minutes later I remembered that the way we dealt with the prot case was to just let him die and not wasting a lynch. We're here to lynch mafia, not waste time on third parties. A third party lynch is a lynch that mafia loves. They get to pile on to the vote with almost no repercussions since black role is "anti-town" and it also gets rid of a competitor. Let the mafia deal with it, I assume iGrok is balrog=SK since he's apparently bulletproof (syg day shot him). This part got me convinced: He also claims that he's fine with lynching either Prp or WBG and that both are scummy.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz)
Yet later in the thread jackal makes two things very clear. One: WBG is very likely third party(pushes this multiple times) and Two: Jackal would vote for a scummy player but doesn't find anyone else scummy:
Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? I can understand if there was a transition between the two but there wasn't. He goes from "I think prp is a good scum vote straight to "vote wbg!". What about you? Put it in the context it was posted in. On September 18 2011 21:44 Jackal58 wrote: Then I suppose it's time for a paradigm shift Mr. jcarlsoniv. Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz) You've just flip flopped on iGrok and me. I guess that makes you scum. I posted my reasoning for the switch (he's probably third party, let mafia deal with him). You didn't. He wins with mafia, why would mafia deal with him? He wins by SURVIVING. That's with either party, town or mafia. If he's bulletproof (which apparently he ISN'T anymore) then he would only die by being lynched. That makes it easier to ally with town so we wouldn't lynch him. At that time, I wrote that post based on the information then (he got shot, survived, he looked like he was lying in his claim). Yeah, he wins with mafia TOO, so why would mafia kill waste a KP on him over townie? He can pick his side and he sure will pick a side that suits him best. Also no townie can confirm 100% that iGrok actually isn't mafia. Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:05 syllogism wrote: He is still claiming to be Balrog the Neutral Survivor who had to kill a townie (wait woops he doesn't even have to personally kill him despite having abilities specifically designed for it!) before he wins and then he can win with either alignment! And our win con is to purge all Evil so if Balrog isn't evil, well Curu really messed up Also this. Something stinks about iGrok's claim for sure. ##Vote iGrok iGrok i still would like to hear your response, why do you find sandroba scummy?
If we use his ability and hit a scum, it puts us in a very advantageous position. Mafia might kill him in the hopes that he doesn't choose to use his kill.
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On September 22 2011 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 22 2011 04:17 chaoser wrote: Yeah it's WIFOM but not all WIFOM is the same. Everything in the game is technically WIFOM, even someone pushing intensely for a mafia's lynch. This one literally makes no sense. Agreed, I don't think chaoser and iGrok are part of a scum team together. If he planned to bus his teammate, he would have kept his vote there. On September 22 2011 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2011 04:03 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2011 03:57 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 03:55 Jackal58 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:37 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 03:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote: iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia.
##vote: Jackal58 Could you explain how your opinion shifted from lynching igrok to letting him live in such a short amount of time? How did the claim go from scum to no sense as mafia? Also, what in specific about radfield's case makes you think jackal is scum? I never said he was scum. I was thinking how it was protactinium all over again (black role saying it would help town if town helped it) and voted him on a jerk-knee reaction. 5 minutes later I remembered that the way we dealt with the prot case was to just let him die and not wasting a lynch. We're here to lynch mafia, not waste time on third parties. A third party lynch is a lynch that mafia loves. They get to pile on to the vote with almost no repercussions since black role is "anti-town" and it also gets rid of a competitor. Let the mafia deal with it, I assume iGrok is balrog=SK since he's apparently bulletproof (syg day shot him). This part got me convinced: He also claims that he's fine with lynching either Prp or WBG and that both are scummy.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz)
Yet later in the thread jackal makes two things very clear. One: WBG is very likely third party(pushes this multiple times) and Two: Jackal would vote for a scummy player but doesn't find anyone else scummy:
Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? I can understand if there was a transition between the two but there wasn't. He goes from "I think prp is a good scum vote straight to "vote wbg!". What about you? Put it in the context it was posted in. On September 18 2011 21:44 Jackal58 wrote: Then I suppose it's time for a paradigm shift Mr. jcarlsoniv. Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz) You've just flip flopped on iGrok and me. I guess that makes you scum. I posted my reasoning for the switch (he's probably third party, let mafia deal with him). You didn't. He wins with mafia, why would mafia deal with him? He wins by SURVIVING. That's with either party, town or mafia. If he's bulletproof (which apparently he ISN'T anymore) then he would only die by being lynched. That makes it easier to ally with town so we wouldn't lynch him. At that time, I wrote that post based on the information then (he got shot, survived, he looked like he was lying in his claim). Yeah, he wins with mafia TOO, so why would mafia kill waste a KP on him over townie? He can pick his side and he sure will pick a side that suits him best. Also no townie can confirm 100% that iGrok actually isn't mafia. On September 22 2011 04:05 syllogism wrote: He is still claiming to be Balrog the Neutral Survivor who had to kill a townie (wait woops he doesn't even have to personally kill him despite having abilities specifically designed for it!) before he wins and then he can win with either alignment! And our win con is to purge all Evil so if Balrog isn't evil, well Curu really messed up Also this. Something stinks about iGrok's claim for sure. ##Vote iGrok iGrok i still would like to hear your response, why do you find sandroba scummy? If we use his ability and hit a scum, it puts us in a very advantageous position. Mafia might kill him in the hopes that he doesn't choose to use his kill. Can you confirm 100% iGrok is not mafia?
Can you confirm 100% anyone is not mafia? The question you want to be asking is "Can you attest that the chances of X being mafia are higher than the chances of Y being mafia?"
If Y was iGrok, I would say yes for the following current candidates -Palmar -TranceStorm -I'm undecided on Jackal and pyo
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On September 22 2011 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:28 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you confirm 100% iGrok is not mafia? You are blue fishing so fucking hard right now Yeah, sorry about that. I meant to say: What makes you and Cyber_Cheese think iGrok would ally town over mafia?
Town is the majority, his kill would end the game faster if it were to hit a mafia, and that brings his victory closer as well as ours.
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On September 22 2011 04:40 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 22 2011 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2011 04:28 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you confirm 100% iGrok is not mafia? You are blue fishing so fucking hard right now Yeah, sorry about that. I meant to say: What makes you and Cyber_Cheese think iGrok would ally town over mafia? Town is the majority, his kill would end the game faster if it were to hit a mafia, and that brings his victory closer as well as ours. That's wrong. We are the majority, but mafia has a much higher killpotential. They only lost DrH. We lost many more people. Right now, the scumteam is in an advanteogus position.
Only because we seem to be concerning ourselves with the third parties, don't forget the scum kp usually goes down as they die, and we can try and find one today to kill. If iGrok's kill isn't on the person we want it on, we lynch him tomorrow and he loses. We don't have to hand over the ring and seal the deal he proposed, he's going to value his survival and eventual victory more than he will value the spite of wasting his kp on one of us.
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On September 22 2011 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 22 2011 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2011 04:28 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you confirm 100% iGrok is not mafia? You are blue fishing so fucking hard right now Yeah, sorry about that. I meant to say: What makes you and Cyber_Cheese think iGrok would ally town over mafia? Town is the majority, his kill would end the game faster if it were to hit a mafia, and that brings his victory closer as well as ours. Or then he can wait to the late game and see which side is more powerful. Right now mafia is doing far better then town. And town still can't be sure he is not mafia, only mafia knows that.
I'm not sure about you, but that applies to everyone in the game for me.
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On September 22 2011 06:04 prplhz wrote: i'm inclined to believe all this because of how shitty igrok has played it's like he doesn't want to put in any effort at all so he just posts one liners and when his win con is met he tries to ally with town .. it's like a great progamer once put it "it's funny, you won without doing a single thing"
i like chaoser for lynch how about that?
Make a convincing write-up on him and I'll consider it. I'm not a fan of a new lynch target with a couple of hours to go, but it was possible on Errandor so...
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I feel like I should bring up the arguments on Palmar yet again. Here is the only post he ever made a significant response to, followed by said response:
On September 22 2011 01:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 01:11 Palmar wrote: I'm not apathetic you derp, I'm highly enthusiastic about lynching iGrok!
Even if in some crazy world his claim is true (I don't fucking believe it for a second), then he's a survivor and can as well ally with the mafia if they do well.
Just kill him, I think he's not third party, I think he's scum, and should be deaded. Use some of that enthusiasm and respond to the case he made against you + Show Spoiler +On September 21 2011 19:31 iGrok wrote:Oh, ##vote: Palmar. For everything I said earlier. + Show Spoiler [For those of you who skipped my big post] +On September 18 2011 08:24 Palmar wrote: hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow This was his first post. Nothing scummy here, but it sets the mood for everything else he posts. Now, here's a list of his opinions since then. Radfield, WBG, ErrandorprplhzDrHRadfield, himself, Sandroba, PyoPause. Next post. On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote: prplhz should probably give the ring away to his strongest townread. I'd go with one of Radfield, Sandroba, myself and pyo. Derp... prplhz said he doesn't actually have the ring. In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away. btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it. We need to keep an eye on syllo... yarly. chaoser is also very likely town. I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita... Here, minimal interaction with DrH is played off as enough to auto-confirm him. This post sets off alarm bells in my head. Palmar contributed 4 posts before DrH died, 2 of which were "Herp I'm not reading the thread" (He was obviously reading the thread). Its his fourth post that interests me: "DrH is giving me really bad vibes." At the time, it looked like just another throwaway post. But post DrH's death, this post looks more like DrH new he was going to be modkilled and Palmar jumped out early to get a townie point. For the rest of the game, two things are going on. He puts faith in Radfield, and he continues to stress Sandroba town. (yes theres other shit but those're the important parts) Palmar already feels scummy. So lets continue on that assumption, and introduce possibilities. 1)Radfield and Sandroba are both town. If this is true, then Palmar is trying to gain town cred when they flip. With sandroba acting scummy and a possible lynch, and Radfield a good mafia target, thats two points for him. Fits with calling DrH scum.2)Radfield is town, Sandroba is scum. This is using Radfield's town cred to make Sandroba look better. Even those who don't trust Palmar will subliminally put them on closer levels. If sandroba didn't look so damn scummy, it might work.3)Radfield is scum, Sandroba is town. I just... don't see this as possible.4)Both are scum. I don't know what this would mean actually And while your at it, care to answer my questions about you? + Show Spoiler +On September 21 2011 21:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:20 Palmar wrote: How is this even a discussion? Murder the shit out of iGrok. This post aroused some serious suspcions on Palmar when I read it, he wants to shutdown discussion on other possible scum candidates apparently. I took a look through his filter for some background, and subsequently lead me to believe he is scum. When prodded by Syllogism to provide some background, he returns with this: Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 19:12 Palmar wrote:On September 21 2011 17:29 syllogism wrote:On September 21 2011 17:22 Palmar wrote: rofl, die scum die Are you going to do anything useful all game? I'm voting iGrok! If bandwagoning is useful, then sure he's a great help. But in the interests of being fair, let's look more at his voting on IGrok: Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:32 Palmar wrote: Erandorr worked because it was less bad a bandwagon than the others, which has now become apparent. DrH should really have been it, but I wasn't around to push them buttons. I never asked whom you have a town read on, giving that away would be incredibly stupid. I asked if you actually had a town read on someone, (the alternative being you don't have a town read on anyone). I was basically provoking you into start thinking about townies you can trust.
But I know it's extremely hard to work with you're stubborn and have really bad reads. I just hope that you'll be able to figure out what to do if you actually are the ring bearer. And I hope our medics understand that you're a great target tonight too.
In any case, it's time to lynch mafia.
##Vote iGrok Up until this point, his comments on IGrok were Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote: I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita... Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 21:59 Palmar wrote: iGrok's play is so much more passive and less assertive than it was in Ace's game. I'm thinking he's scummery. I'm gonna read the context of his posts better, but just a quick filter and you can see he's not really pushing any ideas, he's just being derp and making one-liners and lists.
So he doesn't like IGroks smell, and the rest of his reasoning relies on meta. It doesn't get any better as time passes Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 00:31 Palmar wrote: Radfield, I'm looking at iGrok. I haven't gotten overly scummy vibes from anyone else (apart from DrH, but he's dead).
Syllogism is... dangerous, he's echoing what Sandroba and I are saying which makes sense if he's town, but he'd do it as scum anyway, because as soon as he disagrees on bad reasoning he's scum. He has made a few good calls though, but I expect him too, both as scum and town.
So the rest are probably lurking, or they're people like Jackal whose alignment I simply can't deduce due to him having a meta of being useless/wrong enough as town that I can't figure him out as scum.
Thing is, townies like posting more than mafia does, and I have quite a few good town reads. I'm actually reading now, so it'll pick up soon enough. We can only lynch one guy today anyway, and iGrok is a great candidate.
Go compare his style this game to his style as town in Ace's game, I'm not talking about content or amount, I'm talking about attitude and context. Notice how everything he uses is purely meta? This in itself is fine, but if you want to use meta, you have to do more than simply mention the word meta. He doesn't prove a comparison of IGrok's current playstyle to this meta, nor does he choose to bring up anything related to IGrok's actions in the current game. I'm not sold on IGrok either, but if this counts as a reason to vote for someone and useful contribution, somethings wrong. ##Unvote##Vote Palmar I feel like this whole case on iGrok is just mafia leading the lynch, because aside from his apparently senseless claim there isn't much on him. He could have just done what Palmar is doing right now and ignored anything that put him in a negative light, but he chose to come forward with his role, and now I believe the mafia are using the role claim to blind town from the questions we raise on them, the most notable of which being iGroks argument against Palmar attached to his role claim.
My replies are underlined, things I consider important are bolded
On September 22 2011 02:25 Palmar wrote: no you're not prplhz, and I agree with you.
I'm not going to respond to a case made by scum Cyber, sorry.
I can answer some of your questions though, because given the last game I played with you, you were dumb enough to believe shit like "mafia shoots people who are obviously town, but wrong" and then voting for obvious townies.
some things.
a) it's not bandwagoning when I'm the first person to vote him
He was under suspicion from yesterday. You did not provide any arguments outside of meta that you couldn't contrast for us.
b) discuss other people all you want, but not lynching iGrok would be nothing sort of stupid right now.
c) I always scumhunt on meta only. Call me bad for it, but I'm actually very effective at finding scum. I'm a bit of a dick so I'm less effective at convincing town.
I ignore cases other people bring up just in case people act the same as they did in previous games?
But yeah, iGrok claiming is weird and unbelievable. Breaking down that reply leaves:
On September 22 2011 04:04 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I meant to say, at least that is what he claims. well you're right, he does win with mafia So, let me sum this shit up. iGrok claims 3rd party role that wins with mafia. We have Cyber_cheese defending him like the baddie he is, could be town/could be mafiaSo if you aren't sure I'm scum why don't you reply to all my points instead of picking and choosing?we have chaoser telling us to let mafia deal with him... what the hell? mafia would not shoot him in a million years. mafia. and we have Drazerk claiming medic to save 3rd party (what the shit?) because he's sure mafia will go after him.... mafia. can't be this terrible. This is hilarious.
On September 22 2011 02:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:+ Show Spoiler [nestled quote shown above] +On September 22 2011 02:25 Palmar wrote: no you're not prplhz, and I agree with you.
I'm not going to respond to a case made by scum Cyber, sorry.
I can answer some of your questions though, because given the last game I played with you, you were dumb enough to believe shit like "mafia shoots people who are obviously town, but wrong" and then voting for obvious townies.
some things.
a) it's not bandwagoning when I'm the first person to vote him
b) discuss other people all you want, but not lynching iGrok would be nothing sort of stupid right now.
c) I always scumhunt on meta only. Call me bad for it, but I'm actually very effective at finding scum. I'm a bit of a dick so I'm less effective at convincing town.
But yeah, iGrok claiming is weird and unbelievable. So can you provide the meta your using with comparison or not? I already stated it... day 1 of some mafia game by Ace. It's really not relevant anymore since he claimed an anti town role. Then he claimed a medic save (no medic in their right mind would save him at that point). So what exactly are you voting him on if this meta is inaccurate?
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On September 22 2011 06:46 GreYMisT wrote: My vote will remain on Jackal. Radfield how do you recommend we direct IGrok's target?
On September 22 2011 06:52 Drazerk wrote: If we have a vigi he should be aiming his gun at palmar tonight.
It's best we consolidate onto jackal for today especially with how little time we have left
I'm not sure that consolidating on Jackal is a good idea, but I think we found a target.
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On September 22 2011 06:51 sandroba wrote: Man here is the deal. Let's assume igrok is telling the truth. We don't lynch him and we tell him to shoot X person tonight. Obviously if that person is mafia he will be roleblocked. If the person is town they will either let the shot go through or roleblock him and create a fucking mess and possibly waste more lynches. He can withold his shot indefinitely and claim rb. He can claim he found saruman at any time and possibly make us mislynch. We can't deal with him later in the game close to lylo. So even if he is actually telling the truth I don't see how we can trust this and trust he won't do pro-mafia actions. There is currently 7 townies and 1 mafia dead, so I know who I would side with if I was what he claims to be. Mafia is never going to get rid of him for us. We can either lynch him now or have a copy of this day at a later date, so I don't think we have much of a choice besides lynching him now.
It's an unstoppable kill, I imagine RB won't stop it.
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On September 22 2011 07:16 prplhz wrote: hey TranceStorm
why are you ghost voting on the bandwagon and why are you always one of the last guys to jump on the bandwagon? I think you missed this post, he will need to answer the second half himself though.
On September 22 2011 06:51 TranceStorm wrote: Both Jackal and Palmar are really really similar in my eyes. Both of them post a ton of one-liners and haven't given really substantive analysis at all this game. Both of them always seem to do that in all of their games. However, Jackal hasn't voiced an opinion at all on the current candidates but continues to jump around calling everyone scum.
My vote will be going to Jackal right now.
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Well here is my initial impressions- Why did so many people wait for Radfield's opinion? Surely your all capable of having one for yourselves. I am currently wondering how this accusation weighs in:
On September 22 2011 06:09 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 06:06 OriginalName wrote: Im down for lynching one of those two but I havent decided which one I want to move to yet.
I still think Pyo is a decent lynch but I agree that vote spreading can be detremental at this point.
Radfield purely out of curiousity why Jackal over Palmar? Scum buddies
I am also thinking that night might be the perfect time to work on the cipher, since throwing around things like the one above can make you a priority target.
On iGrok's kill; It occurs to me that every day we don't use it is a day that mafia have a reason to attack him on, whether this is a worthy trade-off for waiting I am not sure, I'd much prefer to use it but I can see value in saving it and it's probably worthy of debate. Giving him the ring for night immunity to absorb more hits I played around with in my head and is stupid.
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On September 22 2011 19:10 supersoft wrote: yes well, sorry for not voting, i was so tired and i slept in. i didnt want to vote for jackal. therefore i tried to find a better target. palmar what do you think about radfield. i think he controlled the town day1/2 and lead us nowhere. jackal really was a bad lynch. lynching him this early in the game when he had no time to do something and scum had no time to shoot him isn't optimal.
When presented with the choice, he chose jackal for whatever reason,and then all those people figured they could follow his lead. While you should remember that Jackal didn't look innocent, the case was better on Palmar than it was on Jackal, I suspect him and/or several of the people that moved to Jackal are scum.
These people were on both Errandor and Jackal's wagons at days end, and in my opinion are therefore people we should be wary of: -Radfield -kitaman27 -OriginalName -TranceStorm -Drazerk
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On September 22 2011 21:04 prplhz wrote: @palmar
how the hell is drazerk pushing scum agenda? if he is pushing scum agenda then igrok is clearly scum, why doesn't he appear on your list?
because he's the one doing the kill? If we're voting on the NK or at least making cases for it, I'm going with Palmar for reasons that appear in my filter.
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