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On June 21 2011 10:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Ugh...this is a mess. Clearly I wasn't ready for this. How do you vets do it? I mean, I know at least half of you just lynch people at random and pick up the pieces halfway through, but some of you vets are REALLY good.
Honestly this was something I wasn't expecting. I have no idea if people have been following the OP and messaging incog their role use. As such this confirmation idea can backfire and trust me this is the last thing I was expecting. As for lynching, early days you get a read on what appears to be scumlike behaviour and lynch on it, later on people are much more obvious with their slipups and vigi's and lynches clean up. If you're lucky a dt pops in and nabs one or two.
Analysis is something that is only ever solidly reliable day 3 on.
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On June 21 2011 10:56 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 10:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Analysis is something that is only ever solidly reliable day 3 on. Yeah, that's a hell of a point that I didn't really think of.. It makes me feel less bad about my horrible analyses.
It's just one of those things. People are dead so you can see who attacked who, or who said what, who voted for who. The more data you have the more you have to work with. The situation also arises somewhat frequently when a fresh batch of players comes into the forum everyone has to learn how to analyze their play. Are they saying something because its a rookie mistake or because they are red, etc...
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Apparently my worrying was for nothing. Thanks for job well done hiro.
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On June 21 2011 11:22 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 11:20 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 21 2011 11:14 Mataza wrote:
There has to be another hit or save tonight:
Hiro suicided Node
Sandroba died. Mafia KP was cut by one for mismodkilling aidnai yesterday. So you let it leak you were blue to RoL, and they popped Sandroba and you? Did anyone else know about this plan? ANYONE. BC, for instance? ...Time to look at vote lists. of course bc knew about the plan have you been reading the thread AT ALL?
All I had for plans going was town KP. One of which is now used.
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On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote: And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information.
That he was. I was never informed of this plan though.
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On June 21 2011 11:40 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote: And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information. That he was. I was never informed of this plan though. I can explain: In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after.
Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us.
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On June 21 2011 11:42 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 11:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:40 Mataza wrote:On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote: And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information. That he was. I was never informed of this plan though. I can explain: In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after. Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us. This PM land stuff is tempting me to mason one of you. How secure if your PM circle?
I currently have 3 mason'd people alive, 1 as of like 2 hours ago, 1 who mason'd me then never messaged, and one I mason'd. Hiro and sand were both mason'd to me. Hiro mason'd me start of last night, and sand end of day 1.
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On June 21 2011 11:50 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 11:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:42 youngminii wrote:On June 21 2011 11:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:40 Mataza wrote:On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote: And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information. That he was. I was never informed of this plan though. I can explain: In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after. Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us. This PM land stuff is tempting me to mason one of you. How secure if your PM circle? I currently have 3 mason'd people alive, 1 as of like 2 hours ago, 1 who mason'd me then never messaged, and one I mason'd. Hiro and sand were both mason'd to me. Hiro mason'd me start of last night, and sand end of day 1. Is the person who mason'd you 2 hours ago someone who hasn't posted in the last 5 pages? I had a guy mason me a couple hours ago too.
Mine has posted.
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Ok. So after some thinking and looking at whats presented here I am going to agree his lynch. I honestly don't want to believe he is red based on everything throughout the course of the game as it doesn't strike me as his normal scum play, but the only other scenario I can come up with seems far less likely than the one currently proposed.
I will be going through the thread after i get back from work tonight and start the writeup on a few players to give us some solid analysis on where our vigi's can work tonight rather than us have to wait till the last minute.
##vote RoL
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On June 22 2011 11:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:I will reveal the portion where I am breadcrumbed Mataza's role. I finally figured it out, with the help of Mataza. Show nested quote + [6/18/2011 6:09:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm gonna pasate his msg [6/18/2011 6:09:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: It´s not really an analysis in my opinion, I just posted to get discussion going again. I don´t feel to well with either lynch, it will probably be a witch hunt again, like always
I seriously doubt Demorcerf being scum though. ILJ will hold my vote until a better case comes up. It´s a better case than Sina or Aidnai. As for lurkers, I´m no fan of lurker hunting. Some scum might be lurking, but it is beyond me how to find them normally.
Too bad no one followed your plan, was looking forward to it.
The bold portion was supposed to infer that the only reason Mataza would be interested in Sandroba's (shitty) plan is because Mataza himself was a DT. It was such a vague reference that I never even realized it until Mataza pointed it out a couple of hours ago.
Seriously? This is the fucking pm that they are raping you for? I'm sorry but if this is seriously the message that you based your entire plan around? I am sorry but this is the most tenuous link I have ever seen. You are tunneling way too much on something that is next to nothing. If this is honestly all you have I am rethinking this. This intricate plan is now based on really really huge stretch.
With this coming up I also sat back and had to think and realized I had told not only RoL but also Sandroba that hiro was hatter as soon as I was told. If either was red, hiro would have been roleblocked. They also knew who hiro was targetting.
Factor in, RoL pushed to have my vote swap off hiro during day 2. Syllogen flipped town, but so did hiro. If he was mafia why would he care who died?
I think this is actually a desperate attempt to snipe RoL since he got off the chopping block day 2.
unvote
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On June 22 2011 12:52 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 11:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:I will reveal the portion where I am breadcrumbed Mataza's role. I finally figured it out, with the help of Mataza. [6/18/2011 6:09:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm gonna pasate his msg [6/18/2011 6:09:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: It´s not really an analysis in my opinion, I just posted to get discussion going again. I don´t feel to well with either lynch, it will probably be a witch hunt again, like always
I seriously doubt Demorcerf being scum though. ILJ will hold my vote until a better case comes up. It´s a better case than Sina or Aidnai. As for lurkers, I´m no fan of lurker hunting. Some scum might be lurking, but it is beyond me how to find them normally.
Too bad no one followed your plan, was looking forward to it.
The bold portion was supposed to infer that the only reason Mataza would be interested in Sandroba's (shitty) plan is because Mataza himself was a DT. It was such a vague reference that I never even realized it until Mataza pointed it out a couple of hours ago. Yes, but more no. Sandroba told me he gave me away to you. I wasn´t told the details. Now you obviously only gave me material that was not dangerous to you. Show nested quote +[6/18/2011 6:09:02 PM] joe oliva: really suspicious imo [6/18/2011 6:09:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm gonna pasate his msg [6/18/2011 6:09:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: (my message) Now look at the timestamp. The exact timezone isn´t even relevant. Look at the date. Luckily I did copy little bit of text from IRC into skype because we had IRC issues. Show nested quote +[19.06.2011 20:28:44] sandro.maculan: Hi mataza_! I’d like to add you on Skype. Sandro Maculan [19.06.2011 20:28:44] Mataza: Mataza has shared contact details with Sandro Maculan. [19.06.2011 20:29:09] Mataza: [20:24] <Mataza> I wouldn´t think so^^ [20:25] <Mataza> Only thing making me nervous is you being scum [20:25] <Mataza> You could make hits on me so i push RoL [20:26] <Mataza> But I´m gonna put that away for now. [20:26] <Mataza> We´ll see if a case against me comes out of thin air soon [20:26] <Mataza> Since I am not worth doublestacking at this point [19.06.2011 20:29:12] Mataza: from irc [19.06.2011 20:30:04] Mataza: so basically I´m untouchable to scum [19.06.2011 20:37:24] Mataza: i can´t write in irc anymore lol [19.06.2011 20:37:33] Mataza: first this ever happened to me [19.06.2011 20:38:16] Sandro Maculan: shit [19.06.2011 20:38:24] Sandro Maculan: that's the same thing that keeps happening to me You can see from my conversation with Sandro, we were literally just about finished discussing "our plan", when we were forced to change from IRC to skype. Unprovable but funny fact: Sandroba outright told you I´m blue, he didn´t breadcrumb it. + Show Spoiler +[19.06.2011 20:57:20] Sandro Maculan: If you dont get shot tonight how do you feel about doing the same with bc [19.06.2011 20:57:43] Sandro Maculan: assuming I'm alive till then [19.06.2011 20:57:52] Mataza: sending him a heart? [19.06.2011 20:57:57] Sandro Maculan: lol [19.06.2011 20:57:59] Mataza: or telling him im a blue role [19.06.2011 20:58:08] Sandro Maculan: not telling [19.06.2011 20:58:12] Sandro Maculan: just crumbing Now, the alleged bluetell you gave us is on 18th, while I only began communicating with Sandroba on the 19th. Screw Timezone, there is a day missing. What you have pointed out is vague at best, that is right. But what actually matter´s didnt happen back then, it happened around a day later.
Check bolded bits. Roba mason'd me and RoL into night 1. He also revealed he had 1 single mason before he mason'd us. Lying to prove your case is pretty desperate dude.
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On June 22 2011 13:36 Mataza wrote:Oh come on, don´t take us for morons just because we are relatively new to this forum. RoL taking a little breadcrumb I planted and selling it as something Sandroba would panic over is retarded. You could as well go back to day one where i planted my first meager breadcrumb which nobody cared for. It can work and I will definitely go through with this.This is horseshit and it´s from the 15th. What RoL just served you is the same horseshit from 18th. Seriously, do I really need to tell someone I cannot trust yet(BloodyC0bbler) what I do, before I do it to make it credible? Of course RoL is going to deny receiving a message that would condemn him. He is SCUM on the chopping block. Him saying he received that message is the equivalent of him confessing his guilt. At the start people said town wins by creating several small circles instead of one big circle. But apparently every communication has to go through BC or some other veteran still. Do you want to know why I do not trust any of the veterans? Because they did fuck all this game and fuck all my last game. We have a Zodiac list with veterans. The first vet dies, the second vet dies, nobody reacts. Node gets killed and flips scum. BC called him out apparently with pure gut feeling. That reeks of the godfather bussing the weakest link. There was no analysis prior to the night and no questions asked afterwards.
You do realize he never responded solidy to my pressure day 1? You do realize he was on mine and sand's scum lists?
You can ask questions, sure. Thats fine and good. I am here asking questions now. The bits i quoted in your previous posts suggested crumbs -_- and you outright lied on when you mason'd him. I get trying to prove your point, but what you and RoL have provided shows the weakest fucking plan I have ever seen. I then see a player say "rol and opz are crap shoots, lets shoot inactives, into supporting rol's lynch to back to inactives".
Give me something more.
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On June 22 2011 15:04 Mataza wrote: It is not there because I don´t have my IRC conversations logged.
The sad part is I have to record every single thing I say. I wasn´t aware of that. IRC kept crashing.
So, your claiming that RoL was told of something that you don't actually have proof of? This is sounding scummier by the moment.
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On June 22 2011 15:09 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 15:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 22 2011 15:04 Mataza wrote: It is not there because I don´t have my IRC conversations logged.
The sad part is I have to record every single thing I say. I wasn´t aware of that. IRC kept crashing. So, your claiming that RoL was told of something that you don't actually have proof of? This is sounding scummier by the moment. Are you really thinking Mataza is scum? He's obviously 99% a vet. Uncharacteristic play from you.
Eh? uncharacteristic? Not really. Someone claims "hi guys I caught a red" his entire argument gets debunked. When the game is also at a point where a misslynch royally fucks the town it is not unsurprising to assume mafia is trying something. At this stage in the game with only 1 red down, 5-11, 1 misslynch and a night of hits puts mafia in a position that only town kp can actually prevent the mafia from winning.
You're damn right im suspicious. He comes out with a "solid plan" that was designed to catch a red. Rather than have the only real piece of proof needed to seal the deal it is strangely missing.
The situation is now
Mataza is scum. Believed roba had solidly "leaked" his role, and double stacked roba or shot hiro in hopes of getting RoL lynched.
Or
Mataza is vet, mafia shot roba and mataza and this entire situation is a total wtf shit.
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On June 22 2011 15:20 youngminii wrote:mataza claimed vet to sandroba a long time ago you can't seriously expect me to believe scum mataza had the foresight to plan this from the very start his entire argument hasn't really been debunked it's just an issue of whether or not to believe mataza or rol rol's good enough to know what to do in this situation (as scum), and if you're convinced the OBVIOUS vet is scum then obviously rol's doing a good job but yeah if neither of them are red this whole situation is fucked and mataza shall never be trusted again
He just claimed in earlier posts that he didnt tell sand his role until around the same time sand supposedly told RoL. Like, this entire plan hatched from. Sand "telling RoL" his role the moment he was told by mataza. Mataza then gets annoyed and they make this plan to confirm RoL. Or have I horribly misread what has been presented here?
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On June 22 2011 15:27 Mataza wrote:ZodiacScumlist Show nested quote +Rebirthoflegend - is to be lynched today/attacks YM
BloodyC0bbler - Godfather/keeps finding reasons to play down my plan
Node - was bussed by Bloodyc0bbler
Mr.Wiggles - tries to salvage RoL by sheeping the YM attack
Kitaman - flipped green
Opz - distances himself from RoL already, began analysing votes of day 1 & day 2 for no reason
Youngminii - "lynching rol or opz is a crapshoot, let´s lynch landenc"
Scamp - flipped blue Seriously, am I hallucinating? All these players are supposed to promote discussion and pro town atmosphere from day 1. What actually happened is that the thread was incredibly inactive and RoL actually got away day 2 by waiting. You are not supposed to wait until the suspicion on you is gone. They all kept moderately active if you look at post numbers. But you can also find gems like: Mine has posted + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2011 11:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 11:50 youngminii wrote:On June 21 2011 11:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:42 youngminii wrote:On June 21 2011 11:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:40 Mataza wrote:On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote: And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information. That he was. I was never informed of this plan though. I can explain: In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after. Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us. This PM land stuff is tempting me to mason one of you. How secure if your PM circle? I currently have 3 mason'd people alive, 1 as of like 2 hours ago, 1 who mason'd me then never messaged, and one I mason'd. Hiro and sand were both mason'd to me. Hiro mason'd me start of last night, and sand end of day 1. Is the person who mason'd you 2 hours ago someone who hasn't posted in the last 5 pages? I had a guy mason me a couple hours ago too. Mine has posted. Hint: Hiro has an active blue role or is veteran being shot by vigilante, don´t kill him + Show Spoiler +On June 20 2011 13:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So here is the dealio. No one, and I repeat no one shoots hiro. There are new developments that I cannot go into detail at this exact time to explain but no one takes a pot shot at him. I repeat
until further notice, no hatter/vig shoots hiro
When things are fleshed out more I will give you more info, but for the next bit of time keep your guns holstered. -.- + Show Spoiler +On June 20 2011 13:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 13:28 Varpulis wrote:On June 20 2011 13:01 sandroba wrote: RoL, why are you asking for DT checks on people on hiro's lynch while asking for a vig shot on hiro? That's like you are already assuming he will flip green. What the hell is your logic here? ...when did he ask for that? What am I missing in PM land? Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 11:00 flamewheel wrote: Day 2 Vote Tally
Votes for RebirthOfLeGenD (2): FudgeMunkey, Node,
Votes for syllogism (10): RebirthOfLeGenD, GGQ, Jacinto, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, Shraft, hiro protagonist, LandenC, ~OpZ~, BloodyC0bbler
Votes for hiro protagonist (7): sandroba, Varpulis, Mataza, youngminii, VisceraEyes, DeMorcerf, syllogism
Votes for Node (1): sinani206
syllogism is to be lynched. aidnai and grassgiraffe will be modkilled. -_- I can´t believe the apathy of our beloved vets.
Believe it or not a lot of our apathy comes from retarded plays like this. You know what, yes, telling in thread not to shoot hiro could infact have given his role away, but whats worse? Him being shot with a bomb on no one, and wasting two town kp's or get one to hopefully get his shot off?
You call it apathy but seriously, day 1 and 2 town was killed in the lynches and tunneled. I spend a day trying to direct a lynch towards someone who gets modkilled a day later. RoL does defend himself and gets the lynched moved (sadly to a townie) but the person he saved was a blue. Why would mafia put their neck out that far. Why would he not just defend himself and get hiro killed instead?
Overall the plays done by RoL have shown a ton of apathy but factor in other circumstances and they aren't horrendously scumlike. Seriously dude. You have been caught in a situation where you have literally no proof of what you claim and ask people to trust you.
But not just trust you in this, you want them to mason you? To organize people? Why would anyone trust you when you have yet to actually prove your alignment. Instead it wastes peoples mason's and potentially outs the remaining blues.
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On June 22 2011 16:02 Mataza wrote:This is a nice argument right there. Could RoL know if Syllo or Hiro were blue? No, he didn´t. Would he be more credible when he attacks a lurker no one else had on the radar, through the sheer power of being a forum veteran? Yes, I do think so. I can´t remember RoL defending Hiro. Actually, I do remember you, BC, telling the town to shoot the survivor of the lynch anyway. Because you just don´t care. Oh wait, halfway through the night Sandroba said this Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 13:01 sandroba wrote: RoL, why are you asking for DT checks on people on hiro's lynch while asking for a vig shot on hiro? That's like you are already assuming he will flip green. What the hell is your logic here? To which you answered this: Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 13:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 20 2011 13:28 Varpulis wrote:On June 20 2011 13:01 sandroba wrote: RoL, why are you asking for DT checks on people on hiro's lynch while asking for a vig shot on hiro? That's like you are already assuming he will flip green. What the hell is your logic here? ...when did he ask for that? What am I missing in PM land? On June 20 2011 11:00 flamewheel wrote: Day 2 Vote Tally
Votes for RebirthOfLeGenD (2): FudgeMunkey, Node,
Votes for syllogism (10): RebirthOfLeGenD, GGQ, Jacinto, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, Shraft, hiro protagonist, LandenC, ~OpZ~, BloodyC0bbler
Votes for hiro protagonist (7): sandroba, Varpulis, Mataza, youngminii, VisceraEyes, DeMorcerf, syllogism
Votes for Node (1): sinani206
syllogism is to be lynched. aidnai and grassgiraffe will be modkilled. -_- You can´t say you didn´t call for shooting the survivor of the lynch. Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 10:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Swaying argument in pm land has led me to believe syllo is a better lynch atm. vote syllogismOn June 20 2011 10:18 GGQ wrote:On June 20 2011 04:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Worst 36 hours of my life that I can remember in ages. However I am back and my schedule is now back to standard life so I shouldn't be mia so long. To start with, I have just caught up on the thread and anyone voting for RoL unvote now. With so little discussion against his lynch it is clear mafia are content with him dying. Factor in his general acting like an ass to me would imply that if he is town he is using it to dodge night hits. Why the hell else would you be so apathetic? Now as to the two other vote targets proposed below. On June 20 2011 04:28 Varpulis wrote:I'm still really unsure about syllogism. I've read through his posts 3 times, and I can't confidently say mafia or town. I'm leaving my vote on Hiro, at least for the time being. I suggest that we consolidate our votes to three possible lynches, to avoid letting scum hide behind outlier votes. - syllogism
- Hiro Protagonist
- RebirthOfLeGenD
Is that list OK with people? Everybody should pick one, and vote for them, providing reasons as to why they are picking that person over the other two. Protest voting a lurker or somebody in no danger of being lynched is not going to accomplish anything. Hiro has two days worth of suspect behaviour, and has been on the lynch twice. IF he survives this lynch he should be getting vigi'd. Simple. Syllogism has called people out for not contributing and then barely contributed himself. He then follows it up using the excuse. On June 19 2011 05:50 syllogism wrote: It's just frustrating to even to even attempt scum hunting when play like that is tolerated from veterans. It is decidedly anti-town, even if it's more likely he wouldn't play like that as scum. Now i say this is suspect purely for one simple reason. He doesn't believe RoL would perform this way as scum, but then doesnt try to figure out why RoL is playing the way he is and still votes to kill him. He has since unvoted and has opted to analyze another player on very weak analysis. After this analysis he doesnt even back it up with a vote. Major FoS on him for now. As a new player who has a ton of expectations you don't follow through on what you expect of others, nor do you properly pressure the people you expect more from and rely on other people to do it for you. This being said your activity level throughout the day as well as attempting to do analysis (even if it was terrible but everyone starts at the bottom before learning) I am willing to give you another day to step it up. Hiro has not really done a whole lot, and the moment votes started swapping from RoL elsewhere (syllo and hiro) the thread picked up in activity from what I can see. As such it seems mafia more likely to be opposed to one of the two of these players being lynched. vote hirotheprotagonist Vigi's whichever of the two doesnt get lynched, the other should be shot. Did you just scumslip by assuming that either of these players would flip green? Anyways, I think at this point Node is the highest priority for a vig shot, we can't let people on YOUR zodiac list lurk that hardcore. Based on how both appeared on the lynch docket at roughly the same time and thread activity has spiked at the same time, I would gather 1 is red, whereas the possibility of a second is there it is not guarenteed. If the lynch flips green vig the survivor as that is who the red will be. Oh how very indifferent to who gets lynched. You don´t even try to find out which is red. Let´s just try and if it didn´t work, try again. I mean we have a lot of town players, it´s not like it´s important to minimize losses.
So wanting someone dead to clear up a descrepency in voting and seeing people who pushed people is a bad thing? You then point out my post bolding information found in the voting thread as a bad post? He missed an obvious post, it is very -_-
In that same token, you are annoyed I wanted to see hiro and syllogen flip. But Hiro was up for two lynches. Not 1, 2. He had been attacked by a ton of people, and flipped town. Syllogen appeared scummy but flipped town. Seeing the information provided when so much analysis and time had gone into that situation had to be given. Not only did hiro clear that, a red died, and we are left in a much better position than we were day 2.
I get that you are mad I am attacking your plan but seriously dude, its really really really weak. IF you think hes red so much, solidly analyze the guy. Convince me, as of now you don't have enough.
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On June 22 2011 16:23 youngminii wrote: relax mataza no need to go mouthing off at everyone
rol is still slated to die, it's only bc defending him
and bc, there's been plenty of analysis done on rol
You mean like your analysis on him day 2? which was very familiar to your day 1 tunnel of ILJ that led to a townie?
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On June 22 2011 16:21 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 15:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2011 15:09 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 15:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 22 2011 15:04 Mataza wrote: It is not there because I don´t have my IRC conversations logged.
The sad part is I have to record every single thing I say. I wasn´t aware of that. IRC kept crashing. So, your claiming that RoL was told of something that you don't actually have proof of? This is sounding scummier by the moment. Are you really thinking Mataza is scum? He's obviously 99% a vet. Uncharacteristic play from you. Eh? uncharacteristic? Not really. Someone claims "hi guys I caught a red" his entire argument gets debunked. When the game is also at a point where a misslynch royally fucks the town it is not unsurprising to assume mafia is trying something. At this stage in the game with only 1 red down, 5-11, 1 misslynch and a night of hits puts mafia in a position that only town kp can actually prevent the mafia from winning. You're damn right im suspicious. He comes out with a "solid plan" that was designed to catch a red. Rather than have the only real piece of proof needed to seal the deal it is strangely missing. The situation is now Mataza is scum. Believed roba had solidly "leaked" his role, and double stacked roba or shot hiro in hopes of getting RoL lynched. Or Mataza is vet, mafia shot roba and mataza and this entire situation is a total wtf shit. My piece of evidence that seals the deal is me being fucking alive after being shot. In other games this is regarded as being confirmed vet. Now either you think the scumteam is a band of clowns that devises plans like this: Show nested quote +1: Use both kills on a low-key townie 2: Let one of the really new players claim Veteran 3: Send this new player to accuse RebirthofLegend, a known forum veteran 4: Have a case with around 90% evidence through logs. Leave out the part that "seals the deal" because that´s how we roll 5: Attack all the other veteran players, too. Who cares? 6: get immediately found out after RoL flips. To which the sensible alternative is this: Show nested quote +1: Use both kills on RebirthofLegend to break medic protection 2: Sheep on inactive townie lynch #3
Tell me, Node was scum right, so tell me would Node approve this? Would he actually say yes, we have someone claiming veteran Day 1, only for him to throw it all away day 3 by attacking RoL with an incomplete case? You, fine sir, must be mad to think that. On the other, if Sand slipped, by accident, a blueclaim to RoL and then Sand as well as the blueclaim get hit at night, but the blueclaim is veteran and tells the tale of it, that is total wtf shit?
Sands slip doesn't even look like a fucking slip dude.
and why did you list an example strategy of what mafia would do, when it didn't happen? It's day 3, RoL is not dead, and an inactive isn't on the lynch?
Like your clawing at straws here. You also list these ideas of what one I claim happen then another that is more sensible?
The sensible one because it didn't happen doesn't confirm RoL is scum? Saying what I proposed is wrong is just horribly WIFOM. Anything can happen in this game.
On June 22 2011 16:38 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +BC wrote on page 49: In that same token, you are annoyed I wanted to see hiro and syllogen flip. But Hiro was up for two lynches. Not 1, 2. He had been attacked by a ton of people, and flipped town. Syllogen appeared scummy but flipped town. Seeing the information provided when so much analysis and time had gone into that situation had to be given. Not only did hiro clear that, a red died, and we are left in a much better position than we were day 2. This is wrong on sooo many levels. RoL is right now up for his second lynch, too. It is also the first case to involve a blue and it would also be the first lynch to off a red. Up to now only GREENS have been up to be lynched. I may be missing something, but our information from day 1 and day 2 analysis are worth nothing. You can´t tell me you hit Node through that knowledge. I believe you are good, but I don´t believe you are a magician. How is our position any better than day 2? Why Node´s death doesn´t matter to scum: If I was scum and I could ensure that no scum will be lynched for the rest of the game, I would totally do it. And that is why our situation is actually worse then day 2. Much worse. We magically caught a scum oh wondrous world. No analysis has been done on him. Sinani commited a vote to him. How the fuck did you "catch" Node?
Wait, now your questioning how our situation is better? We are down one scum. As for how it happened? Did you not see me call him out day 1? Did you not see he continued the same activity I called him out for? Did you not see how he barely got through day 2. They guy is a damn vet and knows better. Sometimes you just look at the play and go "i know hes scummy" and It was acted on.
As for day 2 being worse? How is being up a townie, and down a red a bad thing? How is not wasting town KP to kill a town kp a bad thing.
Its only a bad looking day because we have wastes so much damn time on this shit already.
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Part of me was seriously hoping when I caught up on posts after I woke up that we would have moved on past all this. As its not and I still firmly believe that the case on RoL isn't strong enough and then I see that the case on YM has been going on almost ignored while he continues to be playing extremely suspect I am betting that he is red.
##vote youngminii
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