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On April 15 2011 09:08 Protactinium wrote: Please read my post. You're just ignoring logic and are building cases off of false assumptions. This is too fucking funny to pass up.
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On April 15 2011 09:16 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:14 Jackal58 wrote:On April 15 2011 09:08 Protactinium wrote: Please read my post. You're just ignoring logic and are building cases off of false assumptions. This is too fucking funny to pass up. You didn't read my post! If you don't want to read any of the rest, at least read that one. You'll agree that it makes sense. I did. I read it in it's entirety. I'm sorry. Call it what ever you want but I cannot read anything you say and go along with it. I won't go along with it. I feel like I'm compromising myself if I play your game. I won't do it.
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On April 15 2011 09:35 Protactinium wrote:Hold on. Watch GMarshal grudgingly vote Coagulation all the while complaining about the lynch. Take note of this. This is our Day 3 lynch target. If Coag flips red I'll bring the rope. Hopefully you won't be around to make me feel like a chump.
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On April 15 2011 09:42 Protactinium wrote: Seriously, its getting really obnoxious. Stop trying to keep discredit me. Its not working, get it? Even Mr. scum pardoner was forced to agree with me and vote his scumbuddy. We don't have to. You did that. Man why didn't you just play as Flamewheel and run for mayor without theatrics. You would have had my vote.
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On April 15 2011 09:45 Protactinium wrote: You guys seem to not be making the distinction for when I am talking in the hypothetical and when I am not. Please read it over carefully if you still don't get it. I get it. I really do. You want Coag lynched. It looks like you are going to get your wish. I just don't believe you. I think you are the one that doesn't get it. You lied. Period. It doesn't matter if you are assassin, dt or fucking santa claus. You lied. And it appears I'm not the only one that has a problem with that.
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On April 15 2011 09:47 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:44 Jackal58 wrote:On April 15 2011 09:42 Protactinium wrote: Seriously, its getting really obnoxious. Stop trying to keep discredit me. Its not working, get it? Even Mr. scum pardoner was forced to agree with me and vote his scumbuddy. We don't have to. You did that. Man why didn't you just play as Flamewheel and run for mayor without theatrics. You would have had my vote. Again, people keep missing the point. Why be boring and run for mayor normally when you can draw out all the mafia? Look. Everyone is making the false assumption that I was trying to win the mayor election at all costs. That is not true. I am trying to win this game. And even if that means taking the risk of losing the mayor election, look how far its gotten me? This game will be decided once Coagulation flips red. Do me a favor then. Present me with a list of your top 5 scum suspects sans Coag and GMarshall. Who have you outed with this gambit? If you are playing to "win" do it. I highly doubt you'll survive the night. So it's not like you are giving away any life or death information. I have no problems with running gambits. I enjoy doing it. And I know I'm going to piss people off in the process. But I don't do them knowing the final outcome is going to be me dying. If your gambit was to out all the mafia tell me who you outed.
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On April 15 2011 10:02 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:59 Jackal58 wrote:On April 15 2011 09:47 Protactinium wrote:On April 15 2011 09:44 Jackal58 wrote:On April 15 2011 09:42 Protactinium wrote: Seriously, its getting really obnoxious. Stop trying to keep discredit me. Its not working, get it? Even Mr. scum pardoner was forced to agree with me and vote his scumbuddy. We don't have to. You did that. Man why didn't you just play as Flamewheel and run for mayor without theatrics. You would have had my vote. Again, people keep missing the point. Why be boring and run for mayor normally when you can draw out all the mafia? Look. Everyone is making the false assumption that I was trying to win the mayor election at all costs. That is not true. I am trying to win this game. And even if that means taking the risk of losing the mayor election, look how far its gotten me? This game will be decided once Coagulation flips red. Do me a favor then. Present me with a list of your top 5 scum suspects sans Coag and GMarshall. Who have you outed with this gambit? If you are playing to "win" do it. I highly doubt you'll survive the night. So it's not like you are giving away any life or death information. I have no problems with running gambits. I enjoy doing it. And I know I'm going to piss people off in the process. But I don't do them knowing the final outcome is going to be me dying. If your gambit was to out all the mafia tell me who you outed. Like I told Rean earlier, I'll post that after the lynch. After this lynch ends, there is a whole 24 hours before night ends. Relax. It will come. No reason to post it all now when priority number 1 is making sure that mafia don't save Coag. I am relaxed. But I honestly wanted to know what you though before coag flips.
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On April 15 2011 10:27 Lemonwalrus wrote: Don't waste your votes on Protactinium, THEY are probably about to get modkilled. Explain please. I'm about to go to bed and this will give me nightmares.
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On April 15 2011 10:38 Lemonwalrus wrote: If that is cheating, please modkill them, if you believe I have cheated in revealing this, modkill me. Only Proact is in the game. Non issue.
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On April 15 2011 10:55 GMarshal wrote: I'm not letting the assassin win. Hang me if you must.
I ran on policy and principles. I will uphold those now.
FIGHT FOR THE TOWN! Don't pardon. Let coag die, it will green me and you, and red Flamewheel[/QUOTE]
I'm not willing to be reasonable about this.
I am sticking to my guns, if it means I die then so fucking be it.
See you in hell fw!
I do not lynch on the words of someone who is anti town I do not follow a liar I will not allow the town to do the same while it is in my power to prevent it.
This isn't about weather or not coag is scum, I dont give a damn if protac guessed right. This is about fighting for my principles
And I will be damned, to the pits of hell, if I go back on my principles. [/QUOTE] As soon as you pardon anybody you have forfeited all of your principles. The only thing any of us have when we get to the end of it all is our word. Did I keep it. If you pardon you did not. Don't tell me about your principles. That's my gimmick. Get your own. Oh, I'm sticking to mine. I expect you to do the same.
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On April 15 2011 11:16 GMarshal wrote: Because apparently I need to spell it out. These are principles that transcend this game. There are certain ways the town has to play to play well. There are reasons for LaL, and all my other policies, this isn't about the pardon being anti-town or not. This is about teaching you fools how town should play. If I have to die to prove the point that you are being stupid and playing badly then so be it.
At least I will have played like an absolute dumbass
Sometimes its about more than just winning. I fixed that for you. If you can't see that doing the one thing you said you would never do compromises your principles more than allowing town to be stupid you really are dense. Fucking Democrats.
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On April 15 2011 11:21 GMarshal wrote:No, the thought didn't even cross my mind. I am not stupid, there are reasons behind what I am doing
Jury is still out on that man.
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Wtf????? I knew I shouldn't have read this first thing. Hell I don't even know if we are still playing or not.
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On April 16 2011 01:00 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 17:55 chaoser wrote: Yeah, I don't think he needed to be reported. We should have ordered a code red. Let's try to take care of things in-house first, people, before bringing in an outside authority. Chain of Command yo. Exactly. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, please PM BrownBear, Meapak, or myself. If you are still unsatisfied after talking to us, then you can use your report button. But I would appreciate the opportunity to deal with things in house before we involve the TL staff. We have a report button??? Also is this game still on?
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I'll take that as a compliment.
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On April 16 2011 03:02 GGQ wrote: An update on GGQ's thoughts:
Be very careful about listening to flamewheel/protact anymore, on the off chance that he survives the night. The only reason his coagulation analysis was given any weight is because he was trying to convince us that he's a dt so he had to finger a red. He now knows that we all know he's an assassin, so if he's playing to his win condition then we can't trust any further analysis by him.
I think I now know why he was keeping his list of other suspects a secret until after the lynch: he wants to use them as a bargaining chip to gain protection. He's now going to say that he is pretty sure of all the mafia and he will tell us who they are if he survives until the morning. Wait for it.
I want to question the use of medics/watchers on the bodyguards. I don't want to offend anyone here, but The_Roist and MetalFace are hardly valuable players in and of themselves. And they are protecting DrH, whom I am still not 100% sure is town, and who has (imo) been making pretty bad calls for most of the game (and he's claimed vet, so he'd take two hits for mafia to kill anyway). I would rather see the survival of a few strong town players that have been doing well this game, like chaoser and bumatlarge (though his attempt to take all the credit for lynching GMarshal is insulting at best and suspicious at worst...) and, dare I say it, me. I think the best thing is to have our medics consider protecting the bodyguards (if mafia want to double stack to kill MetalFace or The_Roist, that's ok with me...) and watchers must be on the other players I named, or on other players that they have good town reads on (maybe Barundar or kitaman?). I see the mafia going for other town players, not the mayor tonight, imo. Contradiction much?????
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On April 16 2011 03:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:The death of the bodyguards is not a good thing. I think the best bet is for the watchers to stick on BG's to deter mafia from hitting them while medics protect bigger town targets. Particularly bumatlarge. You didn't really do much yesterday that I was aware of. You come out today just to criticize me and post thoughts on what blues to do, that hardly warrants medics imo. Yeah I made some bad calls but the flamewheel vs GGQ thing was complex and my plan involving forcing GGQ to use his check would have outed him/coagulation over the course of the night. I still think my analysis on LSB is good and lynching him would have flipped scum. I'm looking over my LSB analysis again and he could very well be assassin. His goal is more focused on hitting Protactinium than it is on saving Coagulation, but he does seem to be in agreeance with GMarshal. When he comes out to attack the pardon he does so very lightly but otherwise ignores GMarshal completely. That sets off a red alarm to me. I admit the kavdragon lynch was a shitty call. Although I don't really think I deserve a lot of criticism for the fact that I didn't hit red it was the fact that I ignored a better case because of my tunneling and that was poor decision making on my part. Regardless, GMarshal the scum pardoner is now dead, I undoubtedly had a role in that. And now hopefully a vig will hit coagulation and an assassin will hit LSB. One of the LSB/ilovejonn camp is certainly an assassin so I really suggest other assassins out there place a hit in that direction. This is the post that made me lean a bit toward black rather than red on LSB: The goal here is to confirm himself (appeals to GMarshal by saying it'll confirm him too) and get rid of Flamewheel. Entirely possible this is part of a plan to fake a vig on Coagulation to save him, but looking at Coag's recent posts it seems he's pretty much being abandoned. Assassin's you have 3 KP. I'm 50/50 scum/assassin read on this guy. You have a pretty good shot with this and if he flips red and not black, I'm certainly not complaining. Watchers/medics whether you care about the bodyguards or not is up to you but I hope we can all agree on those two points: -An assassin should hit LSB -Coagulation should be vig'd Do you mean GMarshall???
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I feel so alone Chaoser.
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Seems to me DocH is an assassin. Seems to be quite obsessed with pushing the assassin issue. I don't fucking care about assassins. If LSB is an assassin I hope he wins and gets teleported to Uranus. Wtf difference does it make to us? And you people accuse me of tunneling.
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