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Palmar is scum. See you in the morning! | ||
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I Was just joining in the fun that was the first few pages of this thread. Be sure that the rest of my posts will look like your first one did. | ||
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On August 19 2011 20:42 nard wrote: good morning! lol! hiro and I are damaged from last mini mafia where palmar singlehandedly won the game :D hey to both of you. regarding the early accusations: i see nothing yet which lets me believe we have a scum for certain. but i am damaged from last mini mafia: if dropbear ever dies and turns out to be not scum, Palmar is on my hit list :D -__- why does no one remember that I was palmars scum buddy and we won together with some come from behind play, when are 3rd scum got himself killed day one. Palmar and I worked like a well oiled machine. A vote on Palmer on day 1 would be stupid. IMO, saying your got a read on Palmar day 1 is like saying Im sure I solved this crossword puzzle correct even though Im blindfolded. I just been rockclimbing the last 12 hours and I am beat. I will be a active, contributing member of town come morning. | ||
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Also, Im gonna say it again: QuickSilver7's posts are fucking awesome. I dont care if he thinks Im scummy. | ||
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how much time is there before the day ends | ||
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I would be down with lynching RayzorFlash | ||
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On August 21 2011 08:27 supersoft wrote: good god, you're such a douche. Why exactly do you even play this game? "awww there are 15 votes on me and the day ends in 5 hours - okay i give up" no need to be a dick about it. besides, if you dont want him to die, would you vote for Ryazerflash? | ||
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On August 21 2011 08:38 Mig wrote: I went to bed broski. After reading back through everything I actually think chaoser is scummier than sevryn. He spent the start of the day making bland fluff posts giving generic advice to town and followed it up with doing absolutely no scum hunting. For comparison look at his posts day1 and day2 of mafia 39 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216644&user=41788. In 39 chaoser absolutely dominated as town single handedly taking out half the scum team within the first 2 days. In that game he didn't make any fluff posts giving generic advice, he spent all his time actively pressuring people and doing real scum hunting. And now look at his play and his activity this game. It is the polar opposite. I still think sevryn is scummy but his play is at least similar to his town meta, chaoser is playing completely out of character for his town play and is contributing nothing when he is a very strong player. Vote: Chaoser If people don't switch I will go back to sevryn before the deadline. Chaoser was a Vet in that game. His job was to be Mr. fucking pro-town to draw hits. Might not be a fair comparison. Not to give him a free pass, he has been shy this game. | ||
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lets vote RayzorFlash everyone! | ||
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so for those of us around who think Sevryn is actual a townie we have 2 options: 1. make a no-lynch happen. This would save Sevryn who might be town, but yield no information around a lynch. It would also keep him around as a suspect, and we would still be at square one. 2. We lynch Sevryn. We at least will see him flip, and he might be scum. I dont think thats likely thou. Scumhunting can begin fresh again, as we can focus on new suspects. I dont like it, but lynch looks like our best option | ||
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I want to switch to razor. others do to, but if you make the switch you must promise to stay around till the dead line in order to guarantee a lynch. if by 15 min. till the deadline and we dont have enough votes we all switch back to Sev. cool? Say you switch, and there is not enough to make a lynch happen, but you dont switch back to Sev, the consequences will be dire ##Vote: RazorFlash | ||
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On August 21 2011 10:42 supersoft wrote: I switch at 10:55 me too. | ||
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It was worth a try, but not enough people that where here wanted to switch. Im going back to Sev, everyone that switched needs to as well gogogo! ##Unvote ##Vote Sevryn | ||
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Palmar, rage if you want, but you know that any case for you right now is dumb. Vis, Yes that was my idea. As the day went on, It looked more and more like Sev was town. Mafia, however could sit on him as a vote claiming that they would prefer a lynch to a no lynch. Razor seemed scummier. My actions speak for themselves. also, I dont think Razor is a good lynch today, there are more important suspects to look at. | ||
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On August 22 2011 03:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Hiro: Palmar isn't raging. He's trying to manipulate town with an appeal to emotion. I'm surprised he's even trying, it's one of the most obvious scum-tells there is. Regarding Rayzor, if he was a good enough target to risk a no-lynch today with your ill-fated vote-switch, what has changed in your opinion that makes him not-so tomorrow? Palmar: You're better than this. Your play has NOT been good, you haven't provided ANYTHING aside from your weak case against DB, and admittedly I haven't read your case against BB yet (I'm working on it). The fact that you're using that as a reason to rage when everyone here knows you're better than that makes me very suspicious. 1. Where did I say that I dont find him scummy? I said there are better targets today. 2. the fact that you haven't even looked at all of Palmars post before accusing him doesn't give your accusation much weight. | ||
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[QUOTE]On August 22 2011 04:13 VisceraEyes wrote: it's like you're saying Rayzor wasn't a good lynch candidate d1QUOTE] You keep trying to put words in my mouth. why? | ||
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whats either chaoser of brownbear? | ||
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I am so down for lynching xtfftc today. ##Vote: xtfftc | ||
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I have no idea what your trying to say Vain... | ||
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On August 23 2011 04:30 xtfftc wrote: And while he is working on it, how about you sharing your thoughts on my persona? The first time you ever mentioned me was when you voted for my lynching. well, there's this: On August 20 2011 05:09 xtfftc wrote: ##Vote: Palmar He obviously had something in mind and there's no way he wasn't aware of how his accusations would be perceived by the rest of us. However, his strategy hasn't benefited town by now. He has until the deadline to convince me to vote DropBear or BrownBear. If nothing meaningful comes out of the discussion initiated by him, I'd rather have one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around. I'd also like to point out that it shouldn't be that difficult to convince me to switch to DropBear, considering DropBear's behaviour. yeah, If I was scum, I wouldn't want someone around that randomly accusing people ether. I mean, why would you want anyone to do something that puts pressure on scum, right? | ||
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THANK YOU Jackal. VE, Im gonna say this one more time: STOP. PUTTING. WORDS. IN. MY. MOUTH. If you want me to clarification on something I sad, just say something like "hey hiro, is that a soft defend of Palmer?". Or, how about asking me " yo, mr. Protagonist, what are your thoughts on palmar? do you think he is scum?". that way, I can use my own words, which *surprise!* can be analyzed? your really grinding my gears... when you say something like this: On August 23 2011 04:57 VisceraEyes wrote: hiro - I say we take a hard look at VAIN and lynch XTC. I'll even put my vote on it if you'll agree. Vain is the very picture of inactive and is more worth a random bullet some random night than a lynch. We should use our lynch for people we're relatively certain is scum...and your post reads more like you're more certain that XT is scum. So why not lynch scum instead of an inactive that 'makes your scumdar go crazy'...he hasn't posted enough for us to ACTUALLY divine his alignment, let's give him that opportunity...or make him eat a bullet. Its obvious you haven't read the thread because *surprise!* Im already voting for him... -____________________________________________________- | ||
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But Im still serious about the not putting words in my mouth part... | ||
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On August 23 2011 05:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Hey...hiro...were you soft-defending Palmar? Nope, thanks for asking. I was pointing out a scummy comment by xtfftc. | ||
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On August 23 2011 05:37 xtfftc wrote: It puts pressure on everyone and can be detrimental to discussion. Don't take things out of context, please. I did not say anything about the negative aspects of random accusations. I said that if I was scum, I would not want someone around that randomly accuses people. | ||
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On August 23 2011 05:59 RayzorFlash wrote: Kk, heres some clear questions: Hiro, what do you think of xtfftc?He's scum Why did you choose to vote for him?He's scum I want some opinions on who you think is scummyxtfftc and who you think isntthe game is called find the scum, not find the townie... You've been wayyy too guarded this entire game, and have avoided saying anything about your opinions at all.lol Please stop this bullshit of voting without a reason, this is almost as bad as "stealth voting" and "ninja voting", IMO... Give a reason for why your votes are deliberately ambiguousNo. Dont like it? Vote for me KK, my turn! what do you think of xtfftc? what about Mig? | ||
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On August 23 2011 06:40 Foolishness wrote: Wait a minute, you said that me using meta in my arguments was pointless and (for the most part) rampant speculation. But now you're voting for Hiro based on meta? WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS WORLD yeah, he's not following his own advice: On August 23 2011 00:53 VisceraEyes wrote: It's also a good way to find scum...in fact, contradictory behavior is one of the BEST ways to find scum. lol | ||
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looking forward to what BrownBear has to say. also, the following people need to chime in and give opinions: Trotske Lucidity Munk-E GreYMisT nard Pyo Kurumi | ||
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This exact situation happened in wherewolfs. day2, someone claims DT, we keep him alive. Town then spends 2 days trying to decide if the claimer is telling the truth or not. we kill him 2 days later: he was a DT. Knowing this, I wish I would have lynched him right when he claimed. We would have lost a DT, but established an important meta: claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen! claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen I say there is a 50/50 chance that DB is scum. considering all thats happened today, thats good enough to lynch off of. ##Vote: DropBear DB, If you town, I am sorry, but you left us in a terrible situation. xtfftc defense has been fairly reasonable. he has not back away from what he said, and he seems to general feel that he has done nothing wrong. good on ya xtfftc, lets scum hunt. Also, apologies to GreyMist for calling him out when I didn't notice he was asking for a replacement. | ||
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how so? | ||
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On August 24 2011 04:28 Foolishness wrote: Since DropBear is pulling a Coagulation, we can just leave him alone for now. If he really is medic (which I believe him to be) then the mafia will just kill him in the following nights. If he is mafia, then he will still be alive after a few days, in which we would reevaluate the case against him. We need to figure out who we're lynching now. You all know what I think, but tossing random votes on DropBear or supersoft is not going to help the town. No, Mafia would be pleased as punch to let him live out the night. They love the WIFOM that it creates. DropBear is the best lynch right now. His death will shead some light on your alignment, as well as show that Mig might not be to far off of his usually good scumhunting powers. | ||
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##Unvote: DropBear Im just gonna sheep whoever is the highest vote is by the end of the day. | ||
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Spam MOre? are you asking a question? or just mucking up the thread? | ||
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So ask yourself this: how has anything I have done hurt town atmosphere? How has any of my post been anything other than scum hunting? I have Hid nothing from anyone, and your gonna lynch me for speaking my mind? when I un-voted DB, It was because everyone else thought I was wrong. Fair enough. But is being wrong mean Im Mafia? Also, I still think im right, but am willing to listen to town when they says Im wrong. Does that make me Mafia? This will be my only defense in this mater for now. Im gonna use the last 5 hours of my life to find scum, and try and make a good town atmosphere. | ||
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My actions are my proof. | ||
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I have a few outstanding issues I would like answers to. On August 24 2011 04:56 Foolishness wrote: I would like to point out that Quicksilver7 was suspicious of hiro protagonist day 1. Thats really reaching Foolishness. he was suspect of me at a time when I only had 3 post, and none that where game related. why ignore everything thats happened sense? On August 24 2011 04:42 chaoser wrote: You all know where my vote stands and there it shall stay. Dropbear's odd timing and then his claim as the medic that saved Foolishness, combined with the fact that no one has counterclaimed it leads me to trust his claim. As a consequence of that I trust Foolishness to be town. what? are you advocating that its a good idea for a medic to claim right now. thats scummy. also, tell me how someone coming in claiming they med protected Foolishness would refute DropBear's claim. cuz I dont see it. | ||
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On August 24 2011 06:21 wherebugsgo wrote: You can't use one thing to call someone scum. Your pitfall is that you think you can just accuse someone based on one event.I can accuse someone for any reason I wish. this is really bad logic to think Im scum Yeah, DB fucked up the town atmosphere pretty bad by adding a lot of confusion, but most of us agree that lynching him for it is not going to get us anywhere. The reason is because, while causing chaos is a mafia tactic, we cannot lynch DB solely based on that. In order to identify someone as mafia, you need a pattern of behavior that is consistent with being mafia.There is a consistent pattern. did you not see Migs accusations? He made some very good points I think it's possible that DB is mafia, but his behavior is not as certain as yours.If thats the case, and you think DB might be Mafia, where is the logic that I would push for my scumbuddys lynch? Anyway, how have you hurt town atmosphere? Well, you constantly ask for people's opinions without providing any of your own. You cop out of EVERYTHING. As soon as you receive some pressure, you disappear or add cryptically,"my actions are my proof." Well, that's real convenient, seeing as you've done next to nothing!lol You claim you'll come along with analysis or you will contribute when you are able to, yet you continually post things that show signs of pretending to contribute. Your posts are empty, devoid of reasoning.So you say, but my post are neither empty nor without reasons. maybe you just dont see them When you took flak for your DB vote which was based on like...one line and smelled very strongly like you were trying to start a bandwagon, you immediately backed off and then outright said you would just sheep whoever comes along next. You basically admitted to not having anything useful to contribute because you planned to simply sheep whoever has the most votes.Im willing to admit when I am wrong. when the whole town shot down lynching DB, I was at a lost. Ace once said " its not what you know, but who you can convince." I had just lost any ability to do that when town was like 'lol, you suck hiro' so i said I would sheep the top vote. because I want a lynch as apposed to a no lynch. sorry if that was not obvious. If you have nothing to contribute, then I strongly believe you are mafia. | ||
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Or Erandorr, I would be down for lynching this guy. | ||
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##Vote Mig I would still rather lynch Razorflash, but I can see how that most likely wont happen. | ||
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Erandorr, It would be great if you could put your vote on ether me or Mig. We need to lynch. | ||
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So lets look at the logic: When I respond to someones question with a 'lol', how does that benefit me if Im Scum. Im drawing attention to myself, and I know Im doing it. Ask yourself, what would a scum gain from doing this. Now, what would a townie gain from doing this? He is putting himself under scrutiny, and making him a object of conversation. I dont know about you, but I learn alot about how serious someones accusations are when I challenge them. Its a scum hunting strategy. Palmar is right about my scum meta, but the funny thing is, the same could be said about my town meta. Im super passive, and in all of my past games as town I all ways wondered why I cant be more active. and its because Im to afraid of being wrong that I dont say anything. In RTM I had 3 people in my scum list that where actual scum by the end of the game, but I was afraid to mislynch. I wanted to change that. My strategy has not panned out as well as I hoped. I think its only good when town has a good atmosphere, and scum are trying to find a easy target to lynch. Sorry I messed it up, but I want to get better at this game, as apposed to playing passively. @ bugs: your right, I never came though with an analysis on xtfftc. By the time I was able to write one, I no longer thought him to be the best lynch. also, Brownbear put up an excellent that sumed up my thoughts as well. | ||
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On August 24 2011 08:38 xtfftc wrote: We have 8 votes for Mig and 6 for Hiro. They are followed by DropBear and myself with 2 each. I am leaning towards Hiro at the moment. I can see how his voting pattern might actually make sense for a mafia player. He has taken a stance against pretty much everyone accused, so in a way he has pleased everyone without focusing on a specific target. Also, this: How can a 100% confirmed townie's death be better than a no-lynch? It's not like Hiro's death is going to give us some concrete information. So, ##Vote: hiro protagonist I will check the thread before I go to bed in ~45 minutes and I'll switch to Mig if we are facing the prospect of a no-lynch. cus its all WIFOM after a no lynch. We need info, and someones death is gonna give it to us, whether its me or Mig. how can you not see that? | ||
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##Unvote Mig ##Vote chaos13 | ||
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both of you have done nothing to produce a good town atmosphere. your both not looking so hot right now... | ||
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So your calling me, mig, and Palmar all scum? Im afraid its your team that is pushing for a mislynch. Your logic is terrible. but thats your intent, am I right?. You have done nothing all game that is protown, and it shows badly. | ||
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On August 24 2011 09:07 Kurumi wrote: Everyone is able to spit words and say how x done y , I want evidence . Also dont put words in my mouth scum . Why would supersoft and Palmar try so hard to avoid You get lynched , huh ? Sixth sense ? Chaos 13 case is just a lurker lynch . We could lynch lucidity same way . But we are not going to do that , we are lynching scum , not lurkers . As many games have shown , scum rarely lurk hardcore unless they are bad . umad? your bad logic continues to show itself. supersoft and palmar dont want my lynch cus they think Im town. Palmar thinks chaos is a better lynch and I agree. there both gonna switch back if we cant lynch chaos. also the bold part is exactly why lynch chaos is a good idea. | ||
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On August 24 2011 09:16 Foolishness wrote: So Palmar, when you and a few others switch back to Mig last minute and the rest of the chaos voters switch to xtfftc and we get a no lynch can we lynch you tomorrow? If this goes wrong then someone needs to take the blame for it, and it's going to be you. this is bad logic. vote for scum. your trying to discredit and blame. also, you where all for switching to razorflash on day one? and you even said it was worth a shot. now its not? what gives? | ||
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if I live, Im telling the truth. If I die, then I am scum, or Mafia will have to waste one of there KP to kill me. You in? | ||
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never mind, kill me, there is nothing more I can do for town. I. am. so. bad. at. this. game. | ||
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Palmar is 80% town. not sure though. Foolishness is scum. kurumi and VE Im not sure about but both have made it next to imposable to creat good town atmospher. DropBear happily disapeard when the shit around me came up. chaos13 has also been disrupting town. Jackal needs to step up a bit. but Im leaning town tons of lurkers. I dont no what to think about Brownbear or choaser. | ||
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I. Am. So. Bad. At. This. Game. Sorry to Palmar and anyone else thats up at 3 in the morning right now. T_T GG mafia Mig, Palmar, super vote for me, I gonna as well. It should be obvious why I should die. ##Vote: hiro protagonist | ||
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On August 24 2011 10:28 Mig wrote: Hiro how would claiming vet waste mafia kp? Wouldn't you be wasting town kp because you wanted a town vig to shoot you. Mafia would never shoot you if you claimed vet. Eh either way I guess you might be telling the truth dunno. There where two reasons for doing it. One was to see if kurumi really has a gun. The other was because mafia would not want a confirmed town, so they would hit me this night to kill me if my claim is true, thus wasting a Mafia KP. But I forgot there could be a scum doc in this game :/ which means a vet claim could not be confirmed, ruining any reason to fake claim as vet. Im an idiot. | ||
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On August 24 2011 10:52 supersoft wrote: the only reason why i would vote him, is to avoid endless discussions about him and myself tomorrow. That's the only reason. this is exactly why you should vote for me. plz do it. | ||
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no lynch favors scum way more than town | ||
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On June 23 2011 11:17 Ace wrote: what a dumb town lol | ||
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I want to apologize for my bad play/ as well as getting to emotional. Things got real hard for me IRL, and it made me very edgy my last couple of games.I think I will be taking a break from Mafia for awhile, at least until I sort myself out. I will be much more fun to play with once I do looking forward to playing with you guys soon! | ||
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