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I'll move my vote to hiro. When I feel its time. I thought something was off about TAA, and I thought having a vote on him might make him squirm. He hasn't quite twiched the way I expected, which is good, so I will move my vote off, eventually, as of right now Im curious as to the uproar its causing. . I made my vote based on his initial post, and I still feel like it was justified.
Why are you so upset about my vote though? Its only one vote, and you *know* how I like to move my vote around day 1. Why aren't you bothered by any of the *other* votes in the thread?
And lynching one of the most active players day 1 is as retarded as it gets, you lynch a mid tier activity player, one who is posting without calling attention to himself.
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On June 29 2011 03:13 sinani206 wrote: *sigh*
Why do I always get lynched D1?
Drazerk and Palmar both have crappy reasons for voting for me. DropBear is the only one that had a good reason but now he's tunneling. GM is obviously a better candidate. What makes me "obviously" better?
Kindly make a case. ^_^
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On June 29 2011 03:28 Vain wrote: Really wtf guys. Why are you still voting for TAA? You are both not putting pressure on him and just voting because he's bad town in your eyes. Bad town still doesn't make scum.
The reasons you give for currently voting on him are: 1: since I want to see you tick 2: Pointing out scum
Of all people you should know that random finger pointing is not really a scumtell *coughkurumicough* and that there are better targets than TAA. At least now we have some discussion going on and not just pro/against lurker killing.
Here we go, *this* is what that vote was looking for. Reactions, not from TAA alone (although his were revealing enough), but from people around him. Look for example at DB, he flipped out at my vote on TAA, when it was only a vote and was backed by a relatively weak accusation (I mean it was ok, but it wasn't anywhere near damning). Also look at the people (person) who chose to vote with me. What does endorsing such a weak case say about them?
That said, I think I got as much out of that one vote as I can expect to, so its time for me to move onto people who I *actually* think deserve to be voted on.
Hi hiro!
##Vote: Hiro Protagonist
Analysis of his scant contributions coming up
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He only has 7 posts, but I'll only include those that successfully brought something new to the table to discuss. They are all in the spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +
That was easy. Each and every one of his posts masquerades as having content, without really including anything worthwhile. It takes no stances and interestingly enough brings up mild opposition to LSB's plan. This isn't necessarily damning, but I want hiro to start taking definite stances. I want so see which lynch he would advocate today, and what he thinks about pretty much everything. This "posting just to get by" is bad for the town, and he isn't going to get away with it.
Yes this case is not extremely solid, but the PBP I originally wrote was all "no content" and "fluff" comments, which would have made my case longer than necessary for clarity, in essence hiro needs to give us more so we can actually assess his alignment, as reading over his posts reveals nothing.
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On June 29 2011 03:36 DropBear wrote:Whoa Drazerk, where did this come from?As far as I can tell, you never really attacked Marshal in the first place. The only thing I can find is this and it's not exactly a wild accusation. Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote: Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive )
What's the deal with the big claim of changing your mind? You never really attacked him. Plus you decide GMarshal is not scum based on hiro's posts? DOES NOT COMPUTE explain plz
I second this, explanation please, what does hiro have to do with me? ^_^
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On June 29 2011 03:49 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 03:46 GMarshal wrote:On June 29 2011 03:36 DropBear wrote:Whoa Drazerk, where did this come from?As far as I can tell, you never really attacked Marshal in the first place. The only thing I can find is this and it's not exactly a wild accusation. On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote: Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive )
What's the deal with the big claim of changing your mind? You never really attacked him. Plus you decide GMarshal is not scum based on hiro's posts? DOES NOT COMPUTE explain plz I second this, explanation please, what does hiro have to do with me? ^_^ Nothing I was just commenting on what TAA asked me to do - Form an opinion on Hiro in doing so I formed an opinion on you but not him as he has actually posted nothing. Oh, I misunderstood that point then.
Did you form an opinion on hiro though?
If so what is it?
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On June 29 2011 03:54 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 03:51 GMarshal wrote:On June 29 2011 03:49 Drazerk wrote:On June 29 2011 03:46 GMarshal wrote:On June 29 2011 03:36 DropBear wrote:Whoa Drazerk, where did this come from?As far as I can tell, you never really attacked Marshal in the first place. The only thing I can find is this and it's not exactly a wild accusation. On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote: Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive )
What's the deal with the big claim of changing your mind? You never really attacked him. Plus you decide GMarshal is not scum based on hiro's posts? DOES NOT COMPUTE explain plz I second this, explanation please, what does hiro have to do with me? ^_^ Nothing I was just commenting on what TAA asked me to do - Form an opinion on Hiro in doing so I formed an opinion on you but not him as he has actually posted nothing. Oh, I misunderstood that point then. Did you form an opinion on hiro though? If so what is it? Not really I admit he's playing pretty scummy but I am not sure if that is his play style or not as I've not seen other games with him. He's one to keep an eye out on though and we should try and pressure him out of hiding. You should vote for him then. Nothing gets someone's attention like a nice noose drawing taut around the neck.
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On June 29 2011 03:58 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 03:48 Palmar wrote:On June 29 2011 03:18 DropBear wrote:@MIG On June 29 2011 03:01 Mig wrote:On June 29 2011 02:37 DropBear wrote:
Dude saying that sinani's a lot more active isn't a town tell at all. Noone wants to be on that lurker list. It's not activity we are looking at, it's much more about content.
Why do you disagree with GM being Mafia? What do you mean by pro-town? Who are these better targets for day 1 you speak of? Sinani has been useless every game he has played why is he more useless/scummy this game? Look at his first game as mafia he attempted to fake contribute heavily to stay under the radar. I haven't really seen him do any of that.The better targets day 1 I think are guys like Jackal who aren't contributing and are playing out of character or someone like Eiii who promises to be pro town and contribute his thoughts then goes right back to lurking without actually providing any content. On June 29 2011 02:31 TheAwesomeAll wrote:So just because he is active as he was when he played town, he must be town now as well? In that case Jackal is townie, since he led a foolish day 1 lynch in the game i played with him as well. + Show Spoiler +Metagaming is all good but focus on my arguments please, he got SUPER defensive when i accused Hiro, auto voted for me, went from super aggressive to backing up in 2 posts flat, made his voice worthless by saying he was looking for my 'tic'. What do you think about that? No no active definitely does not just equal town, but I mean in general I would prefer to lynch someone less active day 1 because as long as GM is alive he is going to be active and so we are going to have a ton of information to use to determine whether he is town or mafia. Hm I do agree though that GM's case against you is incredibly weak. But I will wait to see how he follows up on it before instantly declaring him scum for it. I will say that If GM continues with just posting pro town advice and not any actual good analysis and scum hunting I would be willing to change my opinion about him. First on sinani, you say he has a history about fake contributing as a mafia to blend in. Where are his real contributions this game that distinguish him from this game you mentioned? Jackal has made a grand total of ONE post so far. How can you possibly make a behaviour call based on a single post? It's way too early to do that. You scare me Mr Mig! aprudds please reconsider your vote on TAA. He is being very overenthusiastic yes but there's very low chance he's mafia. He's prodding everyone he thinks is dodgy and is going out of his way to generate discussion. On the contrary DropBear, I don't find him overenthusiastic at all. I really like TAA's playstyle and I think he's doing more to help us than anyone else at the moment. So GM and TAA agree on Hiro Protagonist. What I can tell you about Hiro's meta is that he's usually quite reserved, both as scum and as town. His borderline spam post style in this game is a new thing for me, but it could both be an attempt at improving his town game, or it could be him trying to distance himself from the quiet playstyle he's displayed as mafia. All in all, I kind of like the vote on him. Sinani206 will you please make some kind of a contribution? Can you point us in the direction of a scummy player? ???????? Dude. Hiro's been reserved as both scum and town in the past, but he's distancing himself from his quiet playstyle of mafia? Isn't that distancing himself from his town play as well? How can you tell the difference? Marshal you are attacking him DESPITE THE FACT HIS VERY FIRST POST WAS TO CARBON COPY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID.Hiro hasn't shown me anything dodgy yet at all. Its not *that* he agreed, but how he went about agreeing with me. "I 100% agree" adds nothing new to the discussion, while he could have made new points or explained his reasoning. That is what bothers me, not the agreement. Its really easy to say "I agree", harder to actually contribute arguments. My beef with him isn't what he has said, its what he *hasn't* said, which is anything that is new or controversial. Honestly I'm not sure of his alignment, but I want to be which is why I'm voting for him, to encourage him to make a case on someone else, or a contribution, anything I can use to figure him out really.
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On June 29 2011 04:13 DropBear wrote:
TOWN READS
youngminii TheAwesomeAll syllogism
SCUM READS sinani206 GMarshal Mig
1.) I am NOT advocating lynching Hiro, just pressuring him. Please don't misrepresent me. 2.) DON'T POST GREEN READS. It only makes them mafia targets and helps us not at all 3.) Please limit your scum list to two people in the interest of concentrating your (and our) focus 4.) 'm not derailing your sinani206 lynch, the case against him ("I don't like leaders") seems to be extremely weak, and it does *not* merit a lynch. If you had a decent case, then you could argue about me derailing your wagon, but I fail to see what distinguishes sinani206 from his clone and a bunch of other posters.
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On June 29 2011 04:59 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:50 syllogism wrote: Even assuming GM is red, it's fairly unlikely he felt threatened enough to ask his scum team to intervene. There is over 30 hours until lynch and he had one or two votes on him. It's just silly to attempt to find such connections on day 1 and this early. you have a good point there, so youre saying Drazerk isnt scum? It would be silly for Mafia to start a new discussion if there is no pressure. That means Drazerk isnt scum but just look at his posting. Also if GM is town it would be pretty stupid to attack me that hard on my first post, then disagreeing with himself two posts later and now completely agreeing with my first post. Seems unlikely doesnt? See this is called "disregarding the facts". Your first post was scummy. Your subsequent posts changed my mind on you, which is why my attitude changed. However my vote still baited out reactions which is why I left it to "see you twitch", I was gaging thread reactions, my attack on you is a soft as my attacks get. If you want to see a strong attack see my attacks in other games, notably as orange in Experimental Mafia II. Those are attacks, my case/vote on you? That was bait. And I'm NOT agreeing that hiro is scum. I'm trying to see how he jumps. When/if he comes out with the scumhunting he promised, my vote moves to someone else who isn't being as helpful as I think they need to be.
@Wiggles, I have a bunch of green reads right now and almost no scum reads, I'll have some by about 12 hours before the lynch or so (I might not actually get here by then though, but by 8 hours before the lynch you should be hearing at least one red read from me) , I won't share green reads for obvious reasons. Also, parentheticals are cool.^_^
@Jackal, feel better soon ^_^
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EBOBP: gaugeing reactions, not gaging them. -__-
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On June 29 2011 05:11 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 05:06 Palmar wrote:On June 29 2011 04:50 syllogism wrote: Even assuming GM is red, it's fairly unlikely he felt threatened enough to ask his scum team to intervene. There is over 30 hours until lynch and he had one or two votes on him. It's just silly to attempt to find such connections on day 1 and this early. Stop that shit. All you've done all game long is posting neutral blanket statements. Sorry, that's not neutral, that's just an argument against making bad cases early on. You've done nothing at all either so. I'm not going to stop pointing out bad logic or poor cases and I'm frankly of the opinion unless there's a big slip on d1, the odds of actually lynching scum aren't higher than with a pure random lynch
We've hit scum day 1 before. Its hard, not impossible. This defeatist attitude is not good, please correct it. If we all analyze and concentrate our efforts lynching mafia is entirely possible.
So, who do you think is scum right now? What do you think we should be doing to heighten our odds of hitting mafia?
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I'm off for a while, might not be back in the next 6 or so hours.
Also every time RoL posts in the thread I have a mini-heart attack.
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Popping in for a brief second. Cant stay long.
I wanted to say that Drazak saying his flip will prove anything is stupid, my alignment is not tied to his in any way, if he flips green I may be scum still. If he flips red, I may be green, or red. Making assumptions about me based on him or him based on me is wifom at best, stupid at worst.
More constructive opinions as soon as I handle a couple things that have popped up IRL. I may end up not posting till tomorrow, I'll see what I can do.
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GMarshal's Address
First and foremost, I will only be addressing the current 3 lynch targets in my assessments, the three targets as I see them are VE, Drazek, and sinani206. Furthermore I'd like to apologize for vanishing for the last few hours. Real life can be a huge bitch sometimes.
Let me also address the mafia shootings. LSB I already talked about, as I was around at the time. The Awesome All makes perfect sense as a kill, as his aggressiveness has both revealed him as an almost guaranteed target, and his accusations of me make his death ideal to frame me. Nautilus makes no sense to me as a *mafia* kill, I believe it may be a stray vigilante shot. Either way speculating about mafia kills is just WIFOM, and best ignored.
This post will establish what I think of each candidate, by looking at what they have posted
VisceraEyes
On June 28 2011 13:59 VisceraEyes wrote: I see both sides of making lists. The discussion it generates is a definite plus for town, if it's focused the right way. YM, you referenced the Zodiac List from XLII...what you didn't take into account was that after he posted the Zodiac List, BC didn't guide the discussion after it...making it bad for town. He used the fact that no one uses the list properly to his advantage. Had he been town, he likely would have guided discussion properly, and it likely would have been more of a help for town.
There are a lot of likelies in that statement, and I'm well aware of it, tyvm. That's just my opinion.
Conversely, when abused, the Zodiac Lists DO tend to clutter up the thread.
This post sticks out to me. Look at it, it says a lot, right? It talks about how lists can be excessively useful, and about how they can clutter the thread. What he fails to do is take a stance on these lists. Does he think we should be discussing them? If so then where is his and why isn't he talking about specific lists? If he doesn't then why dosn't he say that? Where is all this "This is all just my opinion" thing coming from? Where is his stance?
This lack of commitment is a clear sign of someone scared of being forced to argue either side, so he takes a neutral "I can see both sides" stance.
Then he argues about who belongs on the vet list with me, specifically he thinks Palmar doesn't belong there. But its not a strong opinion, he dosen't lobby for me to change the list or argue about it very strongly, he just kind of lets it go. I have the feeling his heart wasn't really in the argument, which is interesting, because it feels like he brought it up so he could say "see I thought something about the lists!"
On June 28 2011 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote: :O
I go to do research to answer GM's question and I come back to this?!?! Real Time is going to be INSANITY.
Vaccuous and fluffy. I think 201 is leading there with the 8-10 (exaggeration, but just barely) posts concerning his name. Yes, we get it. They're not the same people.
I was also going to say LSB for talking about a plan to put people on the lurker list and then not following through...but....
Another post that sticks out to me as excessively scummy. The last line is the typical response of a mafia who is trying to hard to fake surprises "Oh, I would have *never* shot LSB, I thought he was scummy" is what we are supposed to get out of it. Its a textbook scumtell, which makes it more unlikely to be accurate, but I believe it bears mentioning, scumtells are tells for a reason.
He then has 4-5 posts where he promises analysis and points out that Drazek flipping red makes me probably red... which is ridiculous, as I said earlier, scum who feel threatened love to muddy the water by buddying up to town leaders and distancing themselves from their buddies, its a method to both try to avoid the immediate suspicion and to bring chaos when they die.
VisceraEyes then brings up a rather large PBP analysis of Drazek, which is a point in his favor, although the fact that he had to wait to get to a vote lead before he produced this says something bad about his motivation. It also seems to me like his analysis is a rehash of previously made points. In the end VisceraEyes comes out looking scummy, but trying to redeem himself, arguments in his favor include that no one has come out and defended him and the fact that he is defending himself. I'm not convinced of Viscera's guilt, and
Sinani206
Lets talk about Sinani206, the man some people are convinced is scum. He starts the game by pressure voting 201, his clone, in an attempt to generate some activity, which is good. Then when we start discussing a "pro-town atmosphere" he shows up with this little tidbit
On June 28 2011 14:44 sinani206 wrote:Pro-Town atmosphere would ideally be: - No taking lead.
Being a "leader" seems really scummy to me. I just have this innate bias that leaders are mafia, and even though there is quite a slim chance of them being scum, if they are, town has already lost.
- No spamming.
As has been mentioned before, all spamming does is derail town. It makes posts hard to find and confuses people so that scum are harder to analyse and pin for what they really are.
- Active scumhunting.
Scumhunting is obviously very pro-town. It gives the town a good discussion point and helps (obviously) find mafia. No reason not to do this.
- No lurking.
Lurking is confusing for all players who aren't lurking. It makes you hard to analyse. Obviously with all the anti-lurking abilities in this game, it isn't much of an issue, but keep this in mind.
That pretty much covers it. If anyone has any additions, feel free to share. Keep all of these points in mind when posting and analyzing. Off to play some SotIS and then go to sleep. Probably won't check the thread until morning. Good night folks!
Now people gave him a lot of crap for point 1.) No Leaders, which I fail to grasp, yes its not a *brilliant* point, but its one way to generate discussion, to make a controversial point of debate! We could have had a whole polarized debate with people forced to give opinions on the value of leadership and on how the town needs to scrutinize leaders. Instead it was glazed over and brought as a point against him Bad Ideas =/= scum. Its the rest of his points we should be taking issue with, as its spelling out the obvious, its the type of thing a mafia can say without sticking their neck out, because it doesn't address *how* to do this. No No Lurking, because we will shoot you, no discussion of how the town will enforce the atmosphere, only one good point amongst many bad ones. This post *is* scummy, but not for the reasons that have been brought up
He then spends like 6 posts insinuating I'm mafia because I take "leadership" which is how I act every game anyway, which I'm sure sinani206 is aware of. Still its good to question "leaders" as they must be scrutinized in case they are mafia, in which case they can lead the town in circles.
On June 29 2011 13:40 sinani206 wrote: Stop derailing the thread with the IRC nonsense. You're scaring others (like me) from posting.
This post, it just confuses the hell out of me. The derailing the thread part is good, but the reason is... crap... how does the conversation about IRC scare anyone from posting. To me it looks like discontinuous logic, Sinani is scared of posting and needs a reason for it, so he comes up with something that is happening in the thread to justify it. This, is extremely suspicious to me, as he has never claimed to be "scared" in any other game of his I've seen.
Sinani206 then votes for VE, based on meta reasonings. As I have said before, when you make a case for your vote it can use meta as backing, but never as the sole reason.
Furthermore Sinani206 bashes VE's analysis, yet Sinani has all of ONE post that is longer than a few lines. He has no analysis and next to no opinion on players. Its almost as if he weren't committing to anything , the only opinion on players I've seen from him is Drazek is less scummy than VE, because Drazek is playing similar to how he played in SNMMIV (poorly). Oh and GM is scum, my gut says so, which is the most weaksauce argument I've seen in a while, especially after he claimed he "naturally" thinks leaders are scum.
From his scant contributions and his effort to post enough to not be a lurker, while *still* not helping the town, and his unwillingness to actually form opinions, I conclude that Sinani is scum running scared. He might just be playing poorly as town, but right now he looks red to me. My opinion might change if he makes up his mind on a couple things, such thoughts on other players in the game, and a justification for his lack of opinions previously.
Drazek
Now, l'm pretty sure my opinion on Drazek is going to be pretty radical compared to other people's but so be it. Lets look at one of his first posts
On June 28 2011 21:46 Drazerk wrote:After reading Dropbear's post on Henry is anyone Else suspicious of Edward the first? At the start of the game he is Pretty much forced into talking by Henry which Dropbear picked up on but no one really followed it up. ( I think LSB died a few moments later ) Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 14:37 Sinani201 wrote:On June 28 2011 14:26 DropBear wrote:
2. On June 28 2011 12:21 Sinani201 wrote:On June 28 2011 12:15 sinani206 wrote: Blues should play however and whenever they want. I shouldn't even have to mention that the townie is the most important role in the game. Analysis wins games, not blues. Let's get some pressure going.
I'm pretty annoying, so I'm going to pressure ##Vote: Sinani201 into being active because I know how much time he spends sitting at his computer and I don't want him to die from lurker KP his first game.
If someone dies from lurker KP, do they get banlisted? You're already voting for me? First off, I am not Sinani201. I'm Nisani201. Second of all, if you want me to make a post, you could have asked nicely. I don't have anything to contribute yet. I'm reading every single post, and when I feel like I have enough information, I will contribute. This little exchange confuses me. Why was it necessary to do this? Scumbuddies I wonder, trying to keep each other from being lurker targets? This early matey stuff reminds me of Irish_Punk13 in XXXIX. We all know what alignment he ended up flipping. Voting Edward the 1st. You're right, the exchange wasn't necessary. But he wanted someone new to talk, and he knew that I was online at the time. As other people have said the majority of his posts are him stating they are not the same person and the only thing he has truly contributed was outlining a mistake by Chaos Either Alerting his mafia buddies of a possible medic claim or just being stupid Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 13:24 Sinani201 wrote:On June 28 2011 13:22 chaos13 wrote: Would somebody mind assembling a list of the skilled/veteran players for myself and the others who are not familiar with all the names in the roster? A 'priority list', if you will, of players mafia are likely to kill first. From this, it seems like you are either trying to help the Mafia, or softclaiming medic. Or perhaps trying to help the medic. Personally Im suspecting Both Edward and Henry due to the amount of Fluff they are producing to keep of that lurker list
Now, what exactly is this post? Is it a wall of fluff? Perhaps an attempt at dodging thoughts? No, its an *actual* opinion! On TWO players. Without prodding or prompting I think too. Do you know how rare this is? Especially if he is mafia? How many other players had commited to an opinion at this point in the game? Almost none. This in book earns the man some townie points, despite the weakness of his suspicion and the lack of a vote supporting it, he still came out with an opinion. This is almost exactly what TAA did earlier, minus the cynical tone, its a townie looking post, in style, even if it lacks content. Furthermore he *does* vote for Sinani206 which makes the post an accusation, rather than a mudfling.
Then there is his defense of me, I will not quote it in full as it is not necessary, but how often do you see mafia players radically reversing their positions like that? Not often, at least in my book, I would have expected a much more doubtful post from him in regards to me, something like "he could be town, might be scum, lets talk about maybe lynching him, if you want". Its possible its a mafia ploy to tie us two together, in which case there is a clever player in the mafia team, but to be honest, I doubt it, to me this reversal in stance is exactly what scum would avoid, as it causes people to scrutinize you even harder. I find his lack of opinion on hiro interesting though, having already expressed opinions on Sinani206 and 201 I would expect him to have said something about hiro. Although he reaches much the same conclusion as I do "Hiro has yet to say *anything* we can judge him by"
He then contributes this analysis of sinani206, which is 1.) bringing focus back on a FoS he had earlier and 2.) Actually an all out accusation. This shows that Drazak is actually forming an opinion
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oops, that wasn't done when I hit post, I'll finish it up now
The last paragraph on VE should read
VisceraEyes then brings up a rather large PBP analysis of Drazek, which is a point in his favor, although the fact that he had to wait to get to a vote lead before he produced this says something bad about his motivation. It also seems to me like his analysis is a rehash of previously made points. In the end VisceraEyes comes out looking scummy, but trying to redeem himself, arguments in his favor include that no one has come out and defended him and the fact that he is defending himself. I'm not convinced of Viscera's guilt, and think Sinani206 is a better lynch
from where it cuts of in my Drazek analysis.
This shows that Drazak is actually forming an opinion and committing to it, which is not a newbie mafia trait. Finally asking for DT checks is one of the last things a mafia would ask for, since there is the risk of them being taken up on it.
Basically I don't see where this wagon on Drazak is coming from, all I get from him is a newbie town read. He might be deceiving me, but hes answered all questions and committed to opinions thought the game, if he is scum he has some good guidance from his team, but so far he seems like a transparent townie to me.
My vote goes on Sinani206
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On June 30 2011 06:14 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 06:12 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 06:09 sinani206 wrote:On June 30 2011 06:00 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:58 sinani206 wrote:On June 30 2011 05:56 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:56 sinani206 wrote:On June 30 2011 05:54 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:53 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:51 sinani206 wrote: Of course you think I'm a better target because you don't want to die. lol If I cared about dying why would I martyr in every game I join? Edited because I fail at English You're using the martyr thing to defend yourself again. Do you not understand that dying is detrimental to your team? A death can reveal a lot of information ... Not in your case. I would like to throw this conversation out there that He is Still not contributing but rather using OMGUS in One liners ... Also, you're "throwing it out there" on purpose to make people vote for me instead of you. That's a really scummy defense. Someone who has not contributed much making one liners and then claims that me pointing out is a scummy move... You are Scum and unless you can prove me other whys my vote will stay on you OK, how do I prove you "otherwhys"?
Form some opinions, point back them up. Why am I scum for example, other than "became leader". Point out what I've done that shows I'm not town aligned, or that actually hurt the town. Make an actual case or analysis of someone. Something.
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Also anyone notice Hiro has vanished again? After making a really weak case on sylogism and throwing his vote on drazek based on someone else's analysis he hasn't really been around. I'm not going to promote switching over to him now, but if he isn't on the lurker list vigis/dts should consider giving him a visit.
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On June 30 2011 06:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: @GM
What do you think of Drazerk's martyring posts? I might be willing to consider changing my vote, but I can't get past how he makes a post giving up and then points us to a game where he dd the same thing as town. What's your take?
I generally ignore meta, and pointing to the metagame is something I've seen both new and old players do, both as scum and town. Its bad play, but it doesn't tilt the balance for me either way, as we've said, bad play =/= mafia.
Is it a determining factor for you? I understand what about it makes it suspicious, but in my experience its not something only mafia or only town do, so I'm not getting a huge read based on it.
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On June 30 2011 06:48 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 06:40 sinani206 wrote: I think I may have pinned someone, but I'm not entirely sure about him/her yet. Give me a few minutes. More Whishy washy scum posting? Get a suspect and commit to it. this is just fluff buying you enough times for people in Europe to go to sleep unable to change votes um? what?
If sinani is scum that would be idiotic of him. Im a fair bit more interested in why you came to this conclusion.
I thought you didn't mind dying?
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