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Read Infy's analysis on incognito, im not really sold yet. Incog told me things I didn't know. I feel that indicates him as town more then not. He is being extremely wishy-washy with his voting, but I've been ignoring that I suppose. Don't really know how he plays, I just hear he's good. He helped at first but lately with picking candidates and stating reasons we haven't been on the same page. And Ace seems like obvious town at this point. He's a rolechecker, and all the roles I went through with that are just way too pro-town, and for him not to be a rolechecker, both he and rad would have to be scum. That said, protect Ace! I'm very curious as to what rad is since he isnt voterigger. AGENDA MUCH? | ||
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I'm still confused about the radfield role thing, but if Ace isn't pushing it, then I don't see any reason to dog after them for it until one of them feels it should be outed. In fact I have a feeling we shouldn't even guess :X I know I'm not supposed to be wishywashy, but im completely 50/50 on incognito. Going through all that trouble to be helpful only to ultimately have everyone else kick him around? I'd rather lynch chaoser someone I can more easily read then someone like incog who is getting the kavdragon syndrome. But incog does have other valid points against him, namely shapeless FoS like saying chaoser is scum and then not backing it up. I'm fairly certain I explained why chaoser was scum, so unless incog is just going with me, he once again put up a random FoS when he is about to die. WIFOM behind every corner! | ||
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1. Flamewheel - Chuiu Jack? 2. Scamp - Inventor 3. Caller 4. Barundar 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal 7. Deconduo - vanilla? 8. Foolishness - vanilla? 9. bumatlarge - watcher 10. Kavdragon - vanilla 11. Chaoser 12. Fishball 13. KillerSOS 14. Eiii 15. Infinitestory 16. Dreamflower 17. Mr.Wiggles 18. Original Name 19. tnkted 20. Chezinu 21. Ace - Capitalist?? 22. Kurumi 23. Incognito - America 24. Node 25. kitaman27 Didn't see any other claims, and I'd like that BP thing with deconduo and foolishness to be clarified more. Top 7 should have bulletproof somewhere? | ||
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watcher gets info in the form of numbers, not names. Im not going to say anything beyond that yet. It will come to fruition soon. I'm fairly certain GM is town, so the list seems like a very valid option for us. Incog and node are obviously the highest targets. I dont see why we wouldn't, i was initially against incogs lynch because he was very helpful but the majority of people who seem to make good decisions seem to believe its an act. I can see that to an extent. perhaps incog should claim? KillerSOS is a meh ynch to me, but i wouldn't be suprised if he popped mafia. I would love to do a complete analysis on chaoser for wiggles, but i dont have the time. Chaoser is an avid and simple poster as town. I'd say his mafia play is mostly defensive and safe. His last post was this I think? On May 21 2011 00:04 chaoser wrote: Wait so why am I mafia again? Because I was inactive? You know, coag threw out numbers on why he thought I was mafia in toy factory mafia and never gave real reasons either. I ended up flipping green. Both you and bum have been doing that as well this game; I haven't seen a single analysis post on me from anyone. I was busy at the start of the game and tried to pressure GM like I did to Irish in XXXIX. He overreacted a bit and then explained himself well so I backed off. Now that I've caught up a decent amount I decide to write a big post on foolishness to pressure him because yes his posting IS weird and I get hit with the "you are scum" bat? Yeah the post was sudden but that's only cause I've finally read enough to have an informed opinion on what I'm writing about. How is that scummy? Until someone writes up a real piece of analysis against me I'm going to be sending my time looking at others. Pretty much as defensive as you can get. But mostly it was his activity and posting before the role picking ended. Mafia needs to focus on their draft and roles, and an average poster would find it hard to make quality posts and discuss things with his buddies at the same time. This is from experience. Incog goes against this, but he is very active, and this does not apply to everyone. It applies to chaoser. He can say he was busy then, but his posting then On May 15 2011 07:57 chaoser wrote: pick town roles, kill anyone found with anti town roles, how hard is that? Denying opens a whole can of WIFOM worms. Did he pick to deny? or did he pick it to use? I guess if you did pick to deny, you should claim in thread so that we can keep an eye on you. On May 15 2011 18:14 chaoser wrote: Roles haven't been picked yet? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176529¤tpage=84#1665 night On May 16 2011 01:39 chaoser wrote: Mafia has a lot of cover power this game, there's like 4-5 roles that just let you hide your alignment/role. We can't rely on blue investigation to pull us through, Not to mention inventor will probs not live very long. I'd rather the inventor make more useful stuff than bulletproof vests. How is Assassin protown? It's basically a CV for mafia since they can just name GREEN everyone. For townie it's like a one time DT role that confirms one person outright with the potential to KP a lot of shit. These are his meatiest posts in the draft/role portion. This is a scum trying to seem like he's in the discussion where is using his real limited time figuring out exactly what his team is going to do. Thats all i got ill try to check in before the lynch goes off. | ||
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I agree with everything caller said here. On May 21 2011 11:03 Caller wrote: What the hell is going on we have a list of people that we can both purge of mafia and clear There is at least 1 mafia, maybe two, on that list. If its 1 mafia, its either GMarshal, or Mafia + a frame. If its 2 mafia, GMarshal is almost certainly not mafia, because it'd be friggin stupid for mafia to create a situation where its 2/6 instead of 1/5. There is absolutely no reason for us not to get on this list. If none of Node, Incog, and Chez is mafia (well, in addition to me, ofc) either I'm the worst player in the history of the world or GMarshal is scum. Flamewheel gets pretty much cleared that way. If only one of them is scum, then obviously flamewheel is not clear. But if two fo them are scum, and this is by far my most likely feeling, given that mafia would not do something that bold this early, then we have a cleared list of Flamewheel and GMarshal. I'm perfectly willing to die to clear off two DT roles like that, or to snag a scum DT. I'm not sure why Node, Incog, and Chez (the latter of whom is recently smelling like shit) are all running around like headless chickens trying to pass the blame onto people not on a list with guaranteed mafia as well as potential clears. Unless, of course, they're scummy. Which I think they are. Why are people voting for KillerSoS? He's definitely scummy as shit as has been already pointed out, but he claimed Tracker. At the very least, we should let him run his mouth and see what he has to say, because we can milk him for information regardless of whether he's scummy or town. Besides, killing him doesn't tell us a single goddamn thing. If we kill scum, we should do so in a position where we can scoop up other scum in the bargain, not a lone wolf and then have to start from square one all over again. My commitment is still pretty shitty. Someone (I think Radfield) requested a chaoser analysis so I'm working on that right now, but real life jumped on me and I'm still struggling to deal with it. Voted Incog because we should be getting that list cleared up. We're in a position to clear people completely, and get rid of some mafia, so why aren't we using it? It'll be hard to get off all the votes on Incog right now as much as I would like to be lynched and Incog shot (to ensure my honesty), so King should use his shooting on me or Node. I don't know what role Node is, but I'm fairly expendable, and once we have a clear list we have guaranteed night actions. In fact, assuming my gut reads of flamewheel is right, and assuming GMarshal isn't lying, we have at least 1 cleared investigative role that can be saturated with protection (I refuse to believe there are no medic roles). I did do some chaoser stuff but now I have more time, I can go into more depth. Still think we should kill chaoser, but we do need to lynch in the list right now. I believe node is actually the copycat, but this doesn't help him as town, since it would make perfect sense for mafia to kill scamp first for inventor, and then flamewheel if that fails. I need to read into node's posts more, because information wise it isn't looking good for him. | ||
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1) He's on the list. Hate on that all you want, but GM is town, and it would be stupid to ignore what he gives us. 2) I'm not really familiar with how incog plays, so even though he has been helpful, I can't ignore his less then fair accusations. 3) I don't find the others on the list besides node to be too scummy. Chez is already going to die, caller has been brash, but he obviously cares about the game eough to help somewhat, and he always makes good points. Unless someone can point something out, FW is town. If you want to vote node, I'll follow suit, but I'm not going outside the list. | ||
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EVERYONE VOTE NODE, do we know what rose colored glasses are going to do? No, only the user and inventor does. So what do we make of when we see "Sunday morning suprise!" or "tea leaves and vinegar"? I don't like it at all, a person everyone feels is scummy is getting away with a role thats too powerful to be in mafia hands, even for just a day. I'll switch once someone on killerSOS, (he claimed tracker god dammit...) gets off, because killerSOS is a phenomenally retarded lynch. Mafia at work tut tut. | ||
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On May 21 2011 12:40 Fishball wrote: I'm taking my vote off KillerSOS. I don't like what I see, and like I said, if I'm still alive on Day 3, we'll talk more. I'll be placing my vote on tnkted for now. Vote node you ball-less infidel. | ||
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On May 21 2011 12:48 Ace wrote: hah. It's interesting now that you mention it since I also glossed over it. A major suspect claims inventor and there isn't a fuss? v_v I've got a gun but I think I need to use my role check on someone else tonight. Do what you gotta do Ace. I'll be looking out for you WHAT DID BUM JUST SAY WILL HE DO THAT WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN? TUNE IN NEXT TIME ON PYP | ||
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On May 21 2011 13:05 Radfield wrote: someone please tell me that ver was supposed to post 5 minutes ago. I can't stay up another hour. Jesus, get out of my head. | ||
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I think you know what to do Ace, and I'm going to leave you to that. Since incog made you out to be mafia, you pretty much have a free pass to stay alive tonight, or all that work was for nothing, and incog has to make up another story. But I'm kinda psyched for tonight! I have plans! | ||
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I'll try to just take ll the meaty interesting posts. Ace has a universally cocky meta regardless of his alignment, so you need to dig a little deeper into what he says rather then take it as face value. This first sequence took place fairly early on. I believe this is important because Ace is pretty on par with what comes out of GM's mouth. Notice GM's tone as well, as I don't recall him ever speaking to someone in this way who was on his team. Whether Ace noticed this or not, he associated himself with a simpler player and I think he reaps the benefits from it. GM presents a less then ideal plan of action and Ace takes the time out to shoot it down politely. I think Ace's later exchanges with using GM's claim as gospel, which I believe was well-founded. On May 15 2011 06:34 Ace wrote: Good idea but trying to figure out what the mafia will pick is pretty much a crapshot at this point. There are just too many roles that are dangerous. Like Radfield iirc said - our best bet is to lynch anyone caught with clearly anti-town roles. This way no one can get away with " I was just picking this to deny Mafia from it" excuses. Imo the top spots should hog as many as the detective roles as possible, and let the middle pickers take prot roles. Mafia having extra KP isn't that scary if there are many prot + known investigation roles to stop them. In essence everyone could literally role claim and just go down the line forming investigations and without a brutal amount of KP Scum would be powerless to stop it. This was a response to Kavdragon. I'm not sure how this would playinto Ace's "politics" but he seems to give due respect to both kav and rad, so I really don't think he was plotting anything at this point. Ace seems like an average townie poster to me at this point, giving his thoughts where he feels is appropriate. He has done nothing to warrant a red read IMO. Let's go to post-rolepicks. On May 17 2011 05:49 Ace wrote: are you going to pay me to do your work for you? Actually Scum would want to vote with a group. If they don't they risk the possible chance of a group of confirmed townies by the DT. It's better for them and for the Town that people vote together. People voting alone are probably better off left to be checked by another investigation role. Even taking out the Wifom argument: With so many good roles the Mafia probably don't care if they clashed. In the other PYP games with the town focusing on 3 or so "too good to be true roles" (silly I know) number clashing was a decent idea in separating Town from Scum. In this game with so many good roles it probably doesn't matter as much. The hell is this shit? Pretty natural responses from Ace, but you can see his suspicion form on kavdragon. Kavdragon gives a scum list purely from numbers, so I believe this build up was warranted froma townie perspective. On May 17 2011 05:59 Ace wrote: By the way I unvoted Incognito for now. I saw something else in the last few pages that piqued my interest. I'm not certain, but posts like this provoke me to go back and re-read things. I'm sure Ace wouldn't have mentioned it if he didn't want other people to read into it as well. I still think I missed exactly what he was referring to though lol... Anyway I like these kinda posts On May 17 2011 10:09 Ace wrote: Find 1 post - make it look like someone is scum. Look at 5 posts by said person with "they have to be scum goggles" and find things that aren't there. I'm more inclined to start voting off all the finger pointers. This bullshit "look I've found some posts that makes this person looks scummy because I believe this is the true intent behind them" is sick. It sucked in all the other mafia games you people played in and it's going to suck now. So I'm going to: 1.) Push for some people to get lynched 2.) Kill one of you myself tonight Oh wait? What's that? Your damn right. Ace has a gun. Balls. So I think right here you might say this warrants FoS, but again we need to look further. Ace subtle claims, but when he said he had checked rad later, I think everyone figured he was the capitalist, which seems odd considering how far down the list he was, and how good the role is in town hands. Someone could have easily counterclaimed, so its safe to say he got it, and I dont think its a strong mafia role at all. I'd say its only good for cover from BB, and the role checks have potential but Ace is way to open with this to be scum. He's making himself perfectly traceable for town. I, again, am not reading scum, and I am certainly not noticing the "politics" as of yet. On May 18 2011 02:13 Ace wrote: I've got problems with all of those bolded claims. 1.) Doesn't matter where we lynch right now. We have no idea about where Mafia got their spots, and if Barundar is indeed the scummiest person then he gets the lynch. No tradeoffs. Thing is he isn't scummy at all. All he did was ask for people to stop throwing out scum accusations every other post - and I agree. It will be too easy to just get a random person lynched with this much division. 2.) Effort does not equal pro-town behavior. If you make mistakes, especially blatant ones like mass accusations or using terrible arguments under the guise of generating discussion then you aren't much different than Scum trying to act like they are getting things done. If he has played in games before then this should be clear by now that doing this is not good for town. 3.) No one is too good to not lynch in this game. More so than Kavdragon, Incognito threw around accusations and even worse reasons. The vote for Killsos (omg kill sauce?!). @flamewheel: Being silly is no excuse for getting a free pass. Either way we've got more than enough "contributions" from enough people already. Asking any more people to contribute for now will just serve as clutter because honestly - nothing new is coming from anyone today. It's time we consolidate our votes on a few suspects, get the lynch off, and get the DT to check the list. Yo guys are wasting time with this senseless finger pointing. Incognito is the scummiest person so far. I like how he even told everyone to "go back and read the thread", while not even pointing out what in the thread is so important it requires a re-read. Pretty much just giving orders and no follow up in an effort to look active. Kavdragon is scummy too, but since some people like bumatlarge want to play daddy day care guess he can't be lynched yet. 'tis ok, I've got my gun though. I was suspicious of Ace from this post alone, because he trashed on rad's barundar suspect, which I felt was a decent deduction, he called incog, a person who I felt was town at the time, the scummiest, and he picked kav, someone I really didn't want to get get lynched, as numero 2. Looking back on it with my given knowledge, everything here is pro-town. Barundar WAS just knocking on people throwing suspicions around, rad incog and unfortunately kav WERE the mischief makers here, and Ace is not weaving any master plan that I can see. All of Ace's consecutive posts are him arguing these points. He isn't on kavdragon, he just merely brings him up along with incog and radfield about pointless FoS and useless accusations. He focuses on incog instead, which I too at the time had a change of heart about the matter. I was not sold on radfield at all. Kav's Ace analysis + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 14:00 Kavdragon wrote: Huh. I though that the day ended at [time]2100 PDT[time] That was an hour ago, right? We it looks like people have decided to lynch me so I'll expidite my analysis of Ace. You know what? Screw this. Vet's are overrated and I'm done giving them any sort of special consideration. My case for Ace Ace has done little to help the town, and done lots to hurt it. He's suggested scummy plans, and discouraged good ones. Town agrees that the less Kp is good for the town, Ace picks a KP role . Ace thinks like mafia better than anyone, so the time that he could be most useful to the town is durring the planning phase. Instead of contributing, he deconstructively bashes Gmarshal for his plan. Gmarshal's plan was PRO TOWN and a GOOD IDEA, but poor in the details. Allowing the mafia to take power roles is, and was a bad idea. Instead of helping him refine the plan, or suggesting something different, he says this: When Gmarshal takes the time to explain his reasoning, he ignores him, replying with This is an absolutely useless post for the town, and discouraging to a player who is posting opinions. Gmarshal clammed up after this, and stopped posting his ideas. What ace did was damaging to the town atmosphere. Later he posts this: I didn't say anything at the time because I figured it was just a vet with an attitude, but since then I've decided that I'm through with letting this sort of thing by. He finally comes in and agrees with something, but he contributes NOTHING at all to it. Wtf? Then he states that he's feeling lazy, and wants to relax this game? If he didn't want to play he shouldn't have signed up. This sort of attitude is anti-town, and shouldn't be allowed. After that he attacks the next thing that happens in the town: The fos's that Incog and myself started. Ace waltzes in and dismisses the behavior with one of his "I'm going to sleep" lines, and adds nothing to the discussion. He doesn't care to explain himself. He just pops in, says "lol" then leaves. This continues for some time where he makes no real contribution. He made this post talking about how I was look at things through "mafia goggles", Then he posts things like this, where he does the exact same thing to me: --------------And now I'm going to be lynched, so let me be brief.---------------------------- Ace continues to be furstratingly negative towards most activity, and starts waving a gun around. I feel like Ace is being useless, but at this point I don't think that he's mafia. I think that he just doesn't know how to play a good townie. I don't think that a mafia ace would have argued the way that he did with me, and I think that the whole gun thing was just a bluff (or not, doesn't really matter) that he used to pressure people. Maybe that was his way of getting information, but whatever. Please look at those people who said that they were uncomfortable lynching me, then voted for me anyways. (Hint: Gmarshal) I immediately find Kav's error: He doesn't read past Ace's personality. It's something you have to do when you know a player. He sees what he thinks is most important, most notably the condescending one-liners that Ace tends to give. Notice that when referencing the first GM sequence, all he takes from it is the snarky end response from Ace. You can argue that Ace's hard to read image is difficult, but it's more fun for me! I miss reading hard-to-read people like chez and bill murray, because there is always something. Instead I get people like GM and Dr.H who are about as straightforward as you can get. LOST TRAIN OF THOUGHT DERAILED CALL 911 On May 18 2011 14:10 Ace wrote: So you made a "case against Ace" followed with this: All you did was add an extra post to the game. Oh my bad, and also threw GM under the bus, even though in that same post you called his play pro-town. Conveniently you ignored the other people that voted for you. Once again, "seeing things that aren't there". You remind me of Leonardo DiCaprio in Shutter Island. In fact - you're no longer Kavdragon. You're Leonardo KavCaprio. Academy Award for best bull bullshit performance: KavCaprio Academy Award for best posing job as a Townie while being Scum: Incognito Academy Award for most awesome player of all time: Ace (unanimous votes) Academy Award for best portrayal of batman: Academy Award for best ways to shit up a thread and start random wagons: Radfield Ladies and Gentleman! The Teamliquid Awards winners! I think that summed it up pretty well, too bad I never saw shutter island. Ace isn't useless, you just have to squeeze his posts like a mango to get all the juicy details. Next up is from the little lady herself dreamboatflowerpot. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 23:21 dreamflower wrote: As I have been relatively quiet this game, I'm hoping to make up for it now by mustering my courage and actually building a case against someone that I've been suspicious about for much of the game: Ace. This seems especially timely now that people like bumatlarge are starting to believe he is pro-town. Kavdragon has already done a little of this here, though he ruined his own point by vacillating at the end and saying "I don't think he's Mafia." I, on the other hand, think Ace is most likely Mafia, after having reviewed his posts in the game for the tenth or so time. Besides, even if my case doesn't make much of an impact, I hope the simple act of sharing my thoughts about who is Mafia should help town in the long run, if only to give other scum-hunters more help in determining my alignment for themselves. As much as I can, I'm going to avoid evaluating Incognito's play so far and concentrate on Ace's responses to him, which I have found very telling. He has very loudly and noisily attacked Incognito for being scum and urged everyone to lynch him, but when pressed, his only reasoning was, "Incognito made some weird posts at the beginning of the game. He was the first one to point fingers at someone." This reasoning makes little sense to me, considering that, first of all, everyone in this game has made random posts at some point. Ace's own early-game posts are hardly masterpieces of insight and deep thinking themselves, with witticisms like "TLDR I fell asleep reading this," "I'm going to sleep now," "The shit is this?", and "Hey, look, I have a gun!" (Hehe, I just noticed that Ace also says, "I'm going to relax this game" early on and then later, "I don't know if you're on LSD or what, but not once did I suggest "sitting back and relaxing" this game.") If Ace were really serious about accusing people who have made weird posts this game, why hasn't he said anything about Chezinu? What about KillerSOS, whose contributions have been largely one-liners with little thought or substance that I can find? Or anyone else who has been lurking? While Chezinu does have a reputation for being off-the-wall, this isn't a PM-allowed game where he can justify his public inanity with private ingenuity. At this point, his cryptic posts are just cluttering up the game without contributing anything comprehensible to us readers. Yet, Ace doesn't even mention Chezinu, despite the fact that his confusing posts far outweigh Incognito's. Instead, Ace's insists on going after Incognito despite his own condemnnation of people who make accusations based off 1-5 posts. Second, while Incognito's posts started out puzzling and dubious, he's since given us a wealth of thoughts, player and role analysis, and ideas. While the merits of his vote-checking plan remain in doubt and his Kavdragon read turned out to be incorrect, Incognito has undeniably been active and thoughtful and has put a lot of effort into analyzing roles and the strategies that lets the town put them to use. However, Ace never actually addresses Incognito's more substantial recent posts or criticizees the points he makes about either vote lists or Kavdragon. He avoids saying anything definitive about anyone, aside from half-heartedly criticizing people voting for Barundar. At one point, he actually agrees with Incognito about Kavdragon being timid, then inexplicably switches his vote to Radfield amid the chaos before the lynch. As far as I could tell, Ace's entire reaction to Incognito's vote-list-arranging plan and accusation against Kavdragon was more of the same that he was already posting before: a big picture of Leonardo DiCaprio, with a cute nickname for Kavdragon and another unbacked claim of Incognito posting as town, without any further reasoning behind it. Speaking of Radfield, Ace has recently started attacking him without any reasoning either, as far as I can tell. Aside from calling him sketchy once, he hasn't given any reason for now attacking Incognito and Radfield with equally rabid fervor. I admit I think some of Radfield's priorities in his early "Town Pick" and "Town No-Pick" role lists were a bit skewed, but I haven't seen anything else from him that makes me suspicious. He too has put a lot of effort into trying to help guide and lead the town, analyze fellow players, and back up his assertions with good reasons. Yet, Ace is now claiming he is scum as well. Why is Ace picking on the two most active, hardworking, and analytical players in the game, who have both done their best to offer pro-town plans? Why hasn't he offered more than one-line analyses of either of them? For that matter, why has he rarely posted more than one or two lines at a time at all this entire game? If anyone would like specific examples of Ace's posts to support my points, please let me know and I will go find them and quote them. I don't like Ace's play at all this game, because he supplies so little reasoning to support his accusations of strong players while totally ignoring non-contributing players like Chezinu or KillerSOS. Either he is just being lazy and skating on his name and reputation, or he is Mafia trying to pick off well-known players. So, today, I will be voting for him to be lynched. Qatol doesn't know this, but she and I go way back, made a lot of memories. But that's besides the point. DF does it to a much lesser extent, but you can see again the little pit they fall into when analyzing people like Ace. Ace's own early-game posts are hardly masterpieces of insight and deep thinking themselves, with witticisms like "TLDR I fell asleep reading this," "I'm going to sleep now," "The shit is this?", and "Hey, look, I have a gun!" (Hehe, I just noticed that Ace also says, "I'm going to relax this game" early on and then later, "I don't know if you're on LSD or what, but not once did I suggest "sitting back and relaxing" this game.") If Ace were really serious about accusing people who have made weird posts this game, why hasn't he said anything about Chezinu? Right there we see it. You can't focus on this stuff. People haven't been analyzing chezinu, they are just taking what they can get from him outside of reading his posts. "Oh chez is getting nuke, oh look hes not nuked" would actually be a pretty reasonable summary of chez's effect on this game. Ironically, being caught as scum against Kav taught me you really can't take everything someone says into consideration. If someone gives a whole epic speech thoroughly detailing what our plan should be and ends it with "Oh and I picked caller GF because I felt like it", you are going to have to ignore the nice speech and just analyze that one part. It's necessary when you want to properly analyze scum, because while they may not flat out slip, they do give hiccups. Now I would love to go further into Ace's posting later in the game, but I'm pressed for time. Also incog, rather then calling Ace a masterful mafia player and referencing flawed analysis, you should build a proper one on him yourself as a last ditch effort as town. If you are town. Ace is town + Show Spoiler + Don't lie, you scrolled down to see the verdict without properly reading everything, and now you clicked this spoiler. Shame on you! Also, I would rolecheck deconduo, votelist check the incog list instead of the killerSOS one, as I think a nice fat "0 mafia" would be more useful to town. Hope this is all clear. | ||
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