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On February 24 2011 11:25 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 11:18 Jackal58 wrote:then what the heck do you propose we do for the next 24 hours if not analysis? Drink beer and play pinochle. Icemac is on my "scrutinize every word" list. So are the following: Annul GMarshall Gryfindor Wonderful, as long as somone is paying attention town should win Just one thing though, isn't ironic that you are inactive until about 3 minutes after we call you out on being inactive? To me at least that seems somewhat suspicious. I haven't been inactive. And yes I'm paying attention. That only guarantees that I'm paying attention. Smart ass.
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Now I'm going to be inactive. Goodnight guys.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 24 2011 18:33 Barundar wrote:Morning all, as promised I’ve read up and here is my contribution. As a fair warning it’s a wall of text, first is my general comments on the thread so far, last is my analysis. First off, goddammit GMarshal, leaking my top suspect. Can’t you hold it in for 1 night? I wanted to see if he would actually post in the evening as he promised, but the weak FoS gave him a chance to defend himself before I got around to post. Well, at least it proved that Jackal58 has great reaction time, despite not talking much. My thoughts on the thread so far: GMarshals plan is a lot like what RoL has recommended for PM’s, pick out some random people from the list and start talking to them. While you can’t trust them, you get more to analyse, and it’s easier to catch a mafia slipping up if you have more opinions from them. Just be careful with experienced players, and treat your partners like they are scum. If I was on a scumteam, I would tell my inexperienced teammates to stay out of PM land. Gryffindor proposes a really silly (in lack of a better word) plan, there is no way of finding guaranteed innocents with GF and framer around, and even if one such could be found, all mafia has to do is gain his trust and make him spill, =dead blues. The only benefit of mass claim to a confirmed townie is the coordination of medic protection and DT checks. It won’t magicly find mafia amongst the non claimers, or identify fake claims. What gryffindor does do is post a lot, he promotes activity, and he is actually scumhunting. I don’t give much for his lists, but so far his impact has been positive on the town, as long as people don’t stop thinking for themselves. Regarding annul, you should keep in mind that he opposed GMarshals plan before he (allegedly) got his role PM. Hence I would be very careful with lynching him just for opposing that alone. Other than that agree with Foolishness’ comment, it would be funny if LSB got revenge on annul. Why has a decent case on icemac, but not certain if icemac is aggressive townie or mafia. Analysis of Jackal58Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 00:47 Jackal58 wrote: Good day fellow scum hunters. Sorry for the late start but I bowl on Tuesday night. There are quite a few people in this game that I have never seen before so it's going to take me a bit to wrap my head around everything everybody has said so far.
My thoughts on cells: Thoroughly undecided. If their only reason for being is analysis keep it in the thread.
I'm at work right now so I might not be able to post as much as I'd like, but I'll be in here this evening.
gryffindor why on earth would you claim vet? I did it in XXXVI to avoid being lynched but man that was pointless. You're making the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
This post is COMPLETELY out of the ordinary for Jackal. Jackal’s playstyle as town consist of independent opinions, with a tendency to tunnel. His posting style is stubborn and humorous. He rarely posts long posts, and in general just give short statements, but often posts a lot. When he finds scum, he will make it clear for everyone, state his reasons, and keep up pressure on the person. Being stubborn he is very difficult to convince otherwise, once he has found his target(s). In the above post he differs from his usual play as town in a number of ways. Show nested quote +… so it's going to take me a bit to wrap my head around everything everybody has said so far. First of all he gives multiple excuses as to his posting straight away. This is unlike his other games, even in his first game in mafia xxxv he didn’t feel the need to excuse his inexperience without being called out for it. As I said above, Jackal is an independent player, he doesn’t care much if people accuse him, town yells at him or if the things he sais comes off in the wrong way. Him apologising like this upfront, without anyone even calling him out is unusual. If you a read Ver’s guide to improving at mafia, it’s not natural for a green mindset to apologise and appear useless, since it will make other players pay less attention to what they have to say. It is however entirely within the mindset of a mafia, who just want to make a post noone cares about, and let the town fight with itself instead. He apologies for posting less, but in normal games his many first posts are just one liners, this one is a lengthy one for him. By sheer size it should be an improvement for him, but what does it really contain? Show nested quote + My thoughts on cells: Thoroughly undecided. If their only reason for being is analysis keep it in the thread. His thoughts are thoroughly undecided. Why even comment then? If this is the reason he felt the need to add to the conversation, then I sincerely expected more. Jackal as town has very strong opinions, and this is just neutral mentioning – he doesn’t improve the plan, he just questions it. Posting without contributing. Show nested quote + gryffindor why on earth would you claim vet? I did it in XXXVI to avoid being lynched but man that was pointless. You're making the hair on the back of my neck stand up. A weak FoS with a relevant question. On one hand it is sort of an opinion, on the other hand it has been posted before. In Guts and Glory he simply quoted Amber[light]’s post and commented “this post ems of scummyness”. Weak FoS isn’t typical Jackal, even if I wouldn’t rule it out. It’s not much to warrant a post like that from him though. Show nested quote + I'm at work right now so I might not be able to post as much as I'd like, but I'll be in here this evening. He promises to post more in the evening. I was holding this analysis back to see if he actually would. As I said in the beginning, this got ruined, but he didn’t post until he got mentioned, and it still proved his reaction time was good. Note that Jackal has been posting from work in his other games, and it hasn’t stopped him from being active. Other suspicious post: Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote: I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him. But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop. Sharp reaction to getting PM’ed. Jackal had no problem PM’ing with me in mafia xxxv. ##Vote Jackal58 Actually my style is identical to every other game I've played. Not one of them has me aggressively tunneling anybody in the first day or two. I don't do that until I get a line on somebody.
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Oh and my vote is going on gryffindor. I think he's nuts ##VOTE: gryffindor
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On February 24 2011 21:14 Barundar wrote: I might have come off wrongly, but I read your post as a response to mine. You post on alot of the same issues, yet very lightly touched on my case, and presented your own case. I might be worried too much about a diversion, in that case I apologise for jumping the gun.
It's true that Jackal hasn't posted much, and that his first post is by far the substantive part of my argument. But that is beceause that was where he messed up. Mafia aren't going to be suspecious all the way, mafia can contribute or share when they feel it furthers their cause. But his first post set off all the alarms, it contains multiple apologies for not only time, also for "new players" in the game, and it promises more, that wasn't delivered.
I think this is a way better case than random voting inactives, or the most active posters so far, that has gotten into a fight. But I'm not stopping you from doing your own scumhunting. Go ahead and push for me. You'll get a vanilla townie for your efforts. Your sole basis for my lynch is because my first post was more than a one liner and didn't include an FoS????? I haven't tunneled anybody so I'm scum??? Well you want some tunneling here you go. Scum don't like me. Over the course of the last 2 games I've nailed 5 scum in a row. My ability to persuade others is my downfall not my ability to shoot scum in a barrel. Why does Barundar and company want me to go? Because I scare them. They are terrified that if I call them out others may start to listen to me. So how do we keep this from happening they say? How do we prevent him from posting the entire scum team during the first night? We discredit him and lynch his ass on day one. That's how we avoid it they say. I can't wait to read your scum log after this game Barundar. I'll be flattered I received so much attention at the start. Barundar is scum. Gryffindor is a liar. And most certainly scum. GMarshall is most likely scum Deconduo a good probability Icemac a possibility.
I'll be able to add or eliminate people from this as the day goes on but the first two on it are scum.
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On February 24 2011 22:34 Barundar wrote: Yeah I'm terrified of you. If you really do flip green, how do you think that would make me look?
I asked you to defend yourself, if you are town, and your response is a nice OMGUS? What about answering my analysis of your first post? It's not about tunneling, it's about your apologetic tone and lack of contribution. Yes I will push for you if I think you are scum, but you can convince me otherwise if you actually are town. My tone was more explanatory than apologetic. Next time I'll forgo the niceties. Seriously I'm scum because I said "sorry" My post is exactly what it is. Sorry I was bowling. Sorry I don't know a lot of these people so Imma gonna hold off for a bit til I get used to them. Sorry but I'm undecided on the PM circles. That makes me scum????? Bullpuckey.
On February 24 2011 22:35 deconduo wrote:Jackal, you haven't clarified this: + Show Spoiler +On February 24 2011 05:31 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 02:18 Jackal58 wrote:On February 24 2011 02:13 GMarshal wrote:On February 24 2011 02:11 Jackal58 wrote:On February 24 2011 02:00 deconduo wrote:On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote: I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him. But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop. What? If someone manipulates or changes PMs to say what they want that's a scum caught straight away. Also as easy for 2 scum or more to edit and post PMs to kill town While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't think that's an issue right now, even if that did happen, when the townie flipped green we would immediately go after the people who posted the PM I understand that. But if we get in that habit scum will use it to kill us at endgame. Better not doing it at all. So your reasoning is: Two mafia might edit a PM and post it to gang up on a townie to get them lynched in a lylo situation so therefore don't do it at all ever. Anyone who does post a PM is scummy. This is so flawed I don't even know where to begin.... What is your logic behind telling people not to quote or post PMs? It honestly does not make any sense to me. It feels an irrational conclusion to jump to. I did explain it. Go ahead and post PM content. Go ahead and get comfy with it. Go ahead and watch scum use that to destroy town at end game. I think it's a horrid idea.
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On February 24 2011 22:48 gryffindor wrote: Is there a reason you're voting me? Also, if I'm "most certain"ly scum, and you're the "most certain" about me, how come I'm 2nd on your list? Seems like a contradiction. I don't really care that you're voting for me, because I like that you're taking a definitive stance, as opposed to mulling over something halfheartedly - I was against the cells at first, too, when they I was concerned that they would encourage claiming
The thing is, people will claim over time eventually anyways. It doesn't even matter how we go about this. People are either going to PM, or they're not. Noone can make you participate in your cell, but considering your latest posts, perhaps you should take the initiative and PM coagulation. I doubt you will, but it would be a good move for you being pro-town.
The other member of the cell that I list randomized you into would be astroorion. I seriously considered your cell to be the weakest until you posted, and I am quite pleased that you seem competant, relatively speaking. I'm sad you suspect me, but whatever. I'll grow on ya. If Coagulation doesn't step up to the plate in your cell, you need to, because astroorion isn't going to (check the top of this page) Because I think your are borderline insane and a confirmed liar. I don't know why there are votes on anybody else at this juncture.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 23 2011 12:46 gryffindor wrote: I'm a veteran claims to me On February 24 2011 15:20 gryffindor wrote: the HOST actually told me it was a good idea.
On February 24 2011 16:38 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 15:20 gryffindor wrote: the HOST actually told me it was a good idea. I said no such thing. Do not claim that a host said something he didn't. Seriously this isn't tolerated behavior. Unless you show me a PM from either Meapak or myself saying this you are getting a warning. PM me.
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Decon- We'll simply have to agree to disagree on the posting of PM's. I think it's a bad idea. You don't. I'm over it. It's not an issue worth arguing.
I'd like to know why I am the only one concerned about gryffindor and his lie.
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On February 25 2011 01:45 chaoser wrote: Gryffindor:
I don't know if he lied or not. Maybe it was just a misunderstanding in PMs where he thought RoL/MK said something they didn't actually mean. Unless RoL says in thread he 100% lied, I'm going to read it as such. His list, I think, is just him giving into popular sentiment. I don't think it points to him as being red, more like he's seeing that it COULD be beneficial. Let's find out. I don't want to operate under a misconception any more than anybody else does. RoL was already quite clear on the issue. [green]Meapak - Did you have any discussion with Gryffindor that would allow him to make his claim regarding info from the host?[/green]
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Wtf. Green fail.
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On February 25 2011 03:25 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 03:08 LSB wrote:On February 24 2011 19:39 Jackal58 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 24 2011 18:33 Barundar wrote:Morning all, as promised I’ve read up and here is my contribution. As a fair warning it’s a wall of text, first is my general comments on the thread so far, last is my analysis. First off, goddammit GMarshal, leaking my top suspect. Can’t you hold it in for 1 night? I wanted to see if he would actually post in the evening as he promised, but the weak FoS gave him a chance to defend himself before I got around to post. Well, at least it proved that Jackal58 has great reaction time, despite not talking much. My thoughts on the thread so far: GMarshals plan is a lot like what RoL has recommended for PM’s, pick out some random people from the list and start talking to them. While you can’t trust them, you get more to analyse, and it’s easier to catch a mafia slipping up if you have more opinions from them. Just be careful with experienced players, and treat your partners like they are scum. If I was on a scumteam, I would tell my inexperienced teammates to stay out of PM land. Gryffindor proposes a really silly (in lack of a better word) plan, there is no way of finding guaranteed innocents with GF and framer around, and even if one such could be found, all mafia has to do is gain his trust and make him spill, =dead blues. The only benefit of mass claim to a confirmed townie is the coordination of medic protection and DT checks. It won’t magicly find mafia amongst the non claimers, or identify fake claims. What gryffindor does do is post a lot, he promotes activity, and he is actually scumhunting. I don’t give much for his lists, but so far his impact has been positive on the town, as long as people don’t stop thinking for themselves. Regarding annul, you should keep in mind that he opposed GMarshals plan before he (allegedly) got his role PM. Hence I would be very careful with lynching him just for opposing that alone. Other than that agree with Foolishness’ comment, it would be funny if LSB got revenge on annul. Why has a decent case on icemac, but not certain if icemac is aggressive townie or mafia. Analysis of Jackal58Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 00:47 Jackal58 wrote: Good day fellow scum hunters. Sorry for the late start but I bowl on Tuesday night. There are quite a few people in this game that I have never seen before so it's going to take me a bit to wrap my head around everything everybody has said so far.
My thoughts on cells: Thoroughly undecided. If their only reason for being is analysis keep it in the thread.
I'm at work right now so I might not be able to post as much as I'd like, but I'll be in here this evening.
gryffindor why on earth would you claim vet? I did it in XXXVI to avoid being lynched but man that was pointless. You're making the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
This post is COMPLETELY out of the ordinary for Jackal. Jackal’s playstyle as town consist of independent opinions, with a tendency to tunnel. His posting style is stubborn and humorous. He rarely posts long posts, and in general just give short statements, but often posts a lot. When he finds scum, he will make it clear for everyone, state his reasons, and keep up pressure on the person. Being stubborn he is very difficult to convince otherwise, once he has found his target(s). In the above post he differs from his usual play as town in a number of ways. Show nested quote +… so it's going to take me a bit to wrap my head around everything everybody has said so far. First of all he gives multiple excuses as to his posting straight away. This is unlike his other games, even in his first game in mafia xxxv he didn’t feel the need to excuse his inexperience without being called out for it. As I said above, Jackal is an independent player, he doesn’t care much if people accuse him, town yells at him or if the things he sais comes off in the wrong way. Him apologising like this upfront, without anyone even calling him out is unusual. If you a read Ver’s guide to improving at mafia, it’s not natural for a green mindset to apologise and appear useless, since it will make other players pay less attention to what they have to say. It is however entirely within the mindset of a mafia, who just want to make a post noone cares about, and let the town fight with itself instead. He apologies for posting less, but in normal games his many first posts are just one liners, this one is a lengthy one for him. By sheer size it should be an improvement for him, but what does it really contain? Show nested quote + My thoughts on cells: Thoroughly undecided. If their only reason for being is analysis keep it in the thread. His thoughts are thoroughly undecided. Why even comment then? If this is the reason he felt the need to add to the conversation, then I sincerely expected more. Jackal as town has very strong opinions, and this is just neutral mentioning – he doesn’t improve the plan, he just questions it. Posting without contributing. Show nested quote + gryffindor why on earth would you claim vet? I did it in XXXVI to avoid being lynched but man that was pointless. You're making the hair on the back of my neck stand up. A weak FoS with a relevant question. On one hand it is sort of an opinion, on the other hand it has been posted before. In Guts and Glory he simply quoted Amber[light]’s post and commented “this post ems of scummyness”. Weak FoS isn’t typical Jackal, even if I wouldn’t rule it out. It’s not much to warrant a post like that from him though. Show nested quote + I'm at work right now so I might not be able to post as much as I'd like, but I'll be in here this evening. He promises to post more in the evening. I was holding this analysis back to see if he actually would. As I said in the beginning, this got ruined, but he didn’t post until he got mentioned, and it still proved his reaction time was good. Note that Jackal has been posting from work in his other games, and it hasn’t stopped him from being active. Other suspicious post: Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote: I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him. But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop. Sharp reaction to getting PM’ed. Jackal had no problem PM’ing with me in mafia xxxv. ##Vote Jackal58 Actually my style is identical to every other game I've played. Not one of them has me aggressively tunneling anybody in the first day or two. I don't do that until I get a line on somebody. I'm going to have too agree with Jacakl here, Barundar you are reading too much in one post. Sure, it might be useful in RL mafia trying to pick off tells on how people are phrasing things, but in online mafia, it's a whole different game. For example, my first post was apologizing that I wouldn't be active, and I'm town. It's not like that apologizing is necessarily a bad thing. Perhaps I am reading too much into one post. But he isn't doing much to prove me wrong. He puts a nice OMGUS on me, states that I'm part of a scumteam, and then does nothing to scumhunt against me or point out why I would be mafia. He is acting inconsistent with his own scumlist. Problem isn't that he excused himself. Problem is he held an apologetic tone without contributing much. It makes his post suspecious, and I find it interesting that you don't think it is the least suspecious. Now he has shown some agression that can be hard to fake, and is quite typical for him. But he is by no means clear of suspecion just beceause he posts an OMGUS list. Pardon me for apologizing for being late to the party. Well you apparently wanted me to tunnel somebody and you were convenient.
Gryffindor is a confirmed liar. Lynch him. His credibility is destroyed. Even if he is town he is a liability to town.
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On February 25 2011 03:54 chaoser wrote: let's let him explain first When your parents caught you lying what was the first thing you did?
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On February 25 2011 04:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: The discussion of gryffindor ends here. It will be handled through PM's. Do not talk about it anymore. We can't lynch him?????
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On February 25 2011 04:33 gryffindor wrote:OK, listen up guys, this is pitiful the amount of people voting, and the size of the wagons. We only have 5 people(soon to be six on one) on the major wagons, how are we going to properly analyze voting with all of these split votes and cases? We need to consolidate to see who swings late, and start building associative tells based around the flips. I know we will be able to do that through scumhunting, and I have been trying to do that as well, but wagon analysis is key to catching scum associatively. Annul - 6 Gofarman deconduo Ser Aspi LSB astroorion Gryffindor Icemac - 5 why kevonism seraph ICanFlyLow OriginalName People who need to pick one of the above, because their votes are on people with 2 or less: coagulation Jackal58 Barundar Darmousseh chaoser Jbright annul If your name isn't here, I either missed you or you're not voting. I'm sorry, or you're sorry! We've got 7-8 hours, from my recollection. Let's do something about it. People on 1-2 person wagons need to get on either Icemac or Annul. Vote: Annul Reasoning: Bandwagonning, and LSB believing he is scum. I also like the wagon more, excluding astroorion who I feel will probably come off of it due to being Annul's scumbuddy. Sorry dude. My votes staying on you. If you want you can ask CubeD what I'm like when I decide somebody deserves my vote.
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I just saw RoL's second post regarding you Gryff. I'll reconsider my vote.
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If you don't think Annul is scum don't vote for him. Vote off Gryffindors sarcasm.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 25 2011 09:19 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 07:36 LSB wrote:On February 25 2011 05:08 Barundar wrote:On February 25 2011 04:32 LSB wrote:On February 25 2011 03:25 Barundar wrote:On February 25 2011 03:08 LSB wrote:On February 24 2011 19:39 Jackal58 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 24 2011 18:33 Barundar wrote:Morning all, as promised I’ve read up and here is my contribution. As a fair warning it’s a wall of text, first is my general comments on the thread so far, last is my analysis. First off, goddammit GMarshal, leaking my top suspect. Can’t you hold it in for 1 night? I wanted to see if he would actually post in the evening as he promised, but the weak FoS gave him a chance to defend himself before I got around to post. Well, at least it proved that Jackal58 has great reaction time, despite not talking much. My thoughts on the thread so far: GMarshals plan is a lot like what RoL has recommended for PM’s, pick out some random people from the list and start talking to them. While you can’t trust them, you get more to analyse, and it’s easier to catch a mafia slipping up if you have more opinions from them. Just be careful with experienced players, and treat your partners like they are scum. If I was on a scumteam, I would tell my inexperienced teammates to stay out of PM land. Gryffindor proposes a really silly (in lack of a better word) plan, there is no way of finding guaranteed innocents with GF and framer around, and even if one such could be found, all mafia has to do is gain his trust and make him spill, =dead blues. The only benefit of mass claim to a confirmed townie is the coordination of medic protection and DT checks. It won’t magicly find mafia amongst the non claimers, or identify fake claims. What gryffindor does do is post a lot, he promotes activity, and he is actually scumhunting. I don’t give much for his lists, but so far his impact has been positive on the town, as long as people don’t stop thinking for themselves. Regarding annul, you should keep in mind that he opposed GMarshals plan before he (allegedly) got his role PM. Hence I would be very careful with lynching him just for opposing that alone. Other than that agree with Foolishness’ comment, it would be funny if LSB got revenge on annul. Why has a decent case on icemac, but not certain if icemac is aggressive townie or mafia. Analysis of Jackal58Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 00:47 Jackal58 wrote: Good day fellow scum hunters. Sorry for the late start but I bowl on Tuesday night. There are quite a few people in this game that I have never seen before so it's going to take me a bit to wrap my head around everything everybody has said so far.
My thoughts on cells: Thoroughly undecided. If their only reason for being is analysis keep it in the thread.
I'm at work right now so I might not be able to post as much as I'd like, but I'll be in here this evening.
gryffindor why on earth would you claim vet? I did it in XXXVI to avoid being lynched but man that was pointless. You're making the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
This post is COMPLETELY out of the ordinary for Jackal. Jackal’s playstyle as town consist of independent opinions, with a tendency to tunnel. His posting style is stubborn and humorous. He rarely posts long posts, and in general just give short statements, but often posts a lot. When he finds scum, he will make it clear for everyone, state his reasons, and keep up pressure on the person. Being stubborn he is very difficult to convince otherwise, once he has found his target(s). In the above post he differs from his usual play as town in a number of ways. Show nested quote +… so it's going to take me a bit to wrap my head around everything everybody has said so far. First of all he gives multiple excuses as to his posting straight away. This is unlike his other games, even in his first game in mafia xxxv he didn’t feel the need to excuse his inexperience without being called out for it. As I said above, Jackal is an independent player, he doesn’t care much if people accuse him, town yells at him or if the things he sais comes off in the wrong way. Him apologising like this upfront, without anyone even calling him out is unusual. If you a read Ver’s guide to improving at mafia, it’s not natural for a green mindset to apologise and appear useless, since it will make other players pay less attention to what they have to say. It is however entirely within the mindset of a mafia, who just want to make a post noone cares about, and let the town fight with itself instead. He apologies for posting less, but in normal games his many first posts are just one liners, this one is a lengthy one for him. By sheer size it should be an improvement for him, but what does it really contain? Show nested quote + My thoughts on cells: Thoroughly undecided. If their only reason for being is analysis keep it in the thread. His thoughts are thoroughly undecided. Why even comment then? If this is the reason he felt the need to add to the conversation, then I sincerely expected more. Jackal as town has very strong opinions, and this is just neutral mentioning – he doesn’t improve the plan, he just questions it. Posting without contributing. Show nested quote + gryffindor why on earth would you claim vet? I did it in XXXVI to avoid being lynched but man that was pointless. You're making the hair on the back of my neck stand up. A weak FoS with a relevant question. On one hand it is sort of an opinion, on the other hand it has been posted before. In Guts and Glory he simply quoted Amber[light]’s post and commented “this post ems of scummyness”. Weak FoS isn’t typical Jackal, even if I wouldn’t rule it out. It’s not much to warrant a post like that from him though. Show nested quote + I'm at work right now so I might not be able to post as much as I'd like, but I'll be in here this evening. He promises to post more in the evening. I was holding this analysis back to see if he actually would. As I said in the beginning, this got ruined, but he didn’t post until he got mentioned, and it still proved his reaction time was good. Note that Jackal has been posting from work in his other games, and it hasn’t stopped him from being active. Other suspicious post: Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote: I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him. But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop. Sharp reaction to getting PM’ed. Jackal had no problem PM’ing with me in mafia xxxv. ##Vote Jackal58 Actually my style is identical to every other game I've played. Not one of them has me aggressively tunneling anybody in the first day or two. I don't do that until I get a line on somebody. I'm going to have too agree with Jacakl here, Barundar you are reading too much in one post. Sure, it might be useful in RL mafia trying to pick off tells on how people are phrasing things, but in online mafia, it's a whole different game. For example, my first post was apologizing that I wouldn't be active, and I'm town. It's not like that apologizing is necessarily a bad thing. Perhaps I am reading too much into one post. But he isn't doing much to prove me wrong. He puts a nice OMGUS on me, states that I'm part of a scumteam, and then does nothing to scumhunt against me or point out why I would be mafia. He is acting inconsistent with his own scumlist. Problem isn't that he excused himself. Problem is he held an apologetic tone without contributing much. It makes his post suspecious, and I find it interesting that you don't think it is the least suspecious. Now he has shown some agression that can be hard to fake, and is quite typical for him. But he is by no means clear of suspecion just beceause he posts an OMGUS list. I don't find him suspicions because that's how he plays. Jackel58 is known to post an OMGUS list with little/no explanation, but he is scary accurate on the scum. Look at Guts and Glory. Jackel didn't really do much in the game but name 4 people. Of the 4 people, 3 were scum. If we are going to lynch Jackal, it can't just because of a "maybe" or a "tell". I want proof. Lol when did Jackal become gods gift to scumhunt? He sheeped after Coag onto GGQ in that game, messing up the Amber lynch. He also had me pegged as mafia in a post. In mini mafia V he tunneled pandain so hard he nearly lost the game for town alone. I wrote Jackal's playstyle into my post. I don't see you disagreeing with what I wrote there? I also explained why his first post differed from that. What I am saying is that Jackal wrote two kinds of posts this game. The first is just an apology that he's going to be busy. This is very standard. And the second is his normal fair, not explaining much. The problem is your argument is this. 1) Jackal isn't posting as usual, so he must be mafia 2) Jackal is posting as usual, so he must be mafia. You are going to have to pick one of the two. You can't argue both. As for Jackal58 having good hunches, iirc he wasn't too far off the mark in midgame XXXVI But you want "proof". Can you hand me the proof for annul so I can vote him then? Look to the post I just did Yeah I'm looking at it. I fully expected to be linked to an increminating post of his, but instead I got linked to your post, where his reasons are actually listed and you disagreeing with him. Show nested quote +Storytime! Why Annul was an easy read in XXXV 1) He mad up stuff and pushed stuff that didn't exist Check, this game he's pushing GMarshal, saying GMarshal is clear mafia, although there is literally nothing in his accusation 2) Besides responses, he posted nothing else Look at Annul's posts. How many of his posts deal with things other than Gmarshal or defending himself? I can't find any. A storytime? Thats your example of proof? I see a weak case, and absolutely no opposition to lynching annul, despite him being far ahead, and noone really taking responsability for pushing it. Weak case and no opposition=townie from my experience. There is not even a serius alternative at this point. Of course there is an alternative. Grffandor. He lied. His first post was "I'm Veteran claim to me" He's nuts and a liar. Either way he flips it's a plus for town.
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2 hours til lynch and you guys all shut up. Wtf.
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On February 25 2011 10:12 Foolishness wrote: Taking vote off of annul; purposed served.
##unvote annul ##vote seraph And what purpose was that Mr. "I'll show up when I want and if you call me on it I'll get you lynched"?
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