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On June 30 2011 18:17 Palmar wrote: lol stop soft-claiming and just ask the hosts in pm. That wasn't a soft claim. I was wondering why VisceraEyes wasn't roleblocked immediately. Perhaps there are two GFs, though that seems like a stupid idea in this format | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 15:47 youngminii wrote: LOLWUT That was completely unexpected, I've never played a nightless game before. I'm going to assume that it was a scum hit? The mafia were clearly trying to blue snipe and LSB seemed as if he was creating a plan. This leads me to believe the scum misinterpreted this as a Vet (no not experienced player, I mean the actual role) trying to make a good plan/trap to catch scum. My guess? The mafia roleblocked him and killed him hoping he was a Vet or at least a blue. If the above is true, then this is a best case scenario for us as it means no other blue role will be roleblocked today. His understanding of the real time mechanics is bizarrely poor. He is a good player, so why is this the case? Further, you ”assumed” that was a scum hit? There was absolutely no chance at all that being a one-shot vigi hit and you know that. Seems like a scum overcompensating due to him knowing for a fact it was a scum hit. That roleblocking scenario makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 16:32 youngminii wrote: I can see what sandroba's saying, I don't fully agree but I don't fully disagree either. As for your point #4 I have actually acknowledged that as a complete fail by me, and you're actually wrong, roleblocks do in fact block the Vet's extra life, I took the time to ask RoL. If you're going to make snide (rude) remarks about the people you are accusing, at least check your facts before blatantly throwing around 'facts'. I'm not impressed by the way you're handling yourself this game but I'm fairly certain you're not a scum. If I was a DT and I was suspicious of GM, I would check him. I'm not going to tell you to do it though since we're operating a "do what you want" policy this game afaik. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 00:09 youngminii wrote: i like the way you think theawesomeall don't worry about palmar though, he's always like this i can only think of gmarshal as the best dt candidate for now okay i'm gonna head off now i'll be back when i wake up + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 16:52 youngminii wrote: It's completely situational though, say everyone on the lurker list is scummy. Then obviously the DT will check them. But what if they're not, what if there are more pressing issues at hand and you really need to check someone like you or me or GM? This is why the threat of being kicked into the lurker list is enough, while blues should do what they feel is best. Enough of this talk imo, I absolutely agree with TheAwesomeAll's post but there's soo many people who basically haven't posted yet either. I'm going to head out for a bit and I'll stop clogging up the thread until more people have posted. Ciao ^o^ Early on, he seemed to think GM was a good DT check target, but was really wishy washy about it for no reason. I find it hard to believe he didn't realize by this point he would very likely be GF or town. In addition, he agrees with TAA's post about GM being suspicious, but then sort of doesn't because not enough people have posted yet? I guess ”clogging up the thread” with actual analysis isn't something that would serve your goals. He never really ended up doing any analysis despite there being an abudance of material. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 16:40 youngminii wrote: Well okay I don't see anything wrong with lynching Drazerk now. I'll laugh my ass off if he flips non-red. + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2011 02:25 youngminii wrote: To the person that said "What if he checked GM". If you go back and read his posts he explicitly says "DT don't bother checking GM, if he's scum he's definitely GF so it would be a waste". To which I agree. Hence Drazerk is our best target. You can argue on whether or not he checked him but it doesn't really matter, he's the best target going on from the information we have. If you don't agree then there's either something seriously wrong with you or you're scum, plain and simple. In any case, he tunneled Drazerk pretty damn hard, I didn't agree with his opinions at all but here we are. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 13:28 youngminii wrote: I thought I told you guys to stop this shit with sinani. The Palmar lynch I can completely understand. He's terrible yada he likes bandwagons he just wants to kill people etc. I KNOW This is his town play. Sure, there's a possibility that he's mafia and he's hiding behind his regular town meta (unlikely) but this is just him, you can't do anything about that. In fact, I've heard his scum play is excellent (never seen it myself), if so why would he post like a poor town? Anyway, between hiro drazerk syllo I'm gonna go with syllo. I firmly believe that both hiro and syllo are scum at this very moment, drazerk's posts are too shallow to make a judgement out of. For syllo, some of you are arguing that his first post about helping direct blues should relieve him as that is clearly town favoured. Wrong, go read that post again, it's a very heavily veiled post that doesn't actually help anyone. Do you really think a medic won't know that the last 6 hours of a day is unhittable? What syllo does is point this out, then says but medics shouldn't save straight away because scum will hit in the 6 hours before the last 6, but then it's up to the medics because if we tell them what to do scum will abuse it etc. etc. Then in the next paragraph he completely nullifies everything he said by saying "But nah, you can ignore everything I said if you want". Just remember, lots of scum like to make a huge 'helpful' post at the start to appear as townie as they can. I've seen this first hand. Every post he has made until Palmar calling him out has been extremely neutral and unhelpful to the town cause. As soon as Palmar gets to him, syllo OMGUS votes Palmar? Yeah and there was the whole EXTREMELY WEAK hiro voting for syllo for 'pressure' and after like a one liner from syllo hiro backs off. Best candidate, by far. Easily. However, then he later retroactively, while bussing his teammates, agrees that DT checking GM was a bad idea after all! Also this is when bussing begins. His justification for voting Drazerk is very strange. Previously he didn't have an opinion on Drazerk because his posts are too ”shallow” (???). Also note that suddenly the real time mechanics are completely obvious, while initially he didn't even realize mafia could kill in real time. On June 30 2011 02:30 youngminii wrote: No, I don't agree with his case. I had no opinion of Drazerk and I still don't, not one big enough to justify a lynch. However, when a DT dies and his last action was to tunnel a guy who shouldn't have had a case on him in the first place, coupled with his theory of Drazerk and GM working together, it logically makes sense to go after Drazerk since he felt so strongly about it. Could he have just tunneled Drazerk without a check? Yes. But it's just as likely that he did check him, we don't know for sure. What I'm trying to say is, Drazerk is the most logical lynch based on the information we have. You seriously want to lynch VisceraEyes for his somewhat questionable actions? It's not THAT scummy to prioritise him over the guy that the DT was gunning for. Wow, you still don't have an opinion on Drazerk despite wanting to lynch him. By that point it had been repeatedly pointed out that the time line on TAA checking Drazerk doesn't make sense. Also saying it's just as likely that he was DT checked than not shows he either doesn't care about the game mechanics or pretends to be oblivious. + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2011 02:42 youngminii wrote: lol I said I wouldn't vote him if it was just based on the analysis against him. However, with the whole DT thing I believe his lynch would be completely justified. @syllo, I somewhat agree and I was considering whether or not my vote on him is justified (I still think it is) and then I came across this: I am sick of this "nah i'm dead anyway i'm off see ya" attitude. I've been seeing this far too often lately and I'll be more than happy to policy lynch this. People speak of creating pro-town conditions? This is just about as anti-town as you can get. This attitude where you roll over and die is absolutely unacceptable. We have to create a town meta where this will get punished, just like lurkers getting policy lynched and what not. tl;dr kill drazerk With the DT check in doubt and me and chaos13 voiced our suspicions regarding him wanting to lynch Drazerk despite not having an opinion on him and thinking TAA's case against him wasn't good his hilarious weak justification for voting for him was gone, he had to backpedal a bit and find a better excuse for bussing. He still didn't bother doing any real analysis, just found one post with him martyring that had already been pointed out. + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2011 03:01 youngminii wrote: fuck yeah you are the towniest motherfucker in this entire thread hi5 palmar i wish you'd just stick to one guy, other than that i've enjoyed your more recent posts let me ask you this if we lynch visceraeyes and he flips red, what information do we gain? am i suddenly scum because chaos13 linked us together? i hardly think so if we lynch drazerk and he flips red, dear god we have a ton of information, syllo is under fire, gm is under fire, lots of the people that are on the viscera train are under fire then again, based on recent games they're both probably non-red lawlawlawl remember: lynching based on analysis on day 1 is relatively difficult and pretty luck based, i'm a lot more comfortable following a possible dt check He wants to lynch Drazerk for information, which is generally a terrible reason to lynch someone, but not for him because he is bussing his teammate and knows if he flips red he can get a bunch of townies lynched based on them being on the wrong wagon. On June 30 2011 10:20 youngminii wrote: Also, huge /facepalm on town for forcing a DT roleclaim. Did you seriously think VisceraEyes was playing scummy? Think very carefully and reflect upon these words: He is not the one that played badly. YOU are. Scum slip? Why do you think it's town forcing a DT to roleclaim rather than scum team? This is also when he says VE was obviously a townie, despite not actually making any effort to get Drazerk lynched. On June 28 2011 15:05 youngminii wrote: It does make a lot of sense but I seriously just have to throw it out there: My scum play is even worse than my town play, if you can imagine. You say I've thrown around pointless flawed accusations but I haven't really, in XLII I tunneled 2 people with lengthy analyses but this game I've done no such thing, nothing of the sort although I am trying to maintain the same level of aggressiveness. I agree with you that arguing WIFOM is stupid though. Who gives a flying fuck who the mafia are gonna shoot on that list (well the medic does but discussing it isn't going to help), all you're going to do is waste valuable time and space and confuse everyone and everything. I agree, your scum play is incredibly bad, as shown above. That is also why your "lengthy analyses" are missing. Youngminii is SCUM | ||
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On July 01 2011 00:41 Palmar wrote: lol, that's convenient. I wonder what propped that shot, youngminii and I pointing in his direction? Go town, lol Can you link me to where youngminii pointed to his direction? | ||
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His response to my case, especially #7 was quite weak as well, considering he freely admitted to tunneling townies in XLII and a lot of veterans also thought VE was acting out of character. Soon after the case he posted that "he was pretty damn satisfied" with my recent posts, but then 10 minutes later decided keeping his vote on me was worth it after all based on chaos13 looking "god damn pro-town" | ||
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