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Since we are now inside the "No Shoot" window I'll share my thoughts. The people I see as scum right now: Cthsazsa Lanaia youngminii hiro protagonist Mig Palmar sinani206
All of them with the exception of Palmar and to some extent Sinani have been less than active and what little they have posted has either made me a bit uncomfy or just plain set off some bells. Until Sinani began to defend himself he was on the list of say little without saying anything club. Palmar you're just trying to fucking hard to be town.
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On June 30 2011 08:16 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 08:13 Jackal58 wrote: Since we are now inside the "No Shoot" window I'll share my thoughts. The people I see as scum right now: Cthsazsa Lanaia youngminii hiro protagonist Mig Palmar sinani206
All of them with the exception of Palmar and to some extent Sinani have been less than active and what little they have posted has either made me a bit uncomfy or just plain set off some bells. Until Sinani began to defend himself he was on the list of say little without saying anything club. Palmar you're just trying to fucking hard to be town. Between VisceraEyes and Drazerk, who do you find more scummy? I find Drazerk to be a derp. VisceraEyes I'm not sold on either way.
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Well that should teach me to forgo sleep. 10 pages of mostly useless shit.
The Lurker list: hyaach Mr Wiggles Opz Kenpachi GGQ aprudds Eiii
Of those that made it 2 are players that have been subbed. aprudds is now Mataza. Welcome to the cluster fuck Mataza. And GGQ. GGQ's apparent lack of activity has disappointed me, however no matter his alignment he never posts a shitload anyways. At least not in the 5 or 6 games I've played with him. I'm thinking if a vig wishes to shoot into that list you avoid those 2 atm.
That leaves: hyaach Mr Wiggles Opz Kenpachi Eiii
Who the fuck is hyaach? If he has indeed avoided a modkill I think he would make an excellent lurker vig shot. Of the others between Mr.Wiggles, Opz, and Eii I'll bet one of them is scum. I'm leaning towards Opz.
I also think the odds are extremely high that VisceraEyes and the rest of the scum team bussed Drovzk (sp). There is already some evidence that TAA had already checked him (I don't know if the time line bears this out. If it's already been checked please spare me the effort of connecting the dots) The odds of both DTs checking the same player on the same day just seem rather low to me. If that is the case and you guys buy that he is DT then scum have managed to manipulate a medic protect while allowing him to claim role block ad nauseum. This part is important. If you are role blocked claim it immediately. If Viscera is scum then the scum team has pretty much handcuffed their RB ability.
GMarshal appears to be combining his last mayoral campaign with his endgame play in PTP. Both times he was scum. By all means if you have a gun shoot him.
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On June 30 2011 23:26 syllogism wrote: Don't this big games usually have 2 DTs? Seems like an extremely risky bus Not really. If you do it there are 2 outcomes. Your guy gets lynched because the real DT claimed and you now have the real dt wrapped up. Or the real dt keeps his mouth shut until he can bring a case. Either way if you had 2 guys leading the lynch you still come out 1 day ahead.
I'm just pointing out a scenario that is not outside of the realm of possibility. If another DT claims before VE is resolved there is a chance he'll be lynched.
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I agree with you Palmar. I just didn't want that possible scenario to be ignored.
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Congrats Chaos. I typically post more and more in depth on day 2 than day 1. If I'm still alive on day 3 you won't be able to shut me up.
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On July 01 2011 00:41 Palmar wrote: lol, that's convenient.
I wonder what propped that shot, youngminii and I pointing in his direction?
Go town, lol Your only post FoSing DropBear:
On June 30 2011 23:12 Palmar wrote: @Vain
I still think DropBear might be one of our scum, he's playing almost exactly like I remember his scumplay from ptp, he completely rule out the Drazerk lynch but liked both VE and Sinani206 lynch.
He's pointing fingers in all directions, he's called GMarshal, Eiii, Mig, Sinani206 all scum, and even in the same post. This is a great way to look like you're contributing while not commiting to anything because he knows, just as well as we know, that you're never going to get anything done unless you commit to it.
@youngminii
I quickly ctrl+f-ed my way through the thread, and I'm inclined to agree with you on mig for now. let's leave him off the hook for now. This came after Sandroba called for a vigi on him. And also well after you spent all of day 1 mostly agreeing wiith DropBear on VE. I think you're scum bro. I think you have no problems with busing your team mates. I think I'm voting for you. Check that. I am voting for you.
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On July 01 2011 04:21 ~OpZ~ wrote: Do an analysis of me plz!!!
PRETTY PLZ!!!!
Don't ruin my fun ~OpZ~. It's much more fun to see how the others on that list react to my FoS than you asking me for an analysis.
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On July 01 2011 05:37 Varpulis wrote:I've got some issues with Lanaia's posting. It's quite apologetic, and he is constantly making excuses in case somebody has a problem with his posts. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 13:01 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:24 chaos13 wrote:On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote:On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote: Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. Does that really warrant an FoS? Are you willing to vote to back that up right now? Things like this should be kept in mind and used as evidence later on in the day phase when you actually have enough information and evidence to confidently label someone as scum. What it seems like here is that you're pushing a scum agenda trying to create an anti-town atmosphere of paranoia and weakly based suspicion. It feels weird to have FoS' this early in the game. Is it really that possible to get a read on anyone at this stage in the game? I mean, maybe that's how you roll, even with people whose metas and playstyles you don't know. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. It just seems strange that anyone can have a read they feel solid enough to place a FoS on at this stage in the game. On June 28 2011 13:07 Lanaia wrote: I'm actually legitimately confused when it comes to strategies involving the lurker list. Logically, I cannot fathom how one would be possible without outing everything we want to have kept hidden. Personally, I think it isn't a good idea and I will probably not take part in that, given it occurs. I am not good at planning and having a group planned with me. (Especially not with people I have never played with before)
I find what RoL just posted very interesting. I am curious to see how this will work. On June 29 2011 04:12 Lanaia wrote: All right, so sorry I've been away since last night. Today has been busier than expected. The LSB kill doesn't entirely make sense to me, but I suppose yes, he was kind of obviously town.
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On June 29 2011 05:02 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 05:01 Jackal58 wrote:On June 29 2011 04:12 Lanaia wrote:On June 29 2011 03:55 Kenpachi wrote: sorry im at my friend's house. I'll go read the thread once i get home.
BTW, im Kenpachi and Im a Townie. What the hell Kenpachi? Why... WHY did you say that? I feel this probably wasn't in your best interests, sorry bud. However, you're actually town, so... And posts like these make the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Scum slip? I just meant that from what I've seen of his play, I feel he is town. I tend to say things in the definite and not in the possible. I'm sorry. On June 29 2011 13:28 Lanaia wrote: Guys I really suck at posting in an aesthetically pleasing manner. I am very sorry for that. On June 30 2011 15:05 Lanaia wrote: I'm really sorry for my lack of activity in the past few hours. I promise you I will post in the morning. I've got the worst headache and my ears are all allergylike.
I'm not sure about forum games, but is scum likely to bus? He's explaining away things that nobody is asking him about (activity) and apologizing for mistakes with almost every other post. He's buddying up with pro-town players (wiggles, Palmar) and agreeing with them to try to appear more town himself. I'm not confident that he's scum, but i'm quite suspicious at this point. He is a she and I still think she made a scum slip regarding kenpachi on day 1.
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On July 01 2011 10:48 ~OpZ~ wrote: Well....Everyone should go reread Jackals posts....Lots of soft defending of Drazek and pushing for GMarshall...He didn't really pressure, but he didn't stick his neck out either. He usually posts later on in games, like myself, but for that same reason I appear scummy and he does not? -_-....Any point you point at me, Jackal stands the same exact way. I even mildly defended Drazek, and argued for VE, but I gave my reasons. VE's constant spamming talking about other games, did nothing but increase the thread size. Hell, I was pissed at half the town for that.
Oh, I also asked Jackal if he was around earlier....He never bothered answering me, even though I asked if he was around one page prior....And was posting at the exact same time of my post in Closed Casket Mafia....
Hi Jackal!!!!! Hi OpZ. I think I was talking to you when you asked if I was around? So anyways I was around. If it wasn't apparent to you I can't help you. I believe the closest I came to defending him was calling him a derp. I saw too many people I thought were scummy voting for him. And the closest I have come to pushing GM was stating that if a Vig felt inclined to shoot him I had no problem with it. If you're butt hurt that i called you the scummiest of the lurkers get over it. I already told you that was to see the reactions of the others on the list. So far there has been none. Leads me to believe you're all a bunch of clueless townies. Wanna lynch me for it go ahead. You'll get a vanilla townie for your efforts.
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On July 01 2011 11:36 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 11:25 VisceraEyes wrote: GM, don't give these guys ammunition. If you're town, at least give everyone your thoughts on the stuff you know about. It's not like you've missed anything...just people calling for you on a pike....Vladimir style. I'd love to, but shit hit the fan IRL and I simply can't focus on mafia right now. I want to become confirmed so I can replace with a clear conscience that the person who gets my spot isn't anally fucked, otherwise I would have already replaced, I just don't want to throw the poor replacement to the lions. One of Opz, Palmar and YM is probably scum though. I'm leaning towards palmar, but I haven't analyzed him or anything, so I really can't judge. Sorry guys when I signed up none of the shit that is going on was projected/expected/supposed to happen. Don't sweat Palmar GM. He's going to get us organized tomorrow. Then we'll be golden.
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And your point is??? Oh I get it. You've never played with me before.
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Well Viscera. I think it's safe to disclose Varps role.
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The odds of us having a 3rd DT are slim to none. Not impossible but highly improbable.
gtrsrs - Don't assume that scum would have posted in the thread at the same time somebody was hit. 1 - They would have no compelling reason to do so. 2 - It assumes a game host was online at the same time they sent in their hit. They could have sent that in hours ago. We have no way of knowing that.
I'm fairly certain at this point VE is scum and shall vote accordingly.
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On July 02 2011 06:11 Palmar wrote:I don't think VE requires more discussion at present. I agree with everything Mr. Wiggles just said, so let's leave his advice he final point of the discussion. Now I want to direct everyone to two very important posts in today's discussion. 1. Syllo's analysis of youngminii http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=47#9272. My accusation and sinani206's analysis on his twin http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10085514If people are still doubting youngminii is a great lynch candidate, then I'd like to point out that sandroba and chaos13 both suspected him. In addition Cthsazsa who is very likely pro-town has pointed a finger his way. Sandroba happens to be one of our better analysts, and chaos13 is a good solid player. So it's not just syllo who is pushing that lynch. Sinani201 is being accused by his twin, myself, sandroba pointed out the analysis was excellent at the time. There are other links. GM and Kenpachi (along with myself) both commented on how that analysis on 201 was only done when being pressured. But with chaos13's breadcrumbs, I don't think 206 (or supersoft, now) is scum. So let's hear it town, should we lynch YM or sinani201?
I have no problem with lynching sinani201. If you look at our known scum it appears they had no issues with voting for each other. YM I'm not sold on yet.
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On July 02 2011 08:17 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 08:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:On July 02 2011 08:11 Palmar wrote:On July 02 2011 08:08 ~OpZ~ wrote:On July 02 2011 08:02 Palmar wrote: Looks like I actually missed a person on my potential leader chart day 1.
I really like your style syllogism.
And yes, it's totally insane. let's hear his report tomorrow.
The cool part? He _doesn't_ tell us who he is investigating and he doesn't tell us the results until we're into the 6h before the lynch period, so he can't have his mafia buddies off the investigated person before we can call him out on the lie.
But not tonight
Tonight there shall be someone else hanging. I really would like you to stop posting....and possibly die. But I was more concerned in hitting 100% scum, not 70%....I think someone who can argue convincingly should take a look at you. Like YM, or Jackal. I can't. But you've wanted us to wait for VE for a while, and wanted me to hit GM all day. Fuck that. Go back to day 1 and check why VE was up for this whole thing anyway. (what's that, was it my aggressive push and analysis towards him that got him to fake that roleclaim in the first place?) But anyway, nice shot Opz. Good point...I was with you too tho...He was spamming. It was bugging me. What's it to you?! I just haven't seen you posting like you were at VE since then. Time draining my memory away. No one's been pressuring, and I've been away most of the day. Atleast now, I think I'll be left alone about this lurking shit -_-....*afk next 32 hours* Thanks for popping by and shooting him And yes, I've totally left VE alone because it's my firm belief that forcing people to spin a web of lies is a great way of catching scum, thus we were okay with gambling on him staying alive. You're either scum or a word that rhymes with it..
Anyways - Confirmed scums votes: Viscera Eyes' - Drazerk - Kenpachi Drazerk's - Sinani206 - Hiro Protagonist Kenpachi's - Drazerk - GMarshal DropBear' s - Sinani201 - Sinani206 - Drazerk
So far with the exception of Drazerk they all have voted for a confirmed scum.
If that is a strategy they agreed upon the remaining scum team lies within here: Hiro Protagonist Sinani206 sinani201 GMarshal Palmar
You have to go look at who they all voted for and do some extrapolation from there. But they all become a common theme.
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On July 02 2011 08:36 syllogism wrote: This game has taught me not to presume the scum team isn't awful. It's amazing that they managed to get two of their players on the main wagons on day 1 and then pulled a gambit which basically relied on there being only 1 DT in a 30 player game. Further, they apparently didn't even bother checking if the DT claim and the "guilty check" made any sense in the context of the thread. That's the reason I don't see GM or Wiggles as scum. Also the main reason I see our self proclaimed town father as scum.
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Doesn't a hatters bombs only go off if he's killed?
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