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kitaman27
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On January 30 2011 16:55 d3_crescentia wrote: Sorry for crapping out on you guys, but when my crap is full of blood I think my priorities should be elsewhere. Thanks mafia for killing me; one less thing to worry about. GL town.
At least you were a tasty meal!
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By the way, is anyone going to claim taking the hit? Unless the mafia had only 1 kp from the start, there shouldn't have been a kp reduction last night if kavdragon speaks the truth about the mafia count. It is kinda unsettling that the mafia hasn't attempted to cast doubt upon our mayor. Well, besides bum.
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kitaman27
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On January 30 2011 17:32 Coagulation wrote: if you dont want to vote jackal at least vote for beneather.
So now cube, zerroth, jackal, and beneather are scum?
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kitaman27
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On January 30 2011 17:49 Coagulation wrote: Yep
theres room for 1 more
Didnt you vote off ROL?
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Pretty impressive that you can nail the entire team. Maybe I did vote ROL, but at least I committed to my vote rather than abstaining.
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kitaman27
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Another possibility is that the mafia doubled up on their hit. I'm not sure if that would reduce the clues against them or not. If you were hit, you should claim. Not saying anything makes the mafia think you are a SK, which will probably end up getting you lynched down the line.
Here is another look at the clues against Nemesis.
Nemesis Lee Young Ho fighting! (flash)
Nemesis Steel is my body
On January 30 2011 11:11 Node wrote: flashes of steel rising
On January 27 2011 11:01 Node wrote: And then the flash of steel from real guns
Flash of steel is repeated twice in the post. I doubt the mods would purposely repeated a clue we were discussing if it was a red herring.
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Some nights I thirst for real blood For real knives For real cries And then the flash of steel from real guns In real life Really fills my mind
Reality Marble reference in profile
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Nemesis I have created over a thousand blades. So as I pray, 'Unlimited Blade Works'."
Wikipedia reference of "unlimited blade works" allowing Archer to reconstruct any bladed weapon merely by seeing it. Furthermore, his tracing allows him to inherit the combat skills of those who previously used his weapon, granting him instant proficiency with whatever he traces.
On January 30 2011 11:11 Node wrote: The man masterfully handled his instruments, hands moving at a blur, flashes of steel rising and falling, leaving perfectly sized morsels behind.
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On January 27 2011 11:01 Node wrote: only a hand-length away...
Nemesis Yet, these hands will never hold anything.
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Nemesis Unknown to death. Nor known to life.
On January 30 2011 11:11 Node wrote: We never found the chef afterwards.
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I'm not sure how "Steel" and "black" are harder evidence against jackal than all these are against nemesis.
Now take a look at the series of events it took to save Nemesis the previous lynch:
On January 29 2011 10:28 Coagulation wrote: ##unvote Nemesis
##Vote zerroth
On January 29 2011 11:20 Nemesis wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote RebirthofLegend
On January 29 2011 11:31 CubEdIn wrote: ##unvote Nemesis ##Vote CubEdIn
On January 29 2011 11:51 darmousseh wrote: ##Unvote nemesis ##Vote RebirthofLegend
Three votes came off him right before the end to barely save him. If Nemesis was green, wouldn't the mafia continue to push his case, rather than give him a free pass for the day?
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kitaman27
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On January 31 2011 06:19 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 06:16 GMarshal wrote: My apologies for disappearing for almost two days, my computer was broken and I was unable to get online, (on the bright side, new graphics card an ram), I'll catch up with the thread ASAP, but for now I wanted to point out that I was saved from a hit last night. That is all until I catch up with the thread Lol, and the missing hit finally shows up.
And possibly the reason the SK hit wasn't sent in :p
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On January 31 2011 08:42 Nemesis wrote: I'm not even going to bother arguing anymore as I think it is pretty obvious you are red at this point.
It's time to discuss next day's target then, while waiting for jackal to be lynched.
Getting a bit ahead of ourselves, aren't we?
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kitaman27
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On January 31 2011 11:19 bumatlarge wrote: Nemesis: I still think he's an SK. But it's just usually lurker posting and these clues that make me think so. Now hes a lot more active with his name in the light, which isnt a good comparison for his sake. If we want to drop the KP to a greater extent, he's the way to go. If we are looking for mafia, he's too self-oriented to really plop a scum sticker on.
I find it hard to believe that a town could so readily differentiate between a mafia and SK. Both will lurk and the clues won't tell the difference. Calling someone a SK is more of a mafia tactic to either cast suspicion upon a town or divert the lynch from one of their own. If your vote is on jackal based on the fact that he is not a bodyguard, then why not go against someone you are pretty sure is anti-town in Nemesis.
On January 31 2011 11:31 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 11:29 Kenpachi wrote: you could still be SK from what your saying o_O Nemesis is the sk I'm blue.
Err, another blue claim? Guess it already worked for Coag since he is still around. (Shouldn't have have gotten popped during the night?)
Since you are already claiming, would going into role specifics be something that could save you?
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On January 31 2011 11:55 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 11:53 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 11:46 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:42 kitaman27 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:19 bumatlarge wrote: Nemesis: I still think he's an SK. But it's just usually lurker posting and these clues that make me think so. Now hes a lot more active with his name in the light, which isnt a good comparison for his sake. If we want to drop the KP to a greater extent, he's the way to go. If we are looking for mafia, he's too self-oriented to really plop a scum sticker on. I find it hard to believe that a town could so readily differentiate between a mafia and SK. Both will lurk and the clues won't tell the difference. Calling someone a SK is more of a mafia tactic to either cast suspicion upon a town or divert the lynch from one of their own. If your vote is on jackal based on the fact that he is not a bodyguard, then why not go against someone you are pretty sure is anti-town in Nemesis. On January 31 2011 11:31 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:29 Kenpachi wrote: you could still be SK from what your saying o_O Nemesis is the sk I'm blue. Err, another blue claim? Guess it already worked for Coag since he is still around. (Shouldn't have have gotten popped during the night?) Since you are already claiming, would going into role specifics be something that could save you? Clues fit Nemesis. Nobody defended him on day 1. Ergo SK I'm Veteran. But you won't know that til I'm dead. What you will know is I'm town when the next census comes back 5. The only thing blue on Coag is his balls. If you are a veteran, then you are the worst veteran ever. Vet's job is to take hits, and with your spammy posting which does not contribute anything, there was no way in hell you are going to take hits. Nice blue claim to try and save your ass. I'm not responding to you anymore scum.
Can you display in some way what strategy you used to try and draw a hit?
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kitaman27
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On January 31 2011 12:32 LunarDestiny wrote: I am going to analyze LSB, the inspector here.
We know Mini Mafia V starts after XXXVI.
Lets say, Jackal IS mafia. Do you think LSB will be "HERP DERP. Lets make him mafia in my game as well."
I do not think so.
Scum teams are RNG o.O
On January 31 2011 12:26 Kavdragon wrote: There is a bandwagon on Jackal. Almost no one else has votes on them. Doesn't this raise flags for anyone?
Still 24 hours remaining. Any suggestions for alternate candidates?
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kitaman27
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On January 31 2011 12:39 Impervious wrote: It's raising red flags to me as well.....
Options are Nemesis and Jackal atm, because of the clues. Beneather is a bodyguard, so we really shouldn't be lynching him yet, regardless of his role.....
Unless I've missed something.....
Why not lynch one now, and get the other tomorrow?
If it raises red flags, why would you want both lynched? That doesn't make sense.
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kitaman27
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On January 31 2011 13:17 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 13:14 Coagulation wrote:On January 31 2011 13:09 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 12:26 Kavdragon wrote: There is a bandwagon on Jackal. Almost no one else has votes on them. Doesn't this raise flags for anyone? It's obvious that none of his teammates will risk themselves to defend him at this point. The best they can probably do is subtly try to divert the lynch to someone else. your like being 1000x times more aggressive than a townie who was like 1 vote away from getting lynched yesterday. That was because I had no clear suspect last day phase, but now I do.
Why wasn't jackal a suspect last day phase? Steel was a clue in the day 2 post, its not like its new.
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kitaman27
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On January 31 2011 13:23 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 13:19 kitaman27 wrote:On January 31 2011 13:17 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 13:14 Coagulation wrote:On January 31 2011 13:09 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 12:26 Kavdragon wrote: There is a bandwagon on Jackal. Almost no one else has votes on them. Doesn't this raise flags for anyone? It's obvious that none of his teammates will risk themselves to defend him at this point. The best they can probably do is subtly try to divert the lynch to someone else. your like being 1000x times more aggressive than a townie who was like 1 vote away from getting lynched yesterday. That was because I had no clear suspect last day phase, but now I do. Why wasn't jackal a suspect last day phase? Steel was a clue in the day 2 post, its not like its new. 1. I wasn't really paying attention to jackal last day phase. And I haven't analyzed him until now. 2. I don't really rely on clues if you've been keeping up with my post. I rather prefer on good old behavioral analysis. I think that clues should only be used as a support argument, but not the main argument to use to lynch someone.
Well I guess what I'm asking is what triggered you to pay attention to him today, when he was not a suspect the day before. What was the behavioral difference between day two and day three?
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kitaman27
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On February 01 2011 03:01 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 02:53 deconduo wrote: Pretty confident he's scum, clues fit well and he had motive to kill d3. Its possible that d3 fingered a large portion of the mafia team, which would be the reason they killed him off. Theres not a whole lot of other reasons for it.
Looking back at d3's list of suspects: Nemesis Darmousseh Beneather kitaman27 Eti307 LunarDestiny GMarshal
Of these I think Nemesis and Beneather are certain mafia. Lunar is high up on the list as well, he completely ingored beneather as a possibility for the dog meat clue and tunnelled me instead. Probably trying to divert attention from beneather.
Its hard to ignore the connections to the mayor as well, the 2 picked bodyguards and one of the biggest campaigners for him.
My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum.
:X Thats pretty ballsy. I think if both BGs were scum and mayor was not... wouldnt he be dead already? Well perhaps it might be better to wait for one to die... Still using a vig on the chance TWO people might be scum is a little risky. Better off lynching the more incriminated one, and seeing what he flips.
We also have to consider the fact that GMarshal claims to have taken a hit last night. So for GMarshal to be scum, either a SK would have had to hit him, which is unlikely since the SK hit wasn't sent in or GMarshal is lying about being hit, which would mean a kp is still uncounted for.
Alternately, a vig could shoot jackal. If he lives then his vet claim is confirmed, if he dies then he is probably lying. We could still run into a situation where jackal claims to take a hit or a scumbuddy fake claims as vig, which would present problems to this plan.
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kitaman27
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On February 01 2011 05:10 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 04:53 Barundar wrote:On February 01 2011 04:30 Kavdragon wrote: Also, I only implied this in that post, but I think that the mafia are busing Beneather so they can kill me. And I think you are being paranoid. I have been suspecious of Beneather since his first real post, and now there is even clues to back it up. It seems like there is too strong of a resistance to push for a lynch now though, so I will try tomorrow instead. But if you are town, don't just discard him beceause you picked him as BG. Sorry, I didn't mean that they were busing him, JUST to get at me. I agree that Beneather is scummy looking, and I think that the rest of the town is too, so it's not much of a loss to bus him. I would like to know what the town thinks of my theory of the night actions, because If I'm right, then the clues are about the SK and a Vig. NOT mafia.
I'm not sure I follow. Do you have additional information we do not? What would make you think the second hit is a vig?
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kitaman27
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Another thing to think about is do we believe that our day one lynch ON was scum? In a 31 man set-up, 6 scum wouldn't be unreasonable. If so, then there were several people who defended him to some extent before the lynch.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 25 2011 12:17 papapanda wrote: my thoughts are the first day clues are just an example of how the clue would be like for new players(like me:D) and are pointing towards people outside the game(like Qatol, LSB, Node...etc) In other words, not really relevent to ON? On January 25 2011 12:52 bumatlarge wrote: Day1 clues are always very general and abstract. I'd be very surprised if everything you are pinning on ON is actually all real clues On January 25 2011 13:02 Nemesis wrote: It's day 1, and I would rather not talk about clues. Clues are rather vague until we get the hang of it. It is just derailing the thread here.
Another thing that hasn't been brought up in a while was the day one clue for god that was in Italian. The fact that the mafia hasn't pushed that clue might mean it points to a scum.
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kitaman27
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Quick look at voting trends:
RebirthOfLeGenD: 7 Beneather bumatlarge LunarDestiny kitaman27 Eti307 Nemesis darmousseh
Jackal58: 9 Nemesis Beneather zerroth darmousseh Eti307 BrownBear bumatlarge Divinek GMarshal
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kitaman27
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Roethlisberger has far more entertaining references than Steel, like maybe Motorcycles or sexual assault :p
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kitaman27
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On February 01 2011 10:52 Coagulation wrote: if nemesis was actually town he would have roleclaimed at this point.
He already claimed green I believe.
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kitaman27
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I say check mafia again. Anything other than that would be pretty suspicious.
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