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On January 31 2011 13:14 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 13:09 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 12:26 Kavdragon wrote: There is a bandwagon on Jackal. Almost no one else has votes on them. Doesn't this raise flags for anyone? It's obvious that none of his teammates will risk themselves to defend him at this point. The best they can probably do is subtly try to divert the lynch to someone else. your like being 1000x times more aggressive than a townie who was like 1 vote away from getting lynched yesterday. That was because I had no clear suspect last day phase, but now I do.
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On January 31 2011 13:19 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 13:17 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 13:14 Coagulation wrote:On January 31 2011 13:09 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 12:26 Kavdragon wrote: There is a bandwagon on Jackal. Almost no one else has votes on them. Doesn't this raise flags for anyone? It's obvious that none of his teammates will risk themselves to defend him at this point. The best they can probably do is subtly try to divert the lynch to someone else. your like being 1000x times more aggressive than a townie who was like 1 vote away from getting lynched yesterday. That was because I had no clear suspect last day phase, but now I do. Why wasn't jackal a suspect last day phase? Steel was a clue in the day 2 post, its not like its new. 1. I wasn't really paying attention to jackal last day phase. And I haven't analyzed him until now. 2. I don't really rely on clues if you've been keeping up with my post. I rather prefer on good old behavioral analysis. I think that clues should only be used as a support argument, but not the main argument to use to lynch someone.
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On January 31 2011 13:33 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 13:23 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 13:19 kitaman27 wrote:On January 31 2011 13:17 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 13:14 Coagulation wrote:On January 31 2011 13:09 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 12:26 Kavdragon wrote: There is a bandwagon on Jackal. Almost no one else has votes on them. Doesn't this raise flags for anyone? It's obvious that none of his teammates will risk themselves to defend him at this point. The best they can probably do is subtly try to divert the lynch to someone else. your like being 1000x times more aggressive than a townie who was like 1 vote away from getting lynched yesterday. That was because I had no clear suspect last day phase, but now I do. Why wasn't jackal a suspect last day phase? Steel was a clue in the day 2 post, its not like its new. 1. I wasn't really paying attention to jackal last day phase. And I haven't analyzed him until now. 2. I don't really rely on clues if you've been keeping up with my post. I rather prefer on good old behavioral analysis. I think that clues should only be used as a support argument, but not the main argument to use to lynch someone. Well I guess what I'm asking is what triggered you to pay attention to him today, when he was not a suspect the day before. What was the behavioral difference between day two and day three? I can't keep track of everyone's post obviously, and just happened to look at his posting history now.
What made me look at his post history is his bandwagon vote on me day 2 and day 3 without any explanation whatsover if that is what you are asking.
Kavdragon, although you have explained why you think that jackal is scum, you haven't exactly explained why you think I'm scum.
Well, it's late and I have classes early tomorrow so I'm going to sleep now.
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On January 31 2011 13:55 Kavdragon wrote: Personally, despite the fact that Jackal has acted a bit scummy, and despite that I think that the clues are a little stronger, Nemesis looks like a better lynch to me.
I defended him yesterday because of his posting history, but what transpired when the votes started coming down was MUCH more suspicious than what happened with Jackal. I don't think that either are ideal lynch candidates, but it's not an ideal world.
Well then, why don't you provide an ideal lynch candidates?
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On January 31 2011 13:10 Coagulation wrote: I think we should go back to putting pressure on nemesis. When nemesis was on the block. I remember alot of people scrambling to incriminate other people.
I don't know where you see this. Looking back at the part where I was barely saved, it was just a few people saying they think I'm innocent including you. No one was scrambling trying to incriminate other people.
Why the hell is town tunneling so badly on me that they can't even get their arguments straight? -.-
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Did everyone else miss this?
On January 31 2011 12:17 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 12:13 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 12:11 Divinek wrote:On January 31 2011 12:00 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:58 kitaman27 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:55 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:53 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 11:46 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:42 kitaman27 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:19 bumatlarge wrote: Nemesis: I still think he's an SK. But it's just usually lurker posting and these clues that make me think so. Now hes a lot more active with his name in the light, which isnt a good comparison for his sake. If we want to drop the KP to a greater extent, he's the way to go. If we are looking for mafia, he's too self-oriented to really plop a scum sticker on. I find it hard to believe that a town could so readily differentiate between a mafia and SK. Both will lurk and the clues won't tell the difference. Calling someone a SK is more of a mafia tactic to either cast suspicion upon a town or divert the lynch from one of their own. If your vote is on jackal based on the fact that he is not a bodyguard, then why not go against someone you are pretty sure is anti-town in Nemesis. On January 31 2011 11:31 Jackal58 wrote: [quote] Nemesis is the sk I'm blue. Err, another blue claim? Guess it already worked for Coag since he is still around. (Shouldn't have have gotten popped during the night?) Since you are already claiming, would going into role specifics be something that could save you? Clues fit Nemesis. Nobody defended him on day 1. Ergo SK I'm Veteran. But you won't know that til I'm dead. What you will know is I'm town when the next census comes back 5. The only thing blue on Coag is his balls. If you are a veteran, then you are the worst veteran ever. Vet's job is to take hits, and with your spammy posting which does not contribute anything, there was no way in hell you are going to take hits. Nice blue claim to try and save your ass. I'm not responding to you anymore scum. Can you display in some way what strategy you used to try and draw a hit? No I can't I haven't attempted to get hit. then why would you claim your role -_- it defeats the entire purpose of it Because that option never occurred to me. I'm new at this and have a wicked habit of dying night one. First time I was something other than a vanilla townie. It seems to me someone who actually had the role of veteran would take the few seconds back to understand the purpose of their role(in reality they'd probably think about it alot since y'know it's their role). So that seems to leave you as being the person who is not actually a veteran Yes, jackal just claimed vet.
On January 31 2011 11:53 Nemesis wrote: If you are a veteran, then you are the worst veteran ever. Vet's job is to take hits, and with your spammy posting which does not contribute anything, there was no way in hell you are going to take hits.
Nice blue claim to try and save your ass.
Let me just sum up the case against me so far: Day 2: - clues - bum's analysis on me which somehow proves I'm SK. Although I would agree that bum's analysis was pretty good, I don't see how that leads to the conclusion that I am SK. - "I think all the other lynch candidates are town, so I'm going to leave my vote on Nemesis even though I'm not sure he's scum" Day 3: - all of the above - he somehow survived the last day's lynch so he must be scum
Do you really think those are strong arguments to lynch someone? :/
You know what I'll make it easy for you guys even though you don't even have a coherent case against me. If you believe jackal's vet claim, then vote for whoever you like, but if you don't believe his claim, then lynch jackal.
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On February 01 2011 02:53 deconduo wrote: Pretty confident he's scum, clues fit well and he had motive to kill d3. Its possible that d3 fingered a large portion of the mafia team, which would be the reason they killed him off. Theres not a whole lot of other reasons for it.
Looking back at d3's list of suspects: Nemesis Darmousseh Beneather kitaman27 Eti307 LunarDestiny GMarshal
Of these I think Nemesis and Beneather are certain mafia. Lunar is high up on the list as well, he completely ingored beneather as a possibility for the dog meat clue and tunnelled me instead. Probably trying to divert attention from beneather.
Its hard to ignore the connections to the mayor as well, the 2 picked bodyguards and one of the biggest campaigners for him.
My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum.
You have some nice WIFOM there as your argument. Not a whole lot of reason to take out d3 other than he pointed scum? No one was even following d3's list at the time, and I doubt they anyone would follow it with how inactive he has been. Can't think of any other reason why mafia would kill d3? How about doing what you are doing now and framing the people he suspected?
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On February 01 2011 03:13 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 03:06 Nemesis wrote:On February 01 2011 02:53 deconduo wrote: Pretty confident he's scum, clues fit well and he had motive to kill d3. Its possible that d3 fingered a large portion of the mafia team, which would be the reason they killed him off. Theres not a whole lot of other reasons for it.
Looking back at d3's list of suspects: Nemesis Darmousseh Beneather kitaman27 Eti307 LunarDestiny GMarshal
Of these I think Nemesis and Beneather are certain mafia. Lunar is high up on the list as well, he completely ingored beneather as a possibility for the dog meat clue and tunnelled me instead. Probably trying to divert attention from beneather.
Its hard to ignore the connections to the mayor as well, the 2 picked bodyguards and one of the biggest campaigners for him.
My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum.
You have some nice WIFOM there as your argument. Not a whole lot of reason to take out d3 other than he pointed scum? No one was even following d3's list at the time, and I doubt they anyone would follow it with how inactive he has been. Can't think of any other reason why mafia would kill d3? How about doing what you are doing now and framing the people he suspected? -In what way is that WIFOM? Its a pretty good idea to kill off someone who suspects your entire team. Obviously theres no proof of that being the reason he was killed, but its a good theory imo. On the other hand, your argument is WIFOM. -Nice chainsaw defense of beneather, I like how you completely ignored all the clues against him. I wasn't defending beneather, I was attacking your bad logic, and as I said before I don't care too much about clues. Yes, I know what I said is WIFOM, but what you said is also WIFOM, and I am pointing that out to you. I have just showed you how it is WIFOM by creating a probable scenario which contradicts your WIFOM situation.
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On February 01 2011 02:53 deconduo wrote: Pretty confident he's scum, clues fit well and he had motive to kill d3. Its possible that d3 fingered a large portion of the mafia team, which would be the reason they killed him off. Theres not a whole lot of other reasons for it.
Looking back at d3's list of suspects: Nemesis Darmousseh Beneather kitaman27 Eti307 LunarDestiny GMarshal
Of these I think Nemesis and Beneather are certain mafia. Lunar is high up on the list as well, he completely ingored beneather as a possibility for the dog meat clue and tunnelled me instead. Probably trying to divert attention from beneather.
Its hard to ignore the connections to the mayor as well, the 2 picked bodyguards and one of the biggest campaigners for him.
My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum.
Ok a few things bother me about this post. 1. Completely no mention of jackal...trying to save your scumbuddy here? 2. Killing town's census over a WIFOM argument over speculations on d3's death. Ace has mentioned it before in TMM3 when aidnai mislynched in LYLO because of speculating on why mafia would fakeclaim being roleblocked, "You don't know what mafia knows" so you shouldn't speculate too much on what they might do. 3. And in his post after, I don't see how you jumped to the conclusion that I was defending beneather when I was clearly at the top of your list. The obvious conclusion would be I'm defending myself. Trying too hard to connect factions here?
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If you want to suggest killing Mayor, you better give something better than d3 pointed to kavdragon. Actually make a case against him.
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On January 31 2011 21:59 Nemesis wrote:Did everyone else miss this? Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 12:17 Divinek wrote:On January 31 2011 12:13 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 12:11 Divinek wrote:On January 31 2011 12:00 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:58 kitaman27 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:55 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:53 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 11:46 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:42 kitaman27 wrote: [quote]
I find it hard to believe that a town could so readily differentiate between a mafia and SK. Both will lurk and the clues won't tell the difference. Calling someone a SK is more of a mafia tactic to either cast suspicion upon a town or divert the lynch from one of their own. If your vote is on jackal based on the fact that he is not a bodyguard, then why not go against someone you are pretty sure is anti-town in Nemesis.
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Err, another blue claim? Guess it already worked for Coag since he is still around. (Shouldn't have have gotten popped during the night?)
Since you are already claiming, would going into role specifics be something that could save you? Clues fit Nemesis. Nobody defended him on day 1. Ergo SK I'm Veteran. But you won't know that til I'm dead. What you will know is I'm town when the next census comes back 5. The only thing blue on Coag is his balls. If you are a veteran, then you are the worst veteran ever. Vet's job is to take hits, and with your spammy posting which does not contribute anything, there was no way in hell you are going to take hits. Nice blue claim to try and save your ass. I'm not responding to you anymore scum. Can you display in some way what strategy you used to try and draw a hit? No I can't I haven't attempted to get hit. then why would you claim your role -_- it defeats the entire purpose of it Because that option never occurred to me. I'm new at this and have a wicked habit of dying night one. First time I was something other than a vanilla townie. It seems to me someone who actually had the role of veteran would take the few seconds back to understand the purpose of their role(in reality they'd probably think about it alot since y'know it's their role). So that seems to leave you as being the person who is not actually a veteran Yes, jackal just claimed vet. Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 11:53 Nemesis wrote: If you are a veteran, then you are the worst veteran ever. Vet's job is to take hits, and with your spammy posting which does not contribute anything, there was no way in hell you are going to take hits.
Nice blue claim to try and save your ass. Let me just sum up the case against me so far: Day 2: - clues - bum's analysis on me which somehow proves I'm SK. Although I would agree that bum's analysis was pretty good, I don't see how that leads to the conclusion that I am SK. - "I think all the other lynch candidates are town, so I'm going to leave my vote on Nemesis even though I'm not sure he's scum" Day 3: - all of the above - he somehow survived the last day's lynch so he must be scum Do you really think those are strong arguments to lynch someone? :/ You know what I'll make it easy for you guys even though you don't even have a coherent case against me. If you believe jackal's vet claim, then vote for whoever you like, but if you don't believe his claim, then lynch jackal. Did everyone miss this or does everyone really believe jackal's claim?
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Bzzzz, you guys are too preoccupied with clues. Gratz to another mislynch.
Forget all my other suspects before, here are my new list: jackal - I think I've already outlined my case against him several times. deconduo - he has like 10 post TOTAL in this game. what? He has been pretty useless if he is town this game, but I think he is mafia with the way he's been trying to get me lynched and defending jackal. Note: he did not even give an opinion on jackal kav - I think that kav is town, but he needs to step up his game. If you think that town is heading in the wrong direction, then POINT them to the right direction. Don't be so passive. "I don't have a case against impervious so I'm just bandwagoning with town" That attitude really bothers me. Find another target then, do some analysis. You have done shit this game except for having census power. Coag - is town, but he is an idiot as usual
Coag, I already roleclaimed last day -_-
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On February 01 2011 10:55 LSB wrote: Node Node Node! You have to use my night post! What, is town going to cook me and eat me? :X
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