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He advocates lynching Kurumi, defends Cthsazsa (who I think is mafia) and Chaoser, opposes Redtooth's rules, and tries to bring a little pressure on KillerSoS. I think scum would want to lynch Kurmi, defend Cthsazsa, and bring pressure on KillerSoS. Regarding his posts on Redtooth and Chaoser I'm not sure yet. All in all he is lurking a ton, which he did not do last game which he was blue. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 09:30 Mig wrote: Here are some of my thoughts about everything. The chaoser/redtooth long posts- I don't really have an opinion on whether the posts are scummy or not but a big part of why kavdragon was lynched last game for similar posts was because those were pretty much all he posted. He posted very little actual analysis and the analysis he did post wasn't very good. So as long as red/chaoser post some good analysis I don't think there is a problem with them trying to help out the newer players. AO/Irish/Karumi- I don't find AO that suspicious other than him saying chaoser was suspicious without giving any reasoning. Irish/karumi seem by far the most suspicious to me. Irish saying karumi had made a lot of great posts is either him defending a teammate or he hadn't actually read anything karumi had written. Almost every post of karumi's has had almost no content and has been confusing. I don't know why a townie trying to win would play like him, other than to try and get reactions out of people. But if that's the case I would like to see some more reasonable posts from him. His one analysis post was better but didn't actually have much analysis in it. Cthsazsa- I think the scum slip jackal is going on about is way overblown. It seems a lot more likely to just be a mistake than his attempt to run some mafia agenda of protecting lurkers, especially when hes being pretty active himself. I would be more suspicious of beneather who didn't post at all then instantly jumped on the supposed scum slip. Anyway I guess if I had to vote right now I would vote karumi but I will wait for more information to officially decide. On May 05 2011 09:57 Mig wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 09:50 VarpuliS wrote: Chaoser has been very pro-town in his posting across the board. Being super-vocal day 1 is a sure way to get killed night one. It's the players who haven't posted any real content that we have to worry about. I agree with varpulis here. And I would add I think it would be a pretty huge mistake to vote for chaoser on day1, unless we had some really damning evidence. He was one of the best players in the last TL mafia. It would be too big of a risk to potentially lose one of our best players unless we were very sure. On May 06 2011 05:12 Mig wrote: Redtooth- I think a lot of your arguments against chaoser are stretching it a bit. And your main argument defending kurumi and irish is they are so bad they couldn't possibly be mafia. You even ask when was the last time someone this obvious ended up being mafia. The answer to that is in the previous game. As GGQ mentioned Serjei was blatantly trolling with every one of his posts and he ended up being mafia. Obviously that doesn't prove that kurumi is mafia but you can't use that argument as your main defense for them. Kurumi- I disagree with most of your analysis of sandroba. Your main points against him seem to be you criticizing his asking people questions saying hes trying to bandwagon their analysis. But really its a good idea to ask people questions and have them make stands so you have posts which you can analyze yourself. I don't believe your story about trying to attract attention to yourself at all really. It just doesn't make any logical sense. You complain about people focusing on you instead of the vets who aren't posting. But of course people are not focusing on the lurkers after you drew so much attention to yourself. And you said you wanted to draw mafia out by having people vote for you on day2 right? So I don't really get why you said you made mistakes, it seems to me if this was really your goal then you just succeeded a day early. It just feels to me like you made this plan up to try and save yourself. So I am going to vote for kurumi, but if irish doesn't post before the deadline defending himself I would probably be ok with switching to him. I would rather not vote for red just yet because he is a vet and I am a little gun shy to lose potential assets to the town early on when our information is still limited. Conversion- The only thing I know for him is he played exactly like this (hardcore lurking) last game and he was town. On May 06 2011 05:52 Mig wrote: Red I understand it can be important to find townies but we have to lynch someone within the next few hours. So who are you going to vote for and why? On May 07 2011 02:39 Mig wrote: I think you are being ridiculous right now redtooth. If the town is being so impossibly bad how about taking some leadership and actually putting us in the right direction. I want you to look at this from my viewpoint for a second. On one hand I see kurumi who is obviously spamming and trolling with 90% of his posts. Who then comes up this ridiculous explanation that all his posting was a plan (I still think this was a lie, I think he just posted terribly at the start and then made up something to try and save himself). Then on the other side the absolute only argument defending him is you saying hes so bad he can't be mafia. Which in my limited experience isn't always going to be the case. Along with this after you defended irish/kurumi you don't make any argument for who people should lynch. You say killer is somewhat scummy but make no argument for him. You say chaoser is the most scummy but then claim you don't have time to make a case to get him lynched. So really with the information that I have who do you expect me to vote for? You accuse the town of sheeping onto kurumi, well maybe if you had made a case for someone else to be lynched you could have convinced the town to switch their votes. And I think your rules are a pretty bad idea. In an ideal world the rules sound like a great idea. But I think when you post this long 10 point list of rules and at the end you say if you don't follow these I am going to assume you are scum, the only thing you are going to do is discourage people from analyzing. If people have to go and follow 100 rules before they can post their thoughts most of them just won't bother. It's going to make it easier for scum to lurk, since less people will be actively contributing. On May 05 2011 09:39 Mig wrote: KillerSOS has posted like 30 times in the thread already without giving any strong opinions on pretty much anything. I would like to know who you think is scummy/town killer. | ||
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Splitting the vote between several people I agree does the town little good, but at the same time not doing so could just be sheeping, making it easier for mafia to blend in. I'm open to suggestions as to how to do this. | ||
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I wrote stuff about him here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216644¤tpage=48#941 He has been hesitant to make any stands, made very few posts trying to accomplish anything, and tries to add a little but not too much pressure on people who are in question (KillerSoS, myself, and Kurumi). | ||
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Mafia probably has one role blocker for a game of this size. I would like to hear from the vets if they agree with me on this. Would mafia really not use a role block on the first night and have GGQ claim it casually? Maybe they had no idea who else was blue besides KillerSoS and would rather have just killed him and try to give GGQ some town credit. Now that Chaoser has claimed, won't the mafia just keep role blocking him? | ||
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I'm not a big fan of the statistical analysis and using numerical values to determine one's scumminess. Maybe it's just because I hate math or maybe because I'm high on that list but certain things just don't seem to be a good indicator of how likely someone is to be mafia. Voting for town can just mean someone had a bad read, it happens to everyone. Changing a vote isn't scummy as long as the player provides a convincing reason for doing so. When they voted can just mean they wanted to see any developments that could happen before the day ends or they had other IRL things to do. I'm not sure where I stand on EternalMisfit. I think Sandroba is town and has gained a lot of town cred after the night. | ||
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I'm leaning toward EternalMisfit at this point. I'm going to vote now since I might not be back before the end of the day. I think what I'm going to do later is look at the first day of the game and see who was voting for who and who was defending who out out our suspicious people list. I want to look at the posts that weren't necessarily suspicious at the time but might be now. | ||
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On May 16 2011 16:03 DropBear wrote: Airblade, at no time have you responded to my arguments against you. You aren't really contributing anything at all. Why did you try so hard to tie Kurumi and Irish together? Why did you defend Jaminz and ilovejonn? Why did you advocate not using blue roles? Why did you post that everyone should analyse the people who voted for Kurumi and never do it yourself, only analysing Cthazsa who wasn't on the list? Why did you advocate splitting up the votes? Why did you attack Conversion? Why did you attack Mig? Why did you vote EternalMisfit? I don't remember trying really hard to tie Kurumi and Irish together. I just remember getting the feeling that they were tied together. Obviously I was wrong. I only recall stating that Jaminz was playing differently than last game we played with him because he was doing more analysis. I felt even if he was mafia it was good that he was more active than he was last game. I don't remember defending ilovejonn. At the time I said blues (vigilantes) should not use their roles because it was way too early to get a decent read on anyone to kill. Wasting a shot on a townie is worse than taking a small chance the vig will die at night. I did not feel compelled to do an analysis on people who voted for Kurumi. But I still say it would be a good idea. Splitting up votes helps hold people accountable for their actions and makes it wasier to weed out mafia who give poor reasoning for voting or just bandwagon. I don't think I ever attacked conversion, I only said he was being too aggressive. I thought Mig had a good chance of being mafia. I thought there was a good chance EternalMisfit was mafia. | ||
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Voted for jaminz Xedat chaos13 kitaman27 Mig - Dropbear did but changed his vote to me orgolove voted for ilovejonn Dropbear voted for me Dropbear I think has even a worse voting record than I do this game. Orgolove has been on ilovejonn for a long time so we should get one of them first. I'm still staying with orgolove for now. Then I would say kita is next based on how the votes are split up for being godfather since he is experienced. Dropbear might be the other goon who is hiding behind pressing people and long posts. He is a fairly new player but my Australian buddy is a fast learner and reads the old games as well as asks for coaching advice. | ||
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On May 14 2011 03:09 DropBear wrote: Come on man. If you are town defend yourself. Explain the reasoning behind your votes, behind your arguments. I don't think you are mafia anymore. Make a roleclaim, what role are you? On May 14 2011 03:15 DropBear wrote: Ok that's cool. What role are you? Vanilla Townie? Detective? Third Party Planar Dragon? Check your role PM from GMarshal. You can't post it in the thread but you can tell us what role you are. The way things are going you are almost certainly going to be lynched. Do you want to be lynched? I don't think you're mafia anymore man, even though I voted for you on Day 3. If you are town you owe it to everyone to defend yourself. Tell us why you voted the way you did. Tell us why you never defended yourself yesterday. Tell us why you said you'd post analysis on day 3 and never did. If you give a satisfactory explanation I will move heaven and earth to save you. ilovejonn gets town credit because of this (probably coached) attack post by sinani after there was a good chance he was getting lynched: On May 14 2011 13:42 sinani206 wrote: ilovejonn This is ilovejonn's list of votes: 1) kurumi 2) cthsaza 3) eternalmisfit 4) oroglove Hmm.... So far, 3 greens and a blue. Kurumi bandwagon day 1 and EternalMisfit bandwagon day 3, with no real explanations for either. He is also experienced, so he can't be forgiven for not explaining. Today, first he votes on my bandwagon, then after I defend myself and DropBear accepts the defense, he switches to himself, saying this: Why do you first roleclaim townie and then tell the town to lynch you for information? You want us to call a bluff, to believe that you are a Townie that will sacrifice himself for the town, and then leave you alive. But you aren't. You wanted us to leave you alone so that you could stay alive and the Mafia would keep their 2KP. Then, after Varpulis' post: You post this and switch back to oroglove: Because you realize that Varpulis is right, you switch to orgolove, to act more like a townie and act like you are trying to kill the scum. But you just use the same arguments against him that everyone else has. Another bandwagon. You realize that this is 3 band wagons you have joined, all without adding to the accusation? I know where my vote is going today. ##Vote: ilovejonn | ||
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