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On September 06 2011 10:43 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 10:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 06 2011 10:38 Ace wrote: you seem like a huge advocate for balanced games and get really pissed when set ups venture off the norm. So I'm going to put a little bit of faith in you and ask you: How often do you see no-flip games with 15 people have more than 3 scum? Because sandroba's explanation (which makes sense to me) seems to suggest otherwise.
I only get pissed when setups venture off the norm without trying to balance both sides. Which happens a lot because most hosts dont do What If scenarios. But whatever. No flip games with 15 people having more than 3 Scum: A.) 15 player Normals often dont have more than 3 Scum anyway. B.) Reading through the OP there is a possibility for more than 3 Scum because of revival roles for the Town. If the Coroner can confirm players as pro-town then even being revived for 1 Day is a major advantage for the Town. It's essentially a temporary Tree Stump. That being said having more than 3 Scum so that the Town doesn't run wild is likely. C.) redFF, sinani, myself, bumatlarge, jackal - all claimed roles. I know I'm town, and even assuming sinani and redFF are Town, bum being Scum, and Jackal being Town then there has to be some kind of revival role left out there. 2 Coroners, my game ending role, Jackal's alleged role: Thats a lot of power on the Town side. Either the Mafia would have 3 players with brutal roles or more than 3. If we accept that the inhibitor was 1 of them then that leaves 2 Mafia power roles. They'd pretty much have to have the necromancer or some revival roles or else as I said above - this game would end quickly. Which means the last power role has to be something awesome if there are 3 Mafia. A 1 shot sure-fire kill is great, but doesn't scream monstrous to me. I'm not buying the there has to be 3 Mafia argument yet. If you have such a kickass role that activates when you die, why the fuck are you so scared of getting lynched? Really? Show me where I have been scared of getting lynched. Come on read the thread - have I REALLY been trying hard not to get lynched? lol what a scrub No you haven't. You've appear to be bound and determined to make it happen. That's what scares me. I still don't believe you're town aligned.
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Varpulis has decomposed I believe. No res for him. Read the updated player list Ace. Then read the last daypost if you don't believe that.
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On September 06 2011 11:22 Ace wrote: Look at the role description for Coroner in the OP. Just read it. Tell me what it means. Coroner Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). It means Coroner gets role and alignment back as soon as iGrok receives the request. Wtf does this have to do with ressing Varpulis?
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On September 06 2011 11:46 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 04:22 wherebugsgo wrote: Wtf why would mafia not res ON? That's 1 KP, mafia plus zombie= 1 KP. Because ON is scum. Why make us lynch a scum twice when they can resurrect one of the townies they killed and make us lynch town? Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 11:25 jcarlsoniv wrote: I have an idea. It may already be too late, but it's worth doing probably. @Jackal, to make sure sandroba doesn't get RBd again, you could protect him.
Inhibitor (RB) is dead according to sinani. If Jackal goes for Sandroba, it shouldn't be for this reason. In fact, he shouldn't go for sandroba at all, because that way scum will know exactly who he's going for. Or maybe he should go for sandroba because scum now think he won't go for him. Or maybe Jackal is mafia. chaos13's To Do List 1. Lynch Ace 2. Lynch bumatlarge 3. Survive the night 4. Lynch jcarlsoniv, Kenpachi, and Jackal if the game isn't over. Last remaining scum are in those five names. It gives them KP Chaos. 1 for ON being scum .5 for ON being Zombiefied. iGrok answered this a couple pages ago. It also gives them their role blocker back. It also forces us to lynch known scum. Effectively removing one of our lynches. And if you didn't call me scum at least once I'd be disappointed.
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On September 06 2011 22:34 sandroba wrote: @jackal we know that priest is still alive (and not me because I've been roleblocked) based on the order the effects go through. Protect one wbg/chaos/kenpachi tonight, as one of those ought to be priest.
I'm a little puzzled about your claim and iGrok's flow chart of order of effects. How is a protection role even possible if other effects come after killing effects? huh? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11254029 It's not in other effects. Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects. It's a blocking effect. I block all evil doers from visiting a person during that day cycle. If I have chosen a person to protect and scum try to hit them or role block them they are blocked. Scum cannot target a person I am protecting. I have already picked the person I am protecting. I will in all likelihood continue to protect this person as long as I am still alive. No I'm not telling you who it is.
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As I also stated before I do not block town aligned actions.
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On September 07 2011 00:06 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 23:43 Jackal58 wrote: As I also stated before I do not block town aligned actions. Yeah, but you realize your role makes little sense in this setup right? Just make sure you are aiming at the HP when you use if you are telling the truth. What doesn't make sense? With the scum team being able to increase their KP through the use of zombies it makes perfect sense. Without lynching any scum by day 3 scum kp would have been at 3. And yes I believe we lynched scum. Their kp indicates that. What doesn't make sense?
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Jesus Christ. My role says I block all evil doers from visiting a person. It also says I don't stop town aligned persons from visiting that person. If there is ambiguity in it it's not my fault. I didn't write the goddamned thing I just got it. And you'd have to ask iGrok why he told me to stick around because I'd be resurrected. Oversight on his part I'd imagine or he intentionally wanted me to know I was hit by the minion.
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On September 07 2011 04:58 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 23:41 Jackal58 wrote:On September 06 2011 22:34 sandroba wrote: @jackal we know that priest is still alive (and not me because I've been roleblocked) based on the order the effects go through. Protect one wbg/chaos/kenpachi tonight, as one of those ought to be priest.
I'm a little puzzled about your claim and iGrok's flow chart of order of effects. How is a protection role even possible if other effects come after killing effects? huh? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11254029It's not in other effects. Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects. It's a blocking effect. I block all evil doers from visiting a person during that day cycle. If I have chosen a person to protect and scum try to hit them or role block them they are blocked. Scum cannot target a person I am protecting. I have already picked the person I am protecting. I will in all likelihood continue to protect this person as long as I am still alive. No I'm not telling you who it is. Found it Hit OR role block he says. igrok's last post says that's not possible. Ace are you being purposely thick? Ya because they can't visit them. Are you intentionally thick?
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On September 07 2011 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 09:42 Jackal58 wrote:On September 05 2011 09:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 05 2011 09:37 Jackal58 wrote:On September 05 2011 09:31 sinani206 wrote:OK, this is the deal. I am a Coroner. redFF was my Apprentice. When I was lynched Day 1, I had not used either of my checks (note: the role pm did not say there was a limit to checks per day) So redFF got them both when I died. He only used one, on Varpulis, but he said that he used one on me, too. But the thing is he knew that I was Coroner since he was my apprentice and decided to check someone else. So today, when I was revived, I was notified that I only had one check left. So I checked OriginalName, who was/is an inhibitor, to check how accurate the speculative scumteam of ON, bum, and Ace was. Obviously, from my information, it was pretty accurate. Everyone, vote for Ace and bum. I am much more sure about bum being scum, just because this is the first game I've played with Ace. Also, assuming we have a 1/1/1 scum team of Minion, Necromancer and Inhibitor, and that we only have one priest, one of the people revived today besides me has a power (one who must have been killed by the minion on Day 1) and the third person is a Zombie. Since we know it was a Minion shot that killed the second revival, and because Mafia had only 2 regular KP on Day 1, the Daywalker has not yet used his shot. If you feel confident, use your shot today, on Ace or bum. If not, we can just lynch both of them and win either way. EZ PZ. I agree with all of this. This leaves Drazerk as a Zombie. I'd say Daywalker shoot him, we lynch Bum and Ace. If we are wrong on one of them we should still destroy scum KP. Why isn't it possible that you're the zombie? Or even sinani? Because I was told when I died I would be ressed This also contradicts the OP. Ask iGrok. I can't speak for his reasons.
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On September 07 2011 05:07 wherebugsgo wrote: I mean, no doubt he was a minion shot, but how the hell would he KNOW he was shot by the minion? The OP says no players are told how they are resurrected, I can't believe this claim based on what Jackal is insinuating.
From what it says in the OP I'd suppose that revived players are informed at the end of the daycycle that they've been revived, and upon their death that they MAY be revived. Jackal is saying he pretty much knew he would be revived from the PM he got about his death. Ask iGrok.
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On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP.
None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway.
The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that. Well maybe we're not all as freaking good as you are. I was hoping to shed some light on who was the Zombie. It was painfully obvious Sinani was ressed by the HP. I knew, whether through mistake or not, that the Minion hit me. That left Drazork as the Zombie. After seeing the shit fest you and Sandroba have kicked up over Ace, in hindsight yes, I should have kept my mouth shut. How the hell was I to know you guys were going to start a shit storm and ignore the player that is providing scum with .5 kp. Don't you dare pull that you're not very good bullshit on me. As soon as I ressed scum knew I was blue. As soon as I was ressed I knew I had an enormous target on me. Or aren't you bright enough to see that.
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Oh and the person I've targeted from evildoers today is ON. You fucking figure it out.
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On September 07 2011 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 05:25 Jackal58 wrote:On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP.
None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway.
The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that. Well maybe we're not all as freaking good as you are. I was hoping to shed some light on who was the Zombie. It was painfully obvious Sinani was ressed by the HP. I knew, whether through mistake or not, that the Minion hit me. That left Drazork as the Zombie. After seeing the shit fest you and Sandroba have kicked up over Ace, in hindsight yes, I should have kept my mouth shut. How the hell was I to know you guys were going to start a shit storm and ignore the player that is providing scum with .5 kp. Don't you dare pull that you're not very good bullshit on me. As soon as I ressed scum knew I was blue. As soon as I was ressed I knew I had an enormous target on me. Or aren't you bright enough to see that. LOL nice emotional appeal mate I can't take you seriously when your contradictions line up with a defense post that isn't reasoned or thought out, it's full of emotional personal attacks. That's a mafia tactic. No that's my response to somebody calling me a dumbass.
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On September 07 2011 05:36 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 05:34 Jackal58 wrote:On September 07 2011 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 07 2011 05:25 Jackal58 wrote:On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP.
None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway.
The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that. Well maybe we're not all as freaking good as you are. I was hoping to shed some light on who was the Zombie. It was painfully obvious Sinani was ressed by the HP. I knew, whether through mistake or not, that the Minion hit me. That left Drazork as the Zombie. After seeing the shit fest you and Sandroba have kicked up over Ace, in hindsight yes, I should have kept my mouth shut. How the hell was I to know you guys were going to start a shit storm and ignore the player that is providing scum with .5 kp. Don't you dare pull that you're not very good bullshit on me. As soon as I ressed scum knew I was blue. As soon as I was ressed I knew I had an enormous target on me. Or aren't you bright enough to see that. LOL nice emotional appeal mate I can't take you seriously when your contradictions line up with a defense post that isn't reasoned or thought out, it's full of emotional personal attacks. That's a mafia tactic. No that's my response to somebody calling me a dumbass. Yes, because clearly someone called you a dumbass.
On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP.
None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway.
The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that.
Half your posts in this game are condescending to the person you disagree with. I suck as town because I claimed? I suck as town because I wanted town to know who the Zombie was? I suck as town because scum know I'm blue? I suck as town because Sandroba asked me to claim since he understood that scum knows I'm blue? I suck as town because I know how you derps act if somebody doesn't comply with your wishes? I suck as town because iGrok either accidentally or intentionally told me I would be resurrected? Stick it in you ear Bugs.
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On September 07 2011 05:48 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 09:55 Jackal58 wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 sandroba wrote: Also we should not lynch zombie today. We lynch bum who is 100% scum and ace who is 95% scum. That will keep kp neatly at one even if the game is not over somehow, so killing off ressed players is a waste today. I agree. Drazerk is not lynch bait. Anybody that votes for him is scum or dumb. He is a good day vig shot though. Nothing personal Drazerk but reading the thread while I was dead leads me to the conclusion that sinani was ressed and you are reanimated. BTW Jackal just contradicted himself wrt to the zombie. If I'm reading this (and his most recent post) correctly he's saying me and sandroba have started a shitstorm over Ace while completely ignoring the 0.5 KP zombie res that is Drazerk. Well, if you thought that was a problem before why would you say that anyone who votes Drazerk would either be scum or dumb? Either we're ignoring Drazerk because we're scumbuddies or we're ignoring Drazerk because we know there are mafia left to lynch. Make up your mind man Where did I contradict myself? I said if I had known what the day was going to bring I would never have opened my mouth about who the Zombie was. Nobody has mentioned his name in the last 8 pages.
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On September 07 2011 05:52 wherebugsgo wrote: I should clarify, the zeal with which you protect your claim despite it being contradictory (and these two contradictions being confirmed in the OP and by a mod clarification) Show me the mod clarification.
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I'm leaving. I won't be back until well after day post. If you guys do decide to lynch me get your votes in early because the last one to vote for me dies with me. And in case you missed it I am visiting our recently departed ON. You figure it out.
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On September 07 2011 06:44 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 05:54 Jackal58 wrote:On September 07 2011 05:52 wherebugsgo wrote: I should clarify, the zeal with which you protect your claim despite it being contradictory (and these two contradictions being confirmed in the OP and by a mod clarification) Show me the mod clarification. Here: Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 02:07 iGrok wrote:On September 06 2011 22:40 sandroba wrote: Also since you prevent actions, you should have to act even before roleblocker.
iGrok, can you clarify if it's possible for something to act before roleblocking effects? Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects. No effects on the same tier can affect each other. So, you cannot block a block. Killing a Vig does not prevent his kill. Etc. unless otherwise specified. Mod clarification in red. Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 23:41 Jackal58 wrote:On September 06 2011 22:34 sandroba wrote: @jackal we know that priest is still alive (and not me because I've been roleblocked) based on the order the effects go through. Protect one wbg/chaos/kenpachi tonight, as one of those ought to be priest.
I'm a little puzzled about your claim and iGrok's flow chart of order of effects. How is a protection role even possible if other effects come after killing effects? huh? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11254029It's not in other effects. Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects. It's a blocking effect. I block all evil doers from visiting a person during that day cycle. If I have chosen a person to protect and scum try to hit them or role block them they are blocked. Scum cannot target a person I am protecting. I have already picked the person I am protecting. I will in all likelihood continue to protect this person as long as I am still alive. No I'm not telling you who it is. bolded red=contradicts mod clarification bold=self contradiction plus rule regarding death contradiction. You say you're not going to tell us who you're protecting but then you claim you're protecting ON (apparently from being ressed.) Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 05:30 Jackal58 wrote: Oh and the person I've targeted from evildoers today is ON. You fucking figure it out. The blatant contradiction is that you told us you wouldn't say who you're targetting. Well, now that you've said it you've thrown a bunch of WIFOM into the mix. Then, I think a little less obvious self contradiction is this: You said that you'd be "protecting" this person for the rest of the time you're alive. This doesn't make sense in the context of the target you chose to reveal because, if you wanted to prevent mafia from ressing ON then you would only have to "protect" him once. So, in that case, why would you say that you would be protecting the same person the rest of the time you are alive? Clarified your clarification
I just got home from work. I have about 10 minutes before I leave for bowling. I received a PM telling me my role is apparently imba and I can only visit the living. It originally said all players that may be remaining in the game. And yes you pissed me off. So I said what I was doing. You want me to wait til there is 5 minutes left to tell you like Bum did? You'd call me scum for that too. The more I thought about it on my ride home the more it seemed to me that you are the remaining scum. The only people I ever see work so hard to get a person with a protection role lynched is scum. Your arguments against my role are the same arguments you call Ace "noob" repeatedly for using. You can't have it both ways. Odds are I'll be dead shortly. You don't want to waste a shot on me if you can get me lynched. And ya it's easy to say you'll lynch me tomorrow if the games not over because you know the game won't be over either. I hate making an OMGUS but dude you're scum. And btw Ace isn't scum. He doesn't want to get lynched. He wants scum to shoot him. I'd rather he stayed alive for a while. Oh and if you do want to lynch me don't be last to vote for me because you will die. I'm compelled to tell you that after I have received a vote. I am the Guardian Angel. I didn't write my role. I just got stuck with it.
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On September 07 2011 10:37 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh but wait, I wanted to see Ace's "zomg wtf game ending power".
I am disappoint. Ace needed to be shot. That's what his big game ending bs was trying to provoke.
Since nobody else seems inclined to ask him iGrok did you tell me I would be revived in my death notice?
Squash the bugs. WBG is scum.
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