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/in
Awwwww, yeah!!!!
Speech from Bravetown
Wiggles: Sons of TeamLiquid, I am Wiggles the Bear.
Young Coag: Wiggles the Bear is 7 feet tall.
Wiggles: Yes, I've heard. Kills scum by the hundreds, and if he were here he'd consume the Reds with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse. I AM Wiggles the Bear. And I see a whole town of my countrymen here in defiance of the Mafia. You have come to scumhunt as active men, and active men you are. What would you do without activity? Will you scumhunt?
Veteran Poster: Scumhunt? Against them? No, we will lurk; and we will live.
Wiggles: Aye, scumhunt and you may die. Lurk and you'll live -- at least a while. And dying in the day post many cycles from now, would you be willing to trade all the cycles from this cycle to that for one chance, just one chance to come back here and tell the Mafia that they may take our lives, but they'll never take our activity!!!
Wiggles and Town: Alba gu bra! (Teamliquid forever!)
(Wins many awards)
Victory speech:
I'd like to thank the academy, my family, and Coagulation, he was my biggest inspiration.I think this film really speaks out about the issues plaguing TL mafia towns in games today. *Music Plays* Thank you all!
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There goes my 1000th post too, haha
/in item game
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Also,
/out item game,
decided against it
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Hopping in the stream!!! Forgot where I knew Ver's name from, haha!
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Yeah, that was pretty cool, GG Ver!!!
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On March 16 2011 07:09 Ver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 12:34 LSB wrote:On March 15 2011 04:58 Ver wrote:Thanks for the support everyone! I do have some goodies for you all coming soon! You were awesome! Ver Hawiting! Btw, thinking of NASL? Yup I applied. We'll see what happens.
That's pretty cool, haha, you'll be one of the few Terrans I don't see as the bad guy :p
Have you played/placed in many other tournaments?
Planning on playing in the NASL qualifier if you don't get invited?
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On March 19 2011 10:02 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 05:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 19 2011 03:44 Lemonwalrus wrote: hai cob
Why aren't you playing in this one? He's currently banned iirc Which is irrelevant for a game that isn't following the ban list.......
This man speaks the truth.
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Full! Let's get this started, I wanna destroy some scum and get revenge for Death Factory...
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On March 23 2011 23:44 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 14:38 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Full! Let's get this started, I wanna destroy some scum and get revenge for Death Factory... Watch im going to get scumteam with you and annul and youll be like RAAAAGE and Annul will be shit im scum again and ill be like lolz.
Nah, I'd just subtly bus you both to fulfill my super-secret condition for becoming a bullet-proof SK with five votes, then win all the immunity challenges and kill off everyone else. It's the perfect plan!
Also, so on night zero we get alignment, but not abilities, which we are told start of Day 1, correct?
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If I am elected mayor, I promise to cut taxes while increasing public spending. I also propose a system of complete transparency except where this may interfere with National Security*. In addition to Top Hats, I will also promise you monocles, canes, fine suits, cigars, and alcohol of your choosing. Also, everyone gets cake and kittens. Any questions, or should I walk into my office?
+ Show Spoiler +* Decided at mayor's discretion
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Yes, yes they will, as well as monocles, but they will not smoke or drink. I invite everyone interested to come discuss it in my drawing room after tea. I may be slightly late however, as I have a meeting with the governor and a representative from the Sutton company. Until then, cheers.
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On March 24 2011 07:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Let's just start the game now since most people are here and active
+1, Let there be kittens in tophats!
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I do declare, that the party has indeed begun, let's have no more ambivalence about it! Right-to, best foot forward, and all that talk! Hurrah!
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I don't want to die.
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On March 24 2011 08:09 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 08:04 Kavdragon wrote: -_-
Anyone who doesn't keep up the level of activity that they have shown pre-game will receive my wrath. Also, whoever said that this wouldn't reach the amount of pre-game spam as RoL's game? I'm pretty sure this just blew that record out of office.
I will announce my possible campaign upon receiving my role PM. I SENSE AN EDIT! SCUMTELL SCUMTELL SCUMTELL! And I'm on spring break at the moment, but I go back to school on monday so I anticipate my activity dropping off then. So if the game lasts that long, thats why I'm not posting as much.
As the soon to be mayor, I grant Kav a pardon for his actions, as they were in support of my beautiful and well thought out campaign. You can't blame the chap, I am terribly convincing.
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On March 24 2011 09:18 iGrok wrote: Me and Kavdragon are swapping houses. Wanna fight about it?
Do you, Sir, seriously wish to engage in a bout of fisticuffs? If so, have at you!
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Young whelp, I will readily handle you and send you crying to your mother. Do not think you can stand up to my manliness, wit, and charm, cur.
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IT'S A TRAP!!!!
Only one more person can post or we have to wait another day!
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What do you mean "hacking" IRCs and Quicktopics?
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So, something I want to ask candidates at the moment, is how will you act specifically in your role as the mayor? I'm not talking about your play style, or pro-town things you can do anyways, but what abilities do you possess that we should elect you and give you the power and survivability of the mayor?
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Yeah, if a vet is doing theorizing, and gets killed, the thought process goes like this:
Was his theory correct, and mafia killed him because he was dangerous? Or maybe his theory was wrong and mafia just want us to think it's right Or maybe it's right, and mafia want us to think they want us to think it's wrong...
Into infinity.
Normally scum will kill vet players because they do become dangerous to them and have strong analysis skills. Being killed doesn't validate your analysis though, you have to take it on its own merit. That's a problem a lot of TL towns have is sheeping to stronger players' analysis, but I think this mostly stems from a lack of analysis from the majority of town, causing a reliance on the efforts of these few.
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Mr. Wiggles' Mayoral Candidate Round-up!
tnkted + Show Spoiler +On March 24 2011 11:04 tnkted wrote: night 0 will end at this time tomorrow right?
Anyway, i'd like to reiterate my plan i said before: Basically, we elect me and i promise to let the first lynch be a vote. That way, if I'm secretly scum or something I don't get a free kill, and we won't accidently elect somebody who IS scum.
Or we can elect somebody else. Its not a big deal. I promise if elected to keep my nose clean though!
Jackal58 + Show Spoiler +On March 24 2011 11:06 Jackal58 wrote: Jackal58 for mayor. If I am mayor I will not hold an election for 1st lynch. I will listen to all inputs and arguments but ultimately I will lynch who I believe to be scum. A mayor that goes with a vote is a scum candidate. Scum knows day 1 is a crap shoot. Scum knows they can manipulate a vote to town. Vote me for mayor. I'm town. I'm down.
Is there going to be a separate voting thread for?
GMarshal + Show Spoiler +On March 24 2011 11:09 GMarshal wrote:GMarshals Mayor CampaignWhy you should vote GM: 1.) I am one of the better players at analyzing and breaking setups, I can demonstrably come up with working plans that benefit town on the spur of the moment, this however requires me to be alive when the information becomes available, which being the mayor would help me achieve 2.) I’ll leave the day 1 lynch in the hands of the town, I will not be like some other candidates who are going to lynch a specific player based on a grudge or “policy”, it will be whatever I feel the majority of people want, within reason, if I don’t think they are scum then I will not kill them, in the end I suspect it will probably be a lurker unless someone comes off as particularly scummy 3.) I hate inactive and lurkers and will pursue them with fiery vengeance, that’s right whether I’m mayor or not I’m going to squelch those who don’t contribute to the town, I refuse to go to lylo with a bunch of people who barely posted again, obviously if I’m the mayor then I’ll have a better shot at doing so 4.) I talk, a lot, I may not always be the best poster, but I am certainly one of the most prolific, if I am scum or third party I’ll leave a huge trail you can use to lynch me, if I’m not then my towniness will make itself manifest 5.) I don’t lie, ever, I may perform gambits, but I don’t lie (with the exception of about my role, I do reserve the right to tell blatant untruths about that), and I endorse the LaL policy, in fact if I am mayor I’ll make sure we follow it as much as possible 6.) I’m kicking my scum analyzing skills into full gear, after rereading XXXVII I’m confident that I can identify scum (or at least identify town) 7.) This is my redemption game, I’m in it to kick the mafia’s ass as payback for duping me in XXXVII, and by god I’ll do it, being a mayor would help with this. I won’t promise you victory, but I promise you I’ll do my damndest to slaughter the scum. 8.) I’m GMarshal, why wouldn’t you vote for me? These dogs dressed as bananas endorse my campaign Vote GMarshal for Vengeance and the slaughter of those who would oppose the good of the town !!
annul + Show Spoiler +On March 24 2011 11:31 annul wrote: hi, elect me for mayor
i am a townie with no abilities apparently (???), so give me something to do pl0x.
Kavdragon + Show Spoiler +On March 24 2011 12:11 Kavdragon wrote:Dear Liquidia Four score and seven minutes ago our hosts brought forth in this fourm a new thread conceived in awesomeness and dedicated to the proposition that all men should post a lot. Now we are engaged in a great Mafia game testing whether this thread, or any thread so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great postingfield in honor of previous games. We have come to dedicate a portion of this thread as a final resting-place for those who here were active that that thier game might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, posting and dead, who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The TL Mafia forum will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this thread under Node and LSB shall have a new birth of activity, and that my mayorship of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the thread. Now we must move onward, with the memory of these invaluable players emrasened in out minds. But who will lead us to that play that glorious and active game? I humbly submit myself to the public office, willing to server the thread, of the actives, by the actives, and for the actives. Under my leadership, the attacks of the enemy will be rebuffed, the confusion sown by the mafia will be scilence! Inactivity banished, and analysis rewarded! I stand for a town, united in activity and lynches for all scum! So come to my banner fellow Liquidians, let us run a race that will likely be quickly forgotten! Vote for activity! Vote for Scumhunting! Vote for Victory! Vote for KAV! Be convinced, if not by my words, then by the words of those who came before me. If not by words than by the pictured I created for the occasion. If not by pictures, then by the epic music I wrote! + Show Spoiler [Text Endorsments] +From my last game: (I was mayor) On February 11 2011 10:49 Jackal58 wrote: My life for you Kav. On February 11 2011 11:46 GMarshal wrote: I vote Kav for MVP this game On February 11 2011 11:49 LSB wrote:
Mr. Wiggles... Soooo imba
Kav too. On February 11 2011 11:51 OriginalName wrote: Kav MVP On February 11 2011 14:15 bumatlarge wrote: Kav was the MVP by far. No one on town came close, and without him, we would still be in the game, everyone would have though me a DT still and I think it would be lylo. On February 11 2011 15:59 Barundar wrote: Town MVP: KavDragon. Ballsy to run mayor as medic! + Show Spoiler [Pictoral Endorsmants] ++ Show Spoiler [Music] +Vote for Victory. Vote for Kav.
chaoser + Show Spoiler +On March 24 2011 12:32 chaoser wrote:You know what, fuck it, I'll run for mayor too. Reasons why? One reason: 1) I have some sort of vision while others don't really: Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 12:05 chaoser wrote:Also, as an aside from the mayor issue, I think our day 1 focus should be on the Item Game. 1. Coagulation 2. darmousseh 3. Jackal58 4. annul 5. Tackster 6. Lemonwalrus
There are currently 4/4 Townies remaining. There is currently 1/1 Mafia remaining. There is currently 1/1 Third Party remaining. If we lynch both mafia and black we pretty much have a cleared list of four townies. Also by lynching red or black we can help town have better chances at winning the game and giving us all the items. Bum's plan also intrigues me and if a blue claims and runs I will immediately step down from running. This will be, of course, after I consider it some more to see if there are any glaring flaws in it. I'm willing to compromise in terms of the voting/not voting for day 1 lynch. I'll go along with the town but also make my own analysis as well. If I believe town to be voting to lynch someone who is 80% not mafia in my eyes I will tell town and take a stand if I have to. Aside from that, I will be a mere civil servant, at the mercy of the people. I don't have flashy pictures or heart swelling music, but I do believe beer should be cold, boots should be dusty. I think 9/11 was bad and freedom? Well, I think that's just a little bit better.
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On March 24 2011 13:04 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 13:02 tnkted wrote:On March 24 2011 13:01 chaoser wrote:Chaoser seems like a solid candidate. He has felt town to me all game, with solid contributions, but his plan for his lynch seems like it is precicely what a mafia would say; they're willing to go with the town (ie, let the other mafia members make a big fuss about who to kill), while also maintaining his ability to kill anyone he wants (if the mafia members can't convince people). If we elect chaoser, i'll be watching very closely to see who pushes for who to be lynched. Yeah I realized compromising isn't a good idea at all which is why I wrote: On March 24 2011 12:53 chaoser wrote: Another reason against not voting day 1 is that it doesn't leave a definite paper trail for town to analysis. With votes we can see where people fell but if it just comes down to you picking to lynch someone then the trail is a bit more iffy. I will follow town's vote. so.... we have precisely the same platform then? lol. I guess, but Kav also is onboard with the letting town vote thing too so it's pretty much voting v. no voting. At this point I want to see how this bum/blue situation plays out. I'm going to think long and hard about if it has a big flaw in it or not.
I think the nuances will come in what you say you can offer town in terms of skills and experience. That's just one facet of the mayorship. For example, how will you use your position as an influential member of town to change the course of the game?
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On March 24 2011 13:08 Kenpachi wrote: wtf you guys forgot about my campaign
I just ctrl+f'ed mayor and tried to find them. I also only used ones from after the start of the game. Are you still running? :p
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Ok, so here's my thoughts on the mayorship:
For me, this is really between Kav and bum.
At the moment, I'm trying to figure out how much I want to trust bum's blue claim. So far, he is uncontested, which possibly bodes well for him being a true blue. However, as others have stated, and I've been considering, there is still the possibility of his being scum, even with no counterclaim. It really comes down to the likelihood of Blues wanting to make a 1-1 trade so early in the game, and before roles have even been given. I am assuming, since everyone will have a power, that blues will be much stronger than greens. There is also a disparity between the number of powerful town roles (Blues) and scum in this game, and while I personally feel analysis is a far stronger tool, most of the TL towns I've been in have been reverent of Blue's power, often to the point of reliance (Eg: XXXV). So just applying metagame, it seems unusual a blue would be willing to put himself out there so quickly and prominently.
I see this either as a power move by the blues (as most people are assuming), or as a cunning play by scum. A lot of my suspicion comes from timing. Bum claimed before night 0 is over, and I would have trusted it a lot more if it was on Day 1, as he would have his role already. For example, bum could be scum, but conceivably a blue wouldn't bother to contest him until they get their roles, so they can use the weakest combination of role/player on their team to out him, which makes it harder for them, considering the amount of time bum has been uncontested, which can also be used for a WIFOM argument from him.
Kav on the other hand, has no real assurances that he is not scum. So far, his posting has seemed pro-town, but he hasn't really expounded on any of his views besides that he wants to stay alive to analyze and direct the town. I've had first-hand experience with him as mayor, working closely with him in XXXVI, so I know that he is a very capable and active player. Before I'd vote for him though, I'd need to hear more about what he'd do Day 1 lynch, and what other things he'd try to do with his longevity.
So, in short, I feel both Bum and Kav would make good mayors. Kav based on personal experience with him, and Bum on the condition of being blue. I'm still trying to evaluate the likelihood of a Night 0 blue claim though, because I really don't like the timing, and would like to see if there are counterclaims Day 1. Hopefully if Bum isn't blue, someone would eventually counterclaim, because blues wouldn't want to let scum become mayor. I also don't think the lack of Night 0 counterclaims really strengthens his claim in any way, because as I've said, blues probably wouldn't counterclaim until Day 1 anyways, when they can make a much better choice of counterclaiming player.
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So I'm going to reserve final judgment until roles have been sent out, and more time has passed.
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On March 25 2011 06:01 Lanaia wrote: What I'm wondering is what if bum isn't blue and blue isn't around/isn't paying enough attention to cc him. Is that possible? For example, there are still some people who are inactive and that guy who is banned.
I'm not sure about that. That would mean 4 players, all blue, are all inactive. Like I said, I really wouldn't expect a counterclaim until day 1 at least. Let's say, there are 4 blues, and these are their roles and skills:
Blue #1: 3 shot day/night vig Blue #2: Veteran Blue #3: Medic Blue #4: Mad Hatter
So, barring any huge discrepancies in scum hunting ability, the Blues would be likely to send out the Veteran before the other players, but if they sent out a player to counterclaim before Day 1, there is a high likelihood they'd send out one of their players with a stronger, more useful ability. It would be reckless.
Also, Darmo's unbanned now.
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On March 25 2011 06:10 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 06:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 25 2011 06:01 Lanaia wrote: What I'm wondering is what if bum isn't blue and blue isn't around/isn't paying enough attention to cc him. Is that possible? For example, there are still some people who are inactive and that guy who is banned. I'm not sure about that. That would mean 4 players, all blue, are all inactive. Like I said, I really wouldn't expect a counterclaim until day 1 at least. Let's say, there are 4 blues, and these are their roles and skills: Blue #1: 3 shot day/night vig Blue #2: Veteran Blue #3: Medic Blue #4: Mad Hatter So, barring any huge discrepancies in scum hunting ability, the Blues would be likely to send out the Veteran before the other players, but if they sent out a player to counterclaim before Day 1, there is a high likelihood they'd send out one of their players with a stronger, more useful ability. It would be reckless. Also, Darmo's unbanned now. Doesn't this go both ways though? If red/black intends to CC, they'd wait until day 1 so they don't need to risk sending out their most powerful member.
I guess it would work both ways, but I still think Blues would like to wait until Day 1. Keep in mind, everyone has roles in this set-up, and scum has extra abilities too, like KP and bulletproof-ness, so Blue roles are likely to be very powerful in comparison to town and possibly scum roles too. I'm still standing by what I said, I'm not going to trust Bum's claim until roles have gone out and more time has passed. If we approach the end of day 1, and no one has counterclaimed, he is most likely Blue, but I'm not going to trust him more simply for being uncontested night 0, when there is a huge lack of information.
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On March 25 2011 06:37 Tackster wrote: @Bum now you're saying that instead of giving RoL the lynch you're giving us the lynch??
The whole point of you being elected was a clear role that wouldn't by swayed by mafia. When you decide to lynch take your own scumhunting abilities into account and try not to let mafia influence you too much when you read the posts on who to lynch.
DONT leave the lynch up to a town vote.... Then we're trading any point of you being clear with the mafia's ability to influence town.
Just say you're gonna take our votes into account but make your own decision and reserve the right to shoot who you want. It's the pro-town thing to do!
I agree, that whether or not the lynch is decided by town vote, the mayor should make it appear that way. What I'm saying, is that mayor should make everyone in the town vote, and then decide if he wants to use that result or not. This way, maybe scum sways the vote, but mayor can still veto it, and we still get a lot of information based on people actually having to vote and contribute.
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Yeah, I saw that as a joke, if he was seriously just going to let someone else decide the lynch for him, he probably wouldn't be getting my vote.
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On March 25 2011 07:29 bumatlarge wrote: I wouldn't really call something I do on purpose a "slip"
Depends on when you were planning on claiming. After your first few posts about the mayorship, it was obvious you were blue before you even mentioned: "Hey guys, I'm blue".
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On March 25 2011 07:27 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 07:26 chaoser wrote:1. my policy is "any item game player is better than current slate of candidates." given that, of course i am going to try to get the mayorship. my policy for determining lynch? kill who i think is black. @annul Why only say kill who you think is black and not who you think is red or black because black players can only die in the daytime, so in the item game, i want to take a swing at someone when i control the kill, so the town doesnt get misled and start voting to lynch people not in item game
So why not aim for reds either? It shouldn't make a difference to kill red/black if all you want to do is get people looking at the item game players. You would only worry about hitting blacks more than reds if you were expecting KP to kill the red, which could only come from a black, or vigi-shot. If you killed the black, they have no reason to really kill players in the item game, outside of if they wanted to help mafia/town. So this is either bad logic, or a mafia-slip.
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On March 25 2011 07:32 annul wrote: "obvious you were blue"
or
"obvious you set yourself up to appear as if you were blue"
he may or may not be blue. do not assume he automagically is.
Well I mean obvious he was blue if he really is blue, and isn't just faking blue. He made it look like he was blue, and now that you mention it, hints like that could be either slipping, or scum looking for a follow-up. I'm still waiting on Day 1 counterclaims though.
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On March 25 2011 07:59 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 25 2011 07:27 annul wrote:On March 25 2011 07:26 chaoser wrote:1. my policy is "any item game player is better than current slate of candidates." given that, of course i am going to try to get the mayorship. my policy for determining lynch? kill who i think is black. @annul Why only say kill who you think is black and not who you think is red or black because black players can only die in the daytime, so in the item game, i want to take a swing at someone when i control the kill, so the town doesnt get misled and start voting to lynch people not in item game So why not aim for reds either? It shouldn't make a difference to kill red/black if all you want to do is get people looking at the item game players. You would only worry about hitting blacks more than reds if you were expecting KP to kill the red, which could only come from a black, or vigi-shot. If you killed the black, they have no reason to really kill players in the item game, outside of if they wanted to help mafia/town. So this is either bad logic, or a mafia-slip. are you retarded? the ONLY WAY we win the item game is to use a DAY kill (mayor kill or normal lynch) on the black player in item game (assuming no nonstandard abilities). therefore, of course i am going to try to find the black player in item game if i am elected mayor.
There are currently 4/4 Townies remaining. There is currently 1/1 Mafia remaining. There is currently 1/1 Third Party remaining.
No need to resort to personal attacks, maybe this is just another case of you failing to read the OP. If you hadn't noticed, but in addition to one third party player, there is also One Mafia in the item game as well. So, it seems like a huge slip, when you say you want to try to kill the black player, and make no mention of the red player also playing in the item game. The ONLY WAY (As town) to win the item game, is to use a DAY kill, to kill BOTH the red and black player, (barring vigi's if they even exist). From my point of view, that looked like you're red, and you screwed up only mentioning gunning for the black player, who if you were red, would be immune to NK, and thus a huge threat.
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On March 25 2011 08:13 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 08:10 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 25 2011 07:59 annul wrote:On March 25 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 25 2011 07:27 annul wrote:On March 25 2011 07:26 chaoser wrote:1. my policy is "any item game player is better than current slate of candidates." given that, of course i am going to try to get the mayorship. my policy for determining lynch? kill who i think is black. @annul Why only say kill who you think is black and not who you think is red or black because black players can only die in the daytime, so in the item game, i want to take a swing at someone when i control the kill, so the town doesnt get misled and start voting to lynch people not in item game So why not aim for reds either? It shouldn't make a difference to kill red/black if all you want to do is get people looking at the item game players. You would only worry about hitting blacks more than reds if you were expecting KP to kill the red, which could only come from a black, or vigi-shot. If you killed the black, they have no reason to really kill players in the item game, outside of if they wanted to help mafia/town. So this is either bad logic, or a mafia-slip. are you retarded? the ONLY WAY we win the item game is to use a DAY kill (mayor kill or normal lynch) on the black player in item game (assuming no nonstandard abilities). therefore, of course i am going to try to find the black player in item game if i am elected mayor. There are currently 4/4 Townies remaining. There is currently 1/1 Mafia remaining. There is currently 1/1 Third Party remaining. No need to resort to personal attacks, maybe this is just another case of you failing to read the OP. If you hadn't noticed, but in addition to one third party player, there is also One Mafia in the item game as well. So, it seems like a huge slip, when you say you want to try to kill the black player, and make no mention of the red player also playing in the item game. The ONLY WAY (As town) to win the item game, is to use a DAY kill, to kill BOTH the red and black player, (barring vigi's if they even exist). From my point of view, that looked like you're red, and you screwed up only mentioning gunning for the black player, who if you were red, would be immune to NK, and thus a huge threat. "The ONLY WAY (As town) to win the item game, is to use a DAY kill, to kill BOTH the red and black player, (barring vigi's if they even exist)." this is false. black can night kill the red in item game. it seems you do not actually run all permutations before you speak.
I already considered this:
If you killed the black, they have no reason to really kill players in the item game, outside of if they wanted to help mafia/town.
By going for the blacks, you remove any vested interest they have in the item game. So what you are saying is you want to go for the black player, singled out from the two scum present, so that then the black team will try to snipe the mafia in the game? That doesn't make any sense at all, and you still haven't explained why you don't mention killing the red who is present in the item game as well, whom you were indeed aware of. So unless you want to rely on the third party killing the red after you remove any interest they have in the item game, what you say is illogical, or a slip.
Town would be worried about killing the scum present in the game, mafia would be worried about killing the black first, who is immune to night kills, especially if they got a free attempt at a snipe like you would if you're elected mayor, killing the rest of the greens would be easy from there.
So why are you so worried about the black, but not the red?
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 25 2011 08:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 08:13 annul wrote:On March 25 2011 08:10 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 25 2011 07:59 annul wrote:On March 25 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 25 2011 07:27 annul wrote:On March 25 2011 07:26 chaoser wrote:1. my policy is "any item game player is better than current slate of candidates." given that, of course i am going to try to get the mayorship. my policy for determining lynch? kill who i think is black. @annul Why only say kill who you think is black and not who you think is red or black because black players can only die in the daytime, so in the item game, i want to take a swing at someone when i control the kill, so the town doesnt get misled and start voting to lynch people not in item game So why not aim for reds either? It shouldn't make a difference to kill red/black if all you want to do is get people looking at the item game players. You would only worry about hitting blacks more than reds if you were expecting KP to kill the red, which could only come from a black, or vigi-shot. If you killed the black, they have no reason to really kill players in the item game, outside of if they wanted to help mafia/town. So this is either bad logic, or a mafia-slip. are you retarded? the ONLY WAY we win the item game is to use a DAY kill (mayor kill or normal lynch) on the black player in item game (assuming no nonstandard abilities). therefore, of course i am going to try to find the black player in item game if i am elected mayor. There are currently 4/4 Townies remaining. There is currently 1/1 Mafia remaining. There is currently 1/1 Third Party remaining. No need to resort to personal attacks, maybe this is just another case of you failing to read the OP. If you hadn't noticed, but in addition to one third party player, there is also One Mafia in the item game as well. So, it seems like a huge slip, when you say you want to try to kill the black player, and make no mention of the red player also playing in the item game. The ONLY WAY (As town) to win the item game, is to use a DAY kill, to kill BOTH the red and black player, (barring vigi's if they even exist). From my point of view, that looked like you're red, and you screwed up only mentioning gunning for the black player, who if you were red, would be immune to NK, and thus a huge threat. "The ONLY WAY (As town) to win the item game, is to use a DAY kill, to kill BOTH the red and black player, (barring vigi's if they even exist)." this is false. black can night kill the red in item game. it seems you do not actually run all permutations before you speak. I already considered this: Show nested quote +If you killed the black, they have no reason to really kill players in the item game, outside of if they wanted to help mafia/town. By going for the blacks, you remove any vested interest they have in the item game. So what you are saying is you want to go for the black player, singled out from the two scum present, so that then the black team will try to snipe the mafia in the game? That doesn't make any sense at all, and you still haven't explained why you don't mention killing the red who is present in the item game as well, whom you were indeed aware of. So unless you want to rely on the third party killing the red after you remove any interest they have in the item game, what you say is illogical, or a slip. Town would be worried about killing the scum present in the game, mafia would be worried about killing the black first, who is immune to night kills, especially if they got a free attempt at a snipe like you would if you're elected mayor, killing the rest of the greens would be easy from there. So why are you so worried about the black, but not the red?
On March 25 2011 08:31 annul wrote: "By going for the blacks, you remove any vested interest they have in the item game. So what you are saying is you want to go for the black player, singled out from the two scum present, so that then the black team will try to snipe the mafia in the game?"
this is true. HOWEVER, if that happens, consider this:
town, town, town, mayor town, red.
what is the red going to do? red is now DISINCENTIVIZED to kill item game town at night. there will come a time when it is mayor town vs red. then the red cant actually do anything about it. oh hey we fingered the red, hes dead, we win item game. the red is going to have an incentive to leave the town alone, forcing town to implode and their only chance is to try to get town to lynch the mayor OR buy more time so the reds can take out the bodyguards. in either scenario, it puts the ball back in our court instead of the instant win on day 5 that black has now without item game town mayorship
"So why are you so worried about the black, but not the red?"
read above.
"and you still haven't explained why you don't mention killing the red who is present in the item game as well"
am i seriously just not communicating well enough, or does he have reading problems? like honestly, who else does not understand what i am talking about? even if you disagree with the logic, at least everyone else understands my argument, right?
Ok, so my point still stands. You either have terrible logic, or you slipped. The exact same scenario happens if you kill the red day 1, too. In that scenario, it will just end up being: Mayor Town vs. Black, same results. Blacks are only bullet-proof, not lynch-proof, and the only people capable of killing reds outside of lynches are power town roles. I'm saying there's no difference between going after either scum party in the item game, after you said you wanted to specifically target blacks. Black only has an auto-win in the item game if you never lynch them, so do some analysis after, and hang them before they get to the end. Red is also a danger in the item game, I'd say even more so than the blacks because of their higher KP. I never mentioned anywhere about the different mayors possible in the item game, just your insistence on the blacks without any convincing reasoning.
I'm leaning to saying you are Red. If you were a green player in the item game, you would be worried about lynching anti-town forces in the item game, not just blacks. You wouldn't be worried about black's bulletproof-ness either, because you can't rely on killing powers, you'd have to rely on lynches. If you were red however, you'd love to get the mayorship, so that you could be immune from getting killed by the blacks. You'd also love to have day 1 snipe against the blacks. And lastly, you'd have an easier time lynching the black in the game than he would have of lynching you. Your reactions aren't helping.
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I think it says in OP blacks have 1 KP.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 25 2011 09:20 LSB wrote:It would be hilarious if you guys killed the all page before Day 1 even starts Is that a challenge? :p
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On March 25 2011 09:53 Tackster wrote: i KNOW i shouldn't go on but i think we may be close to a breakthrough here...
Annul: Why isn't he confirmed? Give me a situation in which he isn't blue when:
There are no ccs The blue players aren't afk
Just answer that question PLEASE
Stop answering it by telling me he IS blue and he is NOT confirmed and he COULD be blue.
Just tell me the situation in which he isn't blue given the constraints we're assuming
If blues are waiting until they get their roles to claim, so they don't counterclaim and accidentally reveal their player who becomes mass medic day/night vig and DT all at once, or something like that. :p
Like I said, I'm not considering Bum as mayor until some time has actually passed where people have their roles. Then I'll consider his blue claim more legitimate.
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On March 25 2011 09:57 Tackster wrote: OH MY GOD...
Can't have 4 blue hatters cos blues don't have KP.... Check the OP AGAIN
And ONCE AGAIN:
You haven't answered my question
I asked explain how he isnt confirmed blue without ccs
AGAIN you implied he IS blue
I don't think you've played here before, but on TL mafia, roles like hatter, vig, don't count as "KP". KP here is nightly kills a team or player, usually scum/sk, get to use nightly. Killing abilities are not included in this KP number.
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On March 25 2011 09:59 Tackster wrote: wiggles that defies my constraint that there arent any ccs...
there are ccs in that scenario - we just dont have them yet...
You were asking why he isn't confirmed, not why he won't be confirmed in the future. Right now, he's unconfirmed, and in my mind, his confirmation is 0% until blues actually get some roles. If he's still uncontested, then I'll consider him probably blue and a good mayor candidate.
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On March 25 2011 10:02 GMarshal wrote:@ wiggles Show nested quote + Blue Police Force - This is the pro town mason circle. In a world full of reds and blacks, the greens need some help, and help comes in the form of the big guns. Of course, the police can’t actually kill people, but they have their own way of helping.
To me this means NO kills, no hatters, no vigs, etc.
Oh, my bad, didn't see that, thought he was referencing where it gives KP totals at the bottom.
But also:
help comes in the form of the big guns
Maybe we're wrong, guess we'll see how he helps :p
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On March 25 2011 11:12 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 11:07 Jackal58 wrote:I understand it's Insane Mafia LSB but wtf am I supposed to do with an ostrich feather and a dung beetle. Be creative, design a super cannon out of it
Channel your inner MacGyver!
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BY THE POWER OF POSTS BE SLAIN!!! ARGHGHGHGHHH!!!!!!!!
Be back tomorrow guys, waiting to see if there's a blue claim or not, then we can get down to other business like scumhunting and lynches :3
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On March 26 2011 01:46 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 01:11 Jackal58 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 25 2011 23:32 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 19:42 CubEdIn wrote: While I do agree that there are a few players who look scummy, I would also suggest we put some hard pressure on the lurkers. Especially those who are also in the item game.
I mean, yes, annul seemed very anti-town so far, and I would also get rid of such players, but he was trying to make his case and at least we have a lot of pages of posts to analyse, if need be. The quiet ones are always the ones that are hiding something. This. Amber[LighT] and Brownbear haven't posted much of anything, and i know that they both (brownbear at least) are usually pretty active. We could also put some pressure on lemonwalrus. As a matter of fact, lets analyze lemonwalrus. Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 18:48 Lemonwalrus wrote: /in if you are even still letting people in?
It is my first time, but I promise to read the rules thoroughly after class today and come prepared. He's a noobie. A green noobie (such as myself) would be excited about the game, and would be posting a lot. A blue noobie would sit back and lurk. We know he isn't a blue noobie because there aren't any in the item game. Therefore... Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:39 Lemonwalrus wrote:On March 24 2011 11:37 Jackal58 wrote: It's all sitting there in black and white.
Actually it is black and baby-blue. This is tl. Well this was an astounding contribution. Actually, GM called him out on it: Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:47 Lemonwalrus wrote:On March 24 2011 11:40 GMarshal wrote:On March 24 2011 11:39 Lemonwalrus wrote:On March 24 2011 11:37 Jackal58 wrote: It's all sitting there in black and white.
Actually it is black and baby-blue. This is tl. A wonderful contribution, so what do you think of the current candidates lemon? Are any of them worth voting for? Well, I think that the 'vote or no vote for day 1 lynch' platform is a moot point. Someone running with a day 1 vote could easily be mafia, since mafia would have a good shot at tipping the vote, especially now when there is no real suspicion on anyone. Then again they could easily be not mafia and just want to use the vote as a way to win the popular vote to make a vote for them seem like a vote for fairness. Similarly, someone running no day 1 vote could easily be mafia since, obviously getting a free kill day 1 is good for mafia. But they could easily be not mafia and just trust their own mafia sniffing capabilities better than that of the town in the case of a vote. So basically, as of right now, I have not seen any compelling reasons to vote for anyone, I'm gonna wait to see how the debates continue and vote for whoever I think has the strongest ideas for further down the road. Idk, this is my first game though, so maybe I'm thinking too hard about it. Waffling. He doesn't have an opinion. To give him credit, this is early in the game, but still he hasn't contributed anything. If he was really a noobie townie he'd be falling over himself trying to contribute something. But he doesn't, and whats more, his reasons for not contributing are very telling: he claims hes a noobie! Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 03:09 Lemonwalrus wrote: Sorry about the one-liners from before...it is my first time, I didn't realize that was inappropriate. I promise to make all future posts of mine painfully and needlessly verbose.
As far as the bum/not bum vote, I think bum is the best bet for the town for reasons that have already been discussed at length. (the biggest one for me being that I think if he wasn't blue by now one of the real blues would have surely counter-claimed) (If you are a blue and therefore know that bum isn't, please, there is no reason for you not to counter claim) So unless someone gives one hell of a compelling reason for me not to I intend to vote bum.
As far as the irc channels goes, well, gather round fellas, because I may be new to mafia, but I am an old hand at irc. I think having an irc for this is a very bad idea. Basically, it is just a more fast paced version of the forum which, on the one hand i know we all think 'well that is good it gives the scum more of a chance to fuck up and reveal themselves when they are under the gun' but the thing is, everyone will fuck up sooner or later. I'm sure if we do an irc channel literally everyone that participates will, sooner or later, say something that convinces someone that they are scum. That is what happens when you are able to share information without thinking hard about it first. (for instance, look at my signature...do you think any of those guys (besides aesop) would have said those things if they had had time to re-read it before clicking a post button?)
Also, I see a major component of the irc channel debate will be 'x isn't active in irc, he must be scum' or 'x is too active in irc, he must be scum' basically wifom madness imo, since with imperfect data either choice will put suspicion on a player and, since town outnumbers scum, more suspicion floating around should benefit scum.
So I vote no on irc and yes on bum, and the above are my reasons. Why is he using his noobiness to explain why he isn't contributing?! A true green noobie would be trying to contribute his ass off (like I am right now) instead of coming into the thread, posting unhelpful bullshit like this. Also notice how one small paragraph in that 'significant post' as chaoser calls it immediately below is actually related to the topic at hand (bum), and the rest of it is devoted to an entirely tangential vote on the IRC channel. I'd say, purely line for line, only a forth of this post is actually analysis, and its analysis that had been done by six other players by the time he posted it. Then, when he gets called out for waffling, he posts this. Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 03:17 Lemonwalrus wrote:wtf the more i post the more i get crap for not posting, what do you guys want from me ((((( Also I hadn't even thought of the impersonating people on irc thing that GMarshal brought up in his post. That is yet another convolution that irc will bring to the process. (although if we caught someone impersonating it would make it pretty obvious they were scum...so a potential for reward if a scum were to be so bold as to impersonate someone) I think the real problem with the irc is that there is such a thing as too much information when you are trying to make a decision. If we have pages and pages of posts and pages and pages of irc logs to go by, 2 sides could make bulletproof arguments for one person being scum/not scum, and it could be almost impossible to tell who was right with any sort of objectivity. Also....picking through irc logs sounds really tedious. I know that has no importance in the function of the game, but I just feel it will be less fun with a mountain of irc logs...and I kinda want to have fun. IRC IRC IRC. No discussion on bum, no discussion on kav. He has no thoughts other than IRC (which a noobie mafia would obviously not want) and a rehashing of a rehashing of bums position. And this is his last significant post in this topic! his final post says something like, "I decided not to post until roles were given out. The last ten pages in this topic could have been replaced with a kitten playing with yarn." I wasn't convinced he was mafia before I started this post but I am now. BURN THE WALRUS So since he's not you he's scum? Since hes not acting like I would (as a new player) hes either blue or scum, and since hes not blue... How about you tell me what you think new players act like in their first game when they're green? you've probably seen your share of new players. How do they act? Lemonwalruses behavior this game is competely nonsensical to me, and if he was green i'd be the other person in this game that understands his position.
I agree he needs to post/contribute a little more, but from a psychological perspective, newer players also have a tendency to become overwhelmed and lurk. In a game as active as this, it's easy to see huge numbers of pages and just get disheartened. I feel that it doesn't say much about his alignment at the moment, but if he continues to lurk after being called out, then I'd say it's something to look into. In fact, every game there's always a couple new players who just give up on playing and end up getting mod-killed, they're normally green too. They feel bored, because they don't have cool abilities/are mafia, and they just give up. I wouldn't expect that reasoning to hold this game though, as everyone either has abilities, or is in the item game.
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On March 26 2011 07:44 Insanious wrote: Um guys... the item game is NOT useful for anyone but town... If you read what LSB posted:
Q: Who gets the items? A: SURVIVING ITEM GAME PLAYERS
So say black gets the items... well guess what, we can lynch that black player the next day, and they get 0 items, all gone.
Item game is ONLY useful for town, IF the town player then doesn't die right after winning...
So ya, item game is NOT useful for anyone but town, as if anyone but town wins, we just kill that player and all items are lost.
This might be incorrect,
And if you win the item game, all the items will be given to your faction and you guys can use one of them per day!
I thought they just go to the winning faction, not to the 1 player, but maybe I'm wrong.
If there is 1 winner of the item game, and he dies, do all the items get removed, or are the items already part of the "faction", and don't just belong to the one individual?
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On March 26 2011 07:52 Coagulation wrote: MASTER WIGGLES IS CLEARLY THE SUPERIOR CORRECTOR.
THE FORCE IS STRONG IN THIS ONE
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On March 26 2011 04:13 Coagulation wrote: ##Vote: LemonWalrus
Then, I guess.
I think I'm planning on voting Bum at this point, unless a (seemingly unlikely) counterclaim comes up, and in that circumstance, I'll be voting for Kav. Unless he's the counterclaim... Then I don't know who I'm voting for. :p
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First thing's first, ##Vote: Bumatlarge. I feel ample time has passed for any sort of CC, and if blues are so dumb to have not CC'ed yet, they've done town a great disservice.
The next thing I'd like to discuss a little, is the item game. I'm feeling like people are getting a little emotional and riled up over it when they should just sit tight and try to figure out the best course of action. A lot of people have also claimed that lynching an IG player first is the best thing to do, and I agreed with this too, but I've decided to actually look at the possibilities of how the game will unravel, to see if this is what we really should be doing.
Case 1
Lynch a Red.
Then we are left with:
4 Green 1 Black
Red no longer has any interest in the item game, as they cannot shoot the Black. After Night 1, we'll be left with:
3 Green 1 Black
Assuming Black shoots into the item game, and no one uses a vig-like or medic ability. I feel that from here, finding the black in the game will be manageable, as all we need to do is analyze/scumhunt and lynch him.
Case 2
Lynch a Black.
Then we are left with:
4 Green 1 Red
So, this is a bit different. While Black will no longer have any interest in winning the items, they may still wish to shoot into the game to kill the assured red. (Not sure how likely this is) So, after Night 1, we'll be left with:
1-3 Green 0-1 Red
Assuming Red shoots into the item game, and no one uses a vig-like or medic ability. There are several possibilities here, that really rely on how many shots the red uses, and if black shoots into the game or not.
The best case scenario, is that Black takes out the Red, because then town will just win, no matter how many townies are left standing after Night 1.
The next scenario is Red shoots into the game once, and either Black doesn't shoot, or ends up stacking hits. In that case, we will start Day 2 with 3 Green, and 1 Red, and from here we have 2 more days mininum to find the Red. (Day 2+Day 3), and a maximum of 3 days, if Red continues to only use 1 KP.
However, the worst case scenario is that Red shoots once/twice into the game, and Black shoots once, neither stacking hits, and Black missing Red. Then we're left with 1 or 2 Green and 1 Red. That makes it LYLO for the item game. So while we can still win through scumhunting, we have NO room for error. If we got into this situation and managed to not lynch the Red, the best we could hope for is to medic protect the Green, or hope Black shoots Red as Red finishes off the town, so no one get the items, instead of Red.
Case 3
We lynch a Green.
Then we are left with:
3 Green 1 Red 1 Black
Here, both Red and Black have a good chance of winning the item game, and there are multiple possibilities for how this will play out. After Night 1, we'll be left with:
0-3 Green 0-1 Red 1 Black
Assuming Black always shoots into the item game, and no one uses a vig-like or medic ability.
Best Case Scenario is Black shoots Red, Red doesn't shoot. This leaves us with 3 Town, 1 Black, and we can scumhunt him. This is analogous to Case 1, except for the order Green/Red die.
The next scenario, is Black kills Red, and Red kills 1/2 Green. This will leave us with 1 Black, 1-2 Town. This is LYLO, and if we mislynch, Black gets the items, unless Red figures out who they are and roleblocks/hits them that night, resulting in no faction receiving the item.
The Worst-Case-Scenario, is if Red shoots twice, and Black shoots once, not stacking hits. This leaves us with 1 Red and 1 Black in the morning, and at that point we basically only get to choose which scum faction we'd like to give our items to. If we do manage to get into this situation, we can either lynch one of them, or if there are other scum targets, we can leave them both alive, so that Black kills Red for us, and we can lynch Black the next day, leaving us with 1 extra lynch to use, and making sure Black doesn't kill town that night. If there are no other scum targets though, we can just lynch one of the two confirmed scum players. It will come down to town's judgment, and this would still be a horrid situation for us.
Case 4
No lynch.
After Night 1, we'll be left with:
1-3 Town 1 Black 1 Red
I don't think Red would actually double kill in this situation, as their chances of winning will be pretty low, unless they can figure out who Black is to push for his lynch. So, that realistically leaves us with 2-3 Town. This is probably the most convoluted case, and the only information I can really draw from it is that this might draw the IG out for 1 more day.
Conclusions and Opinions
In my opinion, Lynching into the Item Game is a necessary evil, but we must be very careful that we hit a scum, and not town. Hitting town leaves us at the extremes with either a salvageable condition, where we can just scumhunt the Black, or with an auto-lose. I don't really like having to rely on who scum hits to win the game though, as that doesn't seem like the most reliable way to plan our moves. So, I ask all the item game players to at least provide some kind of justification into who they want to lynch, because as soon as Scum sees you suggesting the lynch of anyone who isn't them, they're going to jump on it automatically. This means Jackal's reason of consensus isn't very good, and I hope it's based on more than that. If Jackal has suggested a green player, both scum will have agreed to it, and then there only remains 1 townie to be convinced. So, a 4/6 agreement that someone is scum, realistically, is either only two town and two scum, or three town and one scum. So, in all actuality, afterward, I would look into the four who are all agreeing to the same lynch, as chances are high that at least one of them are scum.
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On March 27 2011 04:50 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 04:46 annul wrote: i would analyze the rest, but i think it is pointless until we see what happens in day and night 1 Isn't the point that we CAN'T wait? If we lynch town in the item game we're behind in it and there's a good chance we would lose?
That was basically what I was trying to see. Just from how I figured the game could go, we almost have to lynch into the game today, or maybe Day 2 if we think Scum wouldn't kill too much. If we lynch town today, there's a pretty good chance we'll lose.
I personally like the option that relies the least on what scum does. So, firstly, that's lynching into the item game, then not hitting town. If we don't lynch into the game, or we hit town, the ball's in the scum's court, and we basically have to rely on luck to be able to make it a town victory.
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Barring anything like medics/vigs, but that adds another uncontrollable factor into it, that again, relies a fair bit on luck and the judgment of town. After lynch, I'll probably look at the situation again and maybe try to provide some advice for how power roles should act. Nothing specific, just stuff like, if we kill a town, vig shooting into the IG is probably not the best idea.
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On March 27 2011 04:57 annul wrote: his final conclusion is "we need to kill in item game."
cool, i agree, and this is what i have been saying from the get go.
as for what to do in the future, let's see what the flip is
My final conclusion is we need to kill in item game, but if we shoot town, we're relying completely on the actions of scum for whether we win or not. We have to try our hardest to kill scum on the first lynch, and how we're deciding the lynch now is just off the reads of the few people in the game. Scum will agree to any lynch that isn't them. Town will agree to any lynch they think is scum. Town will not agree to their own lynch. Scum will not agree to their own lynch. So, when you're basing the lynch off just a few players' decisions in the item game, if you picked wrong, you're going to get the support of two scum automatically, and then all they need to do is convince one more town, that's 4/6. This is why I'd really like to at least see some of the thought process behind what's going on here, because the whole town might get screwed based on the wrong decisions of just a couple people.
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On March 27 2011 05:59 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 05:57 darmousseh wrote: I'm definitely in the lynch jackal camp right now. His reaction to his being suspected is almost exactly identical to another game which I played where he was mafia. I don't have enough of a read on tack to say anything. I also suspect one of annul/coag is probably black since black wants to kill mafia too, but I have no cause for it other than that they are playing very strategical right now.
Lynch jackal imo. Clues and puzzles???? I was dead day 1 no matter what I did. Thank you LSB.
If you look in the Day post, there are references to the Blacks being backed up by businesses. This is clearly a clue referencing OPEC. Case Solved!
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On March 27 2011 08:29 Lanaia wrote: iGrok, if you're reading this, speak more. You're talking elsewhere on TL. Sure, it isn't much, but if you have enough time to think about streaming Pokemon, you have enough time to at least post in here.
Rofl, I saw that earlier too.
Also, Bum, since we're 2 and a half hours from the deadline, and for the sake of transparency in the mayorship, how are the talks with your PM circle going? Are you guys getting closer to making a final decision?
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I leaning towards thinking that you're town now too, annul, based on your responses and posts recently. I think tack is town, and maybe coag, but he's acting different than normal. Lemonwalrus hasn't had much of a thread presence, so I'm kind've null on him, and darm's lurking so I have nothing to work with in regards to making an alignment call. Jackal has some plan to confirm himself and Coag, but a lot of the things he's said in the thread and his behavior have seemed really scummy to me lately.
Of the people brought up to lynch:
Annul- Causes big arguments in the thread, kind've spammy, leaning town Tack- Posts in thread have seemed pro-town, IG players say otherwise Jackal- Has a "confirmation plan", tunneling Tack, some scummy-looking posts recently (In my opinion) Darmo- Lurking pretty hard, not much information besides that
Do IG players have any extra info on Darm for why they think he's scum, is it just a gut-feel, or is it because of his lurking?
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Also, my question for the confirmation plan (You don't need to tell me if it will screw it up), but if it's based off item abilities, it seems likely that it could fail, if someone decides to Steal, so are you relying on item uses? Because that might not work out very well.
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Ok, just reading through quickly, and it seems like Tack is 100% scum in the eyes of a lot of people. However, I'm looking at the information available, and it seems like there's still the possibility he isn't. So, playing Devil's Advocate:
What we know:
Coag had a gun. Jackal and Lemon knew this. Jackal referenced having KP in thread.
Coag shot at Tack Scum shot at Tack/Annul Coag's (and maybe scum's) shot was redirected to Annul Jackal's item was stolen
What we've learned:
Unless Black is just screwing with the item game for giggles, Red have the Bus role. Blacks don't really seem to have any motivation we know of for saving Tackster or trying to incriminate him. If Red used their Bus on Tackster in order to prevent a foreseen hit, they wouldn't redirect it to their own hit target, meaning Blacks used their KP on Annul/Tack, and the Reds hit Gmarshal + someone else (Barring unknown Town/Blue KP).
What we think happened:
Tack is Mafia Tack thinks Jackal has KP, steals to avoid death Scum also buses Tack, Coag's shot is redirected to Annul
Logical Inconsistency:
If Tackster were Red, why would he both try to steal the item to prevent his death, AND Red would use their Bus on him? Surely one would have been sufficient to save him. This is primarily what is making me look more closely into what's happening rather than blindly accepting that Tack is scum.
What might have happened (and how it will continue):
Jackal is Mafia Jackal says he has KP in thread, Tack steals (Don't know his motivations, but he thinks Jackal is red, so maybe he wanted to try to stop a red KP) Coag really has the gun Jackal convinces Coag to shoot Tack Mafia know Coag is shooting Tack, bus it to Annul Town is now convinced Tack is scum, lynches Green. Scum kills townies, wins IG
How we should proceed:
This situation is entirely contingent on how likely it is Jackal is town. If he is town, Tack is assuredly Red and Mafia was anxious enough to save him that they used a power and tried to steal the gun, which is illogical but possible. However, if Jackal is red, then he just orchestrated this to make town believe that Tack was red, so we lynch a green and give scum a good chance of winning the IG. Like I said, I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, because I agree with Cubed that this seems a little too easy, and to Jackal's credit, I think he has the balls and the skill to actually try something like this. So, I'd like to first hear from Tack what actions he took last night, and then hear what makes Jackal a confirmed town. In my opinion, Jackal has said some scummy things in the thread, and we haven't really heard what exactly Coag/Jackal's mutual confirmation plan was. In addition, Jackal's defense thus far for not being red is "Do you think scum would stick their dick out like that day 1?", which is very WIFOM and unsubstantial.
I wanted to bring this up, because no one's really questioning what's happening, and whether or not Tack is scum, we need to be careful of our actions and place all plans under close scrutiny. I haven't heard the reasoning behind Tack's being Red that is anything more than: "He was bussed, mafia tried to save him", and I feel that since Jackal knew about Coag's gun, it's plausible that he may still be the Red left in the item game. So, I'd like to invite further discussion on the matter, because as it is, it's too easy for Red to possibly bandwagon Tackster and town to sheep along. This won't give us any information that will be useful in future days, whereas maybe my dissension might be able to spark some kind of conversation.
TL;DR
Tackster looks scum right now. No one is considering the possibility he isn't however. Jackal may be scum, and made it look like Tackster is red This depends on if Jackal is town or not. In my opinion Jackal has said some scummy things and is a good enough player to try something like this. We need to have more discussion or we'll get no information from the lynch.
Trust No One. Question Everything.
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Oh, and 1200 posts too :p
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On March 28 2011 13:45 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Logical Inconsistency:
If Tackster were Red, why would he both try to steal the item to prevent his death, AND Red would use their Bus on him? Surely one would have been sufficient to save him. This is primarily what is making me look more closely into what's happening rather than blindly accepting that Tack is scum. They already mentioned this. It's Jackal. Mafia didn't want to take chances cause Jackal likes his gambits. They stole and also bussed Tackster just in cause. Also, mafia could have been afraid that someone else outside the game that was town would shoot into the game at Tackster.
Yes, but wouldn't a bus be sufficient to save him? That's what I mean, he didn't really have to steal as well, as that would make it seem more likely he's scum. Maybe I'm misunderstanding how a bus works, but wouldn't it redirect all hit attempts at the same time? Then what's the need to steal too, it doesn't really help save him. People are looking at it like Tack stole and then mafia bussed him too, when maybe mafia busing him was their first reaction, and he stole on top of that, which would be stupid and unnecessary.
On March 28 2011 13:45 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +What might have happened (and how it will continue):
Jackal is Mafia Jackal says he has KP in thread, Tack steals (Don't know his motivations, but he thinks Jackal is red, so maybe he wanted to try to stop a red KP) Coag really has the gun Jackal convinces Coag to shoot Tack Mafia know Coag is shooting Tack, bus it to Annul Town is now convinced Tack is scum, lynches Green. Scum kills townies, wins IG This is bullshit also. If jackal was red he would have my gun right now theres no way scum would even consider letting me keep it when they know its gonna be up for grabs.
You're solidly convinced Jackal is town. Whether or not he's scum, he knows this too.
If he's scum, he knows he can help direct your shot, just like he did last night. I also think he has a good chance to get you to shoot Walrus before him if Tack flipped green. If we kill a green player tonight, we are relying on medic saves to stop scum from winning the IG, because they can just shoot the last two Greens. I don't want to save Tackster, I just want to not lynch a green tonight.
So, I ask again, (since I said this is all it relies on), what makes Jackal so assuredly Green? What was your "confirmation plan"? Did it work? That's all I want to know before I can confidently move forward lynching Tack.
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I want to point out this post of Bum's that really stood out to me:
On March 28 2011 11:25 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 11:21 Coagulation wrote: This confirms Tackster as scum 100% TACKSTER WAS THE VIGI SHOT TARGET LAST NIGHT SOMEONE BUSSED THE SHOT TO ANNUL
Proven scum100% Easy lynch Shut the fuck up. I know for 100% certain that this coming straight from your ass because I know exactly why annul died, and it has absolutely nothing to do with tackster. Aw Gmarshal, would that I had known what I know now! I think I'll have more stuff later.
Because right now, the KP arrangement looks really weird. We have:
2 Mafia KP 1 Black KP Coag's Gun
Annul was shot twice GMarshal was shot and killed Kav claiming he was shot and lived
This accounts for all four KP, barring vigi hits. If someone else was hit last night, it might be a good idea to claim.
We know shots on the Mayor are just absorbed, they aren't redirected to BGs. This means someone aimed and shot at GMarshal, which makes sense, as he's been acting pretty pro-town in the game. Kav has also been acting pro-town, and claims to have been shot as well, but lived. Annul was shot once by Coag's gun redirected from Tackster. This means that another scum KP was used on Annul as well.
It also seems like mafia were the ones who redirected Coag, as they would be the only ones who knew about his gun in the first place. Then someone else also shot annul. This is a little confusing, though, for two reasons depending on who shot Annul. Firstly, why would mafia stack hits on Annul, especially when they knew he had a potentially lethal potato, and that it was unlikely he would be protected? Secondly, black should have no more interest in the item game, so why would they shoot into it?
The possibilities:
Coag hits Annul Red hits Annul Red/Black hit Kav/GMarshal
Coag hits Annul Black hits Annul Red hits Kav/GMarshal
This is working under the assumption that Coag is indeed town, as I personally feel he is, and that he was redirected.
So, from Bum's post:
Bum, what do you mean you know why annul was killed? Do you have any extra information that might help us figure out what the hell's happening and who used what KP? There's a lot of misinformation going around, and this might help direct us back on track so we can stop wasting time theorizing and actually figure out who the Red in IG is.
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On March 29 2011 04:48 Tackster wrote:
Night 0: - we got no real information except that Pandain may be the mysterious 'real' mayor
Hey Pandain, are you secretly playing? :p
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No, I'm just making a joke, because there's "rumors of the true mayor", and some kind of kingdom, so I think they're related and the "ruler" is the "true mayor", but Tackster posted that he thinks Pandain might be the "true mayor" when he isn't even in the game. :p
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But then why does it say that Annul got hit twice? Was that a joke? Right now, if annul got hit twice, you're proposing there was 5 KP last night, or else the Day post was misguiding.
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On March 29 2011 09:37 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: But then why does it say that Annul got hit twice? Was that a joke? Right now, if annul got hit twice, you're proposing there was 5 KP last night, or else the Day post was misguiding. The KP are explained as 2 on annul - 1 from red, 1 from a redirected hit from Coag who wanted to hit Tack 1 on Kav - black/red 1 on GM - black/red That's 4
Coag KP: Used on tackster. Did not die. Bus already used, so he had to be protected. He clearly did not use his item, because coagulation says he did, which was the only item used, plus tackster should have claimed he used the item. IIRC, he never claimed a hit.
Bum just claimed Coag's KP was used on Tackster and that annul was hit once.
He explained it as:
1 on annul, from red 1 on Kav, black/red 1 on Gmarshal, black/red 1 on Tack, Coag
And I asked him why he didn't put annul as being hit twice, when that looks like a definite clue in the day post.
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On March 29 2011 09:42 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 09:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 29 2011 09:37 chaoser wrote:On March 29 2011 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: But then why does it say that Annul got hit twice? Was that a joke? Right now, if annul got hit twice, you're proposing there was 5 KP last night, or else the Day post was misguiding. The KP are explained as 2 on annul - 1 from red, 1 from a redirected hit from Coag who wanted to hit Tack 1 on Kav - black/red 1 on GM - black/red That's 4 Coag KP: Used on tackster. Did not die. Bus already used, so he had to be protected. He clearly did not use his item, because coagulation says he did, which was the only item used, plus tackster should have claimed he used the item. IIRC, he never claimed a hit. Bum just claimed Coag's KP was used on Tackster and that annul was hit once. He explained it as: 1 on annul, from red 1 on Kav, black/red 1 on Gmarshal, black/red 1 on Tack, Coag And I asked him why he didn't put annul as being hit twice, when that looks like a definite clue in the day post. 2 on annul - 1 from red, 1 from a redirected hit from Coag who wanted to hit Tack1 on Kav - black/red 1 on GM - black/red Coag aimed at Tack. But his shot went to annul. Someone messed with the shot. It's care by looking at the day post. Coag was "confused"
I agree someone messed with the shot, and I agree with your KP spread, but that's not what Bum was saying.
On March 29 2011 09:29 bumatlarge wrote: Nice tnk, that explains a lot. Let's see what I can do.
My DT: Checked Lemon, switched with me and came back as that. Makes perfect sense because that is my role. I believe that explains any FoS we could have had against him. He is no longer a suspect. I WAS NOT HIT LAST NIGHT
Scum KP: Red's hit annul. Simple as that, I could explain it but then I would have to kill you. Black/red hit GMarshal and Kav. Kav is alive, GMarshal is dead.
Coag KP: Used on tackster. Did not die. Bus already used, so he had to be protected. He clearly did not use his item, because coagulation says he did, which was the only item used, plus tackster should have claimed he used the item. IIRC, he never claimed a hit.
If you want to live tackster you need to answer this post. Lemon is no longer a bigger suspect then you.
He said Red's hit annul, coag shot Tack, but Tack had protection, medic/vest or something, and then never claimed a hit. I'm asking him to clarify and if he needs to correct himself if he didn't take into account two hits on annul. There's a big difference if Tack was protected or if Coag's shot was redirected, and I don't want the blues working off of wrong information.
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On March 29 2011 10:58 GGQ wrote: The argument that Tackster can't be mafia because he didn't know coagulation had the gun is fundamentally flawed. There's one thing that everyone, including coagulation, seems to be forgetting.
Coagulation claimed that he had a stun gun that would disable his target's power. That's why scum redirected Coagulation to annul; to disable annul's hot potato so that it wouldn't blow up and kill the other scum who was assigned to shoot annul. Meanwhile Tackster stole from jackal to prevent jackal from shooting him. That fact that Coagulation ended up shooting annul was completely accidental by the mafia.
Thus the 4 kp are as follows:
Red hit annul Red hit Kav or Gmarshal Black hit Kav or Gmarshal Coag hit Tackster, but was redirected by scum to hit annul because scum thought that his stun gun would stop annul's potato from killing the scum who killed annul.
GG lynch Tackster
I never thought of the stun gun. >.<
This makes sense with Tack as scum.
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So, if we lynch incorrectly, what are the chances of actually salvaging the item game? We have a claimed bus driver, (Might not be as useful now), possibly medics, a KP, a Vest, and that's it? I'm just trying to figure out what we should do to prepare in case the shit hits the fan.
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On March 30 2011 12:18 Kenpachi wrote: cool item game you got here.
Ever going to post something useful?
Of the item game players, I think Coag is town. Lw/Jackal, I'm not so sure. The thing for tonight is to get Coag through alive. We can lynch one of Lw/Jackal tomorrow if need be, but it might be preferable to kill them both tonight if possible so that we don't need to use up another day and another lynch still stuck on the IG. Best case scenario is we kill them both, coag lives. The next best is if 1 dies, Coag lives, we lynch the other tomorrow. Worst case is coag dies, and the other townie dies. If we think coag is going to die and mafia will win, it might even be best to kill everyone in the IG, to force a draw on the items. Better no one gets them than Red.
Also, Coag better not be the fucking red.
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I think you're town, I'm just saying you better NOT be the red, or I'll be mad. This is Survivor all over again.
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On March 30 2011 12:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I think you're town, I'm just saying you better NOT be the red, or I'll be mad. This is Survivor all over again.
Directed at Coag. Not the ninja walrus
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On March 30 2011 12:53 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:52 OriginalName wrote:On March 30 2011 12:44 Jackal58 wrote:On March 30 2011 12:42 tnkted wrote: Just a quick question: why are we suspecting lemon over jackal? I don't care if you suspect me or not. Shoot me. Lynch me. Just keep coag alive. hey Jack why is it that whenever you end up tunneling a townie and they die you just go all emo and quit. Its kinda detremental to your play and makes you seem really emo. Wait i hit post on that? l0l
You write mean things about people and then erase them? O.o
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On March 30 2011 13:01 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:52 OriginalName wrote:On March 30 2011 12:44 Jackal58 wrote:On March 30 2011 12:42 tnkted wrote: Just a quick question: why are we suspecting lemon over jackal? I don't care if you suspect me or not. Shoot me. Lynch me. Just keep coag alive. hey Jack why is it that whenever you end up tunneling a townie and they die you just go all emo and quit. Its kinda detremental to your play and makes you seem really emo. I'm not getting fucking emo. I don't care it Tack died. I don't care that I was wrong. All I care about is keeping items from scum. The only way that can be accomplished is for me to die and then lynch Lemon. I'm green. I need to prove that to town. The only way I can do that is to die. Coag is green. The only way that can be proven is if he dies. Keep Coag alive and lynch Lemon. Scum doesn't get IG items. Red needs them to find the black team. I will not reveal how I know Coag is town. Let's just say my meta on him is exponentially greater that anybody elses.
So you're a fatalist? (Pun)
I'd prefer to keep as many townies alive from the IG as possible, but it doesn't seem likely that more than one will actually make it through. At this point, we're going to have to kill both you and lemon, unless some kind of extra information pops up. I'm more convinced you're town at the moment, because accepting your death makes you look town, but at the same time it introduces WIFOM. Would a mafia say kill me, then lynch him? Probably. The only town KP we know about is Coag's, someone claimed vig, but that isn't a confirmed KP, and Bum hinted at something. Only coag's is actually reliable (as in it exists for certain), and lemon has a vest. So that means you're the only shot we can take to actually expect a kill, unless coag gets redirected again. If you flip green, we lynch lemon. If anyone has an alternative plan, I'd like to hear it, it might help save a townie.
Also, I'd suggest to any tracker/watcher or w/e if it exists to watch Coag tonight. If a redirector visits him, you should be able to find him then, you'll just have to pick him out if a medic also visits, but at least that's another scum caught.
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On March 31 2011 11:07 LSB wrote: Night post calculations may take a while, you guys just broke Physics FYI
But I don't have time travel powers this time... :p
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On March 31 2011 11:20 tnkted wrote: Isn't brutUS plural? I'd be speaking to a group of people.
I do arabic and spanish.
No, it's singular nominative. I took first year latin <3
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On March 31 2011 11:24 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 11:22 Tackster wrote:On March 31 2011 11:20 tnkted wrote: Isn't brutUS plural? I'd be speaking to a group of people.
I do arabic and spanish. Brutus is singular - it's a name so doesn't follow a proper declension anyway. Also it's in the vocative which means 'O Brutus' In the Nominative (Brutus) it would mean Brutus did something and you... so it'd be... brutoi? Surely latin lets you turn names into verbs if you claim artistic license. Bushism, Monroe'd, etc.
You misquoted anyways, it's "Et tu, Brute?" which is the proper Vocative form. Also, it's second declension masculine, follows the rules. :p
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On March 31 2011 11:28 Tackster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 11:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 31 2011 11:24 tnkted wrote:On March 31 2011 11:22 Tackster wrote:On March 31 2011 11:20 tnkted wrote: Isn't brutUS plural? I'd be speaking to a group of people.
I do arabic and spanish. Brutus is singular - it's a name so doesn't follow a proper declension anyway. Also it's in the vocative which means 'O Brutus' In the Nominative (Brutus) it would mean Brutus did something and you... so it'd be... brutoi? Surely latin lets you turn names into verbs if you claim artistic license. Bushism, Monroe'd, etc. You misquoted anyways, it's "Et tu, Brute?" which is the proper Vocative form. Also, it's second declension masculine, follows the rules. :p Names don't always follow the rules. Just fyi
Yeah, but that one does.
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On March 31 2011 12:37 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 12:08 LSB wrote: Arena Has been Unpaused Pandain will replace RebirthOfLeGenD
Carry on. here
Yeah, but the actual arena rules aren't back in the Day post. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what happened last night. Any hit claims would be nice to have if they're going to come out.
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Just so you know, cubed has claimed blue, and has been affirmed by bum. So he's probably not scum, unless bum somehow is (Which is pretty much impossible). :p
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On March 31 2011 13:32 Pandain wrote:Where has cubed claim blue? How would Bum know he's telling truth? + Show Spoiler + I'm sorry
He's in a PM circle with Bum, and until now, Rean and iGrok.
Also: + Show Spoiler +On March 30 2011 08:45 CubEdIn wrote: OK, TIME FOR THE CUBE!!
*cue Eye of the Tiger* EPIC PLAN OF EPICNESS
So, if you guys didn't figure it out yet, I'm blue. Yes, blue. Bum can vouch for me if needed, but if you guys didn't see it by now then you suck @ mafia lol.
Don't worry though, the reds and blacks already knew this, because I slipped in another part of the game that's not open to the publique! (that's public in a language I just made up)
So, here's the deal boys and girls: 1. We lynch Lemon now. 2. If he flips green, we (the blues) get rid of Tackster during the night. YES, WE CAN. (lol)
The only issue here is, which townie do we want in the game? We risk either way, but I'd rather Tackster lives, as he seems to be much more active.
Chances of this failing: yes, if Coag is mafia.
So ask yourselves, is it worth risking to kill Tackster, or is it work risking to kill Lemon. Which was more pro-town? AS I SAID, THEY CAN BOTH DIE EITHER WAY. SCUM is not taking the IG. Unless we have Coag as red. In which case they were taking the IG anyway.
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Ninja'd twice Bedtime for me now.
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Ok, so I thought this over for a bit, and I think it's a good time to claim.
Mr Wiggles: Government Agent
Some of you have been wondering if there's another party, and those suspicions haven't been unfounded. I am on a three man team, or mason circle, comprised of FBI agents. Me, as well as Ver and Foolishness' smurfs (who shall remain nameless), are plotting behind the scenes to overthrow and destroy all scum in the game.
You are an FBI Agent!. Together with your teammates, [Redacted], and [Redacted], you must work to [Redacted], to eliminate all [Redacted], and then [Redacted].
You are the FBI Sniper! In addition to your standard equipment, you have a high-powered sniper rifle! Each night, you may look through your scope and see the alignment of someone. You will then be given the choice of taking the shot or not. You have three bullets, happy hunting!
As you can see, we are a force to be reckoned with. Scum should be shaking in their boots right now, because, if you'll pardon a pun, I'm gunning for them.
Also, my teammates and the government have allowed me to share this message with you detailing our current information, plans, and actions to be taken:
Dear Citizens of [Redacted]. We are pleased to announce that we are here to [Redacted] all [Redacted]. We know what a great threat the [Redacted] pose to the [Redacted], and so we will try our hardest to [Redacted], [Redacted], and [Redacted]. We trust that when the time is right, and [Redacted] has been [Redacted], you will join us in [Redacted], to [Redacted] the remaining [Redacted]. This will enable us to secretly [Redacted], thereby [Redacted] the game, and assuring final [Redacted]. In [Redacted] We [Redacted].
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Rofl, I had ten minutes free time after lunch, and there's no discussion, and guess what day it is... :p (Can't believe anyone took that seriously)
Suspicion/Opinion list:
1. RebirthOfLeGenD Pandain (replacement) 2. Jackal58 3. OriginalName 4. Kenpachi 5. deconduo 6. Kavdragon 7. darmousseh Day 1 lynch 8. bumatlarge 9. GMarshal Night 1 Kill 10. Coagulation 11. orgolove 12. chaoser Night 2 Kill 13. Meapak_Ziphh 14. annul Night 1 Kill 15. kevconsim 16. Mr. Wiggles 17. CubEdIn 18. GGQ 19. ilovejonn 20. Amber[LighT] 21. BrownBear 22. Lemonwalrus 23. Rean Night 2 Kill 24. tnkted 25. Tackster Day 2 Lynch 26. Lanaia 27. iGrok Night 2 Kill 28. Beneather 29. Insanious 30. Eiii [/quote]
Those are my reads for now. Red = scum, Black = undecided, Green/Blue = Town
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On April 01 2011 09:12 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 07:56 Coagulation wrote: because night 2 mafia bussed a DT check off lemonwalrus among other things
Erm, mafia didn't bus the DT check off, I did. And I thought i was saving lemon. We just got unlucky.
Unless he just called you scum.
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We should also consider that the arena can work like a lynch for us too if we can get two "confirmed" townies in there. Then, we all vote on who we'd like to enter the arena and the two townies can both submit the same name, and kill him the next day in the arena. The only problem is we'd have to be careful to only voting for people we have a strong scum read on, because once you get three townies in there, one of them HAS to die, or at least that's how I think the rules read. But yes, we can use that for a town directed second kill if we need to, and if we can trust that two of the people already in the arena are townies and will be willing to listen, so they don't submit other names.
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On April 02 2011 04:11 bumatlarge wrote: Oh nice cube that was faster then I expected. Welcome aboard Eiii!
Town: Bum Cube Coag Jackal Eiii
Perhaps we should discuss our night actions first? As soon as Lemon dies, town will get all the items, and since they are randomly distributed, we can get something else out of this.
What if everyone claims what item they got? I know with MC around this is dangerous, but we can confirm townies, and fakeclaims will be put in the immediate spotlight. Assuming that is how the item game works.
I don't know if it's a great idea to claim all the items, because this is like mass claiming blues in a normal game. Maybe I'm wrong though, but:
Once the item game is over, if the player holding the item is killed, is the item given to another player, or is it destroyed for good?
If town wins the item game, can we use all the items, just reread the Op and it said And if you win the item game, all the items will be given to your faction and you guys can use one of them per day! So we can't use all of them at night?
I want to wait until these two questions are clarified before we move forward with any sort of plan.
If we can only use one item per night, that drastically affects their usefulness, severely limiting the actions we can take with them, but also adding some nice WIFOM for scum not knowing which we'll use. Still, the cons outweigh the pros if we are limited to one per night.
My first question refers to your mass-claim idea. If the items just get passed along in case of death, it might not be a bad idea to claim the items so that people can be held accountable and town can direct their actions. However, if the item is destroyed on death after the IG is over, then I think claiming would be a HORRIBLE idea. It will just give scum a sniping guide, especially as we are unsure of how many medics, if any, we have outside of the bandages. It just means scum can shoot the medic, the vig, and both DTs whenever they want and not have to worry about them anymore. So while it might be nice to know who has what, and to avoid fake-claims, if the items get destroyed, then they're useless. I'd rather have unknown town using the items, than known town dead with no possibility of item use.
So like I said, I'm going to refrain from formulating an item-use plan until we know all the details for certain.
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On April 02 2011 05:51 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 05:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 02 2011 04:11 bumatlarge wrote: Oh nice cube that was faster then I expected. Welcome aboard Eiii!
Town: Bum Cube Coag Jackal Eiii
Perhaps we should discuss our night actions first? As soon as Lemon dies, town will get all the items, and since they are randomly distributed, we can get something else out of this.
What if everyone claims what item they got? I know with MC around this is dangerous, but we can confirm townies, and fakeclaims will be put in the immediate spotlight. Assuming that is how the item game works. I don't know if it's a great idea to claim all the items, because this is like mass claiming blues in a normal game. Maybe I'm wrong though, but: Once the item game is over, if the player holding the item is killed, is the item given to another player, or is it destroyed for good?If town wins the item game, can we use all the items, just reread the Op and it said And if you win the item game, all the items will be given to your faction and you guys can use one of them per day! So we can't use all of them at night?I want to wait until these two questions are clarified before we move forward with any sort of plan. If we can only use one item per night, that drastically affects their usefulness, severely limiting the actions we can take with them, but also adding some nice WIFOM for scum not knowing which we'll use. Still, the cons outweigh the pros if we are limited to one per night. My first question refers to your mass-claim idea. If the items just get passed along in case of death, it might not be a bad idea to claim the items so that people can be held accountable and town can direct their actions. However, if the item is destroyed on death after the IG is over, then I think claiming would be a HORRIBLE idea. It will just give scum a sniping guide, especially as we are unsure of how many medics, if any, we have outside of the bandages. It just means scum can shoot the medic, the vig, and both DTs whenever they want and not have to worry about them anymore. So while it might be nice to know who has what, and to avoid fake-claims, if the items get destroyed, then they're useless. I'd rather have unknown town using the items, than known town dead with no possibility of item use. So like I said, I'm going to refrain from formulating an item-use plan until we know all the details for certain. But look how any targets we have. I have no more BGs, cube is my DT, and we have claimed persons all over. And if you have the gun or a DT, you wouldn't have to claim if no one else did. The vest is an instant confirm. I can only see it failing if mafia and blacks coordinate their kills against town. We are a little behind until lemon is lynched, and even then it would be better for red and blacks to take out obvious members later.
I'm just saying that a mass-claim if the items are destroyed is a bad idea. That's really thinking in the short term, and not for the long-term of the game. As far as I know, there's nothing in the OP that says that scum KP drops with members. You can say there's a huge number of targets, but it doesn't mean it's not still a shooting gallery. This means that scum can MC either vig or medic every night, and protect or get an extra kill. Neither scum team is going to let town keep hold of a KP, or a Medic, they also won't like DTs either. I'm working under the assumption that scum will kill off power roles who pose a legitimate danger to them.
Scum would rather kill a confirmed town+item than just a confirmed green. The only saving grace for this plan is that the scum teams might be gunning for each other, but that's it.
Like I said earlier in the thread, I'd rather go with the plan that gives scum less choice and flexibility. If we claim, then scum can kill off power roles at their leisure, and snipe each other in-between that. It helps scum a lot. It gives them a list of power town roles, but they can also through process of elimination find each other as well. So then, this relies on whether scum want to shoot each other, or shoot town, and leaves us with little choice in the matter.
Also, I just remembered this, but didn't Lemon claim he got shot last night? Then shouldn't the vest be destroyed now? I thought he claimed that it only absorbed one shot and was gone. So that means that either it's gone, or he lied about how it actually works, or about the vest's existence in the first place.
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On March 31 2011 13:13 Lemonwalrus wrote: I know we all think I'm mafia at this point, but in case any of you care, I was shot last night.
On March 29 2011 12:05 Lemonwalrus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 11:57 GGQ wrote:On March 29 2011 11:39 Lemonwalrus wrote: My last post was 21 pages ago, in much, much simpler times.
I've read the thread from then so far but not as thoroughly as I would have liked to so I'm gonna go back and try to piece things together. In the mean time, if anyone (specifically bumatlarge) has any questions for me to answer go ahead and post them and I'll try to help you out. I have a question for you. Can you confirm that your item is a vest that protects you from night kills? If so, someone in the thread earlier (jackal?) said that your vest would automatically protect you even if you were protecting it rather than using it. This seems wrong to me, so I'd like to hear it from you. Do you have to use the vest for it to protect you or does it do so automatically? And, finally, did your best block a bullet last night? My vest will block a bullet no matter what action I take, unless it is stolen. As long as I am wearing the vest, I can block 1 nightkill attempt. The vest is destroyed in the process, so it is only good to block one bullet.It did not block a bullet last night, if it had, it would have been destroyed, and LSB would have included that information in the day post just like he included the whereabouts of the potato. Also I assume that I would have gotten a pm telling me I had been shot but I'm not entirely sure about that.
So no more vest?
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When ILJ placed bombs and it says great post, it replaced the words A.pril F.ools with "great post". He was joking about it, unless it's really a breadcrumb. And now I'm just WIFOM'ing all over. So he may or may not be an actual hatter.
I'm just glad we finally won the IG, so we can move on to finding the other scum in the game. We ended up devoting entire days just arguing over who was the one scum left there, to the detriment of everything else. I'm going to be looking over Meapak's analysis, and will contribute my own thoughts on a couple people, time permitting. (A couple essays due this weekend )
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On April 03 2011 04:08 Insanious wrote: I told you guys that I am town.
Also BB died so that me and Pandain can has a SC2 battle over our votes tomorrow...
Simply because, who ever wins the BO3 gets control of the other persons' vote. As such, If I win, I can kill who ever I want in the arena game, same thing if pandain wins.
Then you better win, as Pandain isn't confirmed like you are. All he needs to do is win, after voting someone in who's town, and free kill (If he turns out to be scum).
How are you guys picking who's going to join you? I'd suggest looking at the people who have had analysis done on them, or who most of town thinks are scum, and pick one of them. It might also be useful to announce in thread, so town doesn't use a KP on them tonight. Examples being: kenpachi, amber, etc.
My thought process for picking probable scum (whether or not Panda is scum himself):
If Panda is not scum:
He picks scum with you, works with you, no problems.
If Panda is scum:
He either picks with you, or not with you. We know you're town, so if he doesn't pick with you, and a town shows up in the game, then we know there's a high probability he's scum, and we can just lynch him.
If he does pick with you, and then votes against you, we know he's scum for certain, because you're town. It's WIFOM though for the third person in the game, so if that happened, I'd suggest, (After Pandain kills you in Arena), town lynches Panda, Coag shoots third player that night.
If all three players in the Arena die at the same time, what happens?
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Ok, so I was reading through the Quicktopic, and wondering why there were only two names given to Cubed and Bum by the black team, and if cubed was right when he said they're lying. At the beginning, it said this:
-There are three parties that have access to the black market. One town aligned. One third party aligned. One Mafia aligned. -There are nine people who can make deals in the black market. There are three per alignment. They are the Mafia Drug Runner, Mafia Treasurer, Mafia Godfather, Police Commissioner, Police Undercover Agent, Police Cheif, Third Party Arms Dealer, Third Party Banker, Third Party CEO
So, unless Lemonwalrus was one of those, the third party should have been been given three names. They only released two, neither of which was the GF, why?
One possible explanation I found:
Please note, on the list of players I will send, the name of the godfather/police chief will be potentially unreliable. However, because there are only 2 blue members left, I am able to figure out the police chief. In addition, please allow up to 24 hours to process the order for people other than the police chief. Thank you for your business
What does LSB mean here when he says potentially unreliable?
From the names and the death of Meapak last night, it adds up to three, the GF and two others. So we need to figure out why they didn't release the name of the GF. It says that the name was "potentially unreliable", so maybe that means they got a different name other than Meapak, or a random name. However, it doesn't make much sense for them to not release the name anyways, since they wouldn't care if a townie/red were shot/lynched instead of the actual GF, since it still wastes hostile KP. So maybe they never got the name of the GF at all, and that's why?
I was already convinced that Amber is scum. Part of this came from Meapak's analysis, but even if he was GF, his points still make sense. It also makes sense that at least one of his analysis were done on a scum for credibility later in the game, and so his role flip shouldn't clear anyone based on his analysis. Like coag just said, it's a good idea to pressure your scum-buddies to throw people off when you flip, and if I might add, to gain you credibility when they flip.
As such, I'm going to say Amber would be a good lynch today to see if the list is correct or not. At best, we kill a mafia, at worst we lose a lurker who isn't contributing.
However, it might instead be in our best interests to try to find a black player for our lynch, as it seems like they're very strong right now, and we need to do something about that.
So, I propose this:
We try to find a black today, either through analysis, abilities, or unexamined slips. If we're able to find one for certain, we lynch them. However, if we can't find anyone like that, or can't make a convincing enough case, we should lynch Amber, as he is very likely to be scum, and it would help confirm or disqualify the list the black team gave to cubed/bum. A dead scum for nearly certain is better than uncertainly lynching a possible town.
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I don't think we should kill both amber and orgo unless we trust what the blacks said to be certain or have no other targets. I think this is a good plan still, though.
Can the bombs kill Black players?
They're "Bulletproof", so I'm wondering if it can even hurt them, because it might change our considerations a bit. However, if they don't die then we still know we've found scum.
So what do people think of targets?
I say
1: Orgo/Amber 2: kev/ken
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My bombs can be ROLEBLOCKED and it will not go off. This is crucial. What this means is that in order to safely get my bombs off, getting lynched during the day is the best option. Since I'm a Day Hatter, I have to post in the thread about who to bomb, and if I really land one on a scum and they believe I'm hatter, they can just roleblock and night kill me.
According to ILJ, they can be RBed. This is why I'm leaning towards lynching him today over Kav. I think it's better to bomb two people we think are scum, and possibly net town some scum kills and get more information, than completely waste the opportunity.
I see it like:
A: Lynch ILJ, bombs explode on two people. Very likely to hit two scum. If they flip red, awesome, if they don't die, assume black.
B: Lynch Kav, likely to flip black. No new information.
I like A, because we can do this:
Bomb two people. See what they flip. Regardless of flip, stick Kav in the Arena the next day. If we find another third party, instead of two mafia, we lynch them the next day.
So we can kill two scum today, one tomorrow, or one scum today, two tomorrow. Three scum total. I'm also assuming we can reliably pick out two very likely scum for the bombs.
I'm keeping my vote on ILJ for now.
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Well right now, we have 16 people alive. Of those, 7 are scum. So, even by random chance, we are likely to hit at least one scum.
Then add to that the fact that we have several "confirmed" townies, so we increase the ratio even more, to something like 7/11 players are scum, once you remove the 5 or so of those town from it.
Then, we also the two players, amber and orgo, that the black team said are scum in the black market.
So, we have 7/11 players who are scum among the unconfirmed. Then we have two players black claimed are pure red. I don't think we'll hit two townies. At worst one, and a lurker at that. I my opinion, we're likely to hit two scum, especially if we put some thought into it.
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Like I said, if we uncover a black, we just stick Kav in the arena and lynch the other black tomorrow.
I also think one of the bombs should go on Amber.
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On April 04 2011 04:13 ilovejonn wrote: If we're lynching black to lower their KP, I'm down with it. HOWEVER, that means our lynch must be on someone who is 100% BLACK. Or else I'm done, and town is done.
Do we know if lynching them lowers their KP? Where'd we get that information?
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1 Bomb Kav, 1 Bomb Orgo or Amber, I'd say
This way we get to actually use ILJ, we kill a black, and probably kill a red as well.
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Also, we're likely to lose him anyways, because mafia will be afraid of his bombs. I think a 1-1-1 trade is pretty good at this point, in reducing both the scum teams' numbers.
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So, what's happening in the arena right now?
Would it be possible to hear from Insanious, pandain, and Beneather Bot? What's going on in there? There's not much transparency here, guys, and you aren't posting anything in the thread.
Also, do we think one of Insanious/pandain may be scum?
Lanaia was saying that Insanious might be the smiling guy from the black market, because he said something about putting his best efforts into saving tack. I can see how that might have been a slip up, and there's been other suspicions of insanious before.
Anyone else want to proffer thoughts? The thread's come to a standstill again, and we should still be discussing stuff.
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On April 04 2011 12:24 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 12:23 kevconsim wrote: THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT Please stop spamming or we will be very very mad at you.
On April 04 2011 14:20 kevconsim wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 12:37 Lanaia wrote: I'm off again for a little while. <3 to everyone who isn't scum. please stop spamming the thread like that
He mad. OMGUS right there.
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Just got home, going to watch a movie in a sec, read through the thread. I thought Kav's claim was probably fake, so I switched, but now that he posted the breadcrumb I don't think he would have had the prescience to do something like that beforehand if he were scum, especially as he was under no pressure then.
Switching to ON.
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Before I go, why put bombs on me?
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I'm not black, that's a waste of a bomb, now we'll just lose two town when you explode.
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On April 05 2011 11:57 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 11:56 Lanaia wrote:On April 05 2011 11:54 Coagulation wrote: i think we would be better off lynching confirmed scum at this point
Who is our confirmed scum atm? Just orgolove? orgolove and amber, going by what blacks said. and there's bombs on both.
So should ILJ be protected?
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On March 27 2011 02:05 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 01:01 tnkted wrote: Are black players bulletproof forever, or are they like vets with two lives? Bulletproof- It is a role blockable passive ability that protects the wearer from all night kills unless the KP explicitly states that it goes through bulletproof Veteran's ability- It is a passive ability that is not able to be role blocked that protects the wearer from 1 night kill, unless the KP explicitly states that it goes through bulletproof.
This is why I think Amber's lying. Why would bulletproof be role-blockable unless mafia had roleblock? It makes no sense for blacks to have roleblock, because they wouldn't roleblock themselves :p. It also seems weird if town had roleblock, because it doesn't really help town that much. The only thing that makes sense if for mafia to have a RBer that they can use with their KP to kill blacks.
Conclusion: In addition to being scum, amber is also a liar.
Also:
Why are we killing Lanaia? Isn't she supposed to be "confirmed"?
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On April 06 2011 05:28 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 05:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 27 2011 02:05 LSB wrote:On March 27 2011 01:01 tnkted wrote: Are black players bulletproof forever, or are they like vets with two lives? Bulletproof- It is a role blockable passive ability that protects the wearer from all night kills unless the KP explicitly states that it goes through bulletproof Veteran's ability- It is a passive ability that is not able to be role blocked that protects the wearer from 1 night kill, unless the KP explicitly states that it goes through bulletproof. This is why I think Amber's lying. Why would bulletproof be role-blockable unless mafia had roleblock? It makes no sense for blacks to have roleblock, because they wouldn't roleblock themselves :p. It also seems weird if town had roleblock, because it doesn't really help town that much. The only thing that makes sense if for mafia to have a RBer that they can use with their KP to kill blacks. Conclusion: In addition to being scum, amber is also a liar. Also: Why are we killing Lanaia? Isn't she supposed to be "confirmed"? THIS MAN MAKES SENSE. I ALMOST FEEL BAD FOR HAVING TO KILL HIM!! We are killing Lanaia because she is the king and there is no more protection. If day 3.1 was any clue, then we might lose the game in the morning when the assassin takes her out. LSB, can you please confirm if the "main game" ends if external win conditions are met (such as Assassin/Village Idiot/etc.)?
Why do you have to kill me?
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I think you're notified if you are RBed, just like you're notified if you're hit but don't die.
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On April 06 2011 11:04 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 11:03 Lanaia wrote:On April 06 2011 11:03 Jackal58 wrote: I'm gonna host a game and just randomly modkill GMarshall and chaoser Why? I like them! YOUR QUEEN DEMANDS IT BACK TO YOUR SLUMS, PROLETARIAT
We will rise up, and overthrow the tyrannical reign of the bourgeoisie! WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR CHAINS!!!!
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On April 06 2011 11:08 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 11:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 06 2011 11:04 tnkted wrote:On April 06 2011 11:03 Lanaia wrote:On April 06 2011 11:03 Jackal58 wrote: I'm gonna host a game and just randomly modkill GMarshall and chaoser Why? I like them! YOUR QUEEN DEMANDS IT BACK TO YOUR SLUMS, PROLETARIAT We will rise up, and overthrow the tyrannical reign of the bourgeoisie! WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR CHAINS!!!! Stand up and fight you commie bastard.
American scum, you will never triumph! I fight with strength of great Russian bear and power of thirty bottles of Vodka. You will never take me!
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On April 06 2011 11:11 Coagulation wrote: FOR MOTHER RUSSIA
IS THIS CALLER'S GAME NOW?
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On April 06 2011 11:22 CubEdIn wrote:Come here wiggles. SQUEEL! SQUEEL!
You're going to rape me? O.o
I also know you won't believe it, but I'm not Black.
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On April 06 2011 11:36 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 11:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 06 2011 11:22 CubEdIn wrote:Come here wiggles. SQUEEL! SQUEEL! You're going to rape me? O.o I also know you won't believe it, but I'm not Black. He got your ROLE.
It's wrong. I can tell you why.
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On April 06 2011 11:50 CubEdIn wrote: Also I love how wiggles is cooking up an explanation for how he's not scum.
Good luck with that babe.
I'm not Black, I'm green. I can explain your role-check. I just need to wait for my information first.
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You are the Hacker! You are a master at collecting and analyzing sensitive information! Each night, you may PM me the name of one player, receiving information about their alignment. However, this information will not be revealed to you until you analyze your data by posting in thread ##Analyze, after which you can collect no new information. Due to the shady nature of your work, checks on you have a random chance to return the role of one of the players you have collected information on.
Look at my posts, I'm not scum. Waiting on LSB to give me the alignments.
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Just got the information in PM.
(Night 1) Coagulation Town (Night 2) Amber[LighT] Mafia (Night 3) GGQ Town (Night 4) deconduo Mafia
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I don't know, he got framed, I'm guessing.
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One of them, Amber or decon, are the Arms Dealer
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Actually, looking at what you got returned for arms dealer:
You are the Third Party Arms Dealer.You have access to the black market. Your mission is to take control of the black market through any means possible. If you kill the Police Commissioner and Undercover, the black market will be closed and all remaining weapons and money will go to the third party. As an experienced arms dealer, you may frame one person a night by planting illegal weapons. (Frame- Causes a person to show up as Mafia to a DT check). The Third Party has 10,000,000 unlaundered Kronos
Do you think that they might have framed themselves? I'm guessing that Amber is red, cause I've thought he's been red for a while, and this just helps confirm that. I think last night, Deconduo might have framed himself because he's one of the last "unconfirmed", so he could use that to claim town.
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On April 06 2011 13:05 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 12:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Actually, looking at what you got returned for arms dealer: You are the Third Party Arms Dealer.You have access to the black market. Your mission is to take control of the black market through any means possible. If you kill the Police Commissioner and Undercover, the black market will be closed and all remaining weapons and money will go to the third party. As an experienced arms dealer, you may frame one person a night by planting illegal weapons. (Frame- Causes a person to show up as Mafia to a DT check). The Third Party has 10,000,000 unlaundered Kronos
Do you think that they might have framed themselves? I'm guessing that Amber is red, cause I've thought he's been red for a while, and this just helps confirm that. I think last night, Deconduo might have framed himself because he's one of the last "unconfirmed", so he could use that to claim town. Why would they frame themselves?
I'm guessing that he knew that he was one of the last "unconfirmed" towns, and so was likely to be checked. Think of it from a black point of view. If you get checked and come back black, you are pretty much a dead man. However, if you get checked and come back as red, when there's already two "confirmed" reds, you can very easily claim that you were framed by mafia, and at the very least, the check is inconclusive. If I were black, why wouldn't I frame myself to exactly avoid a situation like this, where I knew that I was probably going to be checked?
Also, looking back through Deconduo's posts, he claimed "Zombie vet", where if someone tries to kill him, he dies, comes back as a zombie, and kills them instead. If you ask me, that's the perfect cover for a black, where he threatens that if he's hit, the person hitting him will die. Reds would never touch him for fear of being killed, and so would never find out he's black.
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On April 06 2011 12:28 CubEdIn wrote: Because the black market thread says otherwise.
So you're saying that you got the identity of the one that has been framed, yet the ones that have been "framed" returned red to you, and you come up as black to me.
Back to the drawing board imo.
You are the Hacker! You are a master at collecting and analyzing sensitive information! Each night, you may PM me the name of one player, receiving information about their alignment. However, this information will not be revealed to you until you analyze your data by posting in thread ##Analyze, after which you can collect no new information. Due to the shady nature of your work, checks on you have a random chance to return the role of one of the players you have collected information on.
It doesn't say I return what I collected, just one of their roles. I didn't even know what I had collected until I posted in thread and got the information sent to me, I just knew I wasn't the arms dealer.
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I'm just wondering, how did Jackal protect you, when he posted this:
On April 06 2011 11:05 Jackal58 wrote: I checked Wiggles. Well know in moments if I'm alive to share.
Why would he lie after the deadline for actions? That doesn't make much sense, it's not like he could get role blocked or something at that time.
So how did you survive the hit? You're assuming that Jackal protected you, he said otherwise. Are you bullet proof, do you have a vest?
Also, how are you getting hold of a KP? From the Black Market, and process of elimination, you're the Police Chief. So how does the Police Chief suddenly get a killing power this late into the game? You mind sharing your role PM? I think you're probably the only person who hasn't claimed yet.
Also, you're posting pictures of Dexter everywhere. That's probably what's putting me ill-at-ease. It looks like you're taunting everyone.
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Also, Amber/Orgo, which of you are the drug runner and which is the treasurer?
What does the drug runner do? Is he just a framer? Or is he a role blocker? I'm trying to figure out what happened last night.
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Hey reds, you should help screw with town. Lie about everything. :p
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On April 07 2011 07:23 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 06:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Hey reds, you should help screw with town. Lie about everything. :p This makes me feel like you're less town. CubeD, what are your thoughts on the above quote?
I thought general consensus is that I'm black?
I'm just tired of this, because all game, no one's done any analysis except maybe two people. Everything we think we know is completely based on "confirmed" townies, misinformation, and relying on mechanics we know nothing about.
You think the reds aren't going to lie about the RB? I mean, amber just claimed there is no red RB, when the underboss role description SAYS he has RB. I'm making a joke, because of course he's going to lie about everything you ask him, and I can't believe anyone in town would think he'd actually tell the truth. Cubed even just took what he said at face-value as true, before he went back and actually made sure. Town can't be that gullible, or we're going to find a way to lose even now.
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Cubed, I didn't get notified.
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FOS Lanaia.
She's the king. Kings are a kind of playing card. Playing cards are either Red or Black depending on suit. This means Lanaia is either Red or Black. CASE CLOSED!
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm town. I keep saying this but no one's listening, Kav and Decon are fighting to try to make it look like only one of them is Black and the other is Town. In reality though, they're both as Black as a Panther stalking its prey at night during a lunar eclipse. That's how black they are.
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On April 08 2011 03:26 ilovejonn wrote: would i really tell everyone to lynch me if i was red/black? I mean the bandwagon on me that day was only switched because of Cubed's plan, I didn't even tell people to switch off of me, if I'm not sure town to you then I don't know what is lol.
I think you're town. Barring some kind of Black Role based on being lynched and/or vote count.
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On April 08 2011 09:33 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 09:30 GMarshal wrote: [spectral voice] I saw that ban and thought the same thing aidnai, also the night is almost over ^_^ I wonder who will be joining me in the graveyard tonight. [/spectral voice] If i'm coming there you're all my bitches! I gotta find the biggest guy and beat him up first, though.
I thought the same thing. They're talking about at the bottom though, SirSquiggles
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There's a guy called Wiggles88. Expect a deathmatch.
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And you thought you were gonna lynch me. :p
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On April 08 2011 11:10 ilovejonn wrote: oh someone kill me so my bombs can blow up, MY BOMBS DAMN IT, i don't want them to go to waste
Don't worry. :p
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On April 08 2011 11:12 Jackal58 wrote: Dunno how both body guards got offed so fast, Conspiracy?
Reds hit Gmarshal, ask them.
iGrok was breadcrumbing king early. Then chaoser killed king. I decided chaoser was BG and iGrok was king. We decided to hit chaoser. iGrok wasn't king.
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On April 08 2011 11:13 ilovejonn wrote: Bomb1: Kavdragon Bomb2: Kavdragon
DIE DIE DIE
That won't work. Muhahahaha
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Hey, I originally called you the BG, and bought out the Black Market. -.-
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Yeah, there were two confirmed circles for a total of 7 townies as well as the four from IG.
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Also, I had some post where I fake raged at town. That was fake. I'm not actually mad at you for not analyzing. :3
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On April 08 2011 11:22 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 11:21 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, I had some post where I fake raged at town. That was fake. I'm not actually mad at you for not analyzing. :3 It was soo cute! wigglies pmed me and was like, I'm not mad! I'm just faking!! :3
I was thinking of fake rage-quitting and asking the reds to either shoot cubed so I wouldn't die before him, or shoot ILJ so I could just blow up and not get lynched and saying the game was over for town, but decided not to.
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+ Show Spoiler +In Memoriam Brother, rest, thy warfare o'er; Sleep the sleep that knows no breaking; Dream of battlefields no more; Days of danger, nights of waking. In dedication to those we lost along the way: Darmousseh OriginalName We will always remember you. With pictures of cats in top hats and monocles. Thank You.
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Lol, I already did it. :3
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The thing that freaked me out, was tnkted's alignment PM bread crumbs. I starting freaking out, because I had no clue what to do about that. Luckily it was Insane and there were a bunch of different alignments. :p
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More cat with top hats and monocles! The dead people haunting me demand it!
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Post the awards so I can go do my calculus homework.
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Also, lol at my role in spreadsheet: "BM Third Party Arms Dealer"
I'm prolly one of the most mannered people in this thread. :p
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Cause we never told you, did we?
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On April 08 2011 12:21 Coagulation wrote:
Did you get that out of the QT? I had fun, lol-ing at some things.
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On April 09 2011 07:03 Lanaia wrote: Erm, I missed where the blues cheated. What happened?
cubed posted in the Black Market without registering with LSB banking so his name was revealed. We knew he was blue since like day 2 or something. Find Bum's big post, and he says: Scum please don't shoot cubed. That's because we knew he was blue. :p
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On April 09 2011 07:07 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2011 07:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 09 2011 07:03 Lanaia wrote: Erm, I missed where the blues cheated. What happened? cubed posted in the Black Market without registering with LSB banking so his name was revealed. We knew he was blue since like day 2 or something. Find Bum's big post, and he says: Scum please don't shoot cubed. That's because we knew he was blue. :p Gotcha. But that's cheating? In what universe...
I don't know where they said it was cheating. It was against the black Market rules though, and they said you'd be punished if you broke them. His punishment was name revealment.
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Hooray! :p
Me and Kav make a good team, twice now!
Gogo Blacks!
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On April 09 2011 11:12 GMarshal wrote:I still dont see my "most active dead person" award
You got cats with monocles and top hats as your reward. Now back to the nether!!! :p
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This is awesome. I hope you find someone to stream/commentate.
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I want you all... to marvel at my photoshop skills.
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On April 11 2011 23:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: is tnkted megaman?
Maybe. :p
On April 11 2011 15:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: wtf why does LSB look like jesus?
I looked up laughing God and that's the first thing that came up. He was the host, so he is a kind of omniscient and omnipotent being as far as the game was concerned.
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As someone with zero BW knowledge, I'd love to help cast this, lololol.
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On April 12 2011 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: all TvT on BGH no rush 15 min
This would be funny. 15 minutes of filler cast:
"And they're both mining stuff" "And they're making units" "More minerals" "Units" ... "So how's Canada, eh?"
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On April 12 2011 10:21 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 10:18 tnkted wrote:So Myself Rean and Wiggles casting? Shouldn't have more than 3 or so. And iccup may be free but BW cd keys aren't, and I left mine at home when I went to college. I'll just go buy it tomorrow. I've already got a mic and everything, this is gonna be great! I was promised a casting spot. I am dissapoint /shuffles of to cry in a corner
I thought you could cast too? 4 is too much? Is rean casting?
Hilariousness ahead either way.
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On April 18 2011 03:30 tnkted wrote: Do we have a definate stream yet? Rean's been having trouble connecting to the rest of us in BW.
I'll be back home in a few hours, we can figure this out then. Otherwise, if the stream isn't too delayed, we can do some sort of screencapture shit of whoever is hosting to let the rest of the casters be able to cast.
I'm going to try to set up a stream and see if it works.
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