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i also have a question about account sharing. you're referring to hydras, correct? have you decided if you're going to be allowing them? | ||
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lyncher is also usually paired with village idiots. one thing gmarshal didn't mention is that the lyncher's target is supposed to be town. let's move onto town roles. 3rd party are overrated, unless they are cthulhu worshippers how about the innocent child? | ||
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it's hard to be in a bad mood, when you're eating fish! | ||
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Foolishness really posted what I was going to get on here to post. That being said, yeah, I'm running for mayor. I want to scumhunt this game, and I am already beaded in on someone. | ||
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from what I've seen of Foolishness, when he's mafia, he likes to sit back until day 2 I don't believe this is his scum game, but I'm only leaning on him I have a legitimate towntell from someone else | ||
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I don't see how it is a moot point whatsoever I am not going to create a huge wall post, and sound like a high school football coach cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. | ||
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On January 13 2012 17:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote: its a good way of saying "look at me" however to label bm with an alignment of townie already when bm hadnt posted is sketchy as hell. and yes I have time for this game barring any of the "oh jesus someone died/got super sick/huge rl issue". As for hanging foolishness, he would have to continue being super wtf as his first few posts have screamed. I will also if it is something people want update the thread with my work schedule so people have a general idea of when I will and won't be around the thread tommorrow/saturday when it is posted. I don't think he's doing that whatsoever if it's not a reaction test, I'll eat my shoe | ||
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On January 13 2012 17:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: eh? not that I want to start the first huge argument of the thread but. Do you agree that it is possible for someone to change their style? I am willing to give cheese about 20ish-30ish more minutes to respond to you before I make up my mind on him as well, I know my giant post was written as you posted 3 times. If he posts within the next bit of time badly or doesn't I will have him on a shit list. It's not only possible, but it is natural I haven't played with him in awhile, so I don't want to get into a meta discussion on foolishness On January 13 2012 17:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Always possible, but pushing you for mayor is a fairly strong reaction test and links the two of you near at the hip from game start which is insanely uncharacteristic of him. I disagree. He has attached himself to me before I even posted, but if it's not a rxn test, it makes no sense. @VisceraEyes, when you can admit: "I'm not going to lie, here. I'm probably not as good at scumhunting as some of the vets may be.", what is your point in running? I am against people running if they are not a good scumhunter. | ||
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I was definitely going to be typing a wall based upon my intent to scumhunt would you rather trust it with Meapak? I mean, he attacks my ability to scumhunt, and he hasn't ever played with me, or seen me play in a non-PM game. Speaking of Meapak, I am really getting a village idiot vibe from him. His criticism of Nissani has me wondering if he is a VI or if he is scum trying to push an easy lynch. Nissani's complaining about the mayoral candidates is actually my strongest towntell from the thread so far. I'm also like Adam. Recently, I've been vibing Cyber_Cheese as town. I like his attacking Mr.Wiggles for setup speculation. | ||
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Adam, they get a list of who the BGs end up being, that would be giving a 1 for 1 trade, or 1 for 2 at best we can take that all day long | ||
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i forgot this was a no PM game we should make the BGs public knowledge, and let the medic WIFOM | ||
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On January 13 2012 19:50 Chaosquo wrote: I dont understand how a random one line criticism of all candidates followed by a one liner explanation is a good town tell. I still think it's a big risk to use mafia as bodyguards. If the elected are protted and still get shot at and survives, we know the bodyguards are mafia. So this rule just forces the medics to prot the elected roles. is it possible to add the filter of the players to the player list, akin to link? it's not a good towntell if he knows how to fake that it is reading for me as "too scummy to be scum" does anyone have meta on nissani? | ||
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On January 14 2012 03:26 rgTheSchworz wrote: I was trying to quote Palmar's hasty reaction and the fact that he supports someone who typed a one liner that Cyrandor would be scum on the basis that Wiggles' campaign might be the best. I will format better in the future. So far BC and BM have the most solid cases for mayor. BC-He has been active as he promised so far, is beggining to scumhunt, and ,,I am accountable for my actions'' has convinced me more than the generic things VE, risk, sandroba have been posting. BM-Now I don't know who this guy is, but one thing i'll give him: He had initiative at the start of day 1, built up a believable case against CC trying to force a mislynch, has some support from the town. Still, I will be waiting about 8 more h to decide on my vote.Hoping to see more from those 2 On January 14 2012 03:43 Mattchew wrote: You said you wanted your first lynch to be a town decision? Where is this logic now? Not that this is scummy just shitty mayor play If you believe I see CC as scum, then you haven't read what I've typed. I didn't like his opener, but after he made a case on Mr. Wiggles, I wouldn't lynch him if I was elected. I am waiting to see what some of the lurkers are going to do, namely L, Sheth, and Pandemic. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:00 risk.nuke wrote: I agree the motive is no doubt to win the election, I don't think it's scummy though. It just seems too cooky and there are motives for town aswell as scum to win the election. I think town has more to win on his move then scum. He also seemed to already have taken a lead in the election and judging from his post efforts I feel confident that if he were scum he could had won the election without resorting to this. And if he could have won the election without it it just feels like a bad scummove to put himself in this much spotlight. Even if he is the scum mason he will have an impossibly hard time to achive any scum agendas with his pm abillity. I will watch him closely for signs that he doesn't play as he preach and I don't think I will be the only one. It's just to much trouble to actually benefit the scum so I will choose to assume his claim is legit. It makes much more sense seeing how much this could potentially strenghten the town. Compared to what a risky long-shot high effort/low reward move it would be from scum. You will have my vote. +1 I completely agree with this post, but he already has my vote | ||
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other mason DO NOT claim | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:26 supersoft wrote: hey, toadesstern, can you link me a game where you were town? I know your scummeta. It's talking a lot with no content. You do that right now. I don't see how he was doing that Do you not like explanations? What is your read on Cyber_Cheese? Nisani? Sandroba? On January 14 2012 04:26 sandroba wrote: Okay let me address somethings I liked in this thread: 1) Proactinum post is the best one so far. Fuck yes I like it. Cyriandor is my top candidate for lynch if I get elected. 2) Jackal's idea is very good. If I'm elected I'll lynch 1 or 0 bg. 3) I'm seriously considering supporting a mason mass claim day1. Mafia will have to claim it early if they ever want to use it and it gives us good basis for discussion. These big games fall rapidly out of control if we don't keep focus and this will give us something to go by. I don't like this post by Sandroba, he says he is going to lynch Ciryandor if he's elected, and even if he won't get that opportunity, I'm not seeing any reasoning out of him. Does he have any? nope. He then pushes for a mason mass claim, which is tremendously anti-town if I'm elected, right now, I would lynch Sandroba. if Sandroba is mafia, Ciryandor is town. On January 14 2012 04:33 Toadesstern wrote: here you go: my first ever gamehttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264798 my 2nd game my third game was that 80 player game. I did the same to some degree but stopped posting after d2 or something like that because it was too much of a mess for me at that point in time 4th game was my first ever mafia (the one with annul) 5th game was resistance this is the 6th game. So nothing more I can provide I like this self meta from Todesstern. A for effort. Pretty sure he's town. On January 14 2012 04:36 Mattchew wrote: WIFOM Otherwise, Do you think that all masons should claim like you have? Assuming atleast 1 mason would be mafia it could lead to a high percentage day 1 lynch I agree he could be lying here, but is it worth losing BC on a coinflip? It might be WIFOM to a certain degree, but tell me, would it be optimal play for 2 mafia to come forward with such a hairballed scheme on day 1? Mafia will sit back and play like supersoft or sandroba are, mattchew, not claiming on d1 like BC has. This looks like BC's town game to me, honestly, and I have meta. however, I would like BC to answer a question I was wondering myself, since someone else brought this up, and we need to get this mason shit out of the way @BC: when you say: "my role unlike anyone elses is confirmable.", how can we know you aren't a mafia mason, or fakeclaiming? your buddy could fakeclaim you masoned him, if you out it at all, when you really don't need to out who you masoned. How do you plan on getting confirmed? To me, mason just appears to be a neighbor this game, since it only lasts a cycle. The fact that there is a mafia mason just fucks everything in terms of confirming you. While statistically, you're 50% town at this point, aren't we all only like 20% to be mafia? Have you really created better odds for yourself by claiming mason? You really haven't, come to think of it. By not claiming, I am more likely town than you from the town's perspective, because at best you're 25% likely mafia (1/4), and at worse 50% (1/2) If you all listen to me, however, and elect me mayor, the lynch will be 100% Let's Lynch Sandroba guys On January 14 2012 04:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: how is that wifom? Why would I as red ever out myself and another mafia in the same day? Especially when if i had used my mason somewhere else i would be counterclaimed and die? It would mean i would have to hold onto my use and have a scumbuddy claim and thus waste my own power to corrupt a townie? It is pure logic, not wifom. As for masons claiming? Things like this are what my claim were supposed to generate. Forcing people to only post in the thread for instance is a huge deal as it removes a scum form of play, etc... I haven't seen you out who you masoned This is very logical, though, and answers a lot of the questions I had for you On January 14 2012 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: BC, are you for or against a mass-mason claim? I like the idea behind the discussion this is generating, but I'd like your opinion as much as you'd like everyone else's opinion. Personally, I'm torn on the mass-mason claim. It makes sense in that Mafia will be put to the decision to either kill them or let them mason away...but with their own masons, it seems to me like they'll probably avoid killing them as to not draw any attention to THEIR masons (by them surviving). I know you all aren't talking to me, but I want to respond here, so hold on. I am for a mass mason claim, but not on who they masoned, Lynching between masons is better, statistically, and more probable of lynching mafia. I want to lynch a mason who is NOT BC. The thing is, I don't think mafia will have their mason come out of the woodworks. if you get masoned by someone other than bc, they are probably mafia, and you should out them in the thread VisceraEyes gets +town points On January 14 2012 05:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Wow lots happened while I was asleep Alright let's talk BC's claim. BC's claim is actually pretty brilliant in my eye and here's why. Before claiming, BC was easily one of the top three candidates for mayor if not the top one. There's little doubt in my mind that BC would have gotten one of the elected positions. Now he could always claim once elected, however that's not a pressure position. He's got bodyguards and immunity from dt checks so there's no danger of dying if he's town, or being found out if he's scum. However by claiming mid day like this it instantly puts a HUGE amount of pressure on him. All eyes are on him at the moment and his every action is being scrutinized. This is an extremely tough position to be in as scum. And so it begs the question, if BC is scum, what is the motivation for claiming like this? He had a great chance at being elected so why mess that up as scum? With this claim BC is willingly taking the spotlight and the scrutiny. While he may be scum and have the biggest balls I've ever seen, I find it far more likely that he is doing his best to demonstrate his good intentions by willingly going on the hot seat. In conclusion, I can only think of town motives for claiming. currently MIA: L, now would be a good time to start posting. Things that are bad in a townie way: Palmar, I don't think you're scum but I'd appreciate if you put more effort into the game. Things that are bad in a scummy way: People calling Palmar scum. Palmar is making himself a really easy target with his blatantly bad posting, it doesn't take much to call someone who's posting like him out. It's people trying to score townie points by looking like they're standing up and acting town when in reality they're just going after something that costs them no skin off their back. Note this doesn't apply to people who have simply asked Palmar to play better (like me lol) I'm instead talking about the people who were like "zomfg lynch palmar." FoS: Meapak for buddying up to a mislynch Could also be scumcoaching his buddy L to post more if L flips mafia, I'm going to look into Meapak, and vice versa On January 14 2012 05:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Agh should have proof read that, I have another point for why BC's claim is protown. It forces discussion of the issue and it gives us something to talk about on day 1 instead of just discussing the usual things which often lead nowhere. As scum, the status quo of talking in circles day 1 is great, BC's claim interupts that though and suddenly puts people (especially scum) on the spot to talk about an issue that is not normally present day 1. How does this pressure scum at all? Mafia don't have to mason. Hell, BC might just be vanilla mafia pulling a fast one over all our eyes lol On January 14 2012 05:31 ~OpZ~ wrote: The Mason this game is more just about whispering it looks like. It really isn't that strong in the game. They can't create circles or nothing. They can disseminate roles privately I suppose but the threat is always there that the mason is mafia. As you yourself might be BC. I don't really see too much power in the role as of the moment. Especially if you play the game as such as to ignore pms. It really isn't that powerful. It is just a neighbor in this setup. It isn't even really a mason. On January 14 2012 05:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Yes and no. The townie doesn't have to worry about looking pro-town at any point in time, so conversations are very natural. The scum should have problems appearing townie to both the thread and the masoned person. LotR mafia, Radfield was this sort of scum mason, and he chose Sandroba. We didn't get to talk to Radfield all day, because he had to explain his every action to some level of detail in his conversation with Sandroba. And that's discluding the scenario where a townie masons a scum and forces him into speech. If we mass claim masons while making them useless, they essentially become VT's, so the mafia have higher chances of hitting other blues. Intense scrutiny is better all around. Play smart and masons are a very pro-town force. I don't know if there's anything to make of this, but I feel like it was correcting. No mafia have roles until they need them, so the GF will not be elected. CC why the hell would you say that? Even if I know BC's role is worthless, and I agree with you, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT NOW THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO wow On January 14 2012 05:33 Kurumi wrote: Have You been to the new Sherlock Holmes? It's good. Anyway, Meapak's reasoning sounds reasonable and I feel stupid for not getting such basic thing. BC, do You think You'd be dead if not elected into office today? FoS: Kurumi 1 useless post, promises content, comes back and minorly scumtells through going off topic He's scum with sandroba On January 14 2012 05:34 sandroba wrote: Alright peeps here are the advantages of mass claim masons: 1) It forces mafia to come under a lot of scrutiny if they want to use the mason power. The plan is to watch these people closely and get a lot of the info out in the open, instead of allowing masons to operate in the shadows. 2) If mafia doesn't want the spot light they will probably not claim nor use their mason powers, which is very good for town. For this same reason we must not go on a witch hunt on the claimed masons, because they can be of any alignment and may be all town as well. We shall lynch people because of suspicious behavior, not because of trying to find mafia withing the masons. 3) There is not much of a downside to it. If mafia wants to waste their roleblock/kill on mason by all means be my guest. It further protects our really important blue roles which is great. If they choose to ignore them we are back in the same place we we're before with extra info as town that mafia opted not to use. Which is great. speaking of sandroba being scum, lol guys, look at this, and how blatantly anti-town this plan is On January 14 2012 05:37 Kurumi wrote: It's not discussing the set-up only. Don't try to low the worth (word?) the BC claim fuss. OK This post has me wondering if BC is scum Kurumi is defending BC now I could see BC-Kurumi-Sandroba scumteam actually fuck On January 14 2012 05:45 Jayjay54 wrote: this is a really bad post imo. 1) no it's most certainly not town favoured. the mafia gets to prove read every single PM. while mafia can just target weak players in our team and thus spread confusing. 2) how on earth wouldn't it tell us something about the remaining masons? you say that townies claimed wrong? because in this scenario 4 masons are claimed, 2 are most certainly mafia, aren't they? how is that a bad post? I agree with kita, masons shouldn't massclaim your point 2 is completely wrong, but it is the course of venue we should take if it is a masonic massclaim, because 25% > 20% on a lynch in terms of likelihood to be mafia, but it won't be 50% like you or BC are saying, unless it's 1 town mason and 1 mafia mason. On January 14 2012 05:47 Kurumi wrote: Cool. I suppose You're going to try to confirm people through PMs, since fishing for blue roles is not something needed for a Town mason, right? Yeah, that's what everyone should just say open in the thread if it happens. Anyway. If You get elected we get very strong both town and scum player in the office, also You're really good in PM manipulation. The risks as for me, are still 50/50. If You're scum, we're fucked, if You're not, they're fucked. NM BC isn't scum with this guy Kurumi is still scum carry on On January 14 2012 05:48 sandroba wrote: MASONS. FUCKING MASS CLAIM. RIGHT NOW. THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE. How is there no downside? Mafia WON'T CLAIM. Mason role is useless like CC already said. On January 14 2012 05:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am fine with either it, or having town just say "we ignore all pms that arent host pms" Making every mason accountable / making them useless to prevent manipulation seems the best play at the moment. making them all claim however is the optimal play, it may out the group of us, but it also prevents mafia from using their ability without being in the spotlight. wow are you really scum? your posts, and people talking to you, keep making my flip flop @BC: why are you dealing in absolutes? On January 14 2012 05:58 kitaman27 wrote: 1) I guess we have to disagree then. Even if mafia target weak players, those weak players still have logs of the agenda the mason is pushing on them. It is incredibly useful to have someone to bounce ideas off of in private, even if you don't know their alignment. In addition, it generates additional information that isn't available in the thread. 2) We don't know the role distribution. It is just as likely that there are 4 town masons and 0 scum masons as it is that there are 2 town masons and 2 scum masons. For people saying there isn't a downside to a mass mason claim, of course there is. Mafia now has the identities of additional blue roles. Why am I the only one making any sense at the moment? Kitaman is right. I don't want to outguess the mod, but IT IS a flamewheel game. He could put that in there and put 10 masons since they're not really recruiters and they're just for information. He had nosy neighbors roaming around everywhere the last time I remember playing in a game he hosted, and given a mason claim D1, there could be masons all over, That's another reason we shouldn't massclaim on masons. what if there are like 10? On January 14 2012 05:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Masons hold your shit. Massclaims day 1 are ALWAYS a bad idea. It puts strain on medics, it hands the mafia blue roles without even trying, and it creates a ridiculous mess that would take days to sort out who was actually a mason and who wasn't. I dont know who thought up this massclaim idea but it's stupid and should stop now. Yeah. Thank you, Meapak, that was well said. I'm glad someone has the same viewpoint as me. I'm sorry I offended you, earlier. Cookie? On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus. So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries* FoS: ~OpZ~ minor scumslip here. OpZ is being wishy-washy, and that's a scummy reaction On January 14 2012 06:03 sandroba wrote: @meapak Generally I would agree, but have you thought about it? Read my post where I explain it. Now give me REASONS why it's a bad idea. 1) the entire town could be masons 2) there might not be any masons at all 3) scum don't have to actually claim, if they are mason at all 4) outting more than 1 PR on d1 is poor play, especially in a no-PM setup On January 14 2012 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: to be fair i have no mod confirmation that i was mason'd -_- What? BC just scumslipped BC + OpZ are mafia | ||
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On January 14 2012 07:23 Liquid`Sheth wrote: You find a small point of my post, and call it scummy. You haven't complained about anyone else's votes and yet you consider that scummy. I wasn't even the first person to put my vote on him, but once its possibly gaining steam you point out that what I'm doing is scummy. You've also claimed to be our second Mason for those who missed it, as I didn't realize it until I read your filter. oh fuck i missed it nevermind thanks, sheth sorry, opz | ||
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On January 14 2012 08:08 Scamp wrote: So far most of the candidates haven't put a lot of effort into this game. It should be noted, once again, that the GF is selected after the mayoral elections. Thus mafia can send whoever they want at the elected spots, and if any veteran or suspicious day 1 players get elected then they can put the GF on someone else. i was going to defend myself, here, but you said "most" candidates carry on | ||
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it prevents mafia from subbing in and saccing On January 14 2012 09:14 kingjames01 wrote: Also, consider for the moment, that BC may be mafia Jack. If he uses his Mason power on Day 1 to establish his credibility and then is subsequently elected to office, we will not be able to find the mafia Jack. It is a risk, but I know that BC will take that risk. He is very much a medium-risk, high-reward player. EVERYONE! WHAT HAPPENS IF BLOODYC0BBLER IS MAFIA JACK? I consider this scenario involving BC to be within his bag of tricks, and I will not vote to elect him into office. I didn't like his interactions with opz, until I realized that one of them masoned the other, I think if he's scum, and he's doing that, it would free up another member to be elected GF it really is a good play kingjames get +town points, even if he's speculating on the setup, because his speculation is just that good, and actually pressures/scumhunts On January 14 2012 09:15 Nisani201 wrote: BC's mason claim is disappointing. This was said earlier, but it's important to note that if we end up electing him, we wont be able to check him with a DT. With my mayor, I don't give a shit if I know what role he is. I want to know his alignment. That's why I no longer support his campaign. I however am really starting to like Sandroba. He is making a lot of sense, and the fact that he is aggressively pushing for mass mason claim (which I support) makes him seem town to me. Don't let him pull the wool over your eyes, Nisani. Sandroba is scum. He is pushing a scummy agenda. Outting the masons is something mafia want. You towntold earlier, and I don't really trust you with your vote, considering you're voting for my top scum candidate. You need to start scumhunting! On January 14 2012 09:16 Foolishness wrote: As I speak on the behalf of the candidacy of the one and only BILL MURRAY I can tell you right now that he will be lynching Chaosquo. I haven't looked into Chaosquo, but I will do that right now. If I was elected right now, I would be lynching Sandroba. | ||
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On January 14 2012 19:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Actually, rereading the thread, I realize that I'm a bit unclear as to what exactly encompasses BC's claim. I'm gonna agree with Bill here, BC it's time you come clean here and tell us what's going on. I feel you're town, however you're starting to give off that "I'm hiding something" vibe which doesn't make me comfortable. So, no excuses or beating around the bush. Tell me right now who you masoned. Once you've told us we will then ask them for varification. This honestly shouldn't be that difficult. Yeah, If BC was MASONED by opz, then everything is completely different On January 14 2012 19:06 ~OpZ~ wrote: Same post I claim mason. -_-...srsly...The first part was orginally going to be a different post. That first portion was my first PM to BC tbh. Jesus christ, you and wherebugsgo are focusing on that way too much. Did you not notice I claimed in the same post? YOUR PM to BC? so YOU masoned HIM? | ||
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On January 14 2012 19:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote: If one person could work out it was a retarded and useless plan, what makes you think a team of 10 couldn't? I couldn't just sit idly by and let the rest of town not figure that out for themselves. If the mafia masons acted vanilla, and picked off the other masons, the town masons they don't kill look bad by default. I can see a lot of scum motivation to try and make the masons claim/nerf any advantage the masons could provide. At the end of the day, BC appears to be pushing to nerf the pro-town force that is our masons, by scaring us with the prospect of scum masons. You end that with a FoS on BC, where exactly do you stand? :/ I didn't see that BC and OpZ were both out as masons I thought they scumslipped | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:51 Mattchew wrote: Would anyone like to discuss my mayoral candidacy? I think I make the best case to get a townie in office *facepalm* On January 14 2012 10:56 bumatlarge wrote: Mattchew's reasoning: "Hm, foolishness is a strong townie I hear, and I'm a mason, I wonder what I should do?" At this point, mattchew had not yet posted in the thread so he must have read this; Mattchew: "Wow, he really is a solid townie! Look at how he backs a questionable candidate who has not even posted yet. He might be scum, or he's a really good town player" Now, if you had alot of experience with foolishness, I could perhaps understand, but if this is your reasoning as a person who has not played with him, your reasons for him as town suck. ERGO you must be trolling. Mattchew already claimed townie hence my facepalm Foolishness is definitely town as well, because he is 100% trolling, and not reaction testing He has no motives to do what he's doing, right now, as scum He is probably my strongest townread beyond Nisani. That being said, I'd rather lose Nisani than Foolishness. | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:57 Toadesstern wrote: he threatened to dayvig a dayvig last time he rolled town. He even said that he tried to chill a game and tried to troll town until everyone was telling him to stop shooting townies (telepathically thanks to V7's help). Other alternatives? Sure what about those guys: 11. EchelonTee 20. Ciryandor 30. blahz0r 45. Macpo EchelonTee is actually "that one guy whose name i can't remember" that started with an E for me He has +town points on my word document On January 14 2012 11:03 Mattchew wrote: where did I say i believed foolishness was town? I just knew that he plays extremely well as town, + Show Spoiler + and I have no idea how to play this role. I took a risk and pm'd him. I will say that I have a town read on him but I am not going to claim that he is 100% town Oh, you're a mason, too? Jeez, my reading has been weak as shit this game. Sorry, guys, I promise to step it up. I thought you claimed townie, hence my facepalm at the start of the above post. | ||
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Elect Bill Murray 2012 Alright, before I go to sleep, I'd like to give my own reasoning for myself being mayor. My actions thus far have been to prove my being town, to scumhunt, and to try to pick up on associative tells. We need to get our shit together with all these mason claims. Are people open to me lynching a mason claim if I come into office? If so, I'll be lynching OpZ or Mattchew. BC put pressure on the mafia if he is an original mason. If BC was masoned by OpZ, though, everything changed in my opinion on that. If elected, I promise to sort out this mason business sooner rather than later, whereas the mafia will just put it off like CC said - they will be hunting for detectives, docs, and vigs I have been trying to refrain from spamming. Sorry for the 4-5 posts in a row, but I have a lot to catch up on, and I'm a vocal player. Am I not doing my best to scumhunt? I have been trying to clear people based on towntells, and trying to lynch people based on slips. I felt like I had a GREAT slip earlier from OpZ and BC, but then I realized, through Sheth's post, that OpZ had claimed mason. Like I said last paragraph, if elected, I'll handle that sooner rather than later. | ||
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I didn't want to clutter up the thread with one line replies like I was doing, though, that's not good to do. I am going to catch up from my most recent campaign post when I wake up. I want to address something CC said right now, though. Masons and mafia are not at a point where they know enough information to decide what to do yet. They are the only people who have PMs right now, I'm pretty sure. Can mafia communicate during the day, where there are no PMs this game? Even if they can't, they have a neighbourizer like town do, and whether or not it's BC, ~OpZ~, or Mattchew I don't know. That is probably the town ones, and we have a mafia neighbourizer hanging out like Sandroba. That is who I would lynch for his scummy pushing of mason outting. I really don't like having the masons out at all for the mafia to "deal with" like you said. They are the mouths that we need to use | ||
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On January 15 2012 00:59 L wrote: The capitalization of Your and You makes me feel like a king. Keep it up. BC is currently sitting in the lead with 5 votes. Both of Foolishness' puppets, if you will, Mattchew and Bill Murray are sitting at 3 apiece. Proactinium also has 3. Basically there are 4 people who are 'out front' with a total of 14 votes down between them. Thread tone indicates that at least one or more of them is mafia. We'd have a better shot of keeping our elected office clean by throwing the offices to random people (20% chance vs. 25%+ chance), and that's not a good thing. THIS for the love of God, THIS I need to catch up, but that's why I stopped voting BC, and am not voting for a mason for mayor it is statistically worse | ||
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I have a town read on him | ||
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I want to lynch Sandroba | ||
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I mean, since Palmar was a strong townread for me, I was going to criticize you, but it's not that big of a loss. Though I definitely wouldn't have picked Palmar, he was trolling, but that's the same reason I have a townread on Foolishness... if you're town you need to learn to develop reads on how people play as what role | ||
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You're welcome. I say that sarcastically, because if people had put me into office, I would have actually lynched a mafia. I don't like lynching Palmar AT ALL due to his behavior; He was an easy out for BC as a mislynch that wouldn't get him any flak. When you are in that position, you need to be less of a politician and go to war with the thread in terms of scumhunting. | ||
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If I was mafia I would substitute, so I'm assuming there will be 2, but if BC lives long enough then we will have to look into that | ||
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I'd also like to complain about Kurumi's filter not working | ||
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On January 15 2012 07:00 Kurumi wrote: Because Mafia elects roles on Night 1 (that's correct?) they have no special powers prior to Night 2? Is this true? So ~OpZ~ and BC are confirmed town, if they are really mason? Who masoned who? | ||
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ahh well, that's not what I thought, either whatever, we can work with it, even if we don't have a confirmable PR yet Our masons are truly expendable. Sheriff is a protective role. The person I lock up can't die at night. I can limit mafia KP that way, or I can tactically use it to lower their KP in another way, but where it would be hard to know whether or not they doublestacked, I'm not sure if I want to go that route, even if it was my original plan. I am going to go ahead and post who I'm going to arrest before the night ends | ||
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Town supersoft Cyber_Cheese Toadesstern Adam4167 Foolishness Nisani201 EchelonTee Jayjay54 L Liquid`Sheth kitaman27 BloodyC0bbler Kurumi p4NDemik Meapak_Ziphh wherebugsgo Dont want to lynch: VisceraEyes Jitsu Mr. Wiggles ~OpZ~ Ciryandor Jackal58 hiro protagonist GiygaS BrownBear Where have you been? Wouldn't mind lynching these lurkers: igabod zeks evantrees Chaosquo Cwave Slardar rgTheSchworz Scamp glurio rtgICEMAN Maxella blahz0r GGQ Lynch, Lynch, Lynch!: Protactinium (Mystlord/Incognito) sandroba risk.nuke Munk-E scumatlarge Lanaia Macpo Mafia | ||
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I am voting BC I have been masoned by 2 people, NONE OF THEM ARE OPZ OR BC | ||
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Say L was roleblocked and Lanaia was jailed WHAT IF BOTH ARE MAFIA? That would explain why we had 3 mafia KP last night, and not 4 i am CERTAIN 1 of OpZ or BC are mafia, now, and who else to elect mayor if not the mafia jack? | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:07 Bill Murray wrote: BC is mafia I am voting BC I have been masoned by 2 people, NONE OF THEM ARE OPZ OR BC | ||
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the sandroba lynch gives us a lot of information | ||
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On January 17 2012 07:17 kingjames01 wrote: Bill Murray: You incarcerated Lanaia during Night 1. Why did you choose her? Also, why do you think you saved her from death? She received no such notification. Do you believe that the mafia joined the election Day 1 and do you think that they succeeded to take at least one of the roles? Have you taken also precautions so that in the event of BC and/or your early demise, the Bodyguards will be revealed to the thread? I am not sure I saved her from death, it's possible I saved her from killing someone, if she's a mafia jack I am going to be taking precautions by getting a read on the 2 people who have masoned me, and giving the list to one of them. | ||
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this is fabulous lynching one of them is the same as lynching anyone | ||
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a guy masoned me but hasn't pmed me at all LOL why would mafia do that? | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote: BM can you clarify this? What do you mean by the bolded statement? I meant to say could be I've looked into it, and I was just worried about it I believe it could be 1/5, which is why I said that lynching one because of that is hopeless | ||
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I read your post, and it screams town to me, why was I ever thinking you were scumatlarge this game? | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:08 bumatlarge wrote: lol because you still might be scum I'm keeping my bill murray filter close at hand. not close enough, apparently, I said that it was 1/5, I had a brain fart On January 17 2012 12:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Not only hilariously bad, but given the nature of his previous posts, wouldn't you say it feels, Off? As in he had help? I could be reaching at straws here but it feels different than his previous posts. Almost done catching up on the thread. Anyone discussing currently to lynch protrac or sandroba, quit it. At the moment the two of them have done far more pro town behaviour this game than most of you. The case of roba is retarded beyond belief and in my head is being tunneled by people massively attempting to bury all content posted on both macpo and ggq. This could also refer to king james as he was called out early into the day. will finish catching up in a few and make more comprehensive posts. The problem here is *I* called Sandroba out d1 He was pretty slippy d1 Now, we can lynch Macpo tomorrow with the double lynch, but your Sheriff wants Sandroba today, ok, guys? | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:12 VisceraEyes wrote: BM quit ignoring me how many masons do the Mafia have? This is important to my future analysis. I thought I answered you If Sandroba flips scum, what does that say about BC? | ||
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BC Sandroba was "masoned" by him | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:47 kingjames01 wrote: What do you mean by this? Are you saying there are 2 mafia Masons? I don't understand. On January 17 2012 11:50 Bill Murray wrote: jeez, i just realized having 1/5 people as masons makes it the same statistically this is fabulous lynching one of them is the same as lynching anyone On January 17 2012 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote: BM can you clarify this? What do you mean by the bolded statement? QUOTE]On January 17 2012 11:57 Bill Murray wrote: On January 17 2012 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote: BM can you clarify this? What do you mean by the bolded statement? I meant to say could be I've looked into it, and I was just worried about it I believe it could be 1/5, which is why I said that lynching one because of that is hopeless[/QUOTE] | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:17 VisceraEyes wrote: This post seems to indicate that you think it's two...which is it, 1 or 2? You are not reading 20 minutes before in the thread | ||
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i don't know 100% if BC is a mason, but I believe it was a gambit I'm dancing around because BC might not technically be a mason; he can be any mafia role | ||
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I need to know if I can trust BC, or you. Which is it? | ||
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the other guy townslipped in PMs with me | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:32 VisceraEyes wrote: THANK YOU!!!! FUCK!! WAS THAT SO HARD?! @Town I believed BM has scumslipped that there are 2 mafia masons and has been scrambling to cover up that fact. Go back and reread his last few posts and tell me if I'm just seeing things. I really couldn't have; you're clutching straws | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:47 blahz0r wrote: Okay so I want to make sure I read this correctly. You do think Bill Murray is Mafia? You could talk to me about it, and not VE QUOTE]On January 17 2012 12:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Unless I'm mistaken...I could be reading his shit out of context, and if I am then probably not - he comes across as pretty town. But if he's slipped up and told us how many masons the mafia have, then yeah, obviously he's mafia because town doesn't know how many mason the mafia have.[/QUOTE] I really don't like this from you, VE. I didn't understand what you meant at first, and when I realized you meant "how many people can they mason" I looked at the op at the mafia mason wording, and it doesn't say anything On January 17 2012 12:51 Jitsu wrote: @BC, are you back yet, bro? Did you mason up yet? I don't think he can. On January 17 2012 13:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: For all those atm trying to lynch sandro off "he made bc lynch palmar" is incorrect. The only lynch choice he liked of the ones I proposed was palmar and that was off the posting of palmar in thread at the time of the messages. Seriously, go check back and read palmars posts and you will see why. Sandro already reasonably explained this. Also, BM for trying to put suspicion on me for not masoning you? I clearly said in thread that I was not going to mason you. In fact you attempting to justify that myself or opz must be red for not masoning you is hilarious. Why? One player has already claimed in thread he would not be masoning you, the other has yet to post. This is not an admission of guilt, however, I find it interesting that you then swap over to within a few posts with no posted reasons of Now? If you were so sure of me 1 post before this post, why the hell would you not keep pushing me? Opting to lynch sandro for information on MY ALIGNMENT is not an actual case for my lynch. You just called me scum yet don't want to lynch me? But instead want to lynch someone for information on me? This is blatantly scummy. A town player would push his reads, not opt to lynch someone else for information. Jumping to sandro seems a cop out. Why? Because you are hopping on a bandwagon pushed by someone else. To give a reason why you would suddenly change we get For no reason for swapping from me to sandro today as you were so sure of my guilt before (off of wtf information no less) I am asking everyone NOT VOTE SANDRO. The sheriff is hopping over to a bandwagon without giving a solid post why aside from it gives information on BC. If he was so sure of my guilt as he was a mere post before that he would be gunning me, not a person already being voted for. IF he was so sure of sandro, he would have posted his agreement on the case without ever out and out accusing me of being red, period. Jackal Hi Jackal, you may remember me from such games as this one. Lets take a look at your posting history shall we. You may ask, but why are we doing that? Simple, I believe its important to bring it for all to see. this is a discussion bum and jackal were having in thread and makes up 3 of jackals posts. None are game related and all have to do with a previous game. It is not game relevant at all and serves no point to bring up in this game. Rather than commenting on the quality of this post, its content, he opts to ask who was posting. This is not the jackal that I have seen play before as town. Jackal is a player who will push his reads, by overlooking an entire post of content that people will either agree or disagree with he opts to not discuss that and ask an irrelevant question. This post is important as he is asked who he wants for mayor and he says who. He follows it up with He never states why he made this vote, ever. It is unhelpful as the only person he had made any point to wanting in office was bum but voted with no reason for bm. Posts a question that is not game relevant, hosts clear this potential issue before game start or early into first day. This although an important point is a very weird thing to solely concentrate on. Why? Because a mere two pages before you had an analysis of king james by me, and a huge analysis post on multiple players by protrac, one of the players on that list was jackal and yet this is never responded to. Protrac reposts the analysis later in the game as it went basically ignored and once again jackal did not respond in a meaingful way. A townie jackal would not be ignoring key issues and posting on this point while ignoring the debate on who to lynch completely. After the repost, jackal responds with He doesn't give his opinion on the post as a whole aside from to clarify his excuse for not doing sweet fuck all. He uses the reason there are a boatload of people he doesn't know. Guess what, there are also a large amount of people in this game HE DOES KNOW. This is a moot point as while attempting to get a read on newer players he should be trying to get them on the players he does in fact know. Jackal as a town player shows his opinions. He usually does not make large grandois posts like myself but he does post in a very opinionated way as town. Why do I say this? Lets take a quick gander from responsibility mafia, a game he was just in where he was town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384&user=124528 is his filter from that game. Do I seriously need to continue posting these? You get the idea. His play from one game to another is insanely different. Jackal shows confidence as a town, he pushes people, generates discussion, calls people out. None of his posts have that feel this game. He has skirted talking about any major issue, sharing any read aside from palmar and overall has not attempted in anyway to actively scumhunt or keep town focus'd on one issue. He has instead posted non game relevant info, pushed no one and was fine letting town stay in a chaotic state. Quite frankly, he is clearly red. Lets lynch this mofo. IF by some reason you guys refuse to lynch jackal, the only other choice should be macpo. He has been analyzed multiple times, he is a scum read for near everyone who mentions his name and yet people want to off other people? He is one of the strongest red reads in the game, you lynch. I feel my case on jackal is as strong, but seriously? Why are votes anywhere else. That's not what I said AT ALL; Don't put words into my mouth What I said is I now know 2 masons that aren't you that I can confirm So that makes you/opz look bad because mattchew flipped already | ||
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that's why my vote went to you, then to the person i pushed d1 in sandroba I think macpo is scum, too, and if sandroba falls off in favor of someone like Nisani, Adam, or Foolishness that I have a strong town read on, yeah, I'll switch to macpo Someone masoning me, and including someone who has protown abilities, is definitely a positive action in creating a circle | ||
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rgshworz associative tell city i'm voting macpo | ||
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On January 17 2012 15:11 Adam4167 wrote: OK, I just arrived in Melbourne after a 12 hour drive for a funeral, so my appearances in the thread will be spotty... but I'm still committed to this damn game. BM... what the shit man? -You say Foolishness is one of your strongest town reads -He even makes it into the 'townie' zone of your big list of names -You even go as far as to say you wanted Foolishness in the mayor position -Everyone acknowledges that town Foolishness is a WMD, especially post day 2 Annnd then you choose to incarcerate Lanaia on night 1.. who you labelled as scum? Don't feed us that crap about trying to lower scum KP on the first night, i aint buying it Why the hell wouldn't you have incarcerated foolishness? Something here does not compute for me. And you still haven't answered the question I asked you earlier. I know Lanaia from IRC, if she's town she's a great scumhunter Jailing foolishness is a waste when he's definitely going to be protected by a doctor | ||
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when I saw 3 KP, and L claimed Roleblocked, I thought it might have been the combination of the two | ||
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we lynch Protactinium and BC tomorrow and we are guaranteed 1 scum, bringing their KP down | ||
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Are you trying to tell me you don't believe mafia had someone running for election? | ||
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I mean, I'm sorry guys, but I can't help it you didn't like me jailing Lanaia. I wanted to get a picture of her alignment early, which is part of the reason I put her on the bottom of that list, to get information out of her; I got information about a good player that I had a scum read on due to her coasting d1, but I have definitely seen a turnaround. I had her in my scum category d1, the same with you. However, I've seen good things from you today, so you really might be town. The point is, risk, after her reaction to that, I don't think she's scum anymore, the same way I don't think you are, and the same way I feel foolishness isn't in a sense. He's just better at towntelling than you, because he didn't need to wait until day two. This is a game of scumhunting, but we can actively look for WHO'S TOWN. Mafia know who the town are from deductive reasoning. Putting effort into the game also allows us to paint a picture of who is town after awhile. | ||
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I don't know who is mafia, but I have done a pretty good job and suspected 1 of the 2 people who have flipped I want to see Sandroba's alignment to determine BC's, but I'd be willing to let it go for now, since you all don't realize (like I do) that one of Protact and BC HAVE to be scum Since Macpo flipped it really looks bad on Protactinium and rgtheShworz | ||
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On January 18 2012 22:29 L wrote: Obviously. That would be you and protact. Go look at the vote lists. yeah you'd know all about protactinium being scum is scumatlarge your buddy, too? I was getting townvibes from him but he's been lurking | ||
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I don't mind being lynched I've failed you all as a Sheriff | ||
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we should be lynching rgtheschworz and protactinium rgtheschworz had an associative tell with protactinium and macpo he said it was bussing, and low and behold, he was right how would he know that as town? he wouldn't i'm definitely going to ##vote: rgtheschworz | ||
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I don't like a kingjames lynch, I liked his scumhunting on BC as a mafia jack | ||
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I wish you all the best if you lynch me, GG, and I hope you all lynch the right one between BC and Protactinium, unless mafia didn't run for election, and something weird is going on like Foolishness pushing on the best scumhunters at random intervals like I did in Hesmyrr's mini theme. | ||
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On January 19 2012 14:19 p4NDemik wrote: All I'm seeing is the overwhelming amount of apathy in those two posts before mine. "i really didn't care too much about yesterday's lynch" "i was okay with" "I don't mind being lynched" All I see are two guys trying to catch up on the game I haven't been the best leader, and this hasn't been a great first game back for me. Things aren't really going well for us with a mafia mayor. | ||
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The mafia are making moves on scumhunters. This is either BC, Foolishness, or Incognito's handywork. I am not going to sit by and watch this happen. I know 4 people who I believe to be town due to role related information. Take that as you will. I really don't need to be dying today. I don't think mafia subbed BGs, or I'd be dead, and they wouldn't be wasting their time lynching me. I'm a jailkeeper to them at the least, and dangerous, as I am a protown power role even if I don't have another role. However, I actually HAVE another role. I am a Mad Hatter, but I only have one bomb out. You all need to allow me at least tonight so that I can get maximum utility out of my role. Thanks. I'll be on tomorrow. | ||
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I KNOW I'm a mad hatter, he could be a townie sandroba needs rope really badly My one bomb is on Protactinium, so when I'm lynched, I guess he's coming with me My Night 1 was jailing Lanaia, and then I was going to fake that I "derped" on the next 2 nights Why else would I jailkeep N1? It was a bad idea in retrospect, but I thought I would either die N1 if BC was mafia, or I would have until BrownBear and Kitaman were alive. Cwave masoned me yesterday Jitsu masoned me yesterday one of BC or OpZ are probably mafia GG guys I'm dead in an hour if you all don't unvote and there goes the sheriff | ||
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On January 20 2012 11:27 Lanaia wrote: I like you. And I like that that's exactly what I thought. Did you expect less? It was bound to happen as it was initially going to be a PM game. Given BM's target claim, are you still wanting to lynch him, everyone? It's not like he's 100% confirmed scum. Why him? Why not on sandro? Did Cwave even talk to you? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=232648 If he did, that's actually going to really piss me off as he's said next to nothing in thread. Yes, he talked to me, and I passed him the BG list before I even did to Jitsu Jitsu was really pushy for it | ||
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On January 20 2012 11:20 Jackal58 wrote: Hey BM - Did you tell jitsu who the body guards were?????? Yes. He towntold to me in PMs eventually. | ||
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On January 20 2012 12:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Bill you fuck If you didn't go all GG on everyone, you'd realize that you have another 24 hours still well i outted what could help the town, and im going to catch up tonight | ||
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On January 17 2012 21:40 jaj22 wrote: @BM: You mean n1? Your announced d1 scum candidates were Kurumi and Sandroba. Kurumi magically becomes town in your n1 post, which is rather convenient given the night actions. If you read filters, yeah, but that's not how you play if you'd really gone through my stuff you'd see I changed my mind on him and CC d1 I gotta go out again, but I've found where I need to be reading from expect a dedicated post so I can get my reads out before I might be lynched | ||
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On January 20 2012 19:45 Cwave wrote: BM... are you on drugs cause your posts are all over the place man.... Yeah dude, you caught me, good job; i'm totally wasted I've caught up on the thread, but it's 7 in the morning, so I need to go to bed. My reads have somewhat changed - I don't suspect BC nearly as much anymore; I feel like Protactinium was the mafia candidate, but they didn't expect the late votes for me/BC. I didn't even expect to be in office. If you all put me in office, I don't see why you're lynching me now that I had two people mason me yesterday. I stopped reading actively when I got masoned, because if anything I thought it would confirm me, and I asked Jitsu to try to confirm my towniness, but I guess he has his own agenda. | ||
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I know people change, trust me on that, but how can we grow as a town unless you all let me help you? I have not one, but TWO abilities for the town, and you all are thinking of canning me? Why'd you elect me? I'll tell you why I don't want to lynch kingjames. The game I was looking into the other day where he was endgamed and Jackal was scum is very similar to this one, and he was a townie in that one. | ||
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On January 21 2012 07:10 p4NDemik wrote: His only actual ban has been a 2 day that plexa gave him because of a mafia incident but I don't have any context as to what it is. Mafia matters are mostly carried out through mafia and I don't know any of what Bill's transgressions are. This is so frustrating that his bad history is coming into play like this to try to discredit a perfectly good lynch. If he acts like this as town he shouldn't be allowed back into games this is idiotic. If he is town won't he just get another ban immediately? If he cared enough to come back into this game why does he have motive to be an idiot again? I'm not seeing this BM is a troll town case and this is feels like a cop out. It's not that I'm trolling, it's that every time I try to do something good it bites me in the ass. Look at PYP. | ||
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On January 13 2012 15:29 GGQ wrote: Your posts have been very bad so far. This post is also bad. scumcoaching On January 15 2012 12:02 GGQ wrote: havent caught up, I'm at page 57, but I skipped ahead. don't vote in Protractinium. Seriously, don't. Macpo is pretty clearly a newb town imo into defending his scumbuddy ##Vote: GGQ | ||
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I'm disliking VisceraEye's vote on me the most of all the votes on me right now. It feels like a cankerous sore. Here is why: He was the first person to cast doubt on me over how many masons the mafia have. I had no idea how many masons the mafia had to the point that I didn't even know what the fuck he was talking about. "BM just scumslipped saying there are 2 mafia masons u guize" bullshit. Now he limps onto my wagon with little reasoning? I thought he was already voting me. | ||
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On January 21 2012 07:43 Bill Murray wrote: My view on you is not null. Your case on Sandroba was what kept my fire fueled a few days ago. EBWOP: @ hiro.protaganist | ||
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On January 21 2012 07:47 VisceraEyes wrote: BM what are your thoughts on WBG? What about BC? WBG I am leaning town on. However, when I caught up on the thread, I saw something around him I didn't like. When he was talking to supersoft, revolving around the GGQ/L shit, I feel like 2 of them are probably mafia. It was a fishy situation. BC has been the most contributing person in the thread so far, and I don't want to lose that, if he's town. If Protactinium would have bussed Ciryandor d1, would we be where we're at? On January 21 2012 07:50 vaderseven wrote: Questions to masons: Did BM ever claim or talk about mad hatter to you guys? BM, you make it sound like you had to choose between abilities each night. Is that the case? Why would I claim hatter when I didn't have 2 bombs out? You can say "oh, you already did that", but when I'm a serious mislynch, I have to claim my role. There is no way I would have claimed my role to those masons. The only reason I claimed the BGs was in case me/BC both died, or just me? I'm not really sure how it would work - because mafia substituted them I assumed I had to choose. I had a red or blue read on Lanaia, hence why she was a scum read d1 and isn't now. On January 21 2012 07:50 Cyber_Cheese wrote: If you had a list then, is it maintained? E.g, is there a 'latest version' so we can see where you're at? No, only in my head, but I can rectify that On January 21 2012 07:56 blahz0r wrote: What chances? If he was a mad hatter, why would he waste putting a bomb on someone who has and still is actively finding mafia. His bombs would be better used on these other mafia targets that you have all believed to be mafia. To me he went from "oh I don't have much time and effort so whatevers" to "oh I'm gonna kill our scum hunter if you lynch me lols". WTF is this ? I'm voting Bill Murray, this looks like bullshit to me. Go ahead. You're wrong, though. Either BC or Protactinium is mafia, 100%, book it, one is fooling the other. Incognito is better at blending in than BC. Incognito is Protactinium, by the way. If you've noticed, reading my filter, I have grilled BC a few times. I didn't really get much out of it, but his actions up until now have seemed sooo protown. He has made huge walls, and has been a very good mayor. I want him to be town. I hope I'm not just being naive. I also hope I'm not being naive in that you guys aren't going to lynch me after I put forth all the effort reading 40 pages of text walls last night, but if you do, I guess I should improve my town game. It wouldn't be the first game I've been mislynched as town on Teamliquid. Speaking of that, a little WIFOM for you - I am always lynched as town, and not ever as mafia | ||
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im at 12 and he's at 11 i think, but if GGQ gets 3 or 4 more votes, or votes start coming off of me, I'd rather lynch GGQ than kingjames | ||
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would you all be adverse to me putting my 2nd bomb out first? I'd rather have a bomb on incog and a bomb on risk.nuke, before I think about moving my bomb off incog, to keep my utility The reason I claimed 1 bomb now is because I can move my 2nd bomb out tonight If you all want me to move my 1 bomb tonight, I can't maximize having both bombs out tonight. What if I'm roleblocked? This is all a bunch of shit. I don't see why I had to be pressured today, this really hurt our play TREMENDOUSLY. I was thinking about the Risk.Nuke situation when I was showering, and he really sucks. OMGUS all over the place, considering his tunneling started after I put him as #3 on my scumspects list. He's defending scummy Sandroba now? He can hang next. I would either put my 2nd bomb or move my bomb on GGQQ, but it seems like he's going to get lynched, and I don't want to lose it. | ||
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On January 21 2012 11:53 Munk-E wrote: So, this time, I'm going to vote for sandroba, and bill murray. Here's why BM starting after my last analysis of him, we have this post. not much analysis here, I just think it's pretty funny. yeah, and "not much analysis here" is analysis? It's a point that he keeps asserting that one of the candidates had to be scum, but he never mentions that it's actually him. He's just getting greedy trying to get them both lynched. it's 50/50 good to know, And I agree with you, you HAVE failed us. ok? how. Information instead of analysis is all i'm seeing from you so far, and you using ad hominem that is unfounded again, he seems convinced here that he's going to die, and doesn't mind it. The situation doesn't look good for mafia, and he's very resigned in his posting after last night when GF died, and only 2 mafia shots hit. i dont mind it because it's 50% that incognito and mystlord's slot is mafia This is just sad. He's so desperate, he doesn't know what to do. It took him this long to think of an idea that might not get him lynched, and just said it. No crumbing or anything. Pleading isn't going to make me believe, especially after his previous posts when he was so resigned. How am I "desperate"? Why do you think I ran after Foolishness pushed me? I wouldn't have as a townie, because I'd want to blend in until late game. Mad Hatters don't last all game. I'm sure we'll eliminate a couple mafia with my bombs. As stated before, protac seems like the most town to me, and even BM says he thinks BC is scum, so even if he is hatter (which he's not) He's not trying to kill scum, he's doing the most scummy thing imaginable: he's taking hostages so we don't lynch him. Well no he's not, there's no way he's actually a hatter, he just saw a chance at surviving and is taking it. I'm not 100% sure what to make of this... Aparently, GSL fan = townie? Somehow, I imagine that the mafia can be a fan of StarCraft 2 also... Or is he claiming he's town because he plans on eventually reading the thread? Does that help his individual growth? I'm probably looking into this too much, and he was just drunk or something, but it genuinely confuses me what he meant. I know this is a big topic, but changing styles from game to game is very easy, especially when you define posting style as how often you post. I'm guessing this has been discussed tons of times before, but especially in this case, where he's pointing out the difference. Also, I'm confused as to why he's voting kingjames if he keeps saying he's town. Then he has a bunch of posts about his plans as hatter. It really is convienent, It's a roly that makes him sound not worthless, yet is inconfirmable be everyone. Kudos to him for thinking of it, and shame on anyone for believing it. Doing sandroba next. I can't even find where he said anything all i'm seeing are one liners from munk with his IIoA he's got my FoS for this | ||
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On January 21 2012 07:56 blahz0r wrote: What chances? If he was a mad hatter, why would he waste putting a bomb on someone who has and still is actively finding mafia. His bombs would be better used on these other mafia targets that you have all believed to be mafia. To me he went from "oh I don't have much time and effort so whatevers" to "oh I'm gonna kill our scum hunter if you lynch me lols". WTF is this ? I'm voting Bill Murray, this looks like bullshit to me. bolded | ||
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I'm either putting another bomb out, or jailing to try to protect someone like a medic like if someone like Foolishness was just a townie, I could jailkeep them for 2 nights to guarantee they get to late game. That is more valuable. I am 50% protactinium is scum based on the election - it's either him or BC. I'm not moving that bomb, unless we're lynching BC. | ||
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sandroba flipping red makes you look terrible foolishness's list is a joke, I am seriously doubting both of your abilities to lead the town right now, so I'm going to have to take over the reigns, gentlemen. | ||
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On January 21 2012 22:10 rgTheSchworz wrote: I don't ,,assume'' there is a RB. I say there's a strong probability for it to be one. Please explain why hiro wouldn't lie in this situation. This is reading like a scumslip look at that ",,assume"" He also said Protactinium was "bussing" macpo he also is casting doubt on bc (what if scum have 8 votes tomorrow u guize) also asking me to jailkeep hiro who is protown as shit and helped me get sandroba lynched i'm not liking this guy | ||
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On January 21 2012 23:01 rgTheSchworz wrote: L was on Protact's agenda, right? Ciry too, Macpo too. I deem it unlikely that Protact would have pulled this off on 3 teammates. ok, and I've been right on 2 BC has just been sheeping incognito | ||
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My game used to revolve around meta, and pegging people based upon past experiences I am seeing Foolishness as a townie, BC as a PR, and Incognito as scum on the people I know how to read Passed that, I am pretty confused. | ||
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I am surprised Foolishness and my bodyguards are still alive, a sigh of relief Now we can focus on what is next - who has a bomb on them GGQ, sorry mate | ||
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I didn't jail last night - I have 2 jails left Apparently, it doesn't matter, because you'd rather let mister scum mayor live another day | ||
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Sandroba association from D1 masoning is too much to pass over anymore rGtheShworz associative tell ended up being shit btw since Protactinium flipped blue Protactinium couldn't have been bussing macpo in shworz eyes unless shworz thought he was scum | ||
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I didnt realize he died I guess I was wrong on him that is pretty much proof im town though if you think about it | ||
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I'm completely fine lynching there, he's on my scumlist I'm going to retract my mad hatter claim. I should have already done it, but I don't want to go out as a liar, even if I have lied this game, so I want to come clean. I only did it because to me, I was protecting a pro-town power role. I have 2 jailkeeps left that I can use to lower mafia KP Mafia wanted the 3 votes, they didn't want a crummy jailkeeper ability when they have a jack, mason, framer, and roleblocker Mafia wanted the Politician. They wanted the Floridian. Do you guys want a recount? I don't. | ||
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I knew that if I convinced Incognito I had a bomb on him he would want to keep me alive as town or mafia because he is a selfish player. I actually thought HE was mafia, and not BC, but I know who has to be now, unless L really was the mafia candidate. | ||
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I haven't used a jailkeep the last 2 nights because I have been truly protecting Foolishness say goodbye to your protection folks I wouldnt normally ever claim doctor, but I feel like Im really going to be lynched adios | ||
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I am just claiming random things to get you all to not hang me If I was mafia, I would have substituted both bodyguards, and killed BC Is BC dead? No. Because I can't kill anyone. I can only kill people with my mouth, and my vote. The first has only gotten me into trouble, but my vote has been pretty good. I was all over Sandroba, and if you all would listen to me about rGtheSChowz then you all would have another scum hanging from the gallos All I want is your sympathy, really, because this is not a good showing for my first game back. As it is, though, I am going to not do what I did yesterday to avoid lynch. I am not going to be begging you guys in the thread like I was. I am going to spend this day not worrying how many votes I have, and use my time remaining to scumhunt so that I can give an accurate list of who is scum before. I will be hitting you all with walls of text over what I feel has transpired thusfar, in my last 24 hours before you all mislynch me. Woe is me, a scumtell, indeed? I think not. I am sad that we couldn't reconcile our differences. Every case on me has involved some other person. Noone can have anything real on me, it's all just a fake twisting of my words. I have tried to step up, and lead, and it is really not my style this game. I don't know what to do. I'm not a "mechanics breaking" player, and I don't know if I can trust players like hiro.protaganist or Foolishness, and I know I couldn't trust trusted scumhunters BC and Inognito/Mystlore hydra because which of them did the mafia run? The truth is that I wanted to help, and I've not stepped it up in my first game back. I'm sorry. I should commit to this game more than I have, but alas, that's what I get for growing up. | ||
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On January 23 2012 21:47 Jayjay54 wrote: a) you can do both, protect and jail b) why didnt you claim medic in the first place? . This is your last day here sheriff. Pack your stuff and get out are you joking? I could have been saving, and trying to snipe mafia PRs? I am glad that I have saved 2 jailkeeps, then, I can keep 2 confirmed town alive in late game why the hell are you all lynching me?! | ||
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The Setup: Notice how Foolishness trolled by running me for office? The Strategy: I am trying to be "too mafia to be mafia" in office, sort of like the fat governor that, when he isn't voted back into office, decides to randomly pardon individuals. *Turns on "When the Saints Go Marching In"*[img]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLjbMBpGDA Now, pull up a seat, and listen to a story from Bill Murray. There was this guy, you see, names Foolishness. That's where this game starts. He was a good man, bold, and didn't want to wait for his role. He knew that role would be town, in all likelihood. What better to help the town, but to save a great lategame scumhunter? I am indeed that. A scumhunter. Anyways, back to Foolishness, he was confirmed town to me from day one, and not because of deductive reasoning. It was because he was too mafia to be mafia. Elect Bill Murray? Foolishness! At the time, everyone said, well, now, Foolishness... wait on Bill. Bill hasn't really said anything, yet, so let the man speak. Does he really want to run for office? Why, it turned out, that Yes. Yes, Bill wanted to run. He wanted to help the poor. He wanted to help the weak. He wanted to help those town like Nisani or Adam. But, nope. This Bloody Cobbler had to get in the way and get elected like a Floridian vote swayin' without a recount. I'm goin to try, and you all can say too late, but you all just wait to see who I'm gonna call as scum, and when I get flipped in the wrong and you all see that I'm green or doctor, I'm not going to officially claim, you all can decide for yourselves what to think about my town game my effort... my ingenuity I love you guys | ||
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When you are playing too scummy to be scum, you are usually town That is all I have done | ||
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On January 24 2012 00:53 Nisani201 wrote: Erm, what? BC is mayor. You couldn't kill him even if you wanted to. yeah, but i could if i sent in the kills like this: brownbear kitaman BC donzo | ||
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you know who they are, go read our mafia IRC together 1) Medic protection on BGs 2) ??? 3) Profit! | ||
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On January 24 2012 01:24 Cwave wrote: Well that's that then...... Sent in the kills? Wot??!?!!??! WIFOM | ||
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On January 24 2012 00:55 Jackal58 wrote: If both BGs are scum, scum can kill the mayor. or, you know, them considering i have the list of two of them and ive outted them in thread if i was mafia i could just PM my mates | ||
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Ok just a couple of things: I'm going to move my vote off of BC, we don't need to lynch him yet. He will slip up eventually, and if I'm lynched, he definitely will hang tomorrow We don't have too much to go on yet, because noone has come up with any plans/good cases. I'd like to see masons more involved in getting up with me so that we can set up a true circle and I can direct actions. I've tried to do this a little outting the BGs so that we can get our medics on protecting them. We should be lynching inactives. It's our game, in terms of what we have lost, and what they have, so chances of hitting mafia are slightly decreased. Also with this game slowing down it's going to be more of a witch hunt, like what's on me. I urge you all to pull off of me, and let me work my magic I'll be posting more in a little, I just got a text I need to respond to | ||
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of course i had town reads on you two already, but that moves WBG to my town list, actually I wasn't going to be seeking his lynch, anyways, since he unvoted me, but still, I was pretty iffy on him due to the chaotic nature of his play. /hypocrisy | ||
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On January 24 2012 03:47 Cwave wrote: Since Bill Murray went loco and "outed"the names he pm'd to me i will ask this to BloodyCobbler one last time. Bill Murray "outs" Brownbear as a BG. This is also one of the same names Bill Murray gave to me and Jitsu. + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2012 01:22 Bill Murray wrote: yeah, but i could if i sent in the kills like this: brownbear kitaman BC donzo Before, BloodyCobbler assures that Bill Murray gave false names which directs the heat away. + Show Spoiler + On January 22 2012 23:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: based on cwaves comment i can already tell you that bm did not release the correct bg names to them But here you list him as lynchtarget. + Show Spoiler + On January 22 2012 04:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: currently based on reading via filter. BM, WBG, and Meapak in that order of preference. After that insert Glurio, Evantrees, Munk-e, opz, kenpachi, brownbear. As there are 6 mafia left, some of those are obviously at this point not correct, but they all seem intelligent choices based on the play of each one of the. Does not compute. Is Bill Murray really a pathological liar and can i just straight out ignore him for now on and for all of eternity? Or did you infact list one of the bodyguards on your own lynch-list? yeah he obviously slipped there im sure brownbear will confirm it let me go double check | ||
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it's kenpachi and BB | ||
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are we allowed to speak in other languages? German? Really? | ||
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it really starts to tax on you I'm glad you all GG'ed out, so I can talk whew, man, I don't know what I did, but you all are good scumhunters. I was just trying to play derpy old Bill, and be the village idiot, but I guess eventually my lies caught up with me "_" Foolishness, Incognito, and BC all had stellar games. I also saw a lot of good posting from Toad, SS, jayjay jeez BC's posting... he was definitely no Fake Steve, though | ||
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nisani did a good job of blending in shworz and i were scumslipping all over the place kita why i get u confused with kenpachi?!?! | ||
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On January 24 2012 15:03 p4NDemik wrote: hahahaha no kidding. I put so much effort into all that night night 2 analysis and mafia sat back, lurked, and got so drunk they got mod-killed. Now if I ever get mafia in the future I have to live up to this ... fml you got me lynched a day late and a dollar short :o | ||
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It was very unrevealing of alignment, however, it definitely helped the town. I would say that a scum jack has way more upside than numerous neighborizers. | ||
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On January 24 2012 15:09 p4NDemik wrote: was no one suspicious of you before that? i need to reread that sequence of events. i guess even if i sucked in my conclusions i was at least good for the atmosphere? you kept pushing it, even if i was being obtuse and purposefully not reading because I was mafia and didn't have to (plus it was like 200 pages) I can't wait for a game where I actually have to read and scumhunt | ||
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*bill pms opz with bg names* *kenpachi and kitaman confused* FUUUUUU "FYI I pm'd bill. Kitaman and BrownBear are the BG's. " hahahaha i'm so bad at mafia | ||
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